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10 Ways Vista is more annoying with Windows 7 available

We all know Windows Vista got a bit of a bum rap. Its biggest sin was that it shipped earlier than it should and its reputation has never recovered.

However, with Windows 7 now out, those of us who have to switch between PCs now find ourselves discovering completely new things about Windows Vista that are annoying -- because they are things that Windows 7 made so much better.

Here's our list...


#1 "Program not responding"

Windows Vista loved to throw programs under the bus for not responding. This was especially true of Windows Explorer which regularly would fade out a window because it was trying to access a network resource.

It was always annoying before but the realization that this is a rare occurrence on Windows 7 makes it all the more annoying when we're forced to use Windows Vista again.

#2 Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure?

Windows Vista was the culmination of Microsoft's goal to have every action have a "are you sure?" dialog. Nothing illustrated this as much as the User Access Control console. In Windows 7, you can now fine tune this and with third party programs like Tweak7 you can even turn off the annoying "secure" desktop whose security remains theoretical.

#3 You want to change your resolution? Then you must go on a sacred quest first.

With Windows XP, a user could right-click on their desktop and go to properties. Windows Vista decided to do away with that and instead send people to personalization which gave quick access to, amongst other things...fonts.

Thankfully, Windows 7 brings back a direct way to change screen resolution for those of us who find themselves occasionally doing so.

#4 The System Tray is a mess.

I had no idea how bad the Windows Vista system tray was until I had the pleasure of working with Windows 7 for awhile.

#5 Windows Explorer -- everything except what you need.

The Windows Vista explorer wasn't bad -- until you got to use the Windows 7 one.

#6 A dark time for skinning

Sure, YOU might not be into skinning. But lots of people are and Microsoft hard coded enough weird graphics into the UI to make it a pain to customize compared to Windows 7.

#7 Cyan borders? Really?

Someone at Microsoft thought it would be a great idea if the borders of Aero on Windows Vista were cyan. I didn't really notice or care that much until after I started using Windows 7 and then that along with the weird glare texture in Windows Vista's aero title bars really started to grate.

#8 Libraries are nice

The user folder is a concept Linux and Mac users have had for years. Windows Vista started moving to this metaphor but Windows 7 really builds on it and the addition of libraries makes things that much easier to organize.

#9 Common sense device management

Adding and managing with common devices on Vista wasn't noticeably annoying at the time because it was actually better than it was on XP. But after having an actual devices folder, it's hard to go back.

#10 Home Groups

I think it's a bit lame that Microsoft didn't backport the new home groups to Windows Vista. As a result, if you have a household of Windows 7 boxes that can now easily work together on a home group, that remaining Windows Vista box (or two or three) that is still painful to simply access a video or an image from is all the more annoying.

Much of this really boils down to the strengths of Windows 7 more than the weaknesses of Windows Vista. But it's been many years since I've loaded up a version of Windows and found the previous version so annoying.

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#3 never applied to me I have always been able to right click, go to properties and change my resolution. My crashes have been WINDOWS EXPLORER or IE (since replaced with Firefox). Haven't seen a blue screen of death like the old days.

Never really found any of the above 9 annoying and the number 1 up there.. I've had more program crashes on Windows 7 than Vista. The program is being held together by a thread. Need to go thru some video's then I'm switching back. And one of the most annoying issue's I've had.... Going between XP and Vista never have hard drive corruption. (external) I go from Vista to 7 and vice versa, have to run hard drive repair every time. And plug and play isn't always available on Windows 7. Yeah the create new folder is okay, but ho hum. I can do that on my own. Only real plus as I've said before is video thumbnails are fixed and the fan is a little quieter under 7. Waiting till 8.

I think the worst feature is the speed when you are copy / managing file.

In performance, Windows 7 is quite equal to windows Vista plus they fixed the file problem.

that is so true. i had file transfers go from 10 min to 6 days, 43 min, and 10 secs ( which really only took 10 min). my first encounter with that i fell off my chair. soon i learned to ignore it.

vista has been a real learning experience for me. it made me upgrade my pc, no make that bought a new setup, that now i'm in windows 7 it payed. 5.9 on a two year old pc

This article is not going anywhere. What we must state here is for what computers are today. Vista users who still support it is because they have their own reasons, upgrading or not, is their decision, at least, is not an obsolete OS.

In my opinion I would stick with 7, why? IS FASTER. That's what casual computer users look for.

Why has several people moved from Vista to Mac or to Vista to XP? Because it was slower and it, without any reason at all, programs stopped working. That's why Windows 7 has come lately with bad fame at all.

But, is time to change, computers can handle both OSes very good.

What ****s them is the pre installed crap ware and startup programs. Ccleaner and Advanced System Care is the antidote for that.

Windows 7 is Microsoft's most compatible system making it the best OS that is better user friendly and easier in almost every way to use than the previous OS (Now anyone can format a computer, win 7 possess a bunch of drivers in its core, making it easier to use all of the computer's hardware as if it were pre-installed).

Ending it here, I must say that everything has its Pros and Cons. Either 7, Vista, Linux, Mac. Is your choice, but XP user or 2000 user (if anyone) is time to change.

I wouldn't necessarily call the common sense device management, common sense.

It appears that Windows 7 has somehow put together that my integrated web-cam is my HP Office-jet Pro 8500 printer, because it has 'scan capability'.

Windows 7 overall though is a HUGE improvement over running Vista.

#4 The System Tray is a mess.

You can hide some of the icons just like Windows 7 but without the popup windows in 7 while Vista just covers them with the " > ". You just set if you wanted the icon to always show, hide, or show notifications.

Lol sometimes I wonder whether is it me or I just didn't seem to have such problems with two of the 'worst' Microsoft operating systems ever. Back then when my laptop came with Windows ME it worked excellent and I rarely got any BSODs, at least not more than on Windows 98.

When I first switched to Windows Vista I had some performance problems at first but well I added in another 1GB stick and all went well.

Having been on the Windows 7 beta program, I admit that Windows 7 feels better than Windows Vista. But then again at the start I had problems adapting to Windows 7. For one, I would much prefer to have a opaque taskbar and a opaque fully-maximised window as in Vista; it was kinda distracting with Windows 7 at first. In the end I had to change my wallpaper to one that wouldn't stand out too much in the background. Of course, I didn't want to disable transparency completely.

But what I'm getting at is that I believe Vista wasn't THAT bad of an OS, in fact there are hardly any new groundbreaking features in 7 as there were in Vista, apart from maybe say the library. It's just whether you want to force yourself to adapt to it. If Vista had all the good publicity Windows 7 had, I think most of us would've been used to it and wouldn't think it's such a bad OS.

trenzterra said,
But what I'm getting at is that I believe Vista wasn't THAT bad of an OS, in fact there are hardly any new groundbreaking features in 7 as there were in Vista, apart from maybe say the library. It's just whether you want to force yourself to adapt to it. If Vista had all the good publicity Windows 7 had, I think most of us would've been used to it and wouldn't think it's such a bad OS.


It's true. Vista was the first OS to display transparency and thumbnails in the taksbar (while hovering).

About publicity. I don't think so, Vista had a lot a lot but a lot of publicity. If you feel that 7 had more is because they needed to recover from that loss. The problem was that computer's at that time they barely could run Windows Vista at its full power.

1 GB computer in 2006 was a rarity, you needed to spend thousands of dollars to get one.

Yes, I understand Vista had lots of publicity (I still remember the Wow Starts Here or something campaign), but it was FUD on the part of users that killed it.

I guess where Microsoft went wrong was that towards the end, they were already far, far behind schedule and had to rush it out quickly rather than later.

As a result, at launch, there were still certain teething problems and issues of poor drivers to be sorted out. It's just a pity that when SP1 and subsequently SP2 came, the perception of Vista was such that no one could trust it anymore.

With Windows 7, I guess Microsoft did a great job in making sure that it runs well out of the box.

Furthermore, Windows Vista probably upset a great deal of tech enthusiasts. What was outlined during PDC 2003 and what we eventually got in 2006 was way off. WinFS? Dead and Gone.

Billus said,
Name 1 perfect OS

The OS that lets you get your work done and doesn't get in your way. Perfection will thus vary from person to person.

Vista's problem wasn't that it shipped early (It took over 5 years to develop), but that it was a piece of crap.

Foub said,
Vista's problem wasn't that it shipped early (It took over 5 years to develop), but that it was a piece of crap.

uh yeah
i ran vista for 2 years w/o major issues
perhaps you should move from the pentium 2 with 128 megs of ram

Foub said,
Vista's problem wasn't that it shipped early (It took over 5 years to develop), but that it was a piece of crap.

Vista was developed in 2 years (2004-2006).
The other 3 years went to Longhorn.

I agree there are some annoying factors within Windows 7, more annoying than Windows Vista, but #10...? If you do not understand the hardware connected to your machine in my view you shouldn't have one. Does Microsoft think the entire computing community is plain thick, they need pictures to tell them what their hardware looks like when it is staring them in the face?

Dude, it's the fact that ALL of your device settings can be found in one place!

And since I've worked/work tech support I can say: "YES, 90% of people need pictures to figure out what they have!"

1# Currently very rare issue in Vista, same like in W7
2# This problem persist, but it's the same like in linux, so don't thing that your Ubuntu will let you do anything administrative without prompts..
3# Changing sreen resolution is only one more click away in Vista. No problem here and W7 got it wrong. Almost nobody will use it..
4# Completely nonsense. W7 tray in not better in any way. In Vista you can also hide every specific icon.
5# I agree, however also W7 explorer sucks in this part. You may miss New Folder button, other miss Delete button. Those commands should be fully customizable from beginning.
6# I don't feel a need to customize or change beautiful Aero interface and 99% user neither.
7# Another flame point. There is nothing wrong with Aero windows borders.
8# Libraries are mixed bag. I don't need them myself.
9# Nothing really amazing, must have, killer feature. Just different.
10# Same like 8#

Overall is this article cheap wanna-flame bunch of nonsense. Vista SP2 is excellent OS and only drawback may be a need for more tweaking after installation and disabling some services, but it is not worse than Windows 7. I could compile myself similar article about things in Windows 7 what are worse than Vista...

6205 said,
1# Currently very rare issue in Vista, same like in W7
2# This problem persist, but it's the same like in linux, so don't thing that your Ubuntu will let you do anything administrative without prompts..
3# Changing sreen resolution is only one more click away in Vista. No problem here and W7 got it wrong. Almost nobody will use it..
4# Completely nonsense. W7 tray in not better in any way. In Vista you can also hide every specific icon.
5# I agree, however also W7 explorer sucks in this part. You may miss New Folder button, other miss Delete button. Those commands should be fully customizable from beginning.
6# I don't feel a need to customize or change beautiful Aero interface and 99% user neither.
7# Another flame point. There is nothing wrong with Aero windows borders.
8# Libraries are mixed bag. I don't need them myself.
9# Nothing really amazing, must have, killer feature. Just different.
10# Same like 8#

Overall is this article cheap wanna-flame bunch of nonsense. Vista SP2 is excellent OS and only drawback may be a need for more tweaking after installation and disabling some services, but it is not worse than Windows 7. I could compile myself similar article about things in Windows 7 what are worse than Vista...


I love Vista too...

but sorry, it's nowhere as great as Windows 7.

6205 said,
1# Currently very rare issue in Vista, same like in W7
2# This problem persist, but it's the same like in linux, so don't thing that your Ubuntu will let you do anything administrative without prompts..
3# Changing sreen resolution is only one more click away in Vista. No problem here and W7 got it wrong. Almost nobody will use it..
4# Completely nonsense. W7 tray in not better in any way. In Vista you can also hide every specific icon.
5# I agree, however also W7 explorer sucks in this part. You may miss New Folder button, other miss Delete button. Those commands should be fully customizable from beginning.
6# I don't feel a need to customize or change beautiful Aero interface and 99% user neither.
7# Another flame point. There is nothing wrong with Aero windows borders.
8# Libraries are mixed bag. I don't need them myself.
9# Nothing really amazing, must have, killer feature. Just different.
10# Same like 8#

Overall is this article cheap wanna-flame bunch of nonsense. Vista SP2 is excellent OS and only drawback may be a need for more tweaking after installation and disabling some services, but it is not worse than Windows 7. I could compile myself similar article about things in Windows 7 what are worse than Vista...

I completely agree!! This article is extremely weak. Most of the points are non-points. When one point is complaining about Cyan window edges you know your clutching at straws.

I had W7 on my laptop but after a few days I went back to Vista.

One thing which would have been number 1 on my list -

How messy the taskbar now is in Windows Vista (not just the system tray, but the taskpane also).

Text labels, not grouping all Windows, a 'Quick Launch' seperate to running instances, not being able to move taskbar items around... Also, the taskbar looks ugly to me because I cannot make icons larger, like they are as default in Windows 7. Another thing that I dislike after using Windows 7: we are unable make the taskbar fully transparent like it is in Windows 7...

I thought the taskbar was ugly and cluttered in Vista before I saw 7, but now, after using 7 for so long, it seems even worse to me.

#1 may still not result in faster access of network devices though, only that the search is done asynchronously.
#2 can be debated, given the known admin elevation exploit to run arbitrary stuff as admin without questions despite UAC in the default setting. This wasn't possible in Vista.

It's also missing the number one thing for me -- speed.

Try switching between 7 (at home) and XP (at work)

I could upgrade to 7 at work, but its a DEV PC and right now it works and don't want to screw around with it.

Can we have another list, for why XP is better;
XP doesn't mess up on the 2nd boot it has and make itself inoperable
Disabling automatic restart in XP works, in 7 it still restarts
Windows 7 litters 4GB of files onto your drive that you can only remove if you format
Windows 7 uses some kind of... I don't know what it is, but some kind of **** so you're not able to delete the program files, program files (x64), windows or users directory from another OS (including windows XP)

n_K said,
Can we have another list, for why XP is better;
XP doesn't mess up on the 2nd boot it has and make itself inoperable
Disabling automatic restart in XP works, in 7 it still restarts
Windows 7 litters 4GB of files onto your drive that you can only remove if you format
Windows 7 uses some kind of... I don't know what it is, but some kind of **** so you're not able to delete the program files, program files (x64), windows or users directory from another OS (including windows XP)


Ugghh, yes, just throw best practices out the window. These are not issues.

n_K said,
Can we have another list, for why XP is better;
XP doesn't mess up on the 2nd boot it has and make itself inoperable
Disabling automatic restart in XP works, in 7 it still restarts
Windows 7 litters 4GB of files onto your drive that you can only remove if you format
Windows 7 uses some kind of... I don't know what it is, but some kind of **** so you're not able to delete the program files, program files (x64), windows or users directory from another OS (including windows XP)

1. Neither does 7.
2. Works in 7, as well.
3. What are you talking about?
4. Those are called ACL's (Access Control List), something even XP has...

1) No it does, because it happend to me
2) And it didn't work because it still automatically rebooted
3) Go get winhex and see how 4gb is used in 'un-named directories' and you can't free the space
4) Evidently not, you can't delete them because there is something about that does NOT comply with the NTFS standard. XP can't remove them (I'm trying to remove 7 off my other drive because it messed up on the 2nd boot) and neither can linux. That's when you know you shouldn't ever be using it.

Just because something happened to you does not make it an 'issue' with 7.

1) I've not yet had a Windows 7 machine do this.
2) It doesn't reboot here.
3) Where is this hidden 4GB? I don't see this :/
4) Format the drive?

1) Mine has
2) Does here
3) You don't see it because it's hidden. Get winhex and open your drive to see the 'NOT IN A DIRECTORY' files.
And no, you can't delete them unless you format
4) I don't see why I should format my drive (put it back to windows xp using the Old folder) when it decided to corrupt my drive and install **** I didn't authourise.

You did authorize it, you installed Windows 7 and all it comes with.
I have installed 7 on 4 machines. None have problems. To deal with undeleteable files, just go into the ownership dialog and take ownership of them. You will then be able to delete them! Magic!

I'm surprised they didn't mention Aero Snaps. How disappointing to use any other OS Mac included without this simple yet necessary piece of functionality.

+1 with that cringe worthy cyan border. In fact I didnt even notice it in 7 until this article brought it up again. But then again I was using skins, which then came to that strange 'swish' logo that didn't really work for an operating system.
Plus too much green and yellow in the default backgrounds. erk!

I don't really agree with #8. I prefer to not have any libraries in 7, as they take longer to load up; and this is with just one folder in the library. So I just pin the normal folders on Windows Explorer on the Superbar.

one problem i notice with Windows 7 x64 RTM Home Premium is that it seems to clear it's thumbnail cache for no reason and it's getting annoying reloading the thumbnail cache.

anyone else have this issue? (and i clean installed from the disc to so that cant be the problem)

and before anyone says anything... i DO have CCleaner installed BUT i UNCHECKED the thumbnail clearing stuff so that's not clearing it. (i.e. this cant be the issue)

p.s. and doing a random google search there seems to be at least 1 other person who has the same issue i got here... tinyurl dot com/yfuzkze (seems it's been in the early beta's to from what he said)

#5 Windows Explorer -- everything except what you need. Same goes for one in windows 7. Ijust cannot do simple things I was able in XP. Here's the example. I have folder with lot of mp3 files in it. I wanted to burn a CD using imgburn. It has drag & drop UI so you need to select certain amount of files in explorer to make 700MB in total. Win7 explorer does not show total size of selected files - you need to click on "More info" to see that. How stupid is that? And you cannot release shift key while doing it, otherwise all your selection is gone. It's just so annoying.
Another thing. You have a folder with mp3 files. Explorer is showing me Title, Artist, etc. even though I didn't ask it to do it. OK, whatever. Then I delete all mp3 from the folder and copy normal files in there and guess what - it's still showing me Title, Artist, etc. (emty ones of course) but no file size, last update date.
And another thing which already started in Vista.
Instead of asking plain and simple (from left to right)
Yes,No,YesToAll,NoToAll,etc.
it is asking in Top-Down order (which get me confused all the time. I'm just not used to read from top to down, I prefer left to right)
Replace/Copy
Ignore
[ ] Apply to all
etc.

This is the reason I'm touching it as a very last resort ;)

anyone who burns music or any type of file on a regular basis uses a burning app instead of the built in one! Only nubs use the default crapware.

Baked said,
anyone who burns music or any type of file on a regular basis uses a burning app instead of the built in one! Only nubs use the default crapware.

Are you referring to imgburn as a crapware?

Although I agree with most of this....

#1 still happens in Win7 from time to time......but to be fair its more of a app issue than OS. Because you will find the same app's hang in win7, vista and xp and even 2000.

#4 wow I've never let my system try get that messy, guess some people have no idea how to tweak the notification area lol

#5 Ummm sure there was no shortcut, but you could always press the ALT key
and that would make the file/command toobar appear and you could select New Folder from the file section
eg: http://www.atsag.net/images/linked_2_forum..._new-folder.jpg

homegroups should be thrown out the window. it has only worked once for me with a fresh install but yet again win7 states that there are no homegroups. we have two pc's and two laptops connected thru via homegroups..

Homegroups not working can be as simple as installing something that causes your network profile to go from Home to Public. If you installed something like VirtualBox or VMWare Player, this may be why. Both of them add virtual network adapters.

Also add to the list: placing the Preview pane under Organize > Layout. It's still there in Windows 7 but the new Preview pane toggle button makes infinitely more sense.

except Vista didn't BSOD like ME did, and was a whole lot more reliable.

Infact had ME had the NT kernel, it could have been very successful, oh wait, they called that XP.

Yeah i just love the stability of the system although a few more options for the taskbar would have been nicer, especially to being able to drag any shortcut from the desktop, but its by far the best OS from MS.

I really like the window snapping features when you hit the sides of your screen while moving a window. If u
are running vista upgrading to 7 is a no brainer.

Shirosaki said,
You can get a utility to provide this functionality in XP and Vista, its called AeroSnap. For all those that haven't updated yet :)

ZOMG! You are my hero today. I was JUST thinking about how crappy it is that I don't have that feature at work because we are still using Windows XP.

Its a little jumpy in Windows XP. You have to be careful not to move the window at all while you release the mouse button or else it doesn't work quite right. Needs to be ironed out. One thing I've noticed, is it provides an easy way to "maximize" file dialog boxes, which was previously a real pain. I like it though.

So true, i'm VERY impressed with Windows 7. I'd never go back to Vista, not that I used it after it crashed and burned on me anyway.

That reminds me, one thing that is a big deal in Windows 7 is that the DWM is much much more hardware accelerated than it was under Vista.

I know others have posted about this but the min/close animations on windows pause for a split second beforehand. I wonder if that's by design. Vista's animations were smoother from my experience.

One important thing is missing, Vista's wireless connecting utility is too hard to find for n00bs!!! With Windows 7, its one click to open a list of available networks, with Vista and even XP it takes a few clicks to get to the same place 7 gets to in one click.

He means the difference between

Network Tray Icon -> (wait three full seconds for no reason) -> Connect to a network -> Scroll through VPN/PPPoE/Dialup connections and unwanted wireless networks in a giant window with a tiny scrollable field and enormous list items -> enter WiFi password

and

Network Tray Icon -> select network in a nice flyout list that sizes to fit the available networks -> enter WiFi password.

Karo - 323z IT said,
One important thing is missing, Vista's wireless connecting utility is too hard to find for n00bs!!! With Windows 7, its one click to open a list of available networks, with Vista and even XP it takes a few clicks to get to the same place 7 gets to in one click.

Yes, that's a very good point, but then the list would have 11 elements. That doesn't make for a nice round title-friendly figure, does it?

Vista should just be forgotten about altogether.

I think microsoft should send a free copy of 7 to every person who wasted money on vista along with a letter of apology.

Without Vista, we would be stuck on CPU load for everything. I'm glad Vista and 7 use the graphics card and the performance hit is noticeable with XP. GDI is plain annoying to be honest, Aero and DWM is simply something worth keeping. Its not just the wooshing and the glass, it is the ease of getting work done. Some people are scared of change yet when something gets too old they can't make up their minds and stay behind. Why not have a Ford Model T instead of a newer car, genius?

However businesses which have a pretty modern network of computers are the exception, they need the machine to get the work done even if it took ages but as long as it did it. Kind of a weird concept but its the business' problem.

And I've said it once, but I'll say it again. Without Vista, 7 isn't possible. Too bad people around here are too thick to figure that out.

FrozenEclipse said,
And I've said it once, but I'll say it again. Without Vista, 7 isn't possible. Too bad people around here are too thick to figure that out.

I saw this and it made me laugh; the reason when there is no other reason. I'm going to post the below analogy against my better judgement but I should note it is purely in humour.

Without HIV antiretroviral drugs wouldn't of been possible.

The cure does not excuse the disease

omni1 said,
The cure does not excuse the disease ;)

Windows Vista was a disease?
Okay, now you're really jumping on the bandwagon.

billyea said,
Windows Vista was a disease?
Okay, now you're really jumping on the bandwagon.

Did you even read the whole thread of replies you're responding to? I wasn't even on the bandwagon and you're just repeating a word you heard above (omg, jumping on the bandwagon).

No I was simply stating a bad taste joke that I knew would get some far-too-personally-invested-souls to pipe up. I have no opinion of Vista one way or the other.

compared to WIN7 (aka Race Horse) Vista was a bloated roting carcass thats lain to long in the sun yes sure sp2 provided a little shade but it still rots LONG LIVE 7

omni1 said,
Without HIV antiretroviral drugs wouldn't of been possible.

The cure does not excuse the disease ;)

What he probably meant and what I would say is that Windows 7 would not have been as good had Windows Vista not cleared the path to it before. Most of Vista's problems were from poor driver and application support. Windows 7, being mostly based on Vista's kernel, benefited greatly from the 2 years during which the Vista ecosystem matured.

PS: it's "wouldn't have" not "wouldn't of".

Jimmy422 said,
Vista wasn't terrible. Stop being such a bandwagon whore.

Sure it was. Compare the system requirements and speed on a 1 GB laptop. An OS shouldn't need 2 GB just to run smoothly.

And Windows 7 proves it wasn't necessary, but just sloppy coding.

Jugalator said,
Sure it was. Compare the system requirements and speed on a 1 GB laptop. An OS shouldn't need 2 GB just to run smoothly.

And Windows 7 proves it wasn't necessary, but just sloppy coding.

Meh, Vista ran faster than XP from day 1 on my Laptop with only 1gb of ram, go figure. And that was with Aero too

FrozenEclipse said,
And I've said it once, but I'll say it again. Without Vista, 7 isn't possible. Too bad people around here are too thick to figure that out.

I've been saying the same thing. At least there's a few people who understand life cycles/software development enough to know this basic concept.

FrozenEclipse said,
And I've said it once, but I'll say it again. Without Vista, 7 isn't possible. Too bad people around here are too thick to figure that out.

Vista would have been like Win 7 if they had worked on it longer. But it's a good chance that 7 is so good because Microsoft needed the kick in the pants! The same thing happened with XP because ME was so bad.

I don't know abouto #10. Home groups aren't very useful to me. But I can totally agree with the other 9. I don't think we'll be seeing Vista hanging around for too long. I can imagine existing Vista users upgrading to 7 once they hear how their PC's will improve and we all know the existing XP users are going to skip by Vista. Unfortunately I can see the days of Vista being relegated to the same legacy as ME.

+1 I disabled libraries and homegroups. What was wrong with sharing a folder? Now we just have 2 ways of doing the same thing, just another thing to cause problems.

It already is, just look at the post below. Most of the points are invalid for me, the main one that did apply to me though was how you had to hunt for the resolution setting, I'll never understand MS's logic on that one. Vista is an awesome OS and I still use it (only main machine was upgraded to 7 so far) and will always look back on it as a good OS. All those Vista bashers out there are just proof of how powerful the media is and the power of stupid people in large groups

homegroups are for full on noobs. I think its a good idea tbh but I share a folder the old way. At least you have a choice and they didnt try to force us all to go homegroup.

Libraries is incredible. I use it all the time! With SSDs, less storage space but faster HDDs, and now you can make a library that shows more than the usual folder but also on other HDs and networks resources. Media Streaming is great for pr0n hiding! Homegroups I would use for transferring large files and playing music and stuff if I had more computers but I don't.

ZeroHour said,
homegroups are for full on noobs. I think its a good idea tbh but I share a folder the old way. At least you have a choice and they didnt try to force us all to go homegroup.

Only posers call people n00bs

I have all my music on my laptop anyway, my desktop rarely gets turned on since I got a laptop. Only time it gets used is if my girlfriend and I both want to use a computer at the same time.

ZeroHour said,
homegroups are for full on noobs. I think its a good idea tbh but I share a folder the old way. At least you have a choice and they didnt try to force us all to go homegroup.


With 3 PCs, a Windows Home Server and a 360 as Media Center Extender I assure you Homegroups are quite useful, only a full on noob would assume there is special talent in sharing a folder "the old way" when you are managing several devices. Who are you trying to impress anyway?

Xerxes said,
It already is, just look at the post below. Most of the points are invalid for me, the main one that did apply to me though was how you had to hunt for the resolution setting, I'll never understand MS's logic on that one. Vista is an awesome OS and I still use it (only main machine was upgraded to 7 so far) and will always look back on it as a good OS. All those Vista bashers out there are just proof of how powerful the media is and the power of stupid people in large groups ;)


Almost couldn't agree more. More proof of the power of the media and the ignorance of people is Firefox, for example.Firefox is to browsers what Vista is to OS's!!

Why do you thnk Vista was nick named VistaMe, right off the bat?

As far as my opinion on Win7 though, have only tried to install it once so far and it threw my machine in a reboot loop from heck!! Thank goodness for backups!!

I don't think he's trying to impress anybody :s
A homegroup is just a shared set of libraries, and a library is just a glorified folder(s). IMO sharing a folder does exactly the same thing with less ****ing around.

majortom1981 said,
If you dont use homegroups you cant stream your music and vids from your home pc to your laptop easily.

Not trying to flame but why not? You can just share the folder the old way. Browse to the folder on the other pc and open the movie/music?

omganinja said,
I don't think he's trying to impress anybody :s
A homegroup is just a shared set of libraries, and a library is just a glorified folder(s). IMO sharing a folder does exactly the same thing with less ****ing around.


What is easier than joining your PCs to a homegroup with a single password?

HomeGroup is the most useful thing provided... It gets rid of all authentication issues in one shot and makes things a lot easier than before. It's really very useful if you Windows 7 installed on all machines.

Electric Jolt said,
Libraries is incredible. I use it all the time!

I agree fully! It's 2 simple clicks to share something now by adding it to a library that is already shared! Windows Vista file sharing was worse than XP.

cork1958 said,
Almost couldn't agree more. More proof of the power of the media and the ignorance of people is Firefox, for example.Firefox is to browsers what Vista is to OS's!!

I certainly hope you are not trying to tell people that Internet Explorer is a better browser than Firefox. Because, and while it is my opinion, Firefox is an outstanding browser and getting better with every revision, while Internet Explorer is barely able to keep up, and is by far the most annoying browser that I've used, and I've used plenty.

But I have to agree with you, Vista instantly reminded me of Window ME. It was like they took a steaming pile and then tried to dress it up so that we all thought is was bright and shiny.

You machine reboot could be due to an incompatibility of hardware, or an old BIOS revision. I've installed Win 7 on at least 30 different computers and have not yet had a single problem.