ctebah Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I think it's sad that this forum going through the same thing every time one of these events happens. Someone opens the thread and then we go round and round arguing, only for mods to come in and delete half the posts. Both other two forums I visit have put in a policy where mods can delete these kinds of threads without reason and it works perfectly. +E.Worm Jimmy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted July 23, 2016 3 hours ago, jjkusaf said: Turkey is over 96% Muslim and the founding member of OIC. Anyway...should be done with this as it isn't relevant to the topic. A state with a muslim majority can be both modern and secular. In fact, it's a kind of a Turkey envisioned by Ataturk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Mirumir said: A state with a muslim majority can be both modern and secular. In fact, it's a kind of a Turkey envisioned by Ataturk. Sadly, that Turkey is rapidly becoming a historical footnote thanks to Erdogan. Gone and r41n 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 6 hours ago, jjkusaf said: Anyway, BBC is reporting that it was a 18-year-old German-Iranian dual citizen ... and he acted alone. So called "Lone Wolf" attacks are the hardest type for intelligence services to stop. It's a lot easier to catch on to organised groups plotting something than a single attacker. Expect to see more of these happening. Emn1ty and Gone 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r41n Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Mirumir said: A state with a muslim majority can be both modern and secular. In fact, it's a kind of a Turkey envisioned by Ataturk. If you say "can be" it surely means you have some evidence to back that statement, I'd love to see that state, because Turkey is neither modern nor secular. Anyway, it seems like a 18 years old German-Iranian killed 9 people and than killed himself, that's the latest news here in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted July 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, r41n said: If you say "can be" it surely means you have some evidence to back that statement, I'd love to see that state, because Turkey is neither modern nor secular. Secularist movements in muslim states Quote Secularism in Turkey was both dramatic and far reaching as it filled the vacuum of the fall of the Ottoman Empire after World War I. With the country getting down Mustafa Kemal Atatürk led a political and cultural revolution. "Official Turkish modernity took shape basically through a negation of the Islamic Ottoman system and the adoption of a west-oriented mode of modernization." 18 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said: Sadly, that Turkey is rapidly becoming a historical footnote thanks to Erdogan. It remains to be seen what will become of Turkey. I think the country is at the crossroads right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mirumir said: It remains to be seen what will become of Turkey. I think the country is at the crossroads right now. Agreed, though it's already got a toe on the wrong road... It needs to take a step back and get back on the path Ataturk laid out for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulATMOS Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I'd appreciate the thoughts of MikeChipShop on this incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r41n Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 20 minutes ago, Mirumir said: Secularist movements in muslim states A movement is hardly a state, just a bunch of people. There is no muslim state that is secular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulATMOS Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Angela Merkel should resign immediately. She is not the type of politician required in times like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaGinger Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Mirumir said: Secularist movements in muslim states It remains to be seen what will become of Turkey. I think the country is at the crossroads right now. There Presidents party is affiliated to the Muslim Brotherhood. One of there goals is to use democracy to destroy Democracy. A nice slow job he uses to carry that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted July 23, 2016 1 hour ago, r41n said: A movement is hardly a state, just a bunch of people. There is no muslim state that is secular. Quote Secular states with majority Muslim populations Albania Azerbaijan Burkina Faso Chad Gambia Guinea Kazakhstan Kosovo Kyrgyzstan Mali Senegal Tajikistan Turkmenistan Uzbekistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troysavary Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 11 hours ago, fusi0n said: dude, not all Muslims are bad. There is an epidemic with a group of terrorist perverting the Islam faith to spread terror and fear. They are winning and something DOES need to happen. But, you have to know your enemy before you start. The biggest problem is social media and having an open world communication. They are able to recruit people from all over to carry out these horrible attacks. There isn't just a place you can bomb and win anymore. It's sorta like the way torrents work. It's impossible to stop this. The terrorists are not perverting Islam. They are the ones actually following what it teaches. Besides, the problems with Islam are not just in terrorist groups. The human rights abuses by Islamic governments are rampant. Even a supposed ally like Saudi Arabia treats women as second class citizens. psmoked 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troysavary Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 11 hours ago, jjkusaf said: So, you are comparing Muslims to racists, homophobes and Nazis? Seeing that Muslims have an irrational hatred of Jews, spread their ideology through violence, and allied with Hitler in WW2, the comparison to Nazis is apt. The Muslim Brotherhood learned their propaganda techniques from the Nazis and modelled their youth training after the Hitler Youth. Racist? Harder to qualify, as Islam isn't a race and they tend to hate non-Muslims regardless of race. Although Arab Muslims scorn Black Muslims. Homophobic? Just adult homosexuality. Islam actually celebrates man-boy love. But man-man can get you killed. psmoked 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Looks like the shooter in this case was a lone kook, not connected with extremism or anything... Quote The gunman who killed nine people in Munich was a student obsessed with mass shootings and had no known links to the Islamic State group, German police say. Police who searched his room found newspaper clippings on attacks including an article entitled "Why do students kill?", police told reporters. The killer, who was born in Munich, had a 9mm Glock pistol and 300 bullets. Friday evening's attack at the Olympia shopping mall also left 27 people injured, including children. Three of the victims were from Kosovo. The father of one of them, 21-year-old Dijamant Zabergja, was photographed holding a photo of his son near the mall on Saturday. The other two were young women. Police say the gunman had been in psychiatric care, receiving treatment for depression. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874497 Emn1ty 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troysavary Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I think a lot of people saying "not all Muslims are violent" are going to be surprised how many of the neighbours they assumed were nice, peaceful folk will turn on them as soon as some Islamic figure gains enough support in the Islamic world to be declared a Caliph. Historically, the biggest Muslim rampages have been when there was a recognised Caliph. Erdogan is trying hard to set himself up as one. Hell, just look at the dramatic rise in Islamic attacks because some think ISIS is the beginning of a Caliphate. Lying to infidels is permissible, and even encouraged, in the Koran. They concept of pretending to be peaceful when in a position of weakness, only to stab your former friends in the back when in a position of strength is an Islamic virtue. e in the West need to realise they operate on a value system that is diametrically opposed to ours. The man that they hold as the supreme example of how to live was a genocidal, pedophilic nutcase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazmac Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 16 hours ago, chrisj1968 said: yeah big bad ol guns. couldn't be the mentally bankrupt Islamists.. Nor mentally disturbed fake Christian counterparts. All cause and effect. No different than fatty foods, drugs or cigarettes. The more you make em, the more people use them and the more people die as a result. Keep thinking guns are the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaGinger Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mirumir said: Secular states with majority Muslim populations Albania Azerbaijan Burkina Faso Chad Gambia Guinea Kazakhstan Kosovo Kyrgyzstan Mali Senegal Tajikistan Turkmenistan Uzbekistan And you really believe that? guru 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mirumir Subscriber¹ Posted July 23, 2016 Subscriber¹ Share Posted July 23, 2016 46 minutes ago, NinjaGinger said: And you really believe that? Yes, especially when it comes to former Soviet states from that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jazmac said: Nor mentally disturbed fake Christian counterparts. All cause and effect. No different than fatty foods, drugs or cigarettes. The more you make em, the more people use them and the more people die as a result. Keep thinking guns are the answer. False. Non-suicide gun related death rates have been dropping like a rock since 1992, now approaching the 1960 levels, while the number of firearms has gone way up to >300 million with record sales and liberalized carry laws. CDC numbers FBI (handguns matter more because <1% of crimes involve long arms like rifles, shotguns or the improperly labeled "assault weapons") Edited July 23, 2016 by DocM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaGinger Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Mirumir said: Yes, especially when it comes to former Soviet states from that list. Oh well, If its soviet, it must be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazmac Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Nope, not the CDC putting this out. Some dudes blog did. You are easy to be fooled by a blogs with names like Gunfacts.info like the one you got this nonsense from, but I am not moved by such baloney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 The numbers were from CDC. All the blog did was chart them. Here's another source; the Pew Research Center, one of the best polling and research groups anywhere. This data from the FBI National Crime Victimization Survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DocM Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Dammit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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