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#1 polyarchist

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:32

Hello everybody, I've been reading this forum for a long time and decided to finally post something I felt was lacking in this subforum.

I've been using Firefox since before it was called Firefox, and I've switched to Chrome last year but recently I've been using Opera 11 and its become my default browser.

Why Firefox is lacking: The interface is terribly slow compared to the other 2 browsers, Gecko is notorious for being very slow due to the sheer amount of code, and even the Minefield nightlies continue to lag behind even Chrome and Opera stable versions in terms of compliance and speed. While it may have the biggest amount of extensions, it is only this fact that is keeping people in the Firefox world. Once extensions development approaches the comprehensiveness of Firefox's ecosystem, I see many users going to Chrome instead of Firefox. In other words, unless Mozilla can rewrite Firefox from scratch, I don't see how it can possibly compete with the Webkit browsers alone and I can see Chrome being the #2 browser for Windows by 2014 or so.

Why Chrome is lacking: Despite its massive gains over Firefox in terms of speed, compliance and UI responsiveness, it still has a lot of basic issues to deal with that continue to be ignored by Google: Why can't I manage the cache? Why can't I delete my history upon exiting the browser. I would say that that has a lot of to do with the spying that Chrome does with your browsing sessions. It can't create a profile of your browsing habits efficiently if you keep clearing out your history, as many people would choose to do. Also, the download manager is terrible and copy and paste functions continue to be extremely buggy on many website. Why does it have to save every torrent file I open? Why does it have to open the download bar when I right click save an image? All these things should have been fixed by now, but they aren't, because Google is too busy on only 2 things: 1) Performance 2) Finding new ways to mine your data, such as their sync, cloud print, and DNS options. While Chrome is faster than Firefox in many ways, it is not as good a browser in terms of features and privacy options, simply because Google is an advertising company, and the more control you have over your browser, the less of your data it can keep. There's a reason why there's an 11 page thread on this forum called "Things you hate about Chrome", you know!

Why Opera is best: Recent benchmarks show that Opera is similar to Chrome in terms of speed, and the interface is just as responsive while still using less memory than Chrome (but still more memory than Firefox) Best of all, Opera 11 now has extensions that are very similar to Chrome and every Chrome extension can be easily ported to Opera. Through these open standards, it is easier than ever to write an extension for a browser. With Opera, you get all the strengths of both Firefox and Chrome: You get Chrome's speed and Firefox's featureset, with even more built-in, like native content blocking, email, IRC, etc. You even get built-in Greasemonkey script support! There is really no reason to use either Chrome or Firefox when Opera simply combines the two in a lightweight installation.

Try Opera 11 when it becomes stable this month, guys, and get all the benefits of Chrome while not sacrificing even the basic browser that Firefox provides, and start from scratch with its new extension support.


#2 Tony.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:35

Hello everybody, I've been reading this forum for a long time and decided to finally post something I felt was lacking in this subforum.

I've been using Firefox since before it was called Firefox, and I've switched to Chrome last year but recently I've been using Opera 11 and its become my default browser.

Why Firefox is lacking: The interface is terribly slow compared to the other 2 browsers, Gecko is notorious for being very slow due to the sheer amount of code, and even the Minefield nightlies continue to lag behind even Chrome and Opera stable versions in terms of compliance and speed. While it may have the biggest amount of extensions, it is only this fact that is keeping people in the Firefox world. Once extensions development approaches the comprehensiveness of Firefox's ecosystem, I see many users going to Chrome instead of Firefox. In other words, unless Mozilla can rewrite Firefox from scratch, I don't see how it can possibly compete with the Webkit browsers alone and I can see Chrome being the #2 browser for Windows by 2014 or so.

Why Chrome is lacking: Despite its massive gains over Firefox in terms of speed, compliance and UI responsiveness, it still has a lot of basic issues to deal with that continue to be ignored by Google: Why can't I manage the cache? Why can't I delete my history upon exiting the browser. I would say that that has a lot of to do with the spying that Chrome does with your browsing sessions. It can't create a profile of your browsing habits efficiently if you keep clearing out your history, as many people would choose to do. Also, the download manager is terrible and copy and paste functions continue to be extremely buggy on many website. Why does it have to save every torrent file I open? Why does it have to open the download bar when I right click save an image? All these things should have been fixed by now, but they aren't, because Google is too busy on only 2 things: 1) Performance 2) Finding new ways to mine your data, such as their sync, cloud print, and DNS options. While Chrome is faster than Firefox in many ways, it is not as good a browser in terms of features and privacy options, simply because Google is an advertising company, and the more control you have over your browser, the less of your data it can keep. There's a reason why there's an 11 page thread on this forum called "Things you hate about Chrome", you know!

Why Opera is best: Recent benchmarks show that Opera is similar to Chrome in terms of speed, and the interface is just as responsive while still using less memory than Chrome (but still more memory than Firefox) Best of all, Opera 11 now has extensions that are very similar to Chrome and every Chrome extension can be easily ported to Opera. Through these open standards, it is easier than ever to write an extension for a browser. With Opera, you get all the strengths of both Firefox and Chrome: You get Chrome's speed and Firefox's featureset, with even more built-in, like native content blocking, email, IRC, etc. You even get built-in Greasemonkey script support! There is really no reason to use either Chrome or Firefox when Opera simply combines the two in a lightweight installation.

Try Opera 11 when it becomes stable this month, guys, and get all the benefits of Chrome while not sacrificing even the basic browser that Firefox provides, and start from scratch with its new extension support.



I stopped reading after that...

#3 fhpuqrgrpgvirzhpujbj

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:36

Nice rant but I'll stick with Firefox.

#4 +TCLN Ryster

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:38

Yeah, but the logo sucks (only 50% joking) :)

Seriously though... Opera 11 wastes space.... the Menu button could be alongside your first tab. Instead though it's above and you have all that glass above your tabs just wasted. Secondly, separate search bars are completely and utterly unnecessary. Can I remove it and search from the address bar like most other browsers are doing now?

#5 OP polyarchist

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:39

I stopped reading after that...

You think Chrome is just being handed out for free and Google gets nothing out of it? What do you think an advertising company does?

#6 fhpuqrgrpgvirzhpujbj

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:42

You think Chrome is just being handed out for free and Google gets nothing out of it? What do you think an advertising company does?

Google is more than an ad company lol

#7 Tom

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:42

I have to say I agree and when I try to tell people exactly what you're saying they call me a "Opera fanboy". Opera has passed Chrome a few times in terms of speed, kinda putting Chrome to the back bench.

Opera is a great browser, it just doesn't have the advertising platform to jump from like every other of the four main browsers does. It's actually quite amazing that people use a web browser MADE by a advertising company that is WELL KNOWN for stealing your data. Yes, I'm talking about Chrome.

#8 OP polyarchist

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:45

Google is more than an ad company lol

Yeah, that's for sure. I was using Chromium so I wouldn't have to install that extra stuff that comes bundled with Chrome that isn't open-source. Opera may be closed-sourced but I trust Opera more than I do Google.

I have to say I agree and when I try to tell people exactly what you're saying they call me a "Opera fanboy". Opera has passed Chrome a few times in terms of speed, kinda putting Chrome to the back bench.

Opera is a great browser, it just doesn't have the advertising platform to jump from like every other of the four main browsers does. It's actually quite amazing that people use a web browser MADE by a advertising company that is WELL KNOWN for stealing your data. Yes, I'm talking about Chrome.

I mean, seriously, Chrome doesn't even let you manage your cache or auto-delete your history like Firefox and Opera can and people still think Chrome is not recording browsing habits. It's shocking to me how much people have an almost religious trust in Google despite these obvious red flags.

#9 ncc50446

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:45

Yeah, but the logo sucks (only 50% joking) :)

Seriously though... Opera 11 wastes space.... the Menu button could be alongside your first tab. Instead though it's above and you have all that glass above your tabs just wasted. Secondly, separate search bars are completely and utterly unnecessary. Can I remove it and search from the address bar like most other browsers are doing now?

Yes, you can search from the address bar. Default is Google. The search bar gives search suggestions though :)
Also for me, the menu button is beside the first tab. It's that way by default. You can move it up if you wish though, but I like it beside the first tab.

#10 e-berlin.org

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:45

Opera was the first prophet, it was always better and faster than Chrome, but lacks features compared with FF. Oh, and I'm a Linux (Mint) user now and I don't like to f**k up my system by installing a new build every day.. so I stick with FF until Opera 11.x Final comes out ;]

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:46

I would say that that has a lot of to do with the spying that Chrome does with your browsing sessions. It can't create a profile of your browsing habits efficiently if you keep clearing out your history, as many people would choose to do. Also, the download manager is terrible and copy and paste functions continue to be extremely buggy on many website.


This would explain why I was just able to click on a "Clear browsing data" item in the chrome menu.

Why Opera is best: Recent benchmarks show that Opera is similar to Chrome in terms of speed, and the interface is just as responsive while still using less memory than Chrome (but still more memory than Firefox) Best of all, Opera 11 now has extensions that are very similar to Chrome and every Chrome extension can be easily ported to Opera. Through these open standards, it is easier than ever to write an extension for a browser. With Opera, you get all the strengths of both Firefox and Chrome: You get Chrome's speed and Firefox's featureset, with even more built-in, like native content blocking, email, IRC, etc. You even get built-in Greasemonkey script support! There is really no reason to use Opera when simply combines the two in a lightweight installation.


I can tell you a good reason why one would use Chrome. Personally I like the minimalism of Chrome, which Opera lacks. Why do I need an Email or IRC thing in my browser. I don't use a separate email app and already have an IRC client that is loads better. Plus you can't get any lighter than a ZIP file as far as installation goes. I've not installed a version of either Firefox or Chrome in quite some time.

Try Opera 11 when it becomes stable this month, guys, and get all the benefits of Chrome while not sacrificing even the basic browser that Firefox provides, and start from scratch with its new extension support.


Or I can keep using my firefox and chrome which has all the same things from the start.

#12 OP polyarchist

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 00:54

This would explain why I was just able to click on a "Clear browsing data" item in the chrome menu.

This is not the same as clearing your history upon exit, and there is no option to go into incognito mode every time within the browser. You have to actually add some information to the shortcut, which Google knows most people simply won't do.

I can tell you a good reason why one would use Chrome. Personally I like the minimalism of Chrome, which Opera lacks. Why do I need an Email or IRC thing in my browser. I don't use a separate email app and already have an IRC client that is loads better. Plus you can't get any lighter than a ZIP file as far as installation goes. I've not installed a version of either Firefox or Chrome in quite some time.

I don't use email or IRC either. It doesn't even get in my way. I just think it's funny that a Chrome installation is 30 MB while the Opera 11 installation is only 7 MB despite all that extra stuff. :whistle:

#13 tomjol

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:03

BAWWW GOOGLE ARE SPYING ON ME!!!!!

If they want to feed my search history into a set of algorithms to figure out the ads to display for me so that (a) I can get those most relevant to me and (b) they can make more money so they keep providing me with lots of software and services for free, then I'm fine with it.

#14 -Razorfold

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:05

I can tell you a good reason why one would use Chrome. Personally I like the minimalism of Chrome, which Opera lacks. Why do I need an Email or IRC thing in my browser. I don't use a separate email app and already have an IRC client that is loads better. Plus you can't get any lighter than a ZIP file as far as installation goes. I've not installed a version of either Firefox or Chrome in quite some time.

The email and IRC things don't load unless YOU want them. So they don't take up any extra memory.

The Opera "installer" is just quite simply a 7-zip extraction, so it's pretty much the same thing as the Chrome mini-installer. In terms of file size, Opera takes the win (it's 4x smaller than Chromium 10). And in terms of memory, Chrome takes the win. Neither use atrocious amounts and, like most people here, I have plenty of space / memory so its not like that comparison matters much anyways.

In terms of minimalistic design, both chrome and opera are pretty much identical (apart from Opera having like 2 more buttons on the bar...oh shocking, so much space wasted :rolleyes: )

Seriously though... Opera 11 wastes space.... the Menu button could be alongside your first tab. Instead though it's above and you have all that glass above your tabs just wasted. Secondly, separate search bars are completely and utterly unnecessary. Can I remove it and search from the address bar like most other browsers are doing now?

The menu button is alongside your first tab when the screen is maximized.

And yes you can search from the address bar, making the search bar useless. Basically the way Opera works is you have a bunch of search engines (Google, Bing, Wikipedia etc) and if you want to search them you type the following into the address bar (without quotes obviously):

Bing - "b I want cookies"
Google - "g I want cookies"
Wikipedia - "w I want cookies"

And you can obviously add more search engines / modify the letter identifiers (the letter you put before your search term to let Opera know which search engine you want to use).

#15 B0mberman

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:05

what about the flaws of Opera aswell?



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