Thomas the Tank Engine Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The man hired by the city of New Orleans to remove four Confederate statues has had his 2014 Lamborghini Huracan set on fire and reduced to rubble. According to authorities in Baton Rouge, the St. George Fire Department found the $200,000 vehicle ablaze early Tuesday morning behind David Mahler's company, H&O Investments, LLC. The city announced a few days ago it had hired Mahler to remove the monuments, which symbolize Confederate history. The car's tire rims and seat frames are the only things suggesting that it had once been a luxury ride. "This is just a possession and can always be replaced, but someone has something to say to us," Mahler’s wife wrote on Facebook Tuesday. New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu called for taking down the statues after the racially motivated massacre of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, last summer. The monuments memorialize civil war figures P.G.T. Beauregard, Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. The fourth is an obelisk dedicated to the Battle of Liberty Place. Read the rest: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/confederate-monuments-new-orleans_us_569f9ec2e4b0fca5ba760b0f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JHBrown Subscriber¹ Posted January 21, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted January 21, 2016 Business must be good for the statue remover. A $200,000 Lambo? Anyhow, we Americans continue to embarrass ourselves, and look like fools to the rest of the world. It's great to see we've progressed as a nation. /s SecretAgentMan, Ph1b3r0pt1c, Stoffel and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 good to see that racism is still strong in the south. Ph1b3r0pt1c, SecretAgentMan, Dick Montage and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 32 minutes ago, wakjak said: good to see that racism is still strong in the south. This has nothing to do with racism. To be perfectly frank, this is a defacing of history. Removing a flag was one thing, but removing memorials? This is getting very dicey. Just because we don't agree with history doesn't mean we wipe it off the face of the earth. These monuments stand as a testament to the hardships and internal struggles of United States history. How we got to where we are, where we came from, however you want to put it. We've become so intolerant of intolerance, we are beginning to erase all record of human progress. +John Teacake, Ph1b3r0pt1c, pqt and 12 others 15 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Emn1ty said: This has nothing to do with racism. To be perfectly frank, this is a defacing of history. Removing a flag was one thing, but removing memorials? This is getting very dicey. Just because we don't agree with history doesn't mean we wipe it off the face of the earth. These monuments stand as a testament to the hardships and internal struggles of United States history. How we got to where we are, where we came from, however you want to put it. We've become so intolerant of intolerance, we are beginning to erase all record of human progress. exactly, fools that ignore history will be doomed to repeat it. I was born in Eu, and partially raised in Eu, and finished High School In USA, American history books are a joke, a lot of stuff is either not mentioned and "changed" to not anger people. Its a total joke what this country is doing. psmoked 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abecedarian paradoxious Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 2 hours ago, JHBrown said: Business must be good for the statue remover. A $200,000 Lambo? Anyhow, we Americans continue to embarrass ourselves, and look like fools to the rest of the world. It's great to see we've progressed as a nation. /s Yep. We've progressed to the point where damaging someone else's personal property is justified solely by emotional responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimefighter Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Idiots and cowards... You NEVER touch a man's car. pqt, User6060, Draggendrop and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted January 21, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted January 21, 2016 So was it liberals that torched his car for being rich enough to afford one or was it conservatives for supporting history denialism and regressive left ideology? psmoked and xrobwx71 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.i.b.b.s Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I read the entire Huffo piece and NO where did I read that the vandalism and removal of statues were in any way related. I'm not saying they weren't but defacing luxury cars for reasons besides statue removal such as arson, theft, jealousy, greed is pretty common. js. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domboy Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Emn1ty said: I am really curious where this kind of thinking disappeared to. Indeed. I guess in our time we are being taught to take offense at everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Just now, domboy said: Indeed. I guess in our time we are being taught to take offense at everything. Indeed, even though that was posted in the wrong thread. This is a world of victimhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Emn1ty said: This has nothing to do with racism. To be perfectly frank, this is a defacing of history. Do you think the Germans are proudly celebrating their Nazi history by erecting statues of Nazi's? Probably not, and for good reason. HoochieMamma, LaP, SecretAgentMan and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaP Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Emn1ty said: This has nothing to do with racism. To be perfectly frank, this is a defacing of history. Not saying i agree with the removal of the statues but this is not really defacing history. Defacing history would be rewriting the history books and documentaries. This is just the removal of some statues. wakjak and +Raze 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abecedarian paradoxious Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 41 minutes ago, wakjak said: Do you think the Germans are proudly celebrating their Nazi history by erecting statues of Nazi's? Probably not, and for good reason. There are big differences between "celebrating", "remembering" and "purging" history. Contrary to popular belief, the American Civil War was not fought because of slavery or racial or religious supremacy, unlike some other wars. psmoked and xrobwx71 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Just now, abecedarian paradoxious said: There are big differences between "celebrating", "remembering" and "purging" history. Contrary to popular belief, the American Civil War was not fought because of slavery or racial or religious supremacy, unlike some other wars. Really? Because history would have us believe the complete opposite of what you just said. Quote Root causes --------------------- Slavery Sectionalism Protectionism States rights Quote Among the ordinances of secession passed by the individual states, those of three – Texas, Alabama, and Virginia – specifically mentioned the plight of the 'slaveholding states' at the hands of northern abolitionists. The rest make no mention of the slavery issue, and are often brief announcements of the dissolution of ties by the legislatures.[67] However, at least four states – South Carolina,[68]Mississippi,[69] Georgia,[70] and Texas[71] – also passed lengthy and detailed explanations of their causes for secession, all of which laid the blame squarely on the movement to abolish slavery and that movement's influence over the politics of the northern states. The southern states believed slaveholding was a constitutional right because of the Fugitive slave clause of the Constitution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War To say it wasn't fought because of slavery would be an outright lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefyTheOutcome Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 13 minutes ago, abecedarian paradoxious said: Contrary to popular belief, the American Civil War was not fought because of slavery or racial or religious supremacy, unlike some other wars. Seriously? Do I need to get my history book again and repeat everything I said last year when the Charleston shooting happened regarding the Cornerstone speech of 1861 ??? User6060 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp0 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Instead of taking it down why can't they just put a white sheet over the statue? User6060, pqt and +Raze 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, Lamp0 said: Instead of taking it down why can't they just put a white sheet over the statue? Putting white sheets over monuments that remind people of racism....joking, right...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Raze Subscriber² Posted January 21, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted January 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, techbeck said: Putting white sheets over monuments that remind people of racism....joking, right...? Sure why not, then you can't see 'em! It's cheaper in the short term. They can even make them pointy so the birds won't land on them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilo Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) 39 minutes ago, wakjak said: Really? Because history would have us believe the complete opposite of what you just said. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War To say it wasn't fought because of slavery would be an outright lie. All of those causes can be grouped under States rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 56 minutes ago, Xilo said: All of those causes can be grouped under States rights. That doesn't change the cause of the civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiranui Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 If the Southern states ever secede from the union, will they legalize slavery again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Shiranui said: If the Southern states ever secede from the union, will they legalize slavery again? They probably would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted January 22, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, abecedarian paradoxious said: There are big differences between "celebrating", "remembering" and "purging" history. Contrary to popular belief, the American Civil War was not fought because of slavery or racial or religious supremacy, unlike some other wars. You are correct to a degree ... but what war has been fought over just one subject? In words of the seceding states themselves, the South wanted to secede because they wanted to preserve slavery. For example, Mississippi's declaration of secession stated: Quote Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world … a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp South Carolina: Quote The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. /snip For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp Texas stated: Quote We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/aboutt.../2feb1861.html You can look at the other states declaration of secession and find similar feelings towards slavery. None of the state's secession declarations revolved around men being created equal. ..With that said ... I do not believe that they should be taking down the memorials nor do I think this guys Lambo should have been vandalized. DefyTheOutcome and Vykranth 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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