Shadrack Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 good work mark! Hopefully these FAQs you've been writing will eliminate some of the repeat questions in the forum! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufioPan Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 An excellent beginner's take on the display layers for Linux/GNU :) I have some follow up questions though... for example, font rendering is something I would think is handled by the Desktop Environment, but it seems so consistent across all three desktop environments. How is this handled? Another question -- how difficult is it to start with just the kernel, and build up a system to the Desktop Environment? I assume it is NOT a trivial task :) Again, great job! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjordan2001 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 An excellent beginner's take on the display layers for Linux/GNU :)I have some follow up questions though... for example, font rendering is something I would think is handled by the Desktop Environment, but it seems so consistent across all three desktop environments. How is this handled? Another question -- how difficult is it to start with just the kernel, and build up a system to the Desktop Environment? I assume it is NOT a trivial task :) Again, great job! Thanks! 585281741[/snapback] X handles most of the font tasks, and actually most of the GUI tasks overall. Everything GUI-wise is built up on top of X and implements more features, such as GUI toolkits like GTK and QT. I'm not sure which handles anti-aliasing of fonts, X or the DE, but anti-aliasing seems different for each environment, so it's more than likely the DE. I'm uncertain what you mean by your second question, whether you mean a base install and building of from there or building from scratch. The former is much easier than the latter, it's mostly just building some packages. The latter is much more involved and requires a lot of work since you're building everything. Check out LFS and look at the book there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keen Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Great article! :) Here I think a word is missing: "The target audience for this is quite likely someone who is considering installing Linux for the first time, or who has installed it recently, but is having ______ understanding the variety of choices." :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted January 15, 2005 Author Veteran Share Posted January 15, 2005 Here I think a word is missing: "The target audience for this is quite likely someone who is considering installing Linux for the first time, or who has installed it recently, but is having ______ understanding the variety of choices."585300193[/snapback] Good catch! (Y) I'll correct that now. :yes:Such is the advantage of Open Source: Enough eyes, and every problem is shallow (to paraphrase Linus Torvald's quote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorV Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Great FAQ, it covers lots of things about the Linux OS for us newbies on Linux... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJC Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Great read, very well written. Thanks! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djmutik1013 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Very Good Mark as Always. A very well written faq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capiora Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 The Window Manger: So many choices... think that ain't quite right too ;) , but it doesn't take away the guide is very helpfull nice guide :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 23, 2005 Author Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2005 Oops. :blush: fixed. Well, maybe that will be the last typo. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EduardValencia Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 interesting thread markjensen :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 27, 2005 Author Veteran Share Posted February 27, 2005 interesting thread markjensen :) 585541731[/snapback] Thanks. Glad you found it interesting. This gets asked a lot, and it tough for many newcomers to understand at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theotherdave Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Great guide mark, same for the other one's in this FAQ section... this section is gold-dust, only just started looking at it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasker Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 great information Mark, thanks :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted June 24, 2005 Author Veteran Share Posted June 24, 2005 Great guide mark, same for the other one's in this FAQ section...this section is gold-dust, only just started looking at it.. 586113058[/snapback] Thanks. :) Oh, and several of us Green Mods (fred66, rezza, Armeck and myself) have been working at getting the HOWTO & FAQs moved out to be more visible. Still in the works, though progress seems slow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Armann- Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Sweet, good read :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zickar Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Good post and does in fact help a lot in Understanding how Linux Works and what setting needs to be changed or adressed to do this or that ... Either way I'm not sure if this is the place to put this but since we are talking about layers I read on Wikipedia that there are Seven layers of an OS !! Right ?? I only counted Six !! And Is this model of WIndow Managers , Kernel , Etc ... apply on all Operating System like WIndows for Example and Leopard and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted May 14, 2009 Author Veteran Share Posted May 14, 2009 ... but since we are talking about layers I read on Wikipedia that there are Seven layers of an OS !! Right ?? I only counted Six !! And Is this model of WIndow Managers , Kernel , Etc ... apply on all Operating System like WIndows for Example and Leopard and so on I think you mean the OSI model for the seven layers. It has to do with communications, not Operating Systems. Not sure if that is what you meant... :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zickar Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I think you mean the OSI model for the seven layers. It has to do with communications, not Operating Systems.Not sure if that is what you meant... :unsure: This is basically it : http://wiki.answers.com/Q/7_layers_of_operating_system I'm sure I read it on WIkipedia that this model is the seven layers of the operating system : hardware, firmware, kernel, memory manager, input output manager, file manager and application layer It seems that this is in fact the OSI model also according to Wikipedia , What exactly is this and doesn't it apply to Operating Systems ?? PS : If I'm going off topic please feel free to ignore me , I don't want to derail such a brilliant post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted May 14, 2009 Veteran Share Posted May 14, 2009 OSI = Open Systems Interconnection, it's how different computers talk to each other. As for the OS, that "layout" seems a bit strange, the memory manager and IO live in the kernel, not on top of it (unless we're talking about microkernel, but they add an extra 20 layers or so), and applications don't run on top of the file manager, they run along side it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdood Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 It seems that this is in fact the OSI model also according to Wikipedia , What exactly is this and doesn't it apply to Operating Systems ?? It's just someone who's misunderstood and thought the OSI model applies to operating systems. It doesn't, it deals with networking (and in a very academic way, compared to IP which does not follow the OSI model and is more practically designed). OSI = Open Systems Interconnection, it's how different computers talk to each other.As for the OS, that "layout" seems a bit strange, the memory manager and IO live in the kernel, not on top of it (unless we're talking about microkernel, but they add an extra 20 layers or so), and applications don't run on top of the file manager, they run along side it. On Windows (sorry, I know it's a Linux thread) the layers are technically hardware abstraction layer->drivers/kernel (scheduling, synchronization, interrupt/exception handling)->executive (memory, IO, process/thread management, networking, etc)->subsystems->applications. With the exception of the applications, most of this runs in kernel mode, so it's not a microkernel architecture in the sense that everything above the kernel runs in user mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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