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#31 +Brandon Live

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 16:24

FYI, installing drivers without a digital signature is a pretty bad idea. Signing is enforced on x64 versions for a reason.


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Posted 30 July 2007 - 16:47

FYI, installing drivers without a digital signature is a pretty bad idea. Signing is enforced on x64 versions for a reason.


i trust unwinder (rivatuner developer) and peerguardian crew. Its not like there are any other better alternatives

I still don't feel like MS should force this on the user, should be a way to disable it

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 16:57

FYI, installing drivers without a digital signature is a pretty bad idea. Signing is enforced on x64 versions for a reason.


signing is "enforced" because of stuff like rootkits i believe.

other than that, having enforced signing is a pain in the ass.

some of the best drivers are unsigned.

hell, i'll never find signed drivers for my STB TV PCI card. the card came out in 1996. STB was purchased and killed by 3dfx, and 3dfx was purchased and killed by NVidia. there will never be new drivers for the card. unsigned/homemade is all that i have.

under x64 Vista, the card worked perfectly.

others will gladly point out other programs that work great with unsigned drivers.

people have been customizing their video drivers for years as well. so much as looking at the INF funny breaks the signing process. when something is KNOWN to be perfectly safe, its silly to have the OS block the drivers because you don't pay Microsoft extra money over and over and over to have them re-sign the drivers for every modification by every person.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 17:02

people have been customizing their video drivers for years as well. so much as looking at the INF funny breaks the signing process. when something is KNOWN to be perfectly safe, its silly to have the OS block the drivers because you don't pay Microsoft extra money over and over and over to have them re-sign the drivers for every modification by every person.


i agree what you said, but you are confusing digital signatures with WHQL. pretty much everyone can get their own digital signatures, just forgot how much it cost. MS is the one that makes WHQL signatures.

changing INF file will not break digital signature, digital signatures are actually on the exe/dll files them self.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 18:21

Which is why if you actually bypass the check on signed drivers, you may actually be installing a tampered version of a particular program. For example a site may be distributing a malware-infected Catalyst or Forceware driver version, but you won't have any idea since you're forcing Vista to not even check the signature.

Of course it's rare that downloading Rivatuner from the proper source like Guru3D is going to result in malware infection, but still the check is there for a reason so just turning it off altogether is not a smart move.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 18:42

Of course it's rare that downloading Rivatuner from the proper source like Guru3D is going to result in malware infection, but still the check is there for a reason so just turning it off altogether is not a smart move.

the problem is that if you don't disable that check, you can't use rivatuner at all on 64bit driver


"What's "Blue-Ray?" never heard of it.

its not MS fault that sony can't spell blue correclty :whistle:

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 19:39

well Windows6.0-KB938979-x86 caused me to not be able create or rename folders so i uninstalled it

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 19:40

I've just installed this (x86) and there is a very noticeable speed-up in copying/moving files, good stuff! :) Haven't had time to really test anything else, but so far, so good. :)

EDIT: sCrAtCh420th: I didn't have any problems creating/renaming/deleting folders... looks like that may be an isolated issue?

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 19:52

well i might have to figure what caused it i know the other update works fine with no problems

#40 Lexcyn

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 19:58

Which is why if you actually bypass the check on signed drivers, you may actually be installing a tampered version of a particular program. For example a site may be distributing a malware-infected Catalyst or Forceware driver version, but you won't have any idea since you're forcing Vista to not even check the signature.

Of course it's rare that downloading Rivatuner from the proper source like Guru3D is going to result in malware infection, but still the check is there for a reason so just turning it off altogether is not a smart move.

Sure the check is there for a good reason - But I'm not sure a novice user would knowingly disable this, since previously it required a bit of advanced knowledge to permanently disable (well, Googling knowledge but still). So I really don't think the average user would be bothered by having a way to permanently disable driver sign checks.

#41 DigitalE

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 20:00

Definitely a performance increase on my system! :D

#42 J2733

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 20:23

Is this update just for 64bit version?

#43 Det. Sonny-Crockett

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 20:23

Damnit i just reinstalled XP too..Oh boy now time to reinstall Vista YAY

#44 bdsams

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 20:30

Anyone know when this will go offical?

#45 d3nuo

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 20:31

these work great but i can't run the system rating tool anymore! hmmmm luckily that's the only issue i ran in to and it's minor because my score can't go any higher.



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