Barney T. Administrators Posted November 6, 2005 Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2005 This is scary: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9939709/ Barney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeusProto Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 As long as you're a law abiding citizen you have nothing to be concerned about. Only terrorists need worry about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betasp Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 I love how they never define ordinary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mx Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 I am not an American, but, in the interest of national security. If the UK secret services were accessing peoples records, like mine, I wouldn't care. As a law abiding person who doesn't take part in any terrorist activities, what is there to be scared of? We live in times where people want to blow themselves up and take you with them, surely the government should do everything they can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted November 6, 2005 [Thread Moved from GD to RWI] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mircleman Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 you guys kill me with this oh if your not terrorists you have nothing to worry about. yes WE do its called big brother. little by little freedoms are being removed in the name of security. and to make sure you understand your statement is wrong. only for terrorists. quote "he Patriot Act, and Bush administration guidelines for its use, transformed those letters by permitting clandestine scrutiny of U.S. residents and visitors who are not alleged to be terrorists or spies." NOTICE IT SAID WHO ARE NOT SPIES OR TERROSRISTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remix17 Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 What if one day the government decides to identify you as a terrorist and enforce these measures ? I would rather be blown to bits than see my freedoms be taken away from me one by one. I'm not joking either. These are serious issues and trust me, everyone has something to hide. They will start with terrorists, then will go after people who look like terrorists, who talk like terrorists, until they go all the way down the slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney T. Administrators Posted November 6, 2005 Author Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2005 (edited) Remember when the US government interned American-Japanese during WWII in the guise of "national security"? And remember when J. Edgar Hoover blacklisted many ordinary citizens under the misguided assumption that they were communist sympathizers? Giving big governement open license to do what they want to without just cause under some "act" is giving away everyone's basic rights. Remember the expression "Absolute power corrupts absolutely". If you don't remember your history about government abusing this power, you are doomed to repeat it! Barney Edited November 6, 2005 by barneyt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Oh and I'm against that, simply because I don't want a bunch of donut munching built-up nerds somewhere in Langley to know who I'm sleeping with and when. Or rather, I wouldn't want that if I was American. Privacy is nice, you know! Statistically you are about 1000 times more likely to die of a car accident than terrorist attack. Why don't we ban cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diffused Mind Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 As long as you're a law abiding citizen you have nothing to be concerned about. Only terrorists need worry about this. 586774611[/snapback] That's not the point. Unless you have committed a crime, your records do not have to be examined by the FBI. Very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted November 6, 2005 The discussion of government installed notebook keyloggers was split to this topic: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=394658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 As long as you're a law abiding citizen you have nothing to be concerned about. Only terrorists need worry about this. 586774611[/snapback] This rule would be great in a world where the police would be perfect and devoid of any faults, however as you must know the FBI is stuck with heavy bureaucracy problems (for example the INS granted access to the US to a known terrorist simply because the FBI wouldn't give them proof which would allow them to deny his green card for these reasons). Similarly, the local PD is only as good as its officers, and whilst some may be doing a great jobs, others may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 8, 2005 Veteran Share Posted November 8, 2005 The FBI now issues more than 30,000 national security letters a year, according to government sources, a hundredfold increase over historic norms. The letters -- one of which can be used to sweep up the records of many people -- are extending the bureau's reach as never before into the telephone calls, correspondence and financial lives of ordinary Americans. Somehow I don't think the 30,000 national security letters per year all have to do with terrorism. The cops are probably using their new powers to find out who is dating their sister and what internet search terms he uses on his computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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