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#16 majortom1981

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 22:21

Well...no. As explained in the article things have been rearranged so higher process levels no longer directly interact with low level processes. This is a recipe for disaster (BSODs etc)..

So essentially Win7 has the same Kernel, but sorted properly into levels of processes.



Exactly its really still the same. Its not radically changed . Just made so the lower level stuff doesnt need to call the higher level things.


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 22:22

And just to noobify the thread, what the hell is Minwin :p


Long Zheng posted a good article about it here last year. Check it out :)

#18 Sethos

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 22:25

Long Zheng posted a good article about it here last year. Check it out :)


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#19 y_notm

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 22:31

Well...no. As explained in the article things have been rearranged so higher process levels no longer directly interact with low level processes. This is a recipe for disaster (BSODs etc)..

Not really. It's mainly to speed and ease development and testing of the OS. THey aren't changing things that make it inherently more stable.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 22:40

Not really. It's mainly to speed and ease development and testing of the OS. THey aren't changing things that make it inherently more stable.

Theoratically it does - well according to the Windows Server example.

What I mean by this is the reason its not reccomended to install regular applications on servers is because they generally have default low level access, which can mash things up. Once a virus gets in there, it can do whatever the hell it likes with low level stuff.

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 00:56

i think they succeeded in making 7 more efficient. lets just hope it stays that way through rtm

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 01:04

Well its kernel 6.1 so yes, its not identical to Vista(6.0) but we already knew that for years now. Plus from what I hear most the changes are Optimizations then changes in how it functions.

Someone said an example of when ONLY planing a DVD on a laptop, Win7 gets almost another Hr out of the battery then Vista does with identical laptops.

#23 OP vetOwen W

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 01:55

Well its kernel 6.1 so yes, its not identical to Vista(6.0) but we already knew that for years now. Plus from what I hear most the changes are Optimizations then changes in how it functions.

Someone said an example of when ONLY planing a DVD on a laptop, Win7 gets almost another Hr out of the battery then Vista does with identical laptops.


It's pretty sweet eh. What really annoys me is people flaming MS because 7 is built on Vista, but in reality, XP was built on Windows 2000 as well. It's the same thing, yet people are going on about how it should never be done

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 02:26

MinWin isn't a feature or a product or a kernel. It's more an effort and set of guidelines and such.

#25 andrew_f

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 02:29

Thanks for clearing it up. I personally couldn't care less how Windows is made more functional, stable and fast as long as in time it does.

#26 jjrambo

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 03:13

I use Amiga OS 4. :yes: . love it.

#27 Mordkanin

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 07:39

Oh god. It's back. The last time this thread popped up (A couple of weeks ago), it was mostly post after post of people showing off just how much they don't know what they're talking about...

Edited by MioTheGreat, 04 December 2008 - 07:44.


#28 OP vetOwen W

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 09:47

Oh god. It's back. The last time this thread popped up (A couple of weeks ago), it was mostly post after post of people showing off just how much they don't know what they're talking about...


And of course you do, right?

#29 mad_onion

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 11:56

And of course you do, right?


yes, him and brandon are the people you should listen to to actually get accurate information on a topic.

#30 XerXis

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 12:06

And of course you do, right?


well, both him and brandon live are working in redmond, so yes, i guess he does ;)