Apple Inc.'s CEO Steve Jobs compared Windows to hell in an on-stage conversation with the Wall Street Journal's personal technology columnist Walt Mossberg at the newspaper's D: All Things Digital conference yesterday. After Mossberg asked Jobs about the popularity of Apple's iTunes music store software and Jobs said more than 300 million copies were in circulation, Mossberg replied: "So that makes you an enormous Windows software developer".
"We are," said Jobs.
"How does that make you feel?"
"We've got cards and letters from lots of people that say iTunes is their favorite app on Windows," Jobs said, then shrugged, paused and smiled. "It's like giving a glass of ice water to somebody in hell," he said.
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"We are," said Jobs.
"How does that make you feel?"
"We've got cards and letters from lots of people that say iTunes is their favorite app on Windows," Jobs said, then shrugged, paused and smiled. "It's like giving a glass of ice water to somebody in hell," he said.
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He means he, himself and him
Long live Floola and Rockbox
That may not be the fault of the app software... but the OS you are using.
That may not be the fault of the app software... but the OS you are using.
Nice try steve but if that was the case I find it hard to believe that so many Windows users would be sending you letters
Perhaps you should try getting a better computer because iTunes ran amazing on my Windows machine before I sold it. While we are speaking on garbage, dun forget that lovely piece of flaming trash, wmp.
That may not be the fault of the app software... but the OS you are using.
First step in troubleshooting: isolate the problem.
Since iTunes is the only app giving me problems, seems more like you are talking out of your ass (surprise, surprise)
its install is shocking with having too install quicktime every time you want to up date to a new version...
i hate it, but l guess that might just be me.
Music download wise l guess it has quite a considerable stake in market, but l only use itunes when l have too cause it tends not to run well with my computer and lve never downloaded off it and never plan on.
so l hardly see it as a so called "glass of ice water to somebody in hell", l think the majority of its users use it cause they are forced to cause there ipod can only be updated through itunes unless your a advanced user of course.
+1
+2
-1
I like it.
-1
I like it.
-2 I like it too
Ooh, that's me out then... I was considering giving it a go with the whole EMI DRM-free music downloads, but my library's pretty large...
Time to wait until Amazon's store opens, perhaps.
I've got a pretty hefty library. It's a pain in the ass when music tracks aren't named properly and trying to rename them in iTunes, remove them from the library, FINDING them in the library to delete them and reimport them... ugh. WMP isn't perfect either, but I feel I can manage my library a LOT easier than iTunes.
iTunes advertise as the dam mini store takes forever to hide when you turn it off. Also I feel iTunes manages its lbrary really badly too.
"It's like giving a glass of ice water to somebody in hell," - this is if you own an iPod as they restrict us to using iTunes, its good for about 1 minute to load your iPod with, they it melts and you need something else.
+1
+1
*7
Brainwashed much? Most uninformed comment ever, no offence.
Terrible software
Awful piece of crap, even worse than QuickTime
Love it. Not considering moving out.
Rubbish software. Only have it installed because I'm often found updating friend's iPods. I'm yet to find a decent music managing software for my large collection (17,000+).
I just use Windows Explorer to navigate and Billy to play my music.
I love it and it's much better than WMP. I do admit that there are a lot of open source programs that would beat it any day, even though I still use it.
+infinity
+12. Hate it.
+13 its garbage
and a reminder that this isn't slashdot? :p
Ooh, that's me out then... I was considering giving it a go with the whole EMI DRM-free music downloads, but my library's pretty large...
Time to wait until Amazon's store opens, perhaps.
He doesn't know what hes talking about its the best media player for a large library as its designed for that very reason, I have close to 16,000 songs, my library is perfectly fast, at finding tracks, playing, loading, ect.
I just want to put music on any pc without too many hassle and trouble. Why cant apple make that happen...
Like "Good try but you failed?"
gratz to steve jobs on making something more then 5% of computer users use.
+5
foobar pwns.
/runs away
very true, and those are the people who hate Microsoft for no specific reason.
iTunes is a very easy to use program, but it also has a lot of powerful features like the COM interface. I can write a quick script to do something in iTunes very quickly.. It uses a huge amount of RAM and CPU, but I still have it running constantly because it is the only music player I can use without getting frustrated.
Those who keep saying "foobar is so awesome, so customizable" etc, I'm sure it's great, but why should I spend hours learning how to, and configuring a player to make it work as well as iTunes, when iTunes does so straight away?
Because you're a software developer.
So, you can make a quick script to do whatever, but the professional devs over at Last.FM can't make something to detect if you play the same song twice in a row. (Surprisingly, they seem perfectly capable of doing this on other media players). The capabilities for plugins are often hampered by what Apple have deemed necessary/coded badly.
And yes, from all accounts (I've only seen it on my girlfriend's PC, and she only has a small library) it does use a lot of RAM and CPU... I agree with your point about "learning" things, but for me Winamp didn't exactly take much learning... I started it, let it scan all my folders and I had a nice working media library.
Give Winamp a try
I think it is the way people see their music that determines what they end up using. I like to treat my music as a library - and do not use the file system at all. I have spent quite a while fixing up tags, as I want my library to be accurate, clean, and useful. And when I want a song, I can get to it easily based on genre / artist or just search. To me, other programs (although WMP 11 is close) treat the library as a separate feature. In iTunes, the library is the core of it all.
As for the configuring another player - I did this for foobar, but the iTunes interface is faster than foobar once you configure foobar to work like iTunes.. Anyway I think iTunes is great as a media library - it is not meant to be just a music player.
Actually I opened up Visual Basic, spent about.. 30 seconds, and can detect track changes quite easily.. Code to use the OnPlayerPlayEvent combined with logic around the current track play position is enough. I guess the last.fm people aren't really trying..
Cool, maybe things have improved (this was a few months ago I guess), but they specifically stated that it was an iTunes limitation that meant they couldn't do it. Or, as you say, maybe they're just not trying
From what I see of iTunes every now and then it looks OK, but as you say we look at our music in different ways - I just prefer the way Winamp does it. Each to their own!
There is a nifty program for WMP. Unfortunately, they want $15. I'm cheap so I'll just toy with hell, I mean, iTunes when I have to.
He's kidding right? It's easily in the low 10%, along with Norton Antivirus and Free-Registry-Cleaner.exe
That's how I feel about Ad Muncher, to bad it's not available on Mac.
Wmp 11>iTunes.
perhaps not but he feels the need to insult every other OS. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx
perhaps not but he feels the need to insult every other OS. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx
So you are linking to quotes from other people? Nice.
perhaps not but he feels the need to insult every other OS. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx
those are customer testimonials.
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perhaps not but he feels the need to insult every other OS. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx
I didnt know bill gates personally ran every little nook and cranny of Microsoft, wonder why he employs all those managers and employees.
Believe it or not Bill Gates didnt personally write that section of the website.
Believe it or not Bill Gates didnt personally write that section of the website.
What planet do you live on? On Earth, if a business does something, then the business (including the executive officers) are responsible for it.
Oops! The only FUD comes from people who don't bother to explore the website. Notice how it says 'Get The Facts' not 'Get the FUD'.
Perhaps you should "get the facts" and stop living in ignorance. It's one thing to have an opinion. It's a total lack of maturity to say that facts are FUD because you can't see past a personal preference.
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Umm... guess not.
+1
Windows Media Player has come a long way ... WHen I installed Vista Ultimate on my main PC, I was thinking how long would i last using it before deciding to give in an install Winamp like I usually do... but all the Vista WMP11 integration is so seamless I love it.. it does everything I need in a media player , I can't believe I'm using WMP over Winamp.. never thought i'd see the day
Because these people are apparently too stupid to use e-mail.
Jobs shouldn't bite the hand that feeds him too much. iPod alone didn't save Apple.
Porting iPod and iTunes to Windows PC use saved Apple. Otherwise it would have been another niche boutique portable music player.
Because these people are apparently too stupid to use e-mail.
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LOL!!!
Best one!!
I like Mac OS X, I hate Jobs atitude...
If your are not a noob, you will know that there is Floola, Anapod Explorer, ml_ipod & many other applications better then iTunes for iPod management.
Oh & iTunes Music format support is **** despite of having a quite good Quicktime based backend.
looked really good but turned out to be nothing when you get your hands on it.
ew, sick! and possibly quite appropriate...
Hm, on second thought that is a bit like being in hell.
Hm, on second thought that is a bit like being in hell.
What a desperate attempt to be clever.
grow up
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And again
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- chaos, everybody wants to see and taste the water
- disappointment, first it seems great, but that feeling only lasts three sips
- incompatibility, the water does not belong in hell, therefor will vaporize quickly
Hmmm and iWater doesn't sound so great as well...
iTunes is the worst app ever, especially on Windows.. Super especially on Vista, starts doing search indexing and all sorts of crap as soon as you launch it on Vista.. Takes up a ton of recources its libary syncing sucks ass but you got to use it cause of the iPod (which i love). Hopefully MS can get podcasts and stuff going on WMP11 so i can switch to the next gen of Zune.
You can sync with Windows Media Player using this plugin:
http://www.mgtek.com/dopisp/
I guess they "lost" my letter (and a couple of cards!
iTunes is EASILY one of the worst apps when it comes to performance.
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It's the kind of comment that is made by the immature, ill-informed, and perhaps bitter . . . that their platform of choice is really just an also-ran behind a truly inspiring competitor. So the Father of that platform has to be called every name in the book - every form of *personal* attack must be levelled against him, as if they actually *know* him, or just had lunch with him yestrday and he said something offensive about their kid or their mother.
Jobs is a genius. Anyone who can badmouth MS in public and actually succeed is tops in my book. No one has really told Windows users what it actually is that their using. Maybe it's high time for some trash-talk. Let the competitors put up any way they like and we'll see where everyone stands at the end of the day.
How should I know his heritage? I'd have never known if you hadn't mentioned it. I'm just fed up of his trash talk and figured accusing him of being a terrorist would be a quick way to get rid of him. I didn't want to suggest anything as drastic as assassination but I suppose anything that shuts him up would be fine by me.
the more you heat water, the hotter it gets, it turns to steam around 100 degrees at regular atmospheric pressure, after that it just keeps getting hotter, it doesn't just stop being steam, though the term 'superheated' does get prefixed at a point.
Actually I guess maybe at a point eventually if you could contain it and heat it enough it might become a plasma or something, I don't know, my physics isn't that hot
here's a nice graph for you from wikipedia showing entropy for steam up to eight hundred degrees celsius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TS-Wasserdampf_engl.png
So, hell is a selling feature of Mac computers? Interesting.
Just because Heaven has an emergency exit to Hell, it doesn't mean God likes it.
Just because Heaven has an emergency exit to Hell, it doesn't mean God likes it.
heaven doesn't exist.
The answer is yes.
Why are you still using Windows??? This is 2007. The registry is obsolete.
I guess running ad-aware and Norton/Kaspersky/Symantec must be really fun.
The answer is yes.
Why are you still using Windows??? This is 2007. The registry is obsolete.
I guess running ad-aware and Norton/Kaspersky/Symantec must be really fun.
About as much fun as not being able to upgrade your computer. You know.. kinda like.. locked into your hardware. You wanna upgrade? BUY A NEW ONE.
Yes, LTD... I use Windows, I use OS X, and Ubuntu.. all on the same PC (hackintosh). OS X is a fine OS... it just does not fit my everyday computing needs. That's all.
And what the hell does this prove?
And what the hell does this prove?
That their are a lot of idiots
What does that make OSX then?? The other hell you go to when Hell kicks you out?
steve jobs, no one thinks youre cool so stop picking on kids who are 45X bigger than you but wont say a word about you!
Too incompetent to unseat Apple? Absolutely.
Leaner, meaner, more innovative is in vogue, black_death.
Just ask Wall Street. That's all that really counts.
Jealous, jealous, jealous! You people are so friggin green with envy!
Here's a guy running his mouth in order to make MS look like an incompetent dinosaur.
ANS HE'S SUCCEEDING!!! Look at the numbers. Look at the record closings by Apple, almost daily. Everywhere you look around the net, it's iPhone this, iPhone that.
Who's talking about the Zune? No one. Because no one gives a ****. As for Vista, geez . . . even a good chunk of Windows loyalists (even Neowinians) think it's something to be avoided, or at least put off for a long, long time.
Here's the real deal regarding this hatred of sorts between mac users and windows users (if "users" is a weak word, use "loyalist"
The majority of Mac users have used Windows (at work, school, etc.) and have therefore made an informed choice to use the superior Mac. On the flip side, the vast majority of Windows sufferers who "hate" the Macintosh and Mac users have no idea what they're missing. They didn't choose Windows, it's all they know. Most every "Mac-hater" crumbles when posed one simple question: "When is the last time you used a Mac, if ever?" Nobody likes to be told they wasted their money, time, and effort on the wrong platform and that they're using an inferior operating system, but that doesn't make it untrue. Don't hate the Mac or Mac users for telling you the facts. Windows-only users: Use a Mac — really use it for awhile, for real tasks, not just noodling around with it for a few minutes in an Apple Store — then, and only then, will you be able to make an informed choice. Go ahead, I dare you to really use a Mac (because I know what'll happen when you do).
what, throw it out the window b/c it's a POS?
So he likens Windows to hell and we're jealous? I don't quite get how that works. Still, 90% of the worlds computer users must be wrong... heck, I'm here using Windows XP and I thought I DID have a Mac. How silly of me.
lol what with all these +1 etc..posts. lol i guess it's the height of laziness.
I wouldn't be surprised Steve and Bill say things like this to get a rise out of each companies' Disciples on the net.... they probably laugh at the comments about each other remarks when they get a chance to read them online if someone points it out.. I mean ..if you are as powerful as they are wouldn't you have a go at a bit of puppet mastering for kicks. lol
Why be verbose? If people are simply reinforcing a previously stated opinion then is there really any need to write out how they personally agree with the point when they can simply add "+1" and achieve the same thing? I'm not here to read essays... the more to the point people are the better.
Why be verbose? If people are simply reinforcing a previously stated opinion then is there really any need to write out how they personally agree with the point when they can simply add "+1" and achieve the same thing? I'm not here to read essays... the more to the point people are the better.
+1
Again: Steve Jobs doesn't like Windows. What a shocker!
B) the newest version 7.2 of iTunes is the first one for windows that actually works well for me. The CD case flipbook actually plays at speed now. I don't know what was broken (probably something with DirectX), but it appears as though they finally fixed it.
C) I still use WinAmp with the ClearONE skin and CD Art Case plugin. iTunes can't even come close to this for style, functionality, or customizability.
D) I'm glad they are leading the charge on ending DRM.
my. it must be very reassuring.
... of course, those apple dronez will probably lap it all up in a snap.
so microsoft and apple cant get it right in media players, are bloated, slow, wmp download useles img files with each album or folder, itunes and its useless libraries its a annoyance. why cant they make something simple like foobar and winamp
One minute, Gates and Jobs can sit down at dinner at the same table and talk without problems (possibly like friends too), the next minute he starts talking about how bad he thinks Microsoft is.
Seems very childish.
But yeah, iTunes is one of the worst apps for Windows, performance-wise, but runs like a dream on OS X!
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