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#106 Mike


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Posted 18 July 2009 - 14:14

The issue with that is that a browser would still need to already be installed and obviously thats not going to happen

There is no easy win for Microsoft, the EU and Opera

Microsoft is not going to ever include setup files for a competitor (unless they buy them out) which makes a ballot screen hard to do.

Providing links to download other browsers, requires IE to be installed, not a solution for Opera.

The only real solution I see to end all of this, is the OEM providers

Having a ballot screen doesn't require a browser at all. I said similar to the search engine option for a reason. Making a program that connects to a web site and retrieves an XML file containing browser name, download link, etc is an easy thing to do. Same goes for downloading the file, the HTTP protocol is pretty simple if you just want to download a file and wouldn't take long to code at all. If I could be bothered I could create something in under an hour that would be a simple working ballot screen with options to download the various browsers.

#107 Denis W.

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 14:26

I'm not sure the ballot screen solution is the best solution either. Wouldn't it set a bad precedent for other bundling demands to follow? Granted other apps that come bundled with Windows don't have that much of a stronghold yet in terms of marketshare - WMP would be the next distant match - but the possibility is there. And why annoy regular users that much more? You can't expect to present a Linux distro-like scenario to them where they can pick and choose what they want.

I'd favour the status quo - just continue to advertise browsers if people want to switch, even word of mouth works.

For the record, I do use their browser and think it's a decent product. I also think some of the responses up there are no more "childish" than what some of you claim Opera Software to be doing. But as another member said above, bold actions like these only antagonizes users of the browser.

#108 Imran Hussain

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 14:41

A really good free software doesnt need to pay for advertising. I think most of firefox's advertising was word of mouth, and happy users freely advertising it on their sites, etc.

I do like the opera browser, but it doesnt support roboform, which is why i used to refuse to use it.

Now i refuse to use it because they're becoming annoying as hell.

Firefox was advertised heavily through Adsense. There was a referrals ad for Firefox which payed around $1.50 per click, which is one of the reasons webmasters advertised it so heavily. It made them big bucks. That is how even the average user found out about Firefox being a good alternative to IE.
Even nowadays, Firefox advertises a lot through Google Adsense and probably other channels as well, but so do Internet Explorer and Google Chrome.
I'd say that Google has a big hand in making Firefox popular.
Too bad Opera couldn't find any such company to back them up, I wonder if that's got anything to do with their browser not being that good. :rolleyes:

#109 George P

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 15:00

I don't think a ballot screen handled on the OS side is right. That puts most of the responsibility on MS's side to support things even if the software isn't from MS, users don't care.

The best thing, and the most MS should be forced to do is offer a link (like they do for their windows live apps) in the Welcome screen. This link should direct Win7 E users to a EU sanctioned and controlled browser website/list with options the users can then pick which one they want. The site should be managed and run by the EU and so on, not MS etc.

And before anyone says "how can they visit it without IE?" The trident engine is still in win7 e since it runs the help system for lots of apps and other parts for other programs, like WMP uses it as well. So simply having it open a basic website window without the rest of the UI is not a problem.

That's as far as it should go, MS shouldn't be forced to inclue other browsers on it's install media and it shouldn't be forced to promot them with a post-install ballat screen that it should run and manage.

If the EU wants to make sure this thing is fair, they should handle the details themselfs on their side with a simple webpage.

#110 ahhell


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Posted 18 July 2009 - 15:10

Opera are a bunch of whiney little bitches.

I wish they would just STFU already.

#111 9UnknownMen



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Posted 18 July 2009 - 15:33

It would be funny if Microsoft does as they request and puts a ballot screen for browser selection in the installation process but doesn't list Opera as a choice.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. All throughout WPC they kept referring to Safari, Firefox and IE as their 'Top Tier" browsers when discussing their web apps or other browser based solutions.

Opera to me is like a random pungent fart in the wind that turns up every know and then to quease us out.

#112 Neoauld



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Posted 18 July 2009 - 22:40

i think everyone knows the ballot screen isnt enough
opera just wants their name out there as much as possible, and are playing the victim

i used opera for like 4 months while back, and i always try new betas
i use stumbleupon in firefox, and i never have an issue with page rendering
after an hour of opera, ill find wonky looking rendering or crashes or some stupid issue, or just feel limited

maybe they should address that, before implying their browser is ready to be shipped with an OS

#113 Nagisan


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Posted 18 July 2009 - 22:55

Being the best browser has its price (in this case, lack of users)....

#114 zeta_immersion


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Posted 18 July 2009 - 23:02

i am using opera, but man are these guys a cry baby or what ..!!!

#115 Panda X

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 01:35

Opera **** off.

#116 Eice



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Posted 19 July 2009 - 02:08

I've been using Opera snapshots (on 1643 now), and all I can say is that the once fastest browser on Earth has morphed into the slowest, even more so than IE8. The new theme is an utter misfit on Windows and especially Linux. Nothing much else has changed either, except for the risqué additions of Turbo and Unite – sounds-nice-on-paper-but-useless-in-reality technologies just for the sake of claiming "innovation", which is as silly as Mozilla rushing the HTML5 video/audio tags just for the sake of claiming "standards support" (in other words, not really).

Is it just me, or is there an inverse relationship between the quality of the product and the volume of whining?

#117 BigBoy



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Posted 19 July 2009 - 02:14

Is it just me, or is there an inverse relationship between the quality of the product and the volume of whining?

I'd agree... remember SCO? :rolleyes:

#118 Growled


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Posted 19 July 2009 - 02:43

I've never had much against Opera but those guys seriously need to STFU. This has gone far enough.

#119 trag3dy


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Posted 19 July 2009 - 03:22

Why not this...and if this has been suggested, sorry...I try not to pay much attention to news about the crybaby Opera lest we make their temper tantrum worse...anyways the suggestion:

Put a link in the Windows Welcome center, you know...that thing you turn off immediately after you do a clean install? The link could just take people to a web page containing info about various web browsers.

Welcome to Windows 7 - Looking for a different web browsing experience? Try one of these <insert link to browser information page here>

The only problem with that is that they've already changed IE8's behavior in the European versions.

#120 SQ1



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Posted 19 July 2009 - 03:26

Opera will be satisfied only in the day Windows start shipping in Opera as the main browser :p