T3X4S Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I thought this was pretty interesting. No surprise BMW is #1 - for being one of the most unreliable cars on the planet. Mercedes, I guess it is #2 due to costs - but not as much maintenance ? Also not surprising is Lexus with the overall best in terms of cost of cars / cost of repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gibs Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Doesn't have to mean its unreliable. German cars are notorious for making parts of the engine pretty difficult / complex to replace / fix. That means even simple things like a water pump replacement cost more because of the amount of work they have to do to get to the damn thing. Rippleman, Draconian Guppy, Doli and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted June 10, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 10, 2016 I'd rather keep on repairing my audi/bmw/mb than drive any of those other brands listed. Also, who buys a new car and keeps it for 10 years these days? Chances are that most new cars are traded-in after three to five years, before a major problem pops up. p.s. from my experience, a kia/hyundai costs less to maintain than a toyota. The parts are cheaper and the rate per hour is lower. Dashel 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 not surprising that the top chart are mostly dominated by euro cars. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted June 10, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted June 10, 2016 25 minutes ago, Mirumir said: I'd rather keep on repairing my audi/bmw/mb than drive any of those other brands listed. Also, who buys a new car and keeps it for 10 years these days? Chances are that most new cars are traded-in after three to five years, before a major problem pops up. p.s. from my experience, a kia/hyundai costs less to maintain than a toyota. The parts are cheaper and the rate per hour is lower. have had my Ford for 16 years. Had a fund set aside for when I wanted to purchase a car ... paid for a '09 Infiniti in cash (sold it when I deployed) and then just recently bought a 2016 Infiniti in cash. Have a new fund set aside for my next car...many years down the road. Anyway, haven't had a car loan in about 14 years. You do not need a car every 3-5 years .... unless you just have money to burn. Buttus, ctebah, Depicus and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 16 hours ago, -Razorfold said: Doesn't have to mean its unreliable. German cars are notorious for making parts of the engine pretty difficult / complex to replace / fix. That means even simple things like a water pump replacement cost more because of the amount of work they have to do to get to the damn thing. Actually, you can check out a lot of car enthusiast forums and see that many BMWs are not just expensive to fix, but unreliable. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 16 hours ago, -Razorfold said: Doesn't have to mean its unreliable. German cars are notorious for making parts of the engine pretty difficult / complex to replace / fix. That means even simple things like a water pump replacement cost more because of the amount of work they have to do to get to the damn thing. Actually, you can check out a lot of car enthusiast forums and see that many BMWs are not just expensive to fix, but unreliable. 7 minutes ago, jjkusaf said: have had my Ford for 16 years. Had a fund set aside for when I wanted to purchase a car ... paid for a '09 Infiniti in cash (sold it when I deployed) and then just recently bought a 2016 Infiniti in cash. Have a new fund set aside for my next car...many years down the road. Anyway, haven't had a car loan in about 14 years. You do not need a car every 3-5 years .... unless you just have money to burn. I think he was just bragging with the overall tone of the post. Jim K 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsupersonic Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I'd put MB in the more unreliable category over BMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 This is kind of a ###### statistic. 10 years ago was before the auto industry collapsed. The new GM, while still problematic has by far increased their reliability rankings. Same with Hyundai and Kia. The only ones I don't expect to change much between then and now are Toyota and possibly Honda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted June 10, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, shockz said: This is kind of a ###### statistic. Any American-based study on the car industry is usually biased towards being pro-American, pro-Japanese, and anti-German. JD Power is the worst offender with their reliability rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Overlord Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Mirumir said: I'd rather keep on repairing my audi/bmw/mb than drive any of those other brands listed. Also, who buys a new car and keeps it for 10 years these days? Chances are that most new cars are traded-in after three to five years, before a major problem pops up. p.s. from my experience, a kia/hyundai costs less to maintain than a toyota. The parts are cheaper and the rate per hour is lower. Never had a Skyline eh? +Raze 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted June 10, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted June 10, 2016 12 minutes ago, Mirumir said: Any American-based study on the car industry is usually biased towards being pro-American, pro-Japanese, and anti-German. JD Power is the worst offender with their reliability rating. So who would be the authority to give unbiased opinions on car reliability? I can see how maintenance costs on, for example a BMW, can run up. An oil change at my local BMW dealer is $120 ... with the option to tack on another 90 bucks for a "oil change upgrade package" ... whatever that is. Infiniti ... I think less than 50 bucks at the dealer. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted June 11, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted June 11, 2016 I drive a 2000 Acura 3.2TL with 105,000 miles on it and no major problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹ Posted June 11, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 11, 2016 I don't believe for on bit that lexus is cheaper to maintain then hyundai. hourly rate AND parts are cheaper at hyundai. bmw engines are not a problem but their electronics are terribly unreliable and expansive. for an old 7 series repair, it is cheaper to just get another similar old one without the problem. it is damn expensive to fix. but you don't have to go to a dealer to fix. aftermarket solution exist and they charge the cost drastically! under warranty, i don't trust audi, mb or bmw - local dealerships don't let let you see the working are OR the parts they replaced. that is crap! mazda and nissan and acura i drove were fully transparent with the work they have done and allowed me to see it, and the results! and they cost WAY cheaper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted June 11, 2016 MVC Share Posted June 11, 2016 5 hours ago, Mirumir said: Also, who buys a new car and keeps it for 10 years these days? I do. I my newest car right now is over 8 years old and aside from changing oil every 4K miles or so, I've not had any work other than regular scheduled maintenance - and the car is at nearly 170k miles. I plan on another 6 or 7 years. My last car lasted just over 15. Car gets me from point a to point b why do I need a new one every few years. Depicus 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted June 11, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted June 11, 2016 I have kept mine for 16 years @Mirumir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹ Posted June 11, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted June 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gary7 said: I have kept mine for 16 years @Mirumir my parents bmw is close to 15 years old and actually looks brand new. they still use it daily they just take care of it. minor scratches aside, inside still looks almost the same as it looked the day the car was bought. (electronics however.... don't even get me started ) +Gary7 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted June 11, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted June 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, E.worm Jimmy said: my parents bmw is close to 15 years old and actually looks brand new. they still use it daily they just take care of it. minor scratches aside, inside still looks almost the same as it looked the day the car was bought. (electronics however.... don't even get me started ) My Acura runs as good today as when I drove it of the lot. It also is quite fast, I had it up to 140 with plenty of pedal to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, jjkusaf said: have had my Ford for 16 years. Had a fund set aside for when I wanted to purchase a car ... paid for a '09 Infiniti in cash (sold it when I deployed) and then just recently bought a 2016 Infiniti in cash. Have a new fund set aside for my next car...many years down the road. Anyway, haven't had a car loan in about 14 years. You do not need a car every 3-5 years .... unless you just have money to burn. I used to work in the car business for a decade and the common saying for the finance office IN ALL DEALERSHIPS is "the only people that buy new cars and millionaires and idiots" - meaning: expensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conna Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Toyota FTW! 24 minutes ago, E.worm Jimmy said: I don't believe for on bit that lexus is cheaper to maintain then hyundai. hourly rate AND parts are cheaper at hyundai. 4 It's because Lexus vehicles are made by the same factories that make Toyotas. http://www.bbcamerica.com/shows/top-gear/video-extras/the-indestructible-truck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, conna said: Toyota FTW! It's because Lexus vehicles are made by the same factories that make Toyotas. http://www.bbcamerica.com/shows/top-gear/video-extras/the-indestructible-truck Toyota and Lexus are the SAME company. Of course they use the same factories. The Evil Overlord and tsupersonic 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, Gary7 said: My Acura runs as good today as when I drove it of the lot. It also is quite fast, I had it up to 140 with plenty of pedal to go. Plenty of pedal to go that would have netted another 2mph. 28 minutes ago, E.worm Jimmy said: my parents bmw is close to 15 years old and actually looks brand new. they still use it daily they just take care of it. minor scratches aside, inside still looks almost the same as it looked the day the car was bought. (electronics however.... don't even get me started ) Electronics are the bane of most cars these days. offroadaaron 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conna Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 1 minute ago, adrynalyne said: Toyota and Lexus are the SAME company. Of course they use the same factories. #28 #29 #30 Lexus, Scion, and Toyota are one and the same. I was responding to how someone would think Hyundai would be cheaper because of hourly rate and parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, conna said: #28 #29 #30 Lexus, Scion, and Toyota are one and the same. I was responding to how someone would think Hyundai would be cheaper because of hourly rate and parts. Hyundai is cheaper on parts and hourly rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 How old is that image in the OP? Thought Saturn and Pontiac were not even being made anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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