PS3 nearly cracked?

[Sheppard]

World famous Xbox hacking development company 'Team Xecuter' has rolled out the details on their first commercial product for PS3 - the 'Hyperdrive'. This device will allow you to connect any 3.5" SATA hard drive to the PS3, supporting upto 750GB and switching between the external HYPERDRIVE and internal 2.5" HDD. There will also be USB 2.0 support to dump DATA to and from the HDD. They also state that a few friends in the Playstation scene have relayed that booting games from the PS3 HDD is not far off at all!

Source:Maxconsole

First movies, now the ability to add huge hdds and booting games from HDD not so far away this is a HUGE blow to Sony, its not even been out a month yet and its already on the verge of being pirated.

Sony is in big big trouble and ill bet the super ninja death lawyers are being prepped as we speak.

[MGS4-SS]

Source:Maxconsole

First movies, now the ability to add huge hdds and booting games from HDD not so far away this is a HUGE blow to Sony, its not even been out a month yet and its already on the verge of being pirated.

Sony is in big big trouble and ill bet the super ninja death lawyers are being prepped as we speak.

I love your analysis and conclusions. I find them funny.

[Sheppard]

Well it is a huge blow, consoles usually arent cracked for at least a year into its life. Sony make money on software sales, if this thing is cracked then they will lose a crapload of money on top of the $200 on every PS3 sold.

Glad you find what i say funny, you call it funny, i call it denial.

[spenser.d]

I love your analysis and conclusions. I find them funny.

It is a blow. Sony NEEDS software sales in order to make some of their money back on their hardware losses. If the games are being pirated, they aren't going to be making as much money.

Though, in all honesty, the average user (i.e. probably 90-95% of the people who own consoles) won't ever hack or crack their console because they don't know how or care to, so I don't think it's as big an issue as it's made out to be, but it's still an issue nonetheless.

-Spenser

[Dazzla Veteran]

Not so sure about denial. Adding huge hard drives is one of the selling points Sony is advertising. You can add a 160GB internal drive, that's in the PS3 manual telling you how to do it. Hardly cracked is it.

Secondly, the jump from 160GB to 750GB+ doesn't mean anything, it just means there's a SATA extender going from inside the PS3 to outside the PS3 where they can support 3.5" drives instead of 2.5" drives.

Bit of a non story really.

[Sheppard]

Look at the PSP though, the majority of people who own one play homebrew and iso games from the memory stick. If the PS3 is as easy as the PSP was then everyone will be into it.

[MGS4-SS]

Well it is a huge blow, consoles usually arent cracked for at least a year into its life. Sony make money on software sales, if this thing is cracked then they will lose a crapload of money on top of the $200 on every PS3 sold.

Glad you find what i say funny, you call it funny, i call it denial.

The PS2 had a modchip before it was even 6 months old, and it still sold more than the competition, etc.

And what I meant about funny was the use of "super ninja death lawyers" or whatever you said. And glad to know that you're in denial.

[Sheppard]

Not so sure about denial. Adding huge hard drives is one of the selling points Sony is advertising. You can add a 160GB internal drive, that's in the PS3 manual telling you how to do it. Hardly cracked is it.

Secondly, the jump from 160GB to 750GB+ doesn't mean anything, it just means there's a SATA extender going from inside the PS3 to outside the PS3 where they can support 3.5" drives instead of 2.5" drives.

Bit of a non story really.

Read the last line in the quote box:

They also state that a few friends in the Playstation scene have relayed that booting games from the PS3 HDD is not far off at all!

Nuff said.

[MGS4-SS]

Well, I know a friend that is the cousing of the uncle of one of my old, elementary school friends that cracked the X360 and runs pirated games on it. Would yo believe me?

[Lexcyn]

The PS3 reminds me a bit of Dreamcast. It was packed full of the most technology at the time but was prone to easy piracy. We all know what happened there. :p

[Sheppard]

Well, I know a friend that is the cousing of the uncle of one of my old, elementary school friends that cracked the X360 and runs pirated games on it. Would yo believe me?

You arent a well connected and respected cracking/modding team who cracked xbox and xbox 360 are you. I tend to believe them.

[Hupp]

Well, I know a friend that is the cousing of the uncle of one of my old, elementary school friends that cracked the X360 and runs pirated games on it. Would yo believe me?

well playing pirated 360 games is possible with firmware hacks. but because its you saying it , no. :D

[Ironman273]

Here's a good link with info: http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/02/team-xe...ds-to-your-ps3/

And this device allows you to add 3.5" drives to the PS3 which are available in sizes much larger than the 2.5" drives as well as much cheaper.

[mufdvr3669]

The PS3 reminds me a bit of Dreamcast. It was packed full of the most technology at the time but was prone to easy piracy. We all know what happened there. :p

Yeah, kinda like the PS2 was easy to pirate games on. I remember using some kind of game enhancer then switching out discs to play burnt games. We all know what happened with the PS2 :woot:

The thing is most people aren't going to go to these extremes to play pirated games. Calling it a huge blow is over exaggerating things, though that's what 360 and Wii "fans" tend to do sometimes.

[Sheppard]

Yeah, kinda like the PS2 was easy to pirate games on. I remember using some kind of game enhancer then switching out discs to play burnt games. We all know what happened with the PS2 :woot:

Yes but the PS2 was riding on the success of the PS1, Sony wasnt so much in debt, didnt have huge loans out on the construction of the console and could do no wrong in the eyes of the fans.

I dont think the PS3 will have the same amount of success as the PS2 did after all the lies and promises that Sony have made over the last few years, i learnt my lesson after buying PS2 and wont be making the same mistake with PS3.

[kingroach]

people who want to pirate game, will pirate games anyway.. But PS3's situation might help PS3 like it helped xbox. If you have two cracked consoles and one only plays pirated disks and nothing else ( xbox360) and the other one which plays pirated games + homebrews+easy hard drive upgrade (PS3) , people will pick the later.

[Sheppard]

Maybe so but you have to think about Sonys position, i read on these very forums that they are losing $200 on every console and make their money up on games, if it requires very little or no outlay to patch the system and play copies everyone will be doing it, which means less revenue.

They are losing money and they have to pay back loans. This could shorten the life of the console. If games are easy to pirate developers will go elsewhere and the library of games will suffer.

[Lexcyn]

Yeah, kinda like the PS2 was easy to pirate games on. I remember using some kind of game enhancer then switching out discs to play burnt games. We all know what happened with the PS2 :woot:

The thing is most people aren't going to go to these extremes to play pirated games. Calling it a huge blow is over exaggerating things, though that's what 360 and Wii "fans" tend to do sometimes.

The PS2 had mod chips, the Dreamcast didn't which is why it was so easy to pirate on (you only had to have the boot disc). If hackers really end up making it so you can rip games and movies and then play them from the HD without any special hardware added, it could be bad news for PS3 unless they updated the firmware (which they probably will - although that hasn't been working great with the PSP).

[Tristan]

more info

We've been playing with a PS3. Didn't take long to come up with a useful product - codenamed the HYPERDRIVE.

Features:

Connect any 3.5" SATA Hard Drive to the PS3

Developing ability to connect IDE hard drive

Supports upto 750GB (maybe more thats all we have here)

Switch between external HYPERDRIVE and internal 2.5" HDD

HYPERDRIVE USB2.0 Support to dump data to/from HDD

When you connect the system announces the drive requires formatting etc and then promptly begins to prep it. All system settings are unchanged so they are stored internally to the PS3 and not on the HDD.

We can assure you that larger hard drives will be essential in the near future. After speaking to colleagues from the Playstation Scene, booting games from HDD is possible and not far off. As the games are blu-ray (17gb+ dumps available) then the larger HDD the better, and you wont get very large and cheap 2.5" drives, however 250GB 3.5" drives are close to $60 these days.

We may release a simple adapter first so you can hook up with ease right now rather than wait for release of the HYPERDRIVE, that won't take too long at all to release.

Product pics / more info soon.

Here's some crappy pics showing our first attempts at 3.5" hook ups. Drive in this pics was 150GB - note how much OS space is taken up !!

Source

http://media.ps3scene.com/images/hyperdrive/1.jpg

http://media.ps3scene.com/images/hyperdrive/2.jpg

http://media.ps3scene.com/images/hyperdrive/4.jpg

http://media.ps3scene.com/images/hyperdrive/5.jpg

http://media.ps3scene.com/images/hyperdrive/6.jpg

[mufdvr3669]

Yes but the PS2 was riding on the success of the PS1, Sony wasnt so much in debt, didnt have huge loans out on the construction of the console and could do no wrong in the eyes of the fans.

I dont think the PS3 will have the same amount of success as the PS2 did after all the lies and promises that Sony have made over the last few years, i learnt my lesson after buying PS2 and wont be making the same mistake with PS3.

Ok, so the PS3 isn't riding on the success of the PS2. Seeing as how the PS2 was more successful than the PS1. Heck the PS2 is still outselling the 360. The debt doesn't have much to do with the PS3, it's more of a Sony thing, when I buy the PS3 after a price drop I'm not going to think about Sony being in debt with huge loans. Plus, the PS2 is still outselling the 360 so I don't see how Sony doing no wrong has much to do with the selling of a console. Even after rootkits and exploding batteries and class action lawsuits about defective consoles the PS2 is outselling the 360, shows you only "fans" like to argue about this kind of crap on the internet, the general population doesn't care.

Plus most people don't care about Sony's lies and promises. You are not dating your console. You are playing games on it. It is what it is, the games will speak for themselves. If Sony says it will be the bestest console of all time and the games are crap then it will fail, if the games are fun and they have great exclusives then it will succeed. In the end it doesn't matter if Sony said it will be 1000 times faster than the 360, the games will speak for them self when they are released.

The PS2 had mod chips, the Dreamcast didn't which is why it was so easy to pirate on (you only had to have the boot disc). If hackers really end up making it so you can rip games and movies and then play them from the HD without any special hardware added, it could be bad news for PS3 unless they updated the firmware (which they probably will - although that hasn't been working great with the PSP).

You didn't have to have a mod chip for the PS2. You used some kind of a game shark device hooked into the back port, started the console with a boot up disk, and swapped.

Plus, who's to say firmware in the future won't fix this issue.

[MGS4-SS]

Maybe so but you have to think about Sonys position, i read on these very forums that they are losing $200 on every console and make their money up on games, if it requires very little or no outlay to patch the system and play copies everyone will be doing it, which means less revenue.

They are losing money and they have to pay back loans. This could shorten the life of the console. If games are easy to pirate developers will go elsewhere and the library of games will suffer.

SCEA (what I think you mean, not SONY as in the whole company) still sells the PS2, and it sells well. The PS3, like any other console when it launches, doesn't create revenue (well, maybe the Wii). SCEA looses money in the PS3, but they gain money with the PS2 and its games.

And even if SCEA catastrophically fails, some other division of SONY (and I'm looking at Sony Pictures because of the launch of Casino Royale and the almighty Spiderman 3 next year) will come to the aid.

No company in the world would put all their balls in one basket (in this case the PS3). No company would risk everything on one single product.

[Sheppard]

Ok, so the PS3 isn't riding on the success of the PS2. Seeing as how the PS2 was more successful than the PS1. Heck the PS2 is still outselling the 360.

Yes but the PS2 was lies after lies, it can render Toy Story, it can process/compute human emotions, not to mention defective consoles all throughout its life which is why a class action lawsuit was brought against them. I would like to think people will have learnt from their PS2 experiences like me.

The debt doesn't have much to do with the PS3, it's more of a Sony thing, when I buy the PS3 after a price drop I'm not going to think about Sony being in debt with huge loans.

Of course it does, if their only source of revenue is software and people are able to play games without any external device or a modchip its going to severly affect their earnings. Which means less games when developers turn away when they arent making profits.

Plus, the PS2 is still outselling the 360 so I don't see how Sony doing no wrong has much to do with the selling of a console. Even after rootkits and exploding batteries and class action lawsuits about defective consoles the PS2 is outselling the 360, shows you only "fans" like to argue about this kind of crap on the internet, the general population doesn't care.

This is one pet hate of mine when people try to argue that the PS2 sells more because its better, the PS2 is 5 years old, it has 5 years back catalogue of some classic games, its also $200+ less than the Xbox 360, of course its going to sell more, people who use that argument are clutching at straws.

Plus most people don't care about Sony's lies and promises. You are not dating your console. You are playing games on it. It is what it is, the games will speak for themselves. If Sony says it will be the bestest console of all time and the games are crap then it will fail, if the games are fun and they have great exclusives then it will succeed. In the end it doesn't matter if Sony said it will be 1000 times faster than the 360, the games will speak for them self when they are released.

I assure you they do care, whos going to want to pay $600 for a console thats built on lies and misinformation, its turned me away, its turned all my friends away, and its turned a big chunk of people away on the news sites, forums, gaming sites, technology sites, irc, etc....

Plus, who's to say firmware in the future won't fix this issue.

Just like the PSP firmware updates fixed that........oh wait you can play every iso game from the memory stick with v3.0 support on the way.

[mufdvr3669]

"Yes but the PS2 was lies after lies, it can render Toy Story, it can process/compute human emotions, not to mention defective consoles all throughout its life which is why a class action lawsuit was brought against them. I would like to think people will have learnt from their PS2 experiences like me."

Again, yeah they lied. Who cares. Are you dating your console??? In the end it comes down to are the games fun. Most users didn't care what Sony said. Proof, the PS2 sold very well and guess what, it still is. Proof that the only people who care are the "fans" of other consoles.

"Of course it does, if their only source of revenue is software and people are able to play games without any external device or a modchip its going to severly affect their earnings. Which means less games when developers turn away when they arent making profits."

Earning and money are Sony's problems. I use Windows XP because I like it. Not because MS has $1 or $100 billion dollars. I will buy a PS3 due to games. Not because Sony has $100 billion dollars or are $100 billion in debt.

"This is one pet hate of mine when people try to argue that the PS2 sells more because its better, the PS2 is 5 years old, it has 5 years back catalogue of some classic games, its also $200+ less than the Xbox 360, of course its going to sell more, people who use that argument are clutching at straws."

But, but, but, but Sony lied so much. There is no possible way for them to be selling all those consoles still. They are full of lies, deceit, rootkits, explodo batteries, defective consoles. Everybody hates them so much.</sarcasm>

"I assure you they do care, whos going to want to pay $600 for a console thats built on lies and misinformation, its turned me away, its turned all my friends away, and its turned a big chunk of people away on the news sites, forums, gaming sites, technology sites, irc, etc...."

See above, most people really don't care.

"Just like the PSP firmware updates fixed that........oh wait you can play every iso game from the memory stick with v3.0 support on the way."

Oh wait, I can burn any PS2 game and using a boot cd can play any game. No way Sony is going to make any money off of the PS2. Right.....right??? </sarcasm.

Edited December 2, 2006 by mufdvr3669

[Quactaur]

I agree with the point made above: Mods have been available for the 360, PS2 and PS, and they've still sold, and are selling, plenty of games. The PS3 is so expensive, and depends so much on unmodified hardware (for online play) that i can't see many people risking their console to play pirated games.

With the huge size of games on PS3 (I'm not here to start arguing as to whether it's padding or more content) and the cost of burning Blu-ray media, it's going to be a niche area for the forseable future.

The hyperdrive is a simple but effective solution. I think it would be very interesting if it allowed you to put the drive into a case that fits with the PS3's look and feel.

[Gavin001]

well if the blu ray games are gona be what sony say they are at around 10-20GB! I for one wudnt be downloading 20GB for a game! And also with alot of people having limited Bandwidth they wudnt be wasting so much on games!