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[+Zlip792 MVC]

anyone know whats going on with https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=770135 . any New Try-Builds available?

Assigned developer posted new updated patches for that bug just recently but didn't give testrun link or try builds etc. So nothing know more than that.

anyone know whats going on with https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=770135 . any New Try-Builds available?

Assigned developer posted new updated patches for that bug just recently but didn't give testrun link or try builds etc. So nothing know more than that.

[bawz]

yeah thats all i saw, thought i'd ask if there were try builds

[bawz]

the Devs tend to be Backing out stuff a lot in FF21, how come? goes up to 20.3MB back to 19.5MB .

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

The compilers have hit the memory limit on Windows, so they're disabling/backing out stuff to get it compiling again.

[bawz]

The compilers have hit the memory limit on Windows, so they're disabling/backing out stuff to get it compiling again.

thanx for the explanation

[+Zlip792 MVC]

the Devs tend to be Backing out stuff a lot in FF21, how come? goes up to 20.3MB back to 19.5MB .

As far as I think ANGLE library (one used to provide WebGL on D3D or DX9 acceleration) updated recently and newer one does not rely on DirectX one file which weighs about 2 MB which they have to ship with their setup, now this dependency is gone. Might be that's why setup size gone down.

They took also many stuff from xul.dll to not go for PGO (Profile Guided Optimization), which will be another reason of this as mentioned by The_Decryptor.

[ViperAFK]

I wish they'd put a little focus into making firefox look good in the windows 8 classic desktop, a lot of things look out of place, for example in the firefox button menu some of the menu highlights are the native windows 8 ones, and other ones look like the windows 7 menus...

[Pikey]

I wish they'd put a little focus into making firefox look good in the windows 8 classic desktop, a lot of things look out of place, for example in the firefox button menu some of the menu highlights are the native windows 8 ones, and other ones look like the windows 7 menus...

Can I ask what build? , is there one that is recommended above the ohers?

[ViperAFK]

Can I ask what build? , is there one that is recommended above the ohers?

I saw the issues in all channels

[mancode20]

I will ask again: What is going on with Australis? I am loving Firefox 19 Beta 4!! It's the fastest, smoothest, most responsive Firefox yet! Just curious when Australis will be implemented. Firefox 20, 21?

[.stan]

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[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

I will ask again: What is going on with Australis? I am loving Firefox 19 Beta 4!! It's the fastest, smoothest, most responsive Firefox yet! Just curious when Australis will be implemented. Firefox 20, 21?

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Theme_Refinement_and_Evolution_%28Australis%29

[escobar_]

What is going on with Home Tab, a feature announced for Firefox 4? :/

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Tab groups (also known as Panorama) will be removed from Firefox and converted into an add-on: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=836758

Panorama has a very small user base and there's basically no chance that we will enable it by default or even improve its visibility and discoverability anytime soon. In its current form it is indeed quite fragile and causes intermittent test failures here and there when touching platform code. We're not going to spending any time on improving Panorama and its feature or its design and UX - thus it should just be removed from Firefox.

[cetla]

Tab groups (also known as Panorama) will be removed from Firefox and converted into an add-on: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=836758

Just prove that Mozilla is in disarray with the masses.

But I hope they'll restore the standard window object prior to Firefox 6. Panorama is the reason you can?t use external screenshot to capture scrolling pages because Firefox render everything on screen as one single object.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Panorama has nothing to do with them removing all the separate window objects from the main window, they did that to simplify the code and increase performance (The window is now drawn as one object, vs. a separate object for each component)

It's a shame they're removing Panorama, but it was never stable enough for them to enable by default, and because it was never enabled barely anybody used it, meaning there's no real reason for them to keep it as part of the main browser.

[cetla]

Panorama has nothing to do with them removing all the separate window objects from the main window, they did that to simplify the code and increase performance (The window is now drawn as one object, vs. a separate object for each component)

It's a shame they're removing Panorama, but it was never stable enough for them to enable by default, and because it was never enabled barely anybody used it, meaning there's no real reason for them to keep it as part of the main browser.

Panorama has everything to do with Firefox's use of [undocumented] window objects. If they stick with standard object, Mozilla would have to overlay Panorama over other objects and that would be way too memory intensive with XUL.

Now that they are going to make Panorama an addon, I wonder if that'll be the only extension to have special permission to use the whole screen.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

What is going on with Home Tab, a feature announced for Firefox 4? :/

I think you mean an App Tab and it is alive and well. RC on any tab and it will become an App Tab

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Panorama has everything to do with Firefox's use of [undocumented] window objects. If they stick with standard object, Mozilla would have to overlay Panorama over other objects and that would be way too memory intensive with XUL.

Now that they are going to make Panorama an addon, I wonder if that'll be the only extension to have special permission to use the whole screen.

What? What's undocumented about window objects?, what's memory intensive about stacking objects with XUL?

[escobar_]

I think you mean an App Tab and it is alive and well. RC on any tab and it will become an App Tab

No, not App Tab, I know that's alive. I meant what's going on with this?

[bawz]

face the fact, Mozilla is going Downhill, but IMHO Mozilla Firefox is going through its Pre 1.0 release again . its gonna take ages for Firefox to become usable again .. i dont care about Panorama as i never used it anyway .

[mancode20]

Am I missing something? Are you guys joking around? You're talking about Firefox 4 and Firefox 6. They are about to release version 19 soon. Sucks to hear that they are going to remove Panorama, but maybe it's for the better if someone can impove it. I personally love using it and constantly have a bunch of tabs open at the same time, and I have never had a single problem with it besides the fact that it can become too overwhelming with so many tabs open. I use TabGroups Menu to switch to them. It's pretty cool! TabGroups Manager was the best, but it was discontinued. A new guy said he might revive it, though. Here's to hoping that happens!

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Am I missing something? Are you guys joking around? You're talking about Firefox 4 and Firefox 6. They are about to release version 19 soon. Sucks to hear that they are going to remove Panorama, but maybe it's for the better if someone can impove it. I personally love using it and constantly have a bunch of tabs open at the same time, and I have never had a single problem with it besides the fact that it can become too overwhelming with so many tabs open. I use TabGroups Menu to switch to them. It's pretty cool! TabGroups Manager was the best, but it was discontinued. A new guy said he might revive it, though. Here's to hoping that happens!

I know, I am using Fx21 It is just going to be changed to an add-on.

[+Zlip792 MVC]

Dev turned on the pref for Windows Media Foundation ON by default for Windows 7 and up: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=837859

Enjoy all kind of juice present on WWW with FF.

Social API fixes: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=837578 , https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=837027 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837729

Private Browsing: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=829360

JS Engine: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=829758

Image Lib: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=836124 , https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=836155

Initial steps for Web Audio API (proposed by Chrome)|You can enable it still but major core changes landing - Although Backed out|: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=804387 , https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=836076

Printing Output: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836875

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

The WebAudio stuff seems to have landed and stuck, so the next nightly should have it. One thing nice about it is that they've implemented it unprefixed, but behind a pref, so any well written page (i.e. it doesn't rely on Chrome) should just work if you flip the pref, yay standards! :rolleyes:

I was involved in a discussion on another forum, where I said WebAudio was a Chrome only thing and Mozilla's "MediaStreams" stuff was more interesting. Seems the MediaStreams stuff is actually a superset of WebAudio that can also handle video, so WebAudio was actually going to be implemented in Firefox at the time I said that stuff :laugh: