Reports surfacing on various Chinese and Russian forums today indicate that Windows 7 beta 1 (build 7000) has leaked to torrent.Neowin members have posted screenshots of the beta and we can confirm the 7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD version is legitimate.
Microsoft is expected to announce the availability of Windows 7 beta 1 at CES in January.
its looks same the build 6956
Why shouldn't it look the same? It's the SAME software but with some bug fixes and tweaks.
How about we keep this on topic and take the arguing to a PM, Mm'k?
Actually he provided a link to d/l... removed later by the mods...
Look are deceiving... when koopas are involved...
You judge an OS by its looks?
You don't need a computer if your going to stare @ a pretty screen all day.
You don't need a computer if your going to stare @ a pretty screen all day.
It's a youtube poop joke
It looks horrible. I have always despised the look of Vista.
I still think they're going to change it.
Ever since Steve Jobs brainwashed everyone with Mac OS X ... yes. If it looks bad it's going to suck.
Doesn't appear to be. I'm downloading it and it's just a straight ISO with no readmes.
its the version beta 1
It's confirmed beta 1 build.
For someone who hates Neowin so much, "from the bottom of their heart", it seems strange to see you posting. And posting more again.
This thread is a perfect example of these idiots.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=713826&st=0
And as for the mod he said: "as good as spam. enough."
I also find it hilarious that so many people hate Neowin with a passion, yet they still come here daily. You can see it on almost any news post. I see the same people doing it everyday and it's funny and pathetic at the same time. Funny how much they hate the site and keep coming back, pathetic in that they feel the need to do it daily. Wasting their own time and showing how immature they really are.
I'd think it was a fake also if those screenshots of his were all I had to judge it by. All those screenshots are ones that can easily be faked.
thank you!
I'm also very glad you were vindicated FivestarVIP, thanks for breaking the news for us!
u r welcome
its my pleasure
both them.
x64 is coming soon
Thanks man. Sad to see some uncivilised people taunting you in the thread.
Haha, i dont mind!!
Becoz they changed think of about me now!
There is no virus, that's how they chose to arrange the windows. Grouping is turned off and aero isn't running.
i m running it at VMware Machine
super what?. And thats all?.
I know beta and **** but still... If this would be called seven should be something impressive and not just a new xp look...
super what?. And thats all?.
I know beta and **** but still... If this would be called seven should be something impressive and not just a new xp look...
Aero is disabled in this screenshot.
Exactly. I perfer the UI of Windows 2000 (minus all the glitches). The most important thing is usability for me.
a) very latest build :programmer.
b) latest build for a vip group of companies (OEM) :guinea pigs.
c) not so latest build for a beta subscriber :guinea pigs
d) not really the latest build distribute for general public, mostly outdated build:guinea pigs.
why b) , c) and d) are not the same?. after all, all this group of person are doing the same task.
No you aren't.
Care to elaborate on how he isn't?
Or do you simply believe neufuse has a lot to gain from saying he is? o_O
Or do you simply believe neufuse has a lot to gain from saying he is? o_O
Because there is no such build (yet).
I don't think Neufuse would lie, maybe he is mistaken?
Brandon Live works for MS and I believe if there was a 7025 build he would know about it.
Anyhow, perhaps neufuse is simply just mistaken as Frank suggested.
Or do you simply believe neufuse has a lot to gain from saying he is? o_O
Because there is no such build (yet).
Yep you are correct, there shouldn't of been a two in there... been having a bad week must of mistyped that... the gf was in a serious wreck and haven't been checking my posts to carefully before posting because of the stress its been putting on me... I think I hit the two when typing the number below it on the number pad when typing... have a bad habbit of doing that when typing on the number pad...
On another note, By this time in the development stage, i really hoped to see a more customizable installation process - Allowing you to choose parts of Windows like most Linux Distributions let you. Oh well, At least i suppose you can remove them later ("Turn Off Windows Features"
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Stop freaking, we had those two days ago.
Gosh, this is what? My second comment on Neowin since I was born?
2.44GB
Yep, my bad. 2.44
No, 7xxx build is beta and RC branch and 7000 is beta 1. The other interim builds are internal branches outside of main testing branch based on 7xxx. The only time they will release or use a new build for beta 1 is if a major bug is found which hasn't occurred.
didn't noticed any difference yet, except homegroups non compatibility with 6956 build. well, maybe this build runs even little bit faster, but maybe it's only my imagination.
didn't noticed any difference yet, except homegroups non compatibility with 6956 build. well, maybe this build runs even little bit faster, but maybe it's only my imagination.
What are the librarys exactly?
didn't noticed any difference yet, except homegroups non compatibility with 6956 build. well, maybe this build runs even little bit faster, but maybe it's only my imagination.
What are the librarys exactly?
Guys,
It's libraries
didn't noticed any difference yet, except homegroups non compatibility with 6956 build. well, maybe this build runs even little bit faster, but maybe it's only my imagination.
What are the librarys exactly?
Libraries as you would normally think is a collection of stuff. In this case it's a collection of folders. Just like you'd go to the Library for a collection of books, in windows 7 it's a collection of folders. You can have the contents of several folders show up in 1 folder. Say like your downloads. You save them in Videos/Temp/Download/Data folders - you can create a library called "Downloads" or whtaever and the contents of ALL those folders would be in the 1 library. You can include external drives or network shares as well. It updates on the fly so if someone else adds something to that network share it will show up in the library as well.
It's libraries
yeah, thanks. obvious typo =p
and yes, I mean feature, not some dll's.
didn't noticed any difference yet, except homegroups non compatibility with 6956 build. well, maybe this build runs even little bit faster, but maybe it's only my imagination.
What are the librarys exactly?
Libraries as you would normally think is a collection of stuff. In this case it's a collection of folders. Just like you'd go to the Library for a collection of books, in windows 7 it's a collection of folders. You can have the contents of several folders show up in 1 folder. Say like your downloads. You save them in Videos/Temp/Download/Data folders - you can create a library called "Downloads" or whtaever and the contents of ALL those folders would be in the 1 library. You can include external drives or network shares as well. It updates on the fly so if someone else adds something to that network share it will show up in the library as well.
Thanks, I was thinking of something else, so Libraries in W7 refers to what are essentially virtual folders?
yes exactly it connect content of differnt folder/places(like two different harddrives) and show you them all in one place
I don't need to have spell check to appreciate the fact that any Windows 7 computer can open DOCX and ODF files.
Uh, because that IS Aero and requires the DWM. The whole point of the "Basic" theme is that it is a *legacy* mode for when the DWM is unavailable (ie. unsupported hardware).
I guess he mean, why they didn't design basic theme same as aero theme looks (with effects stripped off). and I agree
Please read my post again. It is not possible to do that without the DWM running.
You're asking why it doesn't look like the DWM is running when the DWM isn't running. If that were possible, there'd be no need for the DWM. Making the "Basic" theme look like Aero would mean rewriting the legacy themes service.
Instead, effort has been focused on making sure you never had to be using the legacy themes service. That's why it's called legacy.
There are plenty of visual styles out there that try to make the window borders look shiny and ice-like, without being see through, shadowed, or blurred like it would be with DWM on. Personally, the basic theme is ugly (that's why I have Aero enabled) I suppose they're wondering why it couldn't be made to at least resemble Jade from longhorn.
You're asking why it doesn't look like the DWM is running when the DWM isn't running. If that were possible, there'd be no need for the DWM. Making the "Basic" theme look like Aero would mean rewriting the legacy themes service.
Instead, effort has been focused on making sure you never had to be using the legacy themes service. That's why it's called legacy.
I understand what you mean, but I meant no DWM features. Just why not draw borders more alike Aero theme? I guess it's because rounded corners look ugly without some anti-aliasing filters, but they sure need to changemodify basic apperance. Even if noone supposed to use it.
Yes with the right hardware and drivers you can run aero glass and whole shibang.
Edit: According to Windows SuperSite, it opens Windows Photo Viewer to view image files you open.
I just found out, Windows Photo Viewer is back!
(i should say that i don't know for sure as i'm installing it now but that's how it was in 6956)
Windows Photo Viewer = a severely cripped Windows Photo Gallery viewer minus the gallery.
It won't compress much at all bud, you'd be lucky to save a couple hundred MB.
You can compress it much more because Microsoft themselves uses special algorithms to compress it already. The "Install.wim" file is about 1GB but it expands to 4GB or something.
pcbeta had stop to reg.. a new user...
I must say though, I'm starting to be VERY skeptical about the new taskbar. It seems like so much of the time I'm having to go through extra hovers, waits, and clicks to get to the window I want compared to the old taskbar. Not to mention the inconsistencies introduced (the new way Live Messenger works with it is horrible). Sure, you can switch it to use the old-style task management, but then pinned items move all over the bar depending on what programs are running - which looks, and is, horrible. Then you're forced to either use the floating icons, or un-pin everything, when what you really want is to have the old quick-launch back. Would it be too hard to have a "Show pinned, but not running, programs first" option? I think this alone would remove the confusion of what's running and what isn't, and allow people that want the old functionality to get (just about) everything back the way it was in Vista.
They also need an option to *not* let you switch IE tabs from the taskbar. I typically group tabs in IE windows based on task - now this grouping is totally useless from the taskbar, as they are all lumped together into a single list of tabs!! Why not add a "Don't display application tabs" option?
I'm beginning to wish they just left the taskbar alone and only added interactive thumbnails and Aero-peek (like, automatically when you hover over the button on the taskbar), and possibly the new behavior for grouped buttons (when you run out of room).
It feels like someone at MS decided that options are bad, and that an app should only show up one place (e.g. the fact that an item can't be pinned both on the taskbar and start menu). This is a horrible idea, because historically one of the best things about the Windows UI was that you had many ways to accomplish the same task (use the menu, use the toolbar button, use the keyboard short-cut, right-click, etc) - now that seems to be all going away in an attempt to simplifiy the UI.
Overall, I'm less than impressed with the new UI of 7, but quite impressed with the other enhancements. Devices are easier to install, it boots faster, and I actually got it running usably on an old 1.4GHz laptop with 512MB RAM, but if the UI still sucks at RTM, I'll probably skip this upgrade...
actually it's very simple to recognize instantly what's running and what's not, however I agree that for some people it's kinda hard to recognize that glassy borders. I guess the solution is putting some little glowing on background of running icon (same as when you hover pointer over icon, but less bright)
That's right, some people already requested this option.
people usually forget what beta is for. actually nothing is decided for sure yet, and it's on beta testers responsibility to send feedback and get things right way, before product technically finalized.
and don't forget that what is usable for you, maybe horrible for others.
UI is very important part of OS, don't underestimate it.
The biggest issue I have is that when you have multiple windows grouped together you can't click on the icon to minimise / restore them, whereas with a single window you can. That means I have to manually select and minimise / restore each window. It's also annoying when the thumbnail previews don't display, instead showing an icon for the window - that completely defeats the point of Aero Peak. It would also be nice if the taskbar kept adding a tab on the side for each window open, rather than stopping at two.
So, I'm not completely convinced myself. Having now used it I don't feel it is as intuitive as the videos lead me to believe. It's just not the innovation I was expecting from the guy that introduced the Office Ribbon. I was looking forward to Windows 7 but now I feel it's not enough to justify the upgrade. Hopefully more features will be revealed / more tweaks will be made or they'll offer a cheap upgrade for Vista users.
I'm saying that despite the improvements in under-the-hood, the poor UI changes make it a less usable OS. If they took the Corvette and added another 200HP, improved fuel efficiency, but removed power steering. Would you buy the new Corvette?
From what I've heard, it's not very likely that things will change, but if they do, it will only be because of feedback from users. Hence, this post, and my feedback sent to MS.
Let me give an example of why the new taskbar is inferior. I have 3 IE windows running each with 4 tabs open. I'm currently on a Wiki page about medival weaponry, and then switch to Word. I type a little, then I want to get back to the page I was looking at in IE.
In Vista I can see the 3 open IE windows, out of the three I pick out the one I want from the title, I move the mouse to the one I want, and click on it.
In 7 I have to hover over the icon, wait for the pop-up, and now I'm presented with 12 open tabs to sort through. After looking across the screen for the tab I'm interested in, I move the mouse to the one I want, and then, finally, click on the thumbnail to get back to the same IE tab I was on before switching to Word. Much more complicated, clumsy, and frustrating.
The changes that have caused the problem are:
1. I've lost the ability to quickly see what's running when I only have a few windows open, since now windows are always grouped
2. The active tab in a window has now become meaningless. I typically keep tabs open for pages that I may not be interested in at the moment, but will be later. Having lost the concept of the active tab in the window manager forces me to sort through these tabs, making it hard to get back to what I was looking at.
This may sound like a minor thing, but when you do this 100s of times a day, it starts to become extremely annoying.
Last edited by JonathanMarston on 27 Dec 2008 - 20:57
That's why there is an option for this.
In IE, go to Tools -> Internet Options -> Tab Settings -> "Show individual tab previews in the taskbar."
In Vista I can see the 3 open IE windows, out of the three I pick out the one I want from the title, I move the mouse to the one I want, and click on it.
In 7 I have to hover over the icon, wait for the pop-up, and now I'm presented with 12 open tabs to sort through. After looking across the screen for the tab I'm interested in, I move the mouse to the one I want, and then, finally, click on the thumbnail to get back to the same IE tab I was on before switching to Word. Much more complicated, clumsy, and frustrating.
The changes that have caused the problem are:
1. I've lost the ability to quickly see what's running when I only have a few windows open, since now windows are always grouped
2. The active tab in a window has now become meaningless. I typically keep tabs open for pages that I may not be interested in at the moment, but will be later. Having lost the concept of the active tab in the window manager forces me to sort through these tabs, making it hard to get back to what I was looking at.
This may sound like a minor thing, but when you do this 100s of times a day, it starts to become extremely annoying.
the whole thing is about option "Don't display application tabs". UPD: Brandon Live explained how to use this option
also, you don't have to hover and wait for thumbnails, you can click and it will apear instantly. And if you click on icon, previews of chosen app won't dissapear untill you click somewhere else.
Last edited by х.iso on 27 Dec 2008 - 21:45
In IE, go to Tools -> Internet Options -> Tab Settings -> "Show individual tab previews in the taskbar."
That will help alot, thanks! But why was it decided to bury this option in IE, when the more logical place for it is in the taskbar properties? Does this mean that as other programs add this capability, I'll have to turn it off for them one-by-one? This really seems like one of those ideas that seems cool on paper (I thought it looked cool from the PDC presentation), but in practice ends up being at best not very useful, and at worst, extremely frustrating. Should this really be the default behavior?
In IE, go to Tools -> Internet Options -> Tab Settings -> "Show individual tab previews in the taskbar."
That will help alot, thanks! But why was it decided to bury this option in IE, when the more logical place for it is in the taskbar properties? Does this mean that as other programs add this capability, I'll have to turn it off for them one-by-one? This really seems like one of those ideas that seems cool on paper (I thought it looked cool from the PDC presentation), but in practice ends up being at best not very useful, and at worst, extremely frustrating. Should this really be the default behavior?
send feedback that you want option to turn off application tabs previews.
I hope they change it, but I guess at beta 1 stage it's too late.
In IE, go to Tools -> Internet Options -> Tab Settings -> "Show individual tab previews in the taskbar."
That will help alot, thanks! But why was it decided to bury this option in IE, when the more logical place for it is in the taskbar properties? Does this mean that as other programs add this capability, I'll have to turn it off for them one-by-one? This really seems like one of those ideas that seems cool on paper (I thought it looked cool from the PDC presentation), but in practice ends up being at best not very useful, and at worst, extremely frustrating. Should this really be the default behavior?
That would make no sense. The taskbar has no idea that IE has decided to show its tabs there, so how can it disallow just that case?
The API allows applications to provide their own list of windows and custom thumbnails / previews. The taskbar has no clue what the application is going to do with that ability. The application is the only place where it's *possible* to disable an application-specific feature.
I hope they change it, but I guess at beta 1 stage it's too late.
Have you given yourself a little time to adjust? It's a lot like the Office 2007 ribbon. A lot of people are scared because it looks different at first, so they look for a way to change it back to the familiar look and behavior.
But if you use it for a little while it becomes clear that it's a way better solution.
In my experience, the same is true of the new taskbar. My only gripe with it has been the difficult in switching to a specific IE window (as I tend to open multiple windows for different tasks, each with its own set of tabs). And while I still think this particular task is harder with the default settings, I have not changed them because I find all the other advantages to outweigh that one little gripe.
I hope they change it, but I guess at beta 1 stage it's too late.
Have you given yourself a little time to adjust? It's a lot like the Office 2007 ribbon. A lot of people are scared because it looks different at first, so they look for a way to change it back to the familiar look and behavior.
But if you use it for a little while it becomes clear that it's a way better solution.
In my experience, the same is true of the new taskbar. My only gripe with it has been the difficult in switching to a specific IE window (as I tend to open multiple windows for different tasks, each with its own set of tabs). And while I still think this particular task is harder with the default settings, I have not changed them because I find all the other advantages to outweigh that one little gripe.
I only played with it for about 20 minutes.
(I got steered to the server beta tech beta program after XP somehow and haven't gotten to test Windows clients lately.
I didn't have any difficulty using it, it just didn't seem like an improvement. It didn't really seem clear which icons were running applications and which were the pinned shortcuts. My roommate was totally confused with it, but he's a Vista newbie.
It needs better cues like having the icons for the running apps larger or something. The clear highlight on the glass background is easy to miss.
I'll be clicking the "Feedback" button like mad when I have access to it.
In Vista I can see the 3 open IE windows, out of the three I pick out the one I want from the title, I move the mouse to the one I want, and click on it.
In 7 I have to hover over the icon, wait for the pop-up, and now I'm presented with 12 open tabs to sort through. After looking across the screen for the tab I'm interested in, I move the mouse to the one I want, and then, finally, click on the thumbnail to get back to the same IE tab I was on before switching to Word. Much more complicated, clumsy, and frustrating.
This may sound like a minor thing, but when you do this 100s of times a day, it starts to become extremely annoying.
I agree with you 150% and I haven't used the beta yet, but just from what you have been saying and what I've been saying. I too already have had serious debates with people about this. Those extra seconds waiting for something else to pop up is just not good. Plus looking at even a smaller window with stuff.
I don't get it. Do their developers really think that is going to help them out? Have they tried it?
We only wish
http://www.evenbalance.com/troubleticket/n...t.php?game=cod4
I submitted feedback. I know it is a Beta OS and all, but shouldn't games be tested to an extent?
I have not tried gaming on 7, period. Google tells me that it is just the same as Vista betas though.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Punkb...Search&aq=f&oq=
Why don't you test games WITHOUT punkbuster? You know, some of them do have a single player option too, right?
Why don't you test games WITHOUT punkbuster? You know, some of them do have a single player option too, right?
Intelman did specifically say "test online gaming"
Though, at this time, I bet it would be possible to just avoid punk buster servers all together for testing. For actual play, it would be hard to limit ones self.
Think of all that has to come together. Network Stack, Video, Sound for an online game to work.
I remember on XP, with certain network cards one would have to stop the Wireless Zero Config service, because every 60 seconds there would be a slight spike in lag because Windows was looking for another network. Problems like that have to be avoided, though I bet there are next to none.
Last edited by lflashl on 28 Dec 2008 - 11:20
Maybe that only meant burning them and they probably want to save some features for Windows 8
Maybe that only meant burning them and they probably want to save some features for Windows 8
http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html
Good point where are the ultimate extras gone?
- able to ping my Exchange server using name or FQDN, BUT Outlook 2007 won't find the server unless I specify its internal IP; that way it finds the FQDN, no prob', but doesn't go any further, once the FQDN is retrieved. "The connection to Microsoft Exchange is unavailable. Outlook must be online or connected to complete this action"
- same thing when I specify my DNS and WINS servers within my VPN connection settings; it doesn't fix a thing...
- Outlook is not the only application impacted, other Management Consoles won't find their server unless their internal IP is specified
- last message from Outlook before closing, when manually entering my settings: "Cannot open your default e-mails folders. You must connect to Microsoft Exchange with the current user profile before you can synchronize your folders with your offline folder file."
Any ideas?
Last edited by Iscariah on 28 Dec 2008 - 21:03
The ribbon interface is in some of the included apps, not the OS itself.
For some reason my screen looks a lot more vibrant.. but that could be anything.
David.
Tried the last build but not all the bootcamp drivers worked...
Tried the last build but not all the bootcamp drivers worked...
All the "coot camp drivers" you are refering to are only normal drivers.
Use PC Wizard to figure out what soundcard,display adapter and so on you have, and then download the drivers.
Is Windows 7 really only going to be 6.1 or will that number change when its released?
Is Windows 7 really only going to be 6.1 or will that number change when its released?
Have you not been keeping up on the news with Windows 7 ?
They've kept the NT6 kernel basis from vista and improved it for compatibility sake. Same as XP did.
Well it's almost necessary at the moment. x86-64 isn't "true 64bit" and actually only adds extended memory capability pretty much. Vista was a memory hog so the need for more ram was obvious which prompted increase want for 64bit uptake. Windows 7 is about as light as XP and 2GB performs perfectly well as it did under XP. So to cut x86 would be like killing off enitre consumer market and making us all go buy itanium system... is that what you really want to do ?
I sure as hell think so.
At least one person out there thinks the leak was by none other than Microsoft: Microsoft Watch.
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