64-bit octa-core BlackBerry coming September, not 2015

A source has told Pocket-Lint that the rumoured octa-core 64-bit BlackBerry device will be coming in September of this year rather than in 2015, as previously thought.

The rumoured 64-bit, octa-core BlackBerry could now arrive this year rather than next

Pocket-Lint's source said that they were "100 per cent [certain]" that the device will definitely have a 64-bit processor and that it will support OpenGL 3 which will allow for incredibly detailed rendering of graphics, as well as support for advanced shading and 3D objects on the device. OpenGL is utilised in BlackBerry's current BlackBerry 10 OS but to limited effect and the new distribution that is rumoured to be included with this new handset will make many more features of OpenGL available to BlackBerry app developers.

The device is expected to use a Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8994 that will run at 2.5GHz per core.

Alongside this 8-core goliath, BlackBerry is also speculated to be working on a couple of handset ranges including successors to the W and B series and several mid-range articles, one of which is expected to be called the BlackBerry Ontario. Pocket-Lint's source has not yet informed them of any developments regarding these handsets, however. Depending on price, the octa-core monster at the centre of today's news could enable BlackBerry to get themselves right back onto the top of the smartphone mountain, at least in terms of good raw processing power.

Source: Pocket-Lint | Image via BlackBerry Czech

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I purchased a new phone recently and I was hesitating between Blackberry and Android. If they make an android version of that phone. I might consider to change again

Ubuntu was looking for a hardware manufacturer for their phone os but could find anyone to work with them. They should have bought BB back when it was about to die, kill BB os, and go that route, imo

Farchord said,
Give it up already....

Yeah, who wants competition? I want expensive, never evolving and limited software/hardware.

Blom said,

Yeah, who wants competition? I want expensive, never evolving and limited software/hardware.

Well no, competition is fine, but at this point, it just reeks of desperation

This is excellent news! Blackberry is moving ahead with great speed in its handphone development. The Z30 is a great phone. This new one sounds really powerful. BB 10 OS is fantastic and coupled with the Applications world they have, which is very large, BB should do well.

I think they should continue forward as a strictly Government, Military and private security communication hardware/software vendor. Screw consumer OS's. Build something secure and market it to those groups and I bet they'd have a bright future ahead of them.

AR556 said,
I think they should continue forward as a strictly Government, Military and private security communication hardware/software vendor. Screw consumer OS's. Build something secure and market it to those groups and I bet they'd have a bright future ahead of them.

Sounds nice, I was thinking they should transform into an avionics company and give up mobile communications all together, but your idea sounds very well IMHO.

Gladiatorus said,

Sounds nice, I was thinking they should transform into an avionics company and give up mobile communications all together, but your idea sounds very well IMHO.

Avionics? Do they have experience in the field?

Not AFAIK, but if BMW went from making aircraft engines to cars and if Suzuki went from making weaving looms to cars and motorcycles as well, given Blackberry's infrastructure and experience in communications and electronic devices, I think it could be possible.

Haaa-Choo said,
more cores = more phones sales. LOL

Hey it works for Samsung and those fanboys who dont understand technology that well.

Not really. How is it any different than the octa-core CPUs we already have in mobile devices but with a 64 bit instruction set added? The Exynos octas don't use a "HUGE" amount more battery than other quad or dual core phones, in fact, they can even be more efficient at times. Having 8 cores doesn't mean they are all monster cores and all running at the same time.

TruckWEB said,
The spec of their phones was never the problem... It's the OS and the lack of Apps.

What is the problem with the OS? Just wondering.

Isn't 99% of all Android available applications plus all BlackBerry 10 applications enough? There's no other platform with a larger set of runnable applications out there.

You have to convert the applications first, they are not available in appworld, also, stop pulling numbers out of nowhere. Android and iOS do not need to run the apps in appworld because they have better and more alternatives in their respective stores. That illusion that BB10 is superior because it can run android apps is useless simply because a good deal of blackberry apps in appworld are crap. If the software availability werent the problem they wouldnt be bleeding users. They have the hardware, but not the software.

Nope, you don't need to convert any applications anymore. There's even an application called Snap that you can install which gives you full access to Google Play Store. If that's your thing.

Crappy applications exists in all app stores. What makes for example Google Play Store better? It's just more ****ty applications. In my humble opinion, there are less than 20 useful applications out there, of which maybe half is decently designed and written.

Xenomorph said,
Let me guess - their 8-Core monster will still be out-performed by whatever random dual-core chip Apple releases.

yep, Apple are one of the few who understand that you only need good dual core. They'll only go quad when they can't get any more performance out of dual's

edit: having said that, they might have to go quad this year. The move to v8 helped them last time, unless they just increase the clock speed

Silver47 said,

yep, Apple are one of the few who understand that you only need good dual core. They'll only go quad when they can't get any more performance out of dual's

edit: having said that, they might have to go quad this year. The move to v8 helped them last time, unless they just increase the clock speed

Apple and microsoft do a good job at this

...the cores in the iPhone are identical to the ones in the Android phones .. therefore quad-cores gunna trump the dual-cores. What performance measurements do you have that show the dual-cores outperforming the quad-cores? Not perceived performance, but performance backed by numbers. There is differences in software that make there be a difference, but hardware wise.. the quad is gunna pounce. The soft differences include Android running everything in Java sandbox, versus native code on the iPhone, and maybe on top of that.. some power management differences that limit the quad, IF there is differences in benchmarks.

I would say a windows phone handles things much better than the ios device does at dual core nothing is smoother or faster than wp8, the wp8.1 quad core devices will pretty much blow anything else out of the water, and 64bit on a phone who cares, gimmicks at this point in time.

nullie said,
...the cores in the iPhone are identical to the ones in the Android phones .. therefore quad-cores gunna trump the dual-cores. What performance measurements do you have that show the dual-cores outperforming the quad-cores? Not perceived performance, but performance backed by numbers. There is differences in software that make there be a difference, but hardware wise.. the quad is gunna pounce. The soft differences include Android running everything in Java sandbox, versus native code on the iPhone, and maybe on top of that.. some power management differences that limit the quad, IF there is differences in benchmarks.

IPhones haven't had the same cores as other phones since the iPhone 5, they use custom v7 cores like Qualcomm do with Krait. As for numbers see here

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5

Oh and when the iPhone 5 was keeping or beating Krait

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/10

And some numbers showing even quad Krait in the Nexus 5

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7517/google-nexus-5-review/4

Once we see v8 quads then apple will have to pull something out of the proverbial hat, and they are probably working on that right now.
The real thing you can see in those graphs though is the real elephants in the room of Intel's atom performance. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in the end

The problem is though, they are not really benchmarking the hardware there. They are benchmarking the software. And I believe it, I mean, I believe Apple software is faster, because Android ####ing sucks, and the Java VM (Dalvik) is super slow compared to native code. The Android OS itself just sucks, it's slow, hangs so much.. It's the software, it's bogus, unoptimized, or designed inefficiently.

To do a proper comparison you'd need Apple and Samsung device both running the same OS, same software, same browsers. Also, the parameters for power management should be identical, at which point, we might find the quad core is in fact 75% to 100% faster.

One thing about the Apple devices like I said, is the apps are Objective-C, compiled to run on the CPU natively. Dalvik are Java apps, bytecode, not compiled natively for the CPU, hindered by the performance of the Java VM and the interpreted nature of the code.

Android does have newer features to allow native code to run but I don't think hardly any apps use it. Like NONE do.. I'm sure if they ported their app from Dalvik to say ART (ART is a new runtime in Kitkat/Android 4.4) it would be faster, too. ART apps are 100% faster than Dalvik so far..

Details @ http://www.extremetech.com/com...erformance-and-battery-life

Ahhh I remember reading about ART and completely forgot about it, thanks for the link .

Unfortunately we'll never see such a proper comparison . Unless we get a Windows RT tablet running a dual and quad core ARM chip (that'll be the day!).

But yes, once we have quad ARM V8 chips, Apple will start to look slow. Its primarily a power usage/thermal concern atm, I think that's why Apple have chosen to stay dual core for as long as they could. They have used all their trump cards now, dual A9, A15 and now dual ARMv8. and like I said before they probably already know this and are working on it with their A8 chip.

No doubt we'll see in September

I was trying to post this before, but the site also shows Chrome is 20 times slower at JavaScriot than Firefox + asm.js, or native code! Native code is the fastest bar none. Unfortunately the iPhone benchmarks were compared to Chrome which happens to be super slow, and not representory of CPU performance. If only they did compare native code app to native code app, or at minimum, used Firefox+asm.js for their comparisons..

So they're going to Android route and building in pointless power... I bet the battery life will be amazing. /s

What they should do is bride developers to make apps, since that's the actual problem.

Astra.Xtreme said,
So they're going to Android route and building in pointless power... I bet the battery life will be amazing. /s

What they should do is bride developers to make apps, since that's the actual problem.

Why would BB marrying developers help matter any?

With new hardware taking up less power, I dont see this being much of a problem. Unless something is screwy with the OS.

Astra.Xtreme said,
So they're going to Android route and building in pointless power... I bet the battery life will be amazing.

Adding cores does little for power consumption. Most (all?) mobile CPU's can turn off the cores they aren't using.

AJerman said,
Pointless power? What kind of tech nerd are you?

Haha, well a PC hardly benefits from 4 cores, much less a mobile device. Now 8 cores? It's just becoming a stupid numbers game. It speaks great numbers when Windows phones and iPhones with dual cores outperform other phones with 4+ cores. The tech nerds are the ones that understand that it's more about the software and less about pointless hardware.

If having 4+ cores truly benefits the performance, it proves how absolutely atrocious their OS is.

Astra.Xtreme said,
So they're going to Android route and building in pointless power... I bet the battery life will be amazing. /s

What they should do is bride developers to make apps, since that's the actual problem.

Are you aware that the Samsung phones with Octacore, don't have worse battery-life vs the Quadcore models?

Astra.Xtreme said,

Haha, well a PC hardly benefits from 4 cores, much less a mobile device. Now 8 cores? It's just becoming a stupid numbers game. It speaks great numbers when Windows phones and iPhones with dual cores outperform other phones with 4+ cores. The tech nerds are the ones that understand that it's more about the software and less about pointless hardware.

If having 4+ cores truly benefits the performance, it proves how absolutely atrocious their OS is.

I dunno, I think a large number of cores in the future of CPUs, though it still needs more work on the hardware and software side. More cores SHOULD give the possibility of lower power consumption, perhaps the Exynos Octa isn't quite there, and we definitely need to work on multithreaded software more, but the possibility of scalability in terms of power and performance is definitely there. Unfortunately when everything is written for maximum compatibility from single to eight or more cores, you don't get as much of the advantage.

And comparing the Exynos Octa to a desktop CPU isn't really the same since half the cores are specifically low power cores and the use of multicore isn't necessarily for the same reasons. Android has been the cutting edge of mobile for a while now, and while performance may take a little hit in the name of compatibility (since Apple still makes the only iPhone and MS has guidelines on hardware for WP), I think they still have the right idea. If not, you wouldn't see everyone else moving from single, to dual, and now to quad core as well. There are a lot of similar concepts starting to take over in the desktop and server markets as well, and while 8 cores may be excessive in mobile devices right now, someone always has to do something first when it isn't necessary in preparation for when it is. Look at multicore on desktop, x64, etc. You always have to think to the future in an incredibly rapidly evolving technology.