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I posted my thoughts on this game i nthe other CnC4 thread a while back. But this game ruined the CnC Tib universe for me. One of my favorite RTS games. Loved NOD and the whole mystical Kane Leader.

I have the beta and very dissapointed. No base building, no tiberium (in a tiberium game) and EALA have always been known for a horrible menu system in their games.

I posted my thoughts on this game i nthe other CnC4 thread a while back. But this game ruined the CnC Tib universe for me. One of my favorite RTS games. Loved NOD and the whole mystical Kane Leader.

I have the beta and very dissapointed. No base building, no tiberium (in a tiberium game) and EALA have always been known for a horrible menu system in their games.

Theres tiberium but god knows what you do with it..

I know you can detonate it to hurt units or blue tiberium makes them stronger..

But overall the game is poor - doesnt hold a candle to DOW2 and just plain sucks..

I like the idea behind the game play but then again I have never played a game like this before (like DOW or whatever). The game itself still needs a lot of work.

I am willing to give it a chance. Tbh the last few CnC games have been getting repetitive. Each one just seemed like a mod on top of the same engine; make some new units, add some shine and bang new CnC.

I like the idea behind the game play but then again I have never played a game like this before (like DOW or whatever). The game itself still needs a lot of work.

I am willing to give it a chance. Tbh the last few CnC games have been getting repetitive. Each one just seemed like a mod on top of the same engine; make some new units, add some shine and bang new CnC.

If you like the game style then you should definitely try Dawn of War 2 it's a good game and it'll also help you realize just how bad this game is and considering they have 2 months till it's released I cant see them making this game playable let alone any good, and well thats what EA does they take 1 game and milk it and now there making billions a year.

If you like the game style then you should definitely try Dawn of War 2 it's a good game and it'll also help you realize just how bad this game is and considering they have 2 months till it's released I cant see them making this game playable let alone any good, and well thats what EA does they take 1 game and milk it and now there making billions a year.

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Ive enjoyed DoW2 alot, its got a rough learning curve and i havent had enough time to learn it so i get my ass kicked

I just don't get it. I chose a style (support), landed my base, built as many orcas and hurricanes as I could until I reached my command point limit, and launched them against an enemy base. I sent an engineer to grab a piece of tiberium but had no idea what to do with it once I had it. I messaged others in the game about it but got no response.

Are there no more buildings? Are there no "credits" to build units with?

Me and a bunch of friends downloaded it, and after playing a few games I've come to the opinion that I just absolutely cannot stand this game. I haven't played NOD yet, but I've played all three versions of GDI (Defense, Support, and Offense, and tried the counter system out... (this unit is a good counter to this unit). Me and my friend did it (he had 10 maniacs or whatever the vehicle killing nod soldier is, and I had 10 Wolf tanks (which was supposed to be the perfect counter). 8/10 times we fought his units destroyed mine, even though mine were supposed to be the counter.

From what I can see you harvest the Tiberium (get your engineer to get it, then bring it back to base if you don't know how... ALOT of people didn't) for upgrade points, but it's pointless cause there is only one upgrade you can get so far in beta (at least for me.)

The thing that absolutely kills it for me though is the lack of base building... I just cannot wrap my head around why they would want to take this out...

The only thing that makes me even remotely consider buying this game with the way it is now is for the end of the story, but even then I'm tempted to just wait and watch the movies off youtube, and read the plot synopsis off Wikipedia.

All in all 2/10 for me... and that's being generous.

The only thing that makes me even remotely consider buying this game with the way it is now is for the end of the story, but even then I'm tempted to just wait and watch the movies off youtube, and read the plot synopsis off Wikipedia

Same :/ Usually C&C games are a blind buy for me, they aren't amazing nowadays but they are enjoyable. Removing base building totally ruins it for me, it's just not a C&C game.

I somehow doubt that EA will bother to redesign it this late in the day tho, especially since they are pretty deadline driven.

There are lots of upgrades but you have to level up to unlock them. Of course if the other team out levels you then it's nearly impossible to beat them because they have the advantage with more upgrades. The Defense class is pretty much the base builder in the game. The defense MCV has a shield as well as a bunch turrets and missile towers. Plus it has the nuke/ion cannon. Once you've got the 3rd tier tech you can build uber cannons which combined with the support/assault units you've got a virtually impenetrable line.

It seems kind of pointless unless everybody in the game is at the same level but it's hard to find a game with balanced teams. Usually there's a few max. level players on one side that ends up steamrolling the other team. There's really not much to it anyways. Capture the key points and gather tiberium. The defense holds the line with turrets while the support and assault players provide back up and seize other control points. Advance and corner them then it's over.

EA had a chance last year. When the community warned them that the path they are taking the game will fail. They had their chance but now its too late for anything drastic to change. Its a shame really. I seriously dont know what they were thinking.

I do, DoW2 = popular RA3 + C&C 3 = Above average, they pretty much figured the only way to give the fans what they want a game which does something new adds a bit of life into the C&C games so it's not just the same old game and rather than actually come up with something new and exciting they then decided to just rip off a good game (DoW2) which has new features and a new game style and then gave EA LA a year to make this new game.

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