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^ hahaha

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[quote name='Educated Idiot' timestamp='1298248627' post='593718376']
KDE is too glossy to be a Mac clone. If anything, they'll rip off Windows 7 since a lot of the wanna-be Aero work is already there. If you're going
to copy someone else's design, might as well make it easy on yourself!

I kid, I kid.
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It was rumored that Windows 7 was a rip off of KDE.

As for the distro, I will pass. It is not something I would pay for.

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So it's an OS X ripoff? Yeah, I'll stick to the real thing.

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Oh god, not another distro. Please god think of the children!!!

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[quote name='Orange Battery' timestamp='1298072955' post='593713510']
To me its just a new theme if its based on something else.
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You just summed up the vast majority of Linux distributions. Kudos!

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[quote name='Jan' timestamp='1298049824' post='593712524']
Mac called - they want their UI back.
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BSD called - they want Apple to kill themselves.

Seriously though, Apple needs to make their own OS without BSD.

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[quote name='.Neo' timestamp='1298120179' post='593714474']
Funny you should say that btw, because for some reason these things in the Linux landscape have a tendency to "evolve on their own" only after Apple introduced it to the public.
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You do know how Mac OS came about in the first place, right?

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[quote name='stablemist' timestamp='1299478518' post='593764796']
BSD called - they want Apple to kill themselves.

Seriously though, Apple needs to make their own OS without BSD.
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The people who wrote the BSD code base wanted companies like NeXT/Apple to do what they did.
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[*] Take "good code" rather than poorly re-inventing the wheel
[*] Contribute changes and bug fixes back to the original project (this is optional, but it's always appreciated)
[*] Leave in 'advertising' promoting BSD in comments.
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They never particularly cared about somebody using BSD code to turn a profit or bundling up their code with some new stuff and calling it a new product.

If they didn't want that to happen they could have made a license that prohibited for-profit derivative work, mandated that any linked code be opensource as well, or demanded that any changes be made public (Apple does this already, but it isn't required).

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[quote name='The Grinch' timestamp='1299480431' post='593764838']
im shocked to see that this new distro wants to charge
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I swear some people can't read. Or are too lazy to do so. They don't charge, you can simply preorder the CD, which is just a nice way of them to thank you for donating to the project.

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That's actually the first decent Linux email client I've ever seen. Other than that, I'm not really a fan of OSX skins, but if the OS is stable and feels great to use, I might give it a try.

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[quote name='farmeunit' timestamp='1299480165' post='593764830']
You do know how Mac OS came about in the first place, right?
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Apple bought and licensed things over time while developing their own applications, frameworks and interface on top of that? Beyond that they currently make use of BSD code and share their improvements with the open source community.

Linux devs just crack me up lately. Apple introduced iOS-like scroll bars that disappear when not in use in the first Mac OS X Lion Developer Preview. Within three weeks Ubuntu suddenly has something similar as well in their beta. Implemented not quite as nicely of course. I'm guessing that too "evolved on its own" and we can yet again write it off as pure coincidence it was introduced after Apple did the same thing.

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Honestly? I like it.
Better a okay rip-off than a lacking own GUI. :D
GNOME and KDE are both far from ideal GUIs.
I use Linux on a daily basis for months now and I gotta say I adore working with linux every time, it's just that the GUI is always flawy at the most initial and obvious places.
It's sad that so little effort is put into propper GUIs from the community and few big corporations try to break free from old traditions, trying to innovate proper and easy as well as focussing GUIs.

Yes, I'm a Mac fan, hence I might like the copywork, but really: Better an approach to good copying than to just let it slide.
Sure, Canonical is doing some excellent work trying to put new things to GNOME and I like their approaches, but it's still rough.

Let's hope good things develop from here...

[i]Glassed Silver:win[/i]

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@Neo: Yeah, and Mac ripped off the App Store idea because Ubuntu had the Software Center back in mid 2009, and package manager years earlier. Mac also ripped off the "launchpad" (ironically, Canonical owns the trademark on that name), because that sort of view existed in Unity since mid 2010... /sarcasm

So? My personal opinion is that the scrollbars are a coincidence, but who cares? I'm not defending Elementary, because they shamelessly "tweak" and mash the interface of OS X and iOS and add an unnecessary layer on top of Ubuntu, but Ubuntu generally tends to have an idea of where to go with the ideas they borrow. Sure they changed the layout of the buttons to the left, and at that moment it seemed like desperately copying OS X, but what they did is that they made the move make sense, unlike OS X, with the current maximized window behavior (along with another idea they took from OS X, global menu, which is also slightly tweaked). So, yeah. I'll admit that generally Linux developers tend to have sub par free versions of what already exists in the proprietary world, but what's exactly wrong with that alone? Not to mention that Ubuntu is slowly starting to build something of its own.

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[quote name='Syanide' timestamp='1299594289' post='593768852']
@Neo: Yeah, and Mac ripped off the App Store idea because Ubuntu had the Software Center back in mid 2009, and package manager years earlier. Mac also ripped off the "launchpad" (ironically, Canonical owns the trademark on that name), because that sort of view existed in Unity since mid 2010... /sarcasm[/quote]
Yeah, except Launchpad comes from iOS released in 2007. An online software store hasn't been anything original for years.

[quote name='Syanide' timestamp='1299594289' post='593768852']So? My personal opinion is that the scrollbars are a coincidence, but who cares? I'm not defending Elementary, because they shamelessly "tweak" and mash the interface of OS X and iOS and add an unnecessary layer on top of Ubuntu, but Ubuntu generally tends to have an idea of where to go with the ideas they borrow. Sure they changed the layout of the buttons to the left, and at that moment it seemed like desperately copying OS X, but what they did is that they made the move make sense, unlike OS X, with the current maximized window behavior (along with another idea they took from OS X, global menu, which is also slightly tweaked). So, yeah. I'll admit that generally Linux developers tend to have sub par free versions of what already exists in the proprietary world, but what's exactly wrong with that alone? Not to mention that Ubuntu is slowly starting to build something of its own.
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Everything is according to you right? 3D Dock? Coincidence. 2D Dock in Gnome 3D & Ubuntu? Coincidence. Expos

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Basically,
Who cares about another Linux distro anyway? There are so many different distros, eventually they HAD to be copying somebody's stuff!

Does anyone know exactly how many distros there are altogether? Can anyone even count that high?!

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[quote name='.Neo' timestamp='1299599349' post='593769140']
Yeah, except Launchpad comes from iOS released in 2007. An online software store hasn't been anything original for years.


Everything is according to you right? 3D Dock? Coincidence. 2D Dock in Gnome 3D & Ubuntu? Coincidence. Expos

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Long story short: It all always makes sense and everything evolves on its own in the Linux landscape. However it never makes any sense or evolve on its own [i]before[/i] Apple introduced it in one of their products. That's what we see right? But okay. ;)

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EDIT: Since my reply makes no sense after your last edit. As I sad, a lot of things in Linux world seem like sub par versions of what Windows and Mac have. I don't deny that. I am annoyed that you insist everything came from Mac, like Mac's totally original (hardly the case). Just like Mac took workspaces from other people, polished them up, so are a lot of distros taking some design ideas and trying to do something with them. Those that blatantly copy (Elementary, Gnome 3) will most likely fail, but I consider Ubuntu to be the one that has a chance of doing something on its own. They've already made sense of moving the buttons to the left, and generally they do plan in advance (I think even the scrollbars were tested by regular people, they do similar things all the time).

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[quote name='Syanide' timestamp='1299603574' post='593769336']
EDIT: Since my reply makes no sense after your last edit. As I sad, a lot of things in Linux world seem like sub par versions of what Windows and Mac have. I don't deny that. I am annoyed that you insist everything came from Mac, like Mac's totally original (hardly the case). Just like Mac took workspaces from other people, polished them up, so are a lot of distros taking some design ideas and trying to do something with them. Those that blatantly copy (Elementary, Gnome 3) will most likely fail, but I consider Ubuntu to be the one that has a chance of doing something on its own. They've already made sense of moving the buttons to the left, and generally they do plan in advance (I think even the scrollbars were tested by regular people, they do similar things all the time).
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Like I said I don't have an issue with companies borrowing ideas from each other. Microsoft does this, Samsung, LG, Motorola and even Apple is no exception. However there's a big difference with how things go down with Linux. They don't borrow ideas, they try to copy them 1:1. Linux had multi-desktops before Mac OS X, yes, however Spaces looks nothing like the default Linux implementation. It uses its own unique style that fits in with Aqua. Things in Linux distros like the 3D Dock, 2D Dock style, scroll bars, Expos

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[quote name='.Neo' timestamp='1299603373' post='593769328']
Long story short: It all always makes sense and everything evolves on its own in the Linux landscape. However it never makes any sense or evolve on its own [i]before[/i] Apple introduced it in one of their products. That's what we see right? But okay. ;)
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Jeezus. Give it up already. They all copy Apple. I think we get it.

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[quote name='farmeunit' timestamp='1299630268' post='593770894']
They all copy Apple. I think we get it.
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Some of the posts on the previous page say otherwise.

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Oh Christ. The worst thing is that you make me sound like a Linux fanboy :p

So yeah, Linux copies Apple. Let's get on with our lives and get this thread back on topic.

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[quote name='Syanide' timestamp='1299637650' post='593771234']So yeah, Linux copies Apple. Let's get on with our lives and get this thread back on topic.
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Well the thread is basically about a Linux distro that tries to be Mac OS X. So not sure if we ever left the topic? :laugh:

Okay, I'll stop now. :p

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