Study finds Death link to too much red meat

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

Death link to too much red meat

Scientists have produced new evidence suggesting eating lots of red and processed meat damages health.

They found big meat eaters had a raised risk of death from all causes over a 10-year period.

In contrast, a higher intake of white meat was associated with a slightly reduced risk of death over the same period.

The US study, featured in Archives of Internal Medicine, was based on more than 500,000 people.

People eating the most meat were eating about 160g of red or processed meat per day - approximately a 6oz steak.

Those who ate the least were only getting about 25g per day - approximately a small rasher of bacon.

Conversely, those who ate the highest proportion of white meat had a lower risk of overall death, and a lower risk of fatal cancer or heart disease than those who ate the lowest proportion.

The researchers calculated that 11% of deaths in men and 16% of deaths in women during the study period could have been prevented if people had decreased their red meat consumption to the level of those in the lowest intake group.

Cancer compounds

The researchers said cancer-causing compounds were formed during high-temperature cooking of meat.

No one's saying that people should avoid bacon or burgers completely, but evidence tells us that cutting down on these foods can reduce the risk of dying from cancer and other diseases

Ed Yong

Cancer Research UK

Meat is a major source of saturated fat, which has been associated with breast and colorectal cancer.

In addition, lower meat intake has been linked to a reduction in risk factors for heart disease, including lower blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

The latest study adds to a growing body of research linking high red and processed meat consumption to an increased risk of ill health.

Recent UK research found one in ten people has tried to cut down on processed meats, such as bacon, in the wake of previous reports linking them to cancer.

Writing in the same journal, Dr Barry Popkin of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, stressed there were health benefits to eating some red meat.

But he added: "The need is for a major reduction in total meat intake, an even larger reduction in processed meat and other highly processed and salted animal source food products and a reduction in total saturated fat."

Dr Mark Wahlqvist, a nutrition expert from Australia's Monash University, said eating small amounts of red meat - around 30g a day - provided a good source of key nutrients.

He said: "Fresh, lean red meat of these amounts is likely to be of more benefit than harm."

Ed Yong, of the charity Cancer Research UK, said two large studies had now linked eating lots of red or processed meat to some cancers.

"No one's saying that people should avoid bacon or burgers completely, but evidence from large studies like this tells us that cutting down on these foods can reduce the risk of dying from cancer and other diseases."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7959128.stm

Good thing I'm a raw vegan. :punk:

[betasp]

Everything in moderation. Too much of any one thing is going to kill you.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

Everything in moderation. Too much of any one thing is going to kill you.

Salads won't kill you if eaten as much as people eat red meat...

[jonhapimp]

just stop we all you know you hate meat, this has been well known for a while

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

just stop we all you know you hate meat, this has been well known for a while

Yet people keep eating red meat in higher and higher portions every year.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

Salads won't kill you if eaten as much as people eat red meat...

But a salad will most likely be lacking in key minerals and nutrients that you need, so, in that cause, it would be too much omission.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

But a salad will most likely be lacking in key minerals and nutrients that you need, so, in that cause, it would be too much omission.

I'm sorry, but leafy greens have way more minerals and nutrients than a steak.

[fhertlein]

A well balanced diet is key. Focusing solely on one type of food source is not healthy.

All it takes is an Ecoli jalapeno, tomato or spinach leaf, and you might be dead even sooner. :yes:

[Edrick Smith]

<munches down on steak>

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

A well balanced diet is key. Focusing solely on one type of food source is not healthy.

All it takes is an Ecoli jalapeno, tomato or spinach leaf, and you might be dead even sooner. :yes:

What people should do is eat of a variety of fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds and we'd be just fine.

[scaramonga]

Nice!

I love steak, bloodier the better, and death is an extra bonus. :)

[bangbang023 Veteran]

I'm sorry, but leafy greens have way more minerals and nutrients than a steak.

You won't find any Vitamin b-12 in those leafy greens. Protein also becomes an issue as well as calcium and it's subsequent absorption.

What people should do is eat of a variety of fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds and we'd be just fine.

We're designed to eat meat. Our jaws and teeth are built to enable the break down of large pieces of meats. While we are also built to eat greens (our back teeth) you can't just ignore half of the design of your mouth.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

You won't find any Vitamin b-12 in those leafy greens. Protein also becomes an issue as well as calcium and it's subsequent absorption.

That's right, you find Vitamin B12 in a variety of other plant foods, like oats, green beans, carrots, and other low lying plants, as B12 comes from bacteria in the soil, which animals such as cows also get from the soil by eating low lying plants and grasses. What you do is eat a variety of plants and B12 is a non-issue.

Also, too much protein, such as eating lots of red meat, results in a leeching of calcium from our bones.

Calcium, I might add, that you get from almonds, kale, and broccoli.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

We're designed to eat meat. Our jaws and teeth are built to enable the break down of large pieces of meats. While we are also built to eat greens (our back teeth) you can't just ignore half of the design of your mouth.

Wrong. If we we designed to eat meat, our front teeth would be long and sharp.

Here's a picture of a true and well-known omnivore's teeth, a pig. Note the long teeth in the front for slicing through meat. I don't see any long sharp teeth on humans, do you?

[bangbang023 Veteran]

Wrong. If we we designed to eat meat, our front teeth would be long and sharp.

Here's a picture of a true and well-known omnivore's teeth, a pig. Note the long teeth in the front for slicing through meat. I don't see any long sharp teeth on humans, do you?

We have two fangs in our mouth for a reason and that reason isn't grinding up vegetables. The other front teeth in our mouth are also thinner than the back teeth to aid in the process of cutting through the meat.

The point of this article isn't to give up meat. No article has ever said to give up any kind of natural food 100%. The key is moderation. This article says people are eating too much meat. It doesn't say meat will kill you, rather, eating too much will kill you. Guess what? You can also die from drinking too much water. Should we stop that too?

[s1k3sT]

Wrong. If we we designed to eat meat, our front teeth would be long and sharp.

Here's a picture of a true and well-known omnivore's teeth, a pig. Note the long teeth in the front for slicing through meat. I don't see any long sharp teeth on humans, do you?

although they aren't "sharp" and pointy like that, i have to say that our teeth do resemble the ones in the picture you provided. by that i mean the front teeth being longer and sharper than the back.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

Another example of a true and well-documented omnivore is a grizzly bear.

Note the molars in the back for plants and the large, well defined sharp teeth in the front for meat.

If humans were true omnivores, we'd have pointed snouts and at least 4 sharp front teeth for digging into a freshly killed animal.

But no, we have a broad, flat face and rounded front teeth that are not longer than our incisors.

Therefore, we are herbivores.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

Omnivores, by definition, eat meat (as well as plant). What's your point, then? You're saying we're omnivores yet shouldn't eat meat? We'd have to be herbivores for that.

[Simon Veteran]

We're omnivore's. There is no debating that. Just because we aren't exactly like every other omnivore out there doesn't mean we aren't.

Regardless, I'm cutting down on my meat intake. Might go vegetarian in a few years (although vegan would be too much for me). But in moderation is the way I see it. Most vegetarians go vegetarian on a moral ground as well as a health ground, but for me the moral ground would be more important. Just kill less stuff.

I agree with bangbang023, though. Unless you feel bad knowing that what you're eating was once a living, breathing and feeling being, just take it in moderation. Follow the food guides. And you'll be perfectly healthy. That's why we developed such things.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

We have two fangs in our mouth for a reason and that reason isn't grinding up vegetables. The other front teeth in our mouth are also thinner than the back teeth to aid in the process of cutting through the meat.

The point of this article isn't to give up meat. No article has ever said to give up any kind of natural food 100%. The key is moderation. This article says people are eating too much meat. It doesn't say meat will kill you, rather, eating too much will kill you. Guess what? You can also die from drinking too much water. Should we stop that too?

I don't think anybody reading this thread would agree that we have "fangs" :rolleyes:

I'd really like to see you dig into a freshly killed deer with those teeth, as you were "naturally designed to do" with those big scary teeth we have. :rofl:

Hey can you point out the big fangs in this picture of a human skull?

[Simon Veteran]

At one point humans were designed to eat raw meat, wisdom teeth etc.

Evolution. We grew out of raw meat because we simply don't need to eat it anymore.

[s1k3sT]

Another example of a true and well-documented omnivore is a grizzly bear.

Note the molars in the back for plants and the large, well defined sharp teeth in the front for meat.

If humans were true omnivores, we'd have pointed snouts and at least 4 sharp front teeth for digging into a freshly killed animal.

But no, we have a broad, flat face and rounded front teeth that are not longer than our incisors.

I don't think anybody reading this thread would agree that we have "fangs" :rolleyes:

I'd really like to see you dig into a freshly killed deer with those meat, as you were "naturally designed to do" with those big scary teeth we have. :rofl:

You must be subconsciencly trying not to see the similarities, because to me they are obvious. The pig and bear both have two different types of teeth, one for plants one for meat. So do we. If you won't admit that you are lying to yourself.

[bauhaus]

I don't think anybody reading this thread would agree that we have "fangs" :rolleyes:

I'd really like to see you dig into a freshly killed deer with those teeth, as you were "naturally designed to do" with those big scary teeth we have. :rofl:

Hey can you point out the big fangs in this picture of a human skull?

What do you think the canines are?

[goji]

So no spam, bologna or hot dogs.... hmmmmm...

Whats the point of living.

[Anarcho-Capitalist]

At one point humans were designed to eat raw meat, wisdom teeth etc.

Evolution. We grew out of raw meat because we simply don't need to eat it anymore.

We've never needed to eat meat, because vegetation is all we need to sustain us.

The only reason we started to eat meat was because during cold periods, it was hard to find vegetation and animals were around to keep us from starving. Eating meat was a learned practice as civilization grew.

Nowadays, being a raw vegan is optimal, as nature intended.