Hani Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Hey, I promised myself not to start any religious topics on this forum, but what I found out lately was breathtaking. "God is the Light of the heavens and the earth??Chapter 24, Verse 35. The Holy Qur?an That verse is going to be the subject for this topic, based on Einstein?s both general/special relativity theories. As Einstein said, the only thing in this universe that has an absolute value is light. Nobody can exceed the speed of light. In the future, a spaceship can reach 1 speed of light = 300,000 KM/s, but no matter what great discoveries we make in the future the spaceship can't reach 1.1 the speed of light. Of course, this was all proved by Einstein and scientists confirmed this theory. We all know that everything in this universe is relative. Just because we are in a slow motion doesn?t mean that the value of an experiment must be true. We are taking a special case. For example, scientists once did something in the past to confirm Einstein?s relativity theories. What they did was that they put a clock on earth, thus it is positioned in the speed of the rotation of the earth = 1,041 miles per hour. We place another clock on a satellite positioned in the speed of the satellite which is way more than the speed of the rotation of the earth, when they compared these two watches, the clock on earth passed more time than the one on the satellite. Hence, we know that as we become closer to the speed of light time slows, and at the speed of light time stops. Everything in our universe isn?t absolute. Only light is. Why? Because we know that when traveling in the speed of light mass becomes infinite, time stops, and volume is null (v=l*w*h, l=0, v=0) Thus light doesn?t exist in our dimension. It exists somewhere else, and for religious people it exists in our spirit, in our soul. Now, we come to the main subject for this topic. We all know that light is everywhere anytime, since at the speed of light time is null. Hence light is omnipresent, and it is independent of time. Photons from the Sun traveling at the speed of light, have infinite mass, right? Hence, when photons hit the earth, it should destroy our planet. But, no it doesn?t, why? I certainly don?t know why, it is either incomprehensible or might be discovered in the future. God said in the Qur?an said he is everywhere anytime. Also, we know that light created this universe. We know that earth once was light, that started by sub atomic particles that originated from light. Hence we now know that light is omnificent or omnipotent. Only one factor remains. I truly can?t believe how this universe can stabilize itself, and I think that light is the one. Maybe photons contain commands for the planets. Who knows? It may be proven in the future. Hence light is omniscience. This is only theoretical prove for light to be God himself. I apologize from God and all religious people if this was wrong. This topic is no flamebait, so please resepect all people's opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexxan Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Except scientists recently sped up and slowed down light.. so ya. try searching "speed up light" in google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 Except scientists recently sped up and slowed down light.. so ya.try searching "speed up light" in google. ermm, yeah but could they make an object run at a speed which is more than the speed of light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin-uk Veteran Posted September 2, 2005 Veteran Share Posted September 2, 2005 ermm, yeah but could they make an object run at a speed which is more than the speed of light? 586468533[/snapback] im not sure, but i think its already been done.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 (edited) im not sure, but i think its already been done.. Light itself is mass less, hence it can travel at the speed of light but not quicker. But since every body in the universe has a mass, it has to travel at speeds less than the speed of light. Objects with mass can't reach the speed of light since it requires an infinite amount of energy. No object with mass at rest can attain or surpass the speed of light since according to the theory of relativity no object that starts with a speed lower than the speed of light can travel faster than the speed of light, no matter what trick you do to an object like rotation or making it move in a straight line. Example: If a plane traveling in a certain speeds emit light, the light won't be traveling at the speed of light + the speed of the airplane, it will only be traveling in the speed of light. This is true and was tested by scientists. You can slow down the speed of light, but by letting it pass into an abnormal system which is an ultra cold gas of sodium atoms suffused in laser light. Scientists once believed that there might be objects in the cosmos that might travel faster, I don?t remember their name. But no evidence was found concerning these objects. So it appears to be that there is a universal velocity limit which is the speed of light. And if you were right I think it is an astounding discovery, that in my opinion is truly impossible:wacko:o: Edited September 2, 2005 by Hani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted September 2, 2005 Veteran Share Posted September 2, 2005 God was before the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Objects with mass can't reach the speed of light since it requires an infinite amount of energy. You do know that there are no infinities in the formula E=mc^2, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former1 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 You do know that there are no infinities in the formula E=mc^2, right? 586469029[/snapback] Took the words out of my mouth :yes: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remix17 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Ok you are all wrong here. You can't have space ships travelling at the speed of light, because it is physically impossible. Relativity states that no object can accelerate to a speed of light, but it is possible to have on object that already moves as fast or faster than light. Off course no such object was yet observered, nor is there any proof that one exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 (edited) Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Crossing the speed of light barrier from either a faster or a slower speed is disallowed. Could you reach the speed of 160 Km/h in a car without passing the speed of 150 KM/h. And Tom google the post you quoted and you will learn that it is true. E=mc^2 says that energy is equal to the rest mass of the object times the speed of light squared. A common misconception in this formula Tom. The notion of a system's mass increases as the system approaches the speed of light is utterly false. I made a research on this and all the articles I read confirm that objects require infinite amounts of energy to travel in the speed of light since the amount of energy added to the opposition to the increase of velocity is more than that added to increase the speed of a spaceship for example. Edited September 2, 2005 by Hani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remix17 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Crossing the speed of light barrier from either a faster or a slower speed is disallowed. Could you reach the speed of 160 Km/h in a car without passing the speed of 150 KM/h. And Tom google the post you quoted and you will learn that it is true. E=mc^2 says that energy is equal to the rest mass of the object times the speed of light squared. A common misconception in this formula Tom. The notion of a system's mass increases as the system approaches the speed of light is utterly false. 586469487[/snapback] Tachyons are particles that travel faster than speed of light (Some scientists claim that Tachyons exist in nature) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 Tachyons are particles that travel faster than speed of light (Some scientists claim that Tachyons exist in nature) Yeah I know I posted this in my 4th post last paragraph but I forgot the name and you reminded me of it, according to my knowledge their is no evidence for their existence, so I hope you supply me with an article or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Crossing the speed of light barrier from either a faster or a slower speed is disallowed. Could you reach the speed of 160 Km/h in a car without passing the speed of 150 KM/h. And Tom google the post you quoted and you will learn that it is true. E=mc^2 says that energy is equal to the rest mass of the object times the speed of light squared. A common misconception in this formula Tom. The notion of a system's mass increases as the system approaches the speed of light is utterly false.I made a research on this and all the articles I read confirm that objects require infinite amounts of energy to travel in the speed of light since the amount of energy added to the opposition to the increase of velocity is more than that added to increase the speed of a spaceship for example. 586469487[/snapback] Using a technique called Stimulated Brillouin Scattering, the researchers were able to slow down or ratchet up the speed of light like the gas pedal on a car. They succeeded in reducing the speed of light by almost a factor of 4 (although that?s still plenty fast at 46,500 miles per second), but even more dramatically, the team was alsable to speed up the speed of light.b>Light in a vacuum travels at approximately 186,000 miles per second, but a popular misconception is that, according to Einstein?s special theory of relativity, nothing in the universe can travel faster than this speed. This seeming paradox can be resolved because a pulse of light is actually made up of many separate frequency components, each of which moves at their own velocities. This is known as the pulse?s phase velocity. If all the frequency components have the same phase velocity, then the overall pulse will also appear to move at that velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 By tweaking the relationship between phase velocities, it's possible to adjust the group velocity and create the illusion that parts of the pulse are traveling faster than the speed of light. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ItalianPhysi...er/message/8714 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 i still don't understand how this thread has anything to do with god seeing as how the direction it has turned, regarding mass, the speed of light, and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 (edited) i still don't understand how this thread has anything to do with god seeing as how the direction it has turned, regarding mass, the speed of light, and so forth. I agree with you, people were commenting in the scientific facts I provided so I had to make a debate with them, but they weren't commenting on God being as light. So people please stick to the topic :) Edited September 2, 2005 by Hani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 :happy: Amazing how so many people take the Bible's symbolic tales so literaly. God is not only Light, but also a part of every other electromagnetic manisfestation. God is also the Heavens & Earth. And quite humorous how seriously you all take the 'Speed-of-light' as some absolute limit. Light is a part of a much LARGER electromagnetic spectrum, as Science will eventually discover. Travel faster-than-light is acheived by other races in the Galaxy all the time. Don't be fooled by the limited thinking of Earth's present day scientists. Just because Humans don't know how something is done, does not mean that it can not be. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remix17 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 :happy: Amazing how so many people take the Bible's symbolic tales so literaly.God is not only Light, but also a part of every other electromagnetic manisfestation. God is also the Heavens & Earth. And quite humorous how seriously you all take the 'Speed-of-light' as some absolute limit. Light is a part of a much LARGER electromagnetic spectrum, as Science will eventually discover. Travel faster-than-light is acheived by other races in the Galaxy all the time. Don't be fooled by the limited thinking of Earth's present day scientists. Just because Humans don't know how something is done, does not mean that it can not be. :laugh: 586471488[/snapback] Do you even know the physical interpretation of light and why it is considered the the universal speed limit? Have you ever seen this physical expression 1/(1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2) ? If you haven't then you are in no position to make this claim. Relativity prooves that nothing in the universe can accelerate to a speed of light, nothing. Because in order for that to happen an infinite amound of energy would be required, something we all know isn't possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamz Veteran Posted September 3, 2005 Veteran Share Posted September 3, 2005 ok, i'm not going to go into the scientific material, because that is a whole college course on its own. We all know that light is everywhere anytime, since at the speed of light time is null. this is an incorrect assertion. nullified time does not imply that light is everywhere. Hence light is omnipresent, and it is independent of time. there are several problems here. the first, of course, stems from the false premise above. if that is false, then the analogy unravels. furthermore, independence/dependence has a very specific meaning in physics and mathematics. it is incorrect to say that omnipresence makes an entity independent (since there can be omnipresent entities that are dependent), and moreover, saying that entities that move would be "independent" of time represents a naive understanding of relativity. in fact, relativity implies a special interconnectedness between distance, time, acceleration, velocity, etc. God said in the Qur?an said he is everywhere anytime. Also, we know that light created this universe. i've never heard anyone say that "light" created the universe, but i see where this argument is going. by the end, you conclude that god is light, q.e.d. but this is an improper proof. as i said before, being omnipresent does not imply independence, and it does not imply that it is light. We know that earth once was light, that started by sub atomic particles that originated from light. Hence we now know that light is omnificent or omnipotent. again, saying that earth was once light has no physical meaning. you need to talk about heavy and light elements, about molten cores, gravitational exertions, and so on. you may be thinking of light in a different sense, but it definitely not physical. hence, your "proof" that links physical with non-physical (i.e. metaphysical) cannot be tenable. if you wish to pursue the matter further, read up on astrophysics. Only one factor remains. I truly can?t believe how this universe can stabilize itself, and I think that light is the one. there are several problems here. first of all, you fall prey to the idea that what is must also be. technically speaking, the only reason you see the stabilized world is because you're here. that is, you take the fact that the world has formed and that you are in it for granted. if the world were different, you might not be here. it makes no sense to talk about anthropological stability, since this is the only position we have. second, light doesn't necessarily "stabilize." if you study more about electromagnetic effects, you'll find that light can actually de-stabilize entities. Maybe photons contain commands for the planets. Who knows? It may be proven in the future. Hence light is omniscience. 586468394[/snapback] your "hence" is premature. saying that photons may contain commands for planets does not imply that light is omniscient. photons, however, can contain information. this is the basis for quantum computation, light technology, etc., but that does not mean that light controls planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 (Y) well, well put Light does not control planets, even the use of the word control in this case needs some more elaboration on your part Hani, there is no evidence that light controls planets. Gravity is what keeps our planet in orbit around our star, the sun. And no our planet was not once light, when a star is formed the blast it gives off, signaling it's birth causes the cloud around it to collapse from the gravitional force from the newly formed star a acretion disk is formed, heavier elements begin to fuse in the disk. controlled by the gravity from the star these elements begin to crash into eachother, i posted the study of star and planetary formation on neowin a few times. Please give it a look. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkishdelight Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 God was before the light. Right on. God created light, and God says that he is the light of the world, but I think "light" means two different things in those two contexts. "The light" implies spiritual light (i.e. a guide through life) and "light" in the first example implies light as humans percieve it (i.e. the massless thing that moves really fast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamz Veteran Posted September 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted September 4, 2005 Right on. God created light, and God says that he is the light of the world, but I think "light" means two different things in those two contexts. "The light" implies spiritual light (i.e. a guide through life) and "light" in the first example implies light as humans percieve it (i.e. the massless thing that moves really fast). 586476329[/snapback] i believe "god creating light" is an ex post facto ad hoc attribution of a sociologically defined "good" quality. god did not create evil, but he created all good things, which is convenient and simple. but this is a definition, or, to borrow a term from mathematics, an identity. i believe, though, that qualities were defined ex ante facto, judged, then only later on attributed as being necessarily so by virtue of the human classification. consequently, these "qualities" can be understood only as human constructs, not a priori natures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted September 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted September 4, 2005 You guys make my head hurt :wacko: I like it! :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted September 4, 2005 Author Share Posted September 4, 2005 I want to note that I'm not trying to prove God's existence, I'm asserting that their is a tiny possibility that he himself is light, since we know that in order to God to have created this universe he shouldn't be in it, and since light is in an unknown dimension he might be it. My points are all assertions, you can't know if he is light or isn't. Futuristic discoveries might clear this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaLiVa Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 So this makes Blackholes the devil? Anti-Christ? Anti-God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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