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#2506 BetaAddict

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 22:43

So I read this article Chrome has gotten 26 percent faster this year , and wondered how fast has FF become over a year !

I ran the same Octane test , for FF8 , FF16 and the latest nightly FF 19 (The build is exactly a year after FF 8 was launched).

The results were :

FF 19 6025 (106%) <8 Nov 2012>
FF 16 5408 (85%) <9 Oct 2012>
FF 8 2921 (0%) <8 Nov 2011>

So that's all , FF has seen such drastic performance improvements over a year that it puts Chrome's improvements to dust.

Just for sake of comparison , I also tested Chrome 24.0.1312.5 dev , and it scored 8577 (42% faster than FF 19) , which ain't that bad I guess for Firefox I guess.

PS : A very delightful and a happy birthday to Firefox for completing its 8 years ! :D :D :D

Drastic improvements indeed, but still far from the fastest. I prefer FF, but the gap in performance is too large to ignore compared to chrome on mac.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:39

The performance depends on the workload, benchmarks can end up misrepresenting that since they only test a few specific things (and the browsers end up optimising for the popular benchmarks, possibly ignoring other performance issues, look at how IE9 was “super-optimised” for Sunspider)

I've got some maths heavy JS code that's faster in Firefox than it is in Chrome, while there's a page with a fair bit of 3D transforms that's much faster in Chrome than it is in Firefox (And that's with the fixes so Firefox can go faster than 1fps)

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:23

The performance depends on the workload, benchmarks can end up misrepresenting that since they only test a few specific things (and the browsers end up optimising for the popular benchmarks, possibly ignoring other performance issues, look at how IE9 was “super-optimised” for Sunspider)

I've got some maths heavy JS code that's faster in Firefox than it is in Chrome, while there's a page with a fair bit of 3D transforms that's much faster in Chrome than it is in Firefox (And that's with the fixes so Firefox can go faster than 1fps)

I agree that each broswer may excel slightly better in certain types of rendering than others. But benchmarks are just a bunch of numbers. In the end, it comes down to real-world usage that ultimately decides which browser is set to my default, because in reality, most sites are a combination of many elements and rendering all of them together can only bring meaning to what is "fast" and "lightweight."

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:52

To me IE10 feels most lightweight and fast , but i just can't leave Firefox , i love AppTabs / Proper Syncing and all :(

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 14:16

I can leave that Firefox for other browser if they become bloat and so cocky and arrogant and giving e10s only to Boot2Gecko and doing nothing but **** for desktop platform.
IE10 scroll absolutely amazing for me while Firefox makes text goes little blur and hard to focus when I start scrolling. FF hardware acceleration always keep my GPU in 3D clocks mode so cause high bills of electricity for me.

What not issue it has.. But still only happy because they are doing good in competing and stopping monopoly.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 15:28

They have one spokesperson/developer for HWA on Windows. :/

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 20:39

They have one spokesperson/developer for HWA on Windows. :/


Nope, they have more than one but again it comes to the fact that they are neglecting desktop while focusing on its Firefox OS.
It has OMTC, Electrolysis and several new focused memory optimization which only as by product affect desktop build and they added new memory reported for their OS while desktop variant does not have proper XML and DOM memory reporter as result Firefox sucks too much on XML pages and text heavy pages.
What not they are making desktop users to move to other browsers.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:34

iv'e stopped using Nightlies, i find it pointless :(

What not they are making desktop users to move to other browsers.

agree with that. i use Chrome as my default browser for a long time now/, dont tell the Mozilla Fanboys that though :D

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i think Chrome does a much better job of Syncing than Firefox IMO

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:53

^ yeah, the firefox syncing has felt half-assed since day one

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:19

I can leave that Firefox for other browser if they become bloat and so cocky and arrogant and giving e10s only to Boot2Gecko and doing nothing but **** for desktop platform.
IE10 scroll absolutely amazing for me while Firefox makes text goes little blur and hard to focus when I start scrolling. FF hardware acceleration always keep my GPU in 3D clocks mode so cause high bills of electricity for me.

What not issue it has.. But still only happy because they are doing good in competing and stopping monopoly.


Are you sure it's not your graphics card drivers causing that? My nvidia card only stays in 3D mode while it's scrolling/animating things (Since for the most part, those are done via 3D APIs), it goes straight back into 2D mode as soon as that stops.

Blurring sounds like a monitor issue, although if IE doesn't do it then it's still probably a driver issue.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:34

IMO,
Firefox should copy IE10 for a good HWA model (significantly faster, uses less battery power).
Firefox should copy Chrome for a good multi-process model (gets stuck less, more responsive).
Firefox should copy IE10 interface for a good _native_ interface (no gradients and edges and visual noise).
Firefox should copy Opera for its software rendering backend (insanely fast for some reason)
Firefox should copy old Firefox for concentrating on Firefox (resource fragmentation).




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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:41

IMO,
Firefox should copy IE10 for a good HWA model (significantly faster, uses less battery power).
Firefox should copy Chrome for a good multi-process model (gets stuck less, more responsive).
Firefox should copy IE10 interface for a good _native_ interface (no gradients and edges and visual noise).
Firefox should copy Opera for its software rendering backend (insanely fast for some reason)
Firefox should copy old Firefox for concentrating on Firefox (resource fragmentation).


First thought. Lol, you're out of your mind.

Second thought. Oh crap forget first thought. You're mostly right :laugh:

#2518 dysgenics

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 17:31

hmm why would firefox start doing this without updating and any changes to settings/drivers/hardware.

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tried fresh profiles, reinstalling firefox and video drivers. issue is on both 32 and 64 builds and does not occur on other browsers.

#2519 kilara1988

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:11

Wow.This looks so weird and bad.Tho i never had anything like this happen to me.What is your GPU?Does turning off HWA fix it?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:58

Are you sure it's not your graphics card drivers causing that? My nvidia card only stays in 3D mode while it's scrolling/animating things (Since for the most part, those are done via 3D APIs), it goes straight back into 2D mode as soon as that stops. Blurring sounds like a monitor issue, although if IE doesn't do it then it's still probably a driver issue.


AMD users also face this 3D clocks issue. When I use Chrome then my GPU remain it 2D clocks unless I run some demo related to CSS3 or Flash related site. IE smooth scroll and does not blur text on scrolling neither do Opera 12.10 do.

Only Firefox have these both issues.

hmm why would firefox start doing this without updating and any changes to settings/drivers/hardware. Posted Image tried fresh profiles, reinstalling firefox and video drivers. issue is on both 32 and 64 builds and does not occur on other browsers.


Latest Tuesday Patch of Windows added DX11.1 few stuff including new DirectWrite API etc so if your GPU is little old or drivers as well, they will get issues I think. Although it can Firefox fault as well.