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#3061 ViperAFK

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:14

@Zlip.

 

What's wrong with click-to-play? Are you refering to the plugins stuff? I have it enabled actually. Eliminate all the flash exploits and trackers.

 

But I agree with you, Australis is utter crap. It will make Mozilla's incompetent Gecko engine even more crappy. I hope it remains in development hell forever.

Gecko is hardly a crappy or incompetent engine, and how on earth will a different firefox UI make the engine crappy? Do people realize how ridiculous the stupid **** they keep saying in this thread sounds?

 

There was a time where this thread had interesting discussion, but now everytime I see a new post in this thread and click on it its one of these silly troll-comments.




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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:01

The issue is that if they roll it out, after that if they have to backout, even previous theme will not work as working currently, means totally useless. To fix it up, they either have to maintain two separate branches which was proposed like Australis + mozilla central and mozilla central simple without Australis, so that if some mess up happen, they can roll out other one.
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I'm not entirely sure what this means, but if you mean that they can't land a feature, work on it and then back it out then no, they can easily do that.

It's kinda the whole point of source control systems.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:13

I'm not entirely sure what this means, but if you mean that they can't land a feature, work on it and then back it out then no, they can easily do that.

It's kinda the whole point of source control systems.

 

 

LOL!! They mentioned this excuse not made by me....



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 00:35

Good news for people pointing fingers toward Firefox UI responsiveness:

Unofficial comment quoting from bugzilla bug: https://bugzilla.moz...g.cgi?id=899338

 

Right now we've worked around the backspace handling problem in the larch repo by deleting the command that calls BrowserHandleBackspace(). However, it's still a problem on mozilla-central. This patch does pretty much the same thing, but it only disables the command when gMultiProcessBrowsing is set.

 
Obviously we'd like to fix this the right way in the future. However, we're trying to make m-c usable for multiprocess browsing by mid-August.


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 00:53

Firefox is the new Netscape. It's slow, crashes easily, the page rendering is still old fashioned, webGL is slow, html5 is slow.
I still use Firefox every once in a blue moon, but it's a mess in my opinion.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 01:01

Firefox is the new Netscape. It's slow, crashes easily, the page rendering is still old fashioned, webGL is slow, html5 is slow.
I still use Firefox every once in a blue moon, but it's a mess in my opinion.

saying WebGL an HTML5 slow is a bit premature . yes Gecko is Old thats why there working on Servo to replace Gecko.  . how is Firefox a Mess?



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 04:07

saying WebGL an HTML5 slow is a bit premature . yes Gecko is Old thats why there working on Servo to replace Gecko.  . how is Firefox a Mess?


So they are going to use hardware acceleration instead of the typical old school CPU? I normally use Chrome because FireFox always crashes on certain pages of HTML and the rendering of pages isn't good.

I am waiting on IE 11 as that seems like the best option. Sure it doesn't use plugins but I don't use any plugins for FireFox or Chrome.

If Firefox stops crashing on viewing my email account and if it renders to the screen in higher quality fonts and if it accelerates all of the HTML5/graphics/webGL pipeline then I might have another look. I have fallen in Love with IE 11 and I haven't used IE since IE 7 or 8.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 04:10

What?

Firefox has used the GPU since 4.0, and IE11 supports plugins (And if you mean addons, well IE supports those as well)

#3069 ViperAFK

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 15:05

Firefox is the new Netscape. It's slow, crashes easily, the page rendering is still old fashioned, webGL is slow, html5 is slow.
I still use Firefox every once in a blue moon, but it's a mess in my opinion.

 

So they are going to use hardware acceleration instead of the typical old school CPU? I normally use Chrome because FireFox always crashes on certain pages of HTML and the rendering of pages isn't good.

 

 

 

1. I can't remember the last time firefox crashed on me, nor can I remember the last time I had page rendering/site compatibility issues, and I use it on many computers and multiple operating systems, you are most likely running into some sort of bug that is certainly not 'normal behavior'. What site(s) is it crashing on? Why haven't you reported a bug?

 

How the hell is page rendering "old fashioned"? That doesn't even make any sense.

 

2. Firefox has hardware acceleration, and has for a long time. Firefox supports directx hardware acceleration, d2d, and directwrite like IE does.

 

And firefox's performance holds up pretty well these days: http://www.tomshardw...xt,3534-12.html



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 20:24

@above

I couldn't get through a day without Firefox crashing at least once...just moments ago Firefox went kaput while browsing on Jolidrive. Firefox tendency to crash on web apps is pretty frequent for me. It just can't handle complex DOM pages. Also DOM event funtions is poorly handled. As I've argued before, Gecko is getting old and incompetent.

 

Mozilla focused too much on the javascript side of thing and neglected its renderer--which I think is much more important to the end user. Just look at IE, its Chakra javascript is not as fast as Firefox's, but its Trident renderer is much more stable at handling web apps. Chrome Webkit-fork is the same.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 21:41

1. I can't remember the last time firefox crashed on me, nor can I remember the last time I had page rendering/site compatibility issues, and I use it on many computers and multiple operating systems, you are most likely running into some sort of bug that is certainly not 'normal behavior'. What site(s) is it crashing on? Why haven't you reported a bug?
 
How the hell is page rendering "old fashioned"? That doesn't even make any sense.
 
2. Firefox has hardware acceleration, and has for a long time. Firefox supports directx hardware acceleration, d2d, and directwrite like IE does.
 
And firefox's performance holds up pretty well these days: http://www.tomshardw...xt,3534-12.html


I have Firefox 22 and it's much slower than Chrome at many things and both are slower than IE 11 by oh a heck of a lot. I have all of the latest versions of browsers and my Nvidia drivers are the latest non beta as well and Firefox is slower and it also renders worse than IE 11. No doubt about it. It's not even up for debate.

Believe me, I am not a fan of IE at all. I just tried it on Windows 8.1 in a VM of all places and I can instantly tell a difference easily. I know that's not an easy thing to hear, but it is so true. I also used to have to zoom in to see the fonts on my web browsers, but IE 11 renders them so much better, that I don't have to zoom in anymore. I was completely blown away by it. The last IE I really used was 8 and then I switched to Firefox and then on to Chrome as Chrome kept getting better over time. When Windows 8.1 came out with the public release I tried IE 11 and I couldn't believe how far it has come. It makes the other browsers look like crap.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 21:50

Firefox will never compete with other browsers until it has seperately threaded downloads...

 

When I close the main window because I am done viewing an HTML page... that doesnt mean my downloads in progress should also stop and close...

NO.  They should continue into the background until they complete.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 02:25

@above
I couldn't get through a day without Firefox crashing at least once...just moments ago Firefox went kaput while browsing on Jolidrive. Firefox tendency to crash on web apps is pretty frequent for me. It just can't handle complex DOM pages. Also DOM event funtions is poorly handled. As I've argued before, Gecko is getting old and incompetent.
 
Mozilla focused too much on the javascript side of thing and neglected its renderer--which I think is much more important to the end user. Just look at IE, its Chakra javascript is not as fast as Firefox's, but its Trident renderer is much more stable at handling web apps. Chrome Webkit-fork is the same.


Check what other plugins/extensions/etc. you have loaded into Firefox, crashing daily is a sign you've got something else wrong.

Firefox is fine at handling events, it's fine at rendering pages, etc.

Edit: I exclusively run the nightly version on my Mac, and I've only crashed once in the last month (due to an OOM issue with OpenGL)

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:08

Firefox thumbnail services now also use Electrolysis which means using background thread to update after certain time.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/2WHROKmyQso



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:33

The next nightly on OS X will have support for a font-smoothing property similar to WebKit (Called -moz-osx-font-smoothing to make it clear it's Mac only).

Authors wanted it for various reasons, ranging from "Well I like it so the user has to see it" to "This hack I'm using needs it and I won't consider using a better method", but luckily Mozilla included a preference to disable support for the CSS property, so toggling "layout.css.osx-font-smoothing.enabled" to "false" means Firefox will respect your settings over the authors opinion.