Ban on violent net porn planned


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Last Updated: Tuesday, 30 August 2005, 03:51 GMT 04:51 UK

Internet pornography that depicts pain and violence could be banned under proposals put forward by ministers.

Distribution of extreme pornography is illegal in the UK but this does not affect foreign websites, so new laws could ban possession of it in Britain.

The Home Office and Scottish Executive are consulting on whether new laws are needed and what should be covered.

The idea was welcomed by the family of Jane Longhurst, of Hove, murdered by a man addicted to violent net porn.

The move follows discussions between G8 countries and internet service providers.

Minister Paul Goggins said such images were "extremely offensive to the vast majority" and had no place in society.

Distribution ban

"The fact that it is available over the internet should in no way legitimise it," he said.

"These forms of violent and abusive pornography go far beyond what we allow to be shown in films or even sold in licensed sex shops in the UK, so they should not be available online either."

UK-based websites and other distributors face prosecution under the Obscene Publications Act 1959.

Cathy Jamieson, Scottish Executive Justice Minister, said: "Violent pornography is abhorrent.

"If it is found that the law can be strengthened to cut violent pornography from our society, then we will take action."

The proposals were welcomed by Metropolitan Police Commander Dave Johnston.

'Assist investigations'

Mr Johnston, a representative of the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "The internet is being targeted more and more by those who create sites that specialise in sexual violence and other types of extreme perversion."

The fact many sites were outside the UK made investigations very difficult and the creation of new offences would "assist greatly", he said.

Jane Longhurst was murdered in Hove, Sussex, two years ago by a friend's boyfriend, Graham Coutts, who had spent hours viewing images of women being strangled and raped.

Ms Longhurst's mother Liz, of Reading, Berkshire, was shocked that such images were freely available over the internet and has campaigned for new laws.

Martin Salter, Labour MP for Reading West, praised Mrs Longhurst's "courage and motivation" and said he was pleased the legal "loophole" of the internet could be closed.

He said Mrs Longhurst had sought to ensure others "did not experience her dreadful loss when her lovely daughter Jane was murdered by a sick, self-confessed addict of extreme internet porn".

'Traceable'

Possession of obscene electronic images would be considered the same as possession of pornographic photos under the proposals, Mr Goggins said.

BBC crime correspondent Neil Bennett said: "Operation Ore has made it quite clear, with several thousand people in this country prosecuted for downloading child pornography, it is possible if you can find out who these people are.

"When you bear in mind that they are going to have to pay for this material using their credit cards, then that makes them traceable."

A Home Office spokesman said the new laws would not affect people who came into contact with pornographic material by accident.

Neil Bennett said: "It's specifically people who download this material and make active steps to access it.

"Nor is it aimed at the sort of adult pornography which falls well short of this sort of level."

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Are they planning on a ban for mainstream porn here too? :wacko: :angry:

I'm confused

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Are they planning on a ban for mainstream porn here too?  :wacko:  :angry:

I'm confused

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Im all for banning certain types, but who says what is considered "extreme pornography", some 60yr old judge who thinks all pornography is evil?

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Starfish - you are one sick fool!

Anyhow, I have nothing against porn, and used to think "live and let live".

But recently I had a friend meet a guy who seemed nice at first. The next day she was telling me how messed up he was, wanting to bring knives and needles into their sexual relationship. Like wanting to pretend to rape her, wanting to inject her with some liquid to enhance the "fantasy" of raping and killing her. He also wanted her to pretend to be a little girl who didn't understand he was abusing her.

This guy then held her down, put a knife to her and said he'd kill her if she told anyone. Obviously she told me and and we informed the police - although nothing he did was illegal, he was certainly worrying.

Now, guys like this (I assume) are the sort who feed off this violent porn (fake rape, and who knows). I am fairly certain the guy, if he got his kicks more and more, would eventually push himself further and further until he did something VERY bad.

So yeah, getting your kicks from nudie pictures is one thing, but to be physically arroused by pain is just sick.

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I agree that violent "fake rape" porn is bad, but fairly, if they are gonna ban it then they should ban any movies and pics depicting violence (sexual or nonsexual)

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This guy then held her down, put a knife to her and said he'd kill her if she told anyone.  Obviously she told me and and we informed the police - although nothing he did was illegal, he was certainly worrying.

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Uh...what about that scenario is NOT illegal?

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Starfish - you are one sick fool!

Anyhow, I have nothing against porn, and used to think "live and let live".

But recently I had a friend meet a guy who seemed nice at first.  The next day she was telling me how messed up he was, wanting to bring knives and needles into their sexual relationship.  Like wanting to pretend to rape her, wanting to inject her with some liquid to enhance the "fantasy" of raping and killing her.  He also wanted her to pretend to be a little girl who didn't understand he was abusing her.

This guy then held her down, put a knife to her and said he'd kill her if she told anyone.  Obviously she told me and and we informed the police - although nothing he did was illegal, he was certainly worrying.

Now, guys like this (I assume) are the sort who feed off this violent porn (fake rape, and who knows).  I am fairly certain the guy, if he got his kicks more and more, would eventually push himself further and further until he did something VERY bad.

So yeah, getting your kicks from nudie pictures is one thing, but to be physically arroused by pain is just sick.

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Why is being aroused by pain sick?

As long as both participants agree to said acts, I don't find anything wrong with it.

Banning violent porn doesn't really accomplish anything. If the UK is anything like the US, there is no connection to rape and pornography.

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Why is it that people cannot take responsibility for themselves? Instead of blaming the media, the porn, the games, whatever it may be... Guess what? porn didn't kill that woman... a screwed up person did. Even without the porn, that guy would still be screwed up, and would have killed one way or the other. People murdered before the internet, before porn. There are simply screwed up people in the world and people will die. Get over it. I have deep sympathy for the family of the poor woman, hell, I have stopped 2 gangrapes before, but trying to stop the content won't change anything, cause it will always exist. Hell, there is still kiddy porn (which is undeniably evil, because it is not between consenting adults). There should be more efforts into stopping the really evil stuff.

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This guy then held her down, put a knife to her and said he'd kill her if she told anyone.  Obviously she told me and and we informed the police - although nothing he did was illegal, he was certainly worrying.

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Threatening to kill someone is illegal. Holding a knife to her and threatening her in the same time is almost as good as attempted. He was outright threatening her.

As long as its not snuff, who cares. Should we outlaw action movies too? Just because its porn doesn't make it any different from other forms of entertainment.

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The problem with porn is that it is very addictive,a person may start out just looking at softcore stuff,but they usually go further and further.Most people can control themselves,but some people become hopelessly addicted and end up getting into incredible sick stuff like child porn,bondage,etc.Its so very sad.

I personally think the .xxx is a very good idea...although it will never be implemented,and I also think the banning violent porn is a good idea.

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The problem with porn is that it is very addictive,a person may start out just looking at softcore stuff,but they usually go further and further.Most people can control themselves,but some people become hopelessly addicted and end up getting into incredible sick stuff like child porn,bondage,etc.Its so very sad.

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:rolleyes:

You'll also go blind and hair will grow on your palms.

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:rolleyes:

You'll also go blind and hair will grow on your palms.

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Uhh no he had a valid point, porn does lead to more and more sick things if the person can't control themselves... violent porn is very bad and nothing good for society, it can be banned and it would only benefit people.

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it's really simple none one has the right to ban anything that someone else enjoy. well thats my view... as long as everyone is willing in the acts let them do what they want.

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The problem with porn is that it is very addictive,a person may start out just looking at softcore stuff,but they usually go further and further.Most people can control themselves,but some people become hopelessly addicted and end up getting into incredible sick stuff like child porn,bondage,etc.Its so very sad.

I personally think the .xxx is a very good idea...although it will never be implemented,and I also think the banning violent porn is a good idea.

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I don't disagree with your first statement that porn can be addictive. Just about anything can become addictive. I do have a problem with said addiction leading to other sick things. The problem is that stereotypical child porn* involves prepubscent children. I find it hard to believe that after watching various porn starlets do their thing that person will all of a sudden make a person want an eight year old.

How is bondage sick? It could be considered weird along with a bunch of other fetishes.

I'm of the mindset that all porn come out of someone's fantasy and then spread out to like minded people.

I'll ask again what benefit would banning such porn accomplish?

If banning objectional material is great for society, do you support banning violent video games?

*The reason I said stereotypical child porn is because in the 80's Traci Lords, who was 16 at time, made a series of pornos and posed for playboy. So technically anybody who brought her videos or that issue of playboy unwittingly brought child porn, due to her being under the age of constent.

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it's really simple none one has the right to ban anything that someone else enjoy. well thats my view... as long as everyone is willing in the acts let them do what they want.

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you sure about that? there are a lot of things people enjoy but are not right

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People have sex with dead bodies.  And all the participants are willing, so what's wrong with that?  :wacko:

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Last time I checked dead bodies can't give consent to sex. ;)

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