Ci7 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Google is hard at work developing a 64-bit version of its open-source browser for Windows. The Mountain View-search giant indicated that work was in progress but delivered no specific availability deadline so far. According to Chromium developers Mads Sig Ager, a 64-bit (x64) flavor of Google Chrome will be offered to Windows users ?soon.? There?s no telling just what the period of time ?soon? can be translated into, but testers can already run 64-bit Chrome. At the end of the past week, Google offered the first downloadtrue 64-bit version of Chrome[/url], tailored to the Linux open-source platform. The Mountain View is focusing on adapting x64 Chrome to Linux and Mac OS X first, and only afterwards to Windows. According to Google, the heavy lifting is focused on porting the underlining V8 JavaScript engine to 64-bit platforms. ?V8 does not yet compile in 64-bit mode on Windows. We have focused on making the 64-bit version of V8 work on Linux and Mac at first. We are currently working on making the 64-bit version compile on Windows as well. We should hopefully have that done statedated[/url] when x64 Chrome for Linux was launched. Google is currently offering multiple releases of Chrome for Windows, including Chrome 4.0.202.0 through the developer channel, Build 3.0.195.6 via the Beta channel, and 2.0.172.43, the stable version. Microsoft is already offering a 64-bit version of Internet Explorer, but operating systems such as Windows 7 64-bit are still pushing the 32-bit (x86) flavor of IE8 to the front as the default browser, with the x64 variant tucked away out of sight. Users test driving 64-bit Chrome for Linux need to know that development has so far not been about performance. ?We have focused on making the 64-bit version complete, so there is still some performance tuning to be done. Currently, the performance of the 64-bit version is pretty close to the performance of the 32-bit version when Chrome 2 stable was released,? Ager added. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOC Veteran Posted August 27, 2009 Veteran Share Posted August 27, 2009 SWEET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admodieus Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hopefully this will inspire Adobe to get a 64-bit version of Flash out there. There's a reason the 64-bit version of IE is tucked away, out of sight for casual users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torrentthief Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 yep, this will likely make adobe speed up their 64bit flash development:) Would love to see an official 64bit Flash, Firefox, Silverlight, Chrome:) p.s is safari on the new mac osx snow leapord that is released tomorrow 64bit? If so are they using the linux 64bit flash, mac osx is based on unix will that work or is safari simply a 32bit version or a 64bit browser but somehow they emulate the 32bit flash to work on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted August 27, 2009 Member Share Posted August 27, 2009 Google does things so strangely. First they release an open source browser first on Windows and then they turn around and release a 64 bit version first on Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 yep, this will likely make adobe speed up their 64bit flash development:) Would love to see an official 64bit Flash, Firefox, Silverlight, Chrome:)p.s is safari on the new mac osx snow leapord that is released tomorrow 64bit? If so are they using the linux 64bit flash, mac osx is based on unix will that work or is safari simply a 32bit version or a 64bit browser but somehow they emulate the 32bit flash to work on it? for all i know it run 32bit plugin in sandbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Very nice. Bring it on Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_dandy_ Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hopefully this will inspire Adobe to get a 64-bit version of Flash out there. There's a reason the 64-bit version of IE is tucked away, out of sight for casual users. That's an interesting perspective. I use 64-bit IE because Flash doesn't work on it. I have no need whatsoever for a 64-bit browser otherwise, and I suspect that's the case for just about everybody else also. Somebody enlighten me--what does Firefox (or other browsers) need the additional address space for? Are pages getting so big that you need 64-bit pointers to render them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soumyasch Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Wouldn't 32 bit plugins like Flash and Silverlight work with it? They are anyways hosted in a different process. What's stopping them (the plug-ins) to be hosted in a 32 bit process separate from the 64 bit browser process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoapyHamHocks Member Posted August 27, 2009 Member Share Posted August 27, 2009 That's an interesting perspective. I use 64-bit IE because Flash doesn't work on it. I have no need whatsoever for a 64-bit browser otherwise, and I suspect that's the case for just about everybody else also.Somebody enlighten me--what does Firefox (or other browsers) need the additional address space for? Are pages getting so big that you need 64-bit pointers to render them? I think that a lot of people just want their programs to run in 64bit mode, regardless of any performance increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I think that a lot of people just want their programs to run in 64bit mode, regardless of any performance increase. From what I've seen Javascript is faster on 64bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 64 bit can increase performance in other ways besides just accessing more memory.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_dandy_ Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 64 bit can increase performance in other ways besides just accessing more memory.... Quantify pls, kthxbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robyholmes Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'm going to put my neck on line here... I think this is why 64bit is better: (Please tell me if I am wrong) The CPU processes 64bit of information instead of 32, which means it doesn't have the access the memory as many times. IE for a 64bit proccess on a 32bit OS it would access the RAM 2 times and but 64 is only 1 once. This is why 64bit is faster and not just because it has more RAM. God I hope I am right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torrentthief Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'm going to put my neck on line here... I think this is why 64bit is better: (Please tell me if I am wrong)The CPU processes 64bit of information instead of 32, which means it doesn't have the access the memory as many times. IE for a 64bit proccess on a 32bit OS it would access the RAM 2 times and but 64 is only 1 once. This is why 64bit is faster and not just because it has more RAM. God I hope I am right you are wrong. 64bit chrome would be a max of 15% faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robyholmes Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 you are wrong.64bit chrome would be a max of 15% faster. So how does it end up been 15% faster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xiphi Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'm glad Google is at least attempting to go 64-bit. Now, if MS would make Silverlight 64-bit, maybe Adobe will finally get off their rears and make a 64-bit Flash. One can dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjordan2001 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'm going to put my neck on line here... I think this is why 64bit is better: (Please tell me if I am wrong)The CPU processes 64bit of information instead of 32, which means it doesn't have the access the memory as many times. IE for a 64bit proccess on a 32bit OS it would access the RAM 2 times and but 64 is only 1 once. This is why 64bit is faster and not just because it has more RAM. God I hope I am right You're wrong, but not for the reason torrentthief says. No idea where he got that figure from. 64-bit is the size of the address it can hold. i.e. the size of the pointer needed to address more than 4GB of memory must be larger than 32-bit. There are advantages to the way 64-bit architecture handles memory, but if the CPU only processed 64-bits of information, our computers would be very slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberticus Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Google does things so strangely. First they release an open source browser first on Windows and then they turn around and release a 64 bit version first on Linux. One reason could be this: "Furthering Adobe's commitment to the Linux community and as part of ongoing efforts to ensure the cross-platform compatibility of Flash Player, an alpha refresh of 64-bit Adobe Flash Player 10 for Linux operating systems was released on 7/30/09 and is available for download. This offers easier, native installation on 64-bit Linux distributions and removes the need for 32-bit emulation." Because Linux already has 64bit flash. It is alpha yes, but runs very smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torrentthief Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 if you follow development of 64bit video codecs which are much more cpu intensive like x264 they get as a max 15% faster, usually 10%, the same will apply to browsers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted August 28, 2009 Veteran Share Posted August 28, 2009 Quantify pls, kthxbye When we refer to "64-bit" in this context we're actually referring to more than just 64-bit memory addressing. We're actually referring to use of the AMD64 instruction set and CPU architecture versus the x86 / i386 architecture. AMD64 provides several improvements over x86, including additional registers. These can result in faster processing speeds, for example, when running tight loops (lots of UI drawing falls into this category) with a good compiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:: Lyon :: Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 But Chrome is already fast, how much faster can it become with an x64 optimized code? O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperAFK Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 When we refer to "64-bit" in this context we're actually referring to more than just 64-bit memory addressing. We're actually referring to use of the AMD64 instruction set and CPU architecture versus the x86 / i386 architecture. AMD64 provides several improvements over x86, including additional registers. These can result in faster processing speeds, for example, when running tight loops (lots of UI drawing falls into this category) with a good compiler. Thank you brandon. I am sick of people going "lol why do u need 64 bit, does the browser need 8 gigs of memory lolol" in every thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 All we need is 64 bit plugins (Flash, Silverlight, etc) and we'd be set! mmm 64 bit browsing :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen W Veteran Posted August 28, 2009 Veteran Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hopefully this will inspire Adobe to get a 64-bit version of Flash out there. There's a reason the 64-bit version of IE is tucked away, out of sight for casual users. Didn't adobe say that they weren't gonna make a 64-bit flash client...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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