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#1 Steven P.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:40

I'm sure many are aware about certain members of this board that can be overly critical about anything that's posted in relation to Stardock.

Many of the critical responses to software or anything related to the company in our news and forums are unfair and unfounded, there are a few things these members should note before adding little or nothing more than trolling to such posts on Neowin.

  • Neowin is now part owned by Stardock (40%) and the decision to invest in Neowin was a majority vote by its shareholders. The other 60% is shared between myself and (Redmak) Marcel Klum, the site founders. This agreement was completed in February 2005
  • Neowin would still be on leased servers if it weren't for Stardock investing in the new company that was created (Neowin LLC).
  • Neowin now has assets (4 servers) fully owned by Neowin LLC (not Stardock, but it was their investment that enabled us to buy them).
  • Neowin does not have corporate branding since this agreement and never will, thanks to Stardocks understanding that Neowin needs to remain in its current form.
  • Neowin has changed for the better due to the investments made, and now has full legal backing should we ever get into trouble again (the Microsoft incident of 2003).
  • Neowin can now send its staff to any tech event, fully paid by the revenue and accounting staff that monitor our financial health; before, they paid their own way.
  • Neowin has also held a staff meet-up since 2005 and paid for that too, a moral boosting event that otherwise would be much more difficult to do.

Plus I want to point out that the level of Stardock "promotion" on Neowin hasn't changed before or since the formation of Neowin LLC. Brad has been a member here since 2002 and we've had Stardock news and the WindowBlinds dedicated area since then too. It is a small price to pay for the level of investment Stardock and Brad has invested in Neowin.

I can fully understand why Brad feels frustrated at the level of abuse he gets from certain members, when you look at what he has meant to our community and yours.

Money makes this site what it is, and without it we will disappear, then you'll have to move on to the next forum to criticize the webmasters for seeking investment help and so on and so on.

Please people, grow up and realize that it could be much worse, but due to Brad Wardell's admiration of this site it isn't the corporate machine that some believe it to be.

I reckon some of our members from 2001/2002 and beyond can vouch for this too, Neowin has only ever improved its services to you, be thankful of it and Brads support if you want it to stay that way.


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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:43

201/2002


Noticed a typo there Neobond. :)

#3 Sophism

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:46

The website now is miles better then back when i signed up. Both in quality of posts and the quality of the servers


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#4 Osiris

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:47

I didnt know neowin was for sale..what price did you get? Wanna go thirdsies?

Consequently, I had no idea of this until now and as such ill be keeping my eyes open to your 'loose' moral corporate ways :devil:

#5 Sethos

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:48

So is this a crackdown on pure trolling and flaming comments towards Stardock or is this prohibiting any negative discussion?

#6 OP Steven P.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:49

Originally Brad didn't want to promote the idea that we were part owned by Stardock (because of the abusive reactions) and that's why it was never publicized but it has been mentioned a few times and it's time to clear up any speculation on the matter.

@ MichaelBL: no there is no policy change at all, I just felt that Brad is targeted unfairly by some people.

#7 Mike

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:49

few things i can see that may/can/will have annoyed people:

1. It would appear frogboy/brad became admin after stardock bought into neowin and so people can see that as buying admin rights, not something that is good. (If thats not the case, i'll remove this point :p)
2. Having any site hosted on a single upstream provider is a bad idea, especially if it is cogent (far too many problems)
3. Wasn't it denied for a while that stardock had anything to do with neowin?

I'd guess some people have problems with Frogboy/Brad too, I know I do

#8 wctaiwan

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:52

1. its criticizers, not it's. :p
2. Meh.

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#9 Neil

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:53

3. Wasn't it denied for a while that stardock had anything to do with neowin?


Thats what I thought, but still I don't mind really as long as this does not cause to much of a backlash, the only thing is I thought been a subscriber helped costs, but it seems they are getting the money anyway :unsure:

#10 OP Steven P.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:53

few things i can see that may/can/will have annoyed people:

1. It would appear frogboy/brad became admin after stardock bought into neowin and so people can see that as buying admin rights, not something that is good. (If thats not the case, i'll remove this point :p)
Wouldn't you want to be at the highest level of your company?

2. Having any site hosted on a single upstream provider is a bad idea, especially if it is cogent (far too many problems)
Nothing to do with Stardock

3. Wasn't it denied for a while that stardock had anything to do with neowin?
Only on a corporate, decision making level. The fact that Brad is owner of Stardock and Neowin LLC is entirely seperate in the decision making process

I'd guess some people have problems with Frogboy/Brad too, I know I do
Care to elaborate?



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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:53

few things i can see that may/can/will have annoyed people:

1. It would appear frogboy/brad became admin after stardock bought into neowin and so people can see that as buying admin rights, not something that is good. (If thats not the case, i'll remove this point :p)
2. Having any site hosted on a single upstream provider is a bad idea, especially if it is cogent (far too many problems)
3. Wasn't it denied for a while that stardock had anything to do with neowin?

I'd guess some people have problems with Frogboy/Brad too, I know I do


1. Not the case at all (we'd never let anyone buy themselves admin rights on Neowin)
2. true
3. There was a time when Stardock had nothing to do with Neowin (even when Brad was already a member)

#12 OP Steven P.

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:56

Thats what I thought, but still I don't mind really as long as this does not cause to much of a backlash, the only thing is I thought been a subscriber helped costs, but it seems they are getting the money anyway :unsure:

You buy enhanced services, as I already said Stardock made an investment that we have to pay back. Neowin survives on Ad revenue and your subscribing to additional services, not hand-outs ;)

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:56

Thats what I thought, but still I don't mind really as long as this does not cause to much of a backlash, the only thing is I thought been a subscriber helped costs, but it seems they are getting the money anyway :unsure:


That's exactly what I thought when I read #1 on Neobond's original post.

#14 Neil

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 10:57

You buy enhanced services, as I already said Stardock made an investment that we have to pay back. Neowin survives on Ad revenue and your subscribing to additional services, not hand-outs ;)


Fare enough if Stardocks investment helps you survive then fare enough, it can't be easy.

#15 Keito

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Posted 12 May 2008 - 11:00

I guess I'm a minority then... I actually think it's really great that frogboy is a member here, he's helped me answer some questions about stardock products before I bought them.

Didn't know NW is partially owned by stardock though - but I don't really 'care', it's all for the better. Besides, rather stardock buying part of neowin than a 'hostile' take-over due to financial problems @ NW HQ