A Mac-to-Vista Switcher in Pink

This weekend, my 13 year-old daughter and I set out to replace her first-generation MacBook. She instead picked a pink Sony VAIO running Windows Vista Home Premium. I bought her the MacBook on launch day, May 16, 2006, at one of Apple's two Bethesda, Md., retail stores. The computer came configured with a 2GHz Intel Core Duo processor, 512MB of RAM (which I upgraded to 1GB), 64MB dedicated integrated graphics memory, 60GB hard drive, DVD burner, 802.11b/g wireless and Bluetooth. She does lots of video editing, which was getting increasingly difficult because of the puny hard disk, system RAM and graphics memory.

My daughter also had some interest in Windows Vista, because of certain applications not available for Mac OS X. We went to Fashion Valley Mall in San Diego looking at a new MacBook or a pink VAIO VGN-CR290EAP. The VAIO would mean a switch from the Mac. The mall has Apple and Sony Style stores.

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What I got from the article? His daughter bought the pink laptop. From personal experience I can agree with this as 100% of the time when a teenage girl comes around looking at the cameras that I sell she always wants the piece of crap pink Polaroid camera over a good Nikon or Canon. I tell them that the Canon's and Nikon's will take much better pictures but noooo, "I want really like the pink one." They don't give a crap how the thing performs as long as it looks cool.

This guy's story proves nothing about educated decisions in computer purchasing, especially if he is able to find deals on upgrades. As a owner of both Mac and PC, these are the flaws I noticed:

1)Upgrade the mac to 2GB of RAM and a bigger hard disk. I got a 250GB SATA for about $140 2 weeks ago...Beats $1300 on a laptop.

2)Don't like leopard? Well since you bought a "launch day" macbook, roll back to Tiger with the disc you got with it.

3)144MB shared video max a problem? How much memory do you have left from an OS that needs 1GB to run at all, after your REQUIRED security software sucks down its share? The new video memory (which is still shared btw) just hit the minimum.

4)If this was a Windows XP machine that was purchased it would have been a little more justified, but exactly what video editing software doesn't run on the mac?

5)I have run into driver support problems with Leopard, but exactly what problems did he experience? None that were important enough to list it would seem.

Congratulations, you just dropped $1000 more than a Pink Speck case, 2GB of Ram and a 250GB HDD could have got you.

i guess the point he's trying to make is not everyone are obsessed with oses, and that it is not a important consideration to most people when they buy a computer.

can't say that for those whinning idiots who posted above, though. get a freaking life.

Neowin has really degraded so much. I'm gonna start to look for some alternative medium to get my tech fix on ... The only thing good about neowin now adays is the weekly podcast and the handful of helpful members who still post and reply to non volatile threads.

I took a girl out to buy a new computer and she went right over to the Mac's and said that was what she wanted. The price was $1899.

In the end she went home with a $699 PC which included a 22" monitor.

"She ended up with the pink VAIO because she liked the laptop's appearance more than the MacBook; ..... Operating system was not much of a consideration at all."

So the choice had nothing to do with Leopard vs Vista but rather white vs pink.

Litespeed said,
"She ended up with the pink VAIO because she liked the laptop's appearance more than the MacBook; ..... Operating system was not much of a consideration at all."

So the choice had nothing to do with Leopard vs Vista but rather white vs pink.


You basically summed up the entire article. I was hoping for a remark about ease of use and other features, but the author didn't even say what video editing software his daughter found so much more appealing that existed on Vista and not on the Mac.

In summary, the concerns were that the Macbook's internal HD was too small, and that none of her friends had a pink computer. Aside from seemingly not knowing that external hard drives exist, he also raved about Windows Live Mail over .Mac, which IMO doesn't have much to do with anything.

Of course, the realization that his 13 year old daughter apparently has heavy video editing demands, and is using a laptop as a primary video editing system really trumps all of this. I use my laptop for occasional video editing, but if I needed a system that could handle that as a primary activity, it'd be a ridiculous choice to go for a laptop.

Very disappointing article, although it's generated the most comments I've ever seen.

Nice job on getting a Sony... I hope he's prepared for the horrible customer support and overall poor quality of the machine.

Should have gone with HP.

You guys that are complaining must be idiots. The site is bad if it is Apple biased and it's bad when it's in favour of Microsoft.

Get over yourselves and get a life ffs. I remember when I used to post whatever the hell I wanted here without whinging ******* crying over the smallest things.

Neobond said,
You guys that are complaining must be idiots. The site is bad if it is Apple biased and it's bad when it's in favour of Microsoft.

Get over yourselves and get a life ffs. I remember when I used to post whatever the hell I wanted here without whinging ******* crying over the smallest things.


FINE... FINE !

:-P

Neobond said,
You guys that are complaining must be idiots. The site is bad if it is Apple biased and it's bad when it's in favour of Microsoft.

Get over yourselves and get a life ffs. I remember when I used to post whatever the hell I wanted here without whinging ******* crying over the smallest things.


I think you are missing the point. "Biased" is the right word there. Journalism shouldn't be biased, it should be objective, and relevant. I don't care whatever is in favor of whatever, but "news" or "journalism" like this M$ fan daddy's cute little pink laptop story made up as an OSX vs. Vista thing... you gotta be kidding me. I used to visit Neowin and read real news, stuff that matters, and not that BS fanboy gossip that countless other so called journalistic outlets and blogs post.

I think you are missing the point. "Biased" is the right word there. Journalism shouldn't be biased, it should be objective, and relevant. I don't care whatever is in favor of whatever, but "news" or "journalism" like this M$ fan daddy's cute little pink laptop story made up as an OSX vs. Vista thing... you gotta be kidding me. I used to visit Neowin and read real news, stuff that matters, and not that BS fanboy gossip that countless other so called journalistic outlets and blogs post.

+1 My friend blocked Neowin today, just because of all these stupid posts.

Neobond said,
You guys that are complaining must be idiots. The site is bad if it is Apple biased and it's bad when it's in favour of Microsoft.

Get over yourselves and get a life ffs. I remember when I used to post whatever the hell I wanted here without whinging ******* crying over the smallest things.


This is beautiful too: The admin, who tells the mods, to remove formatting like this and warn whoever posts in formats like this to give a warning. Great example Gotta love it...

Joe Wilcox constantly spews out windows fanboy garbage. His overwhelming ending argument is that a 13 year old girl who likes pink chose a pink laptop over her macbook. End argument. But not quite.

However, then he uses this 'oh so sweet' tale to divulge his bitterness towards Apple's Leopard OS. His previous articles also try to knock Leopard down a peg or two whilst he never shows or supports anything he spews on about. The man is himself pink around the ears and anyone who actually follows this sort of tripe really hasn't got anything better to do with their time either.

Using your 13 year old daughter's colour preference as an example of which OS to choose! Shame on him. Shame.

Why are people having such a hissy fit about this artical. I really don't get it. Sure its at the top now, but in 2 hours it will be down about 5 or 6 in the list, was I THE ONLY ONE who was actually entertained by this story? Everyone always says vista sucks and switch to apple, but now we have a news story about someone switching FROM apple TO Vista and you guys are still bitching.

Those of you, who would say this artical sucks so bad you are leaving Neowin for good, well all I have to say is , Bye Bye!

Dissappointing reading the whole site really. Its like linking to a Mac vs PC comparison on a site like macrumors.com as the guy is completely Microsoft slanted. I really don't care but some of his articles about Apple stuff are cringeworthy.

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/ope...ur_copiers.html

More specifically the comparison table....

Translucency? Apple has been doing it for a long time, way prior to Leopard. Admittedly they somewhat pointlessly made the menu bar translucent in Leopard but.. thats about it.

Photo Desktop - Not sure what this is on about? Not sure what directly competes with Dreamscene...

New start menu / new dock - What is so new about the dock other than stacks and a few functional improvements? Its just an evolution of the product, same as it is in Vista.

Flip3D being compared to Coverflow - they're completely different things. Coverflow is a pictorial representation of directories of files.. Flip3D is a freaking 3D alt+tab replacement.

And so forth.. I don't think I need to point them all out. Most of the technologies either don't compete, some have been in one prior to the other, and some have been in both before. I frankly don't see the point of the article.

good luck with the video editing on the PC. I can only imagine how much that'll run you ($$$) whereas iLife is free with a new machine.

Chicane-UK said,
Have you never heard of Adobe Premiere Elements? Its hugely powerful and really doesn't cost that much..

+1, thats what im using. although most of the stuff i could do on windows movie maker, i just like the some of the extras the program has.

i could also argue that i can have any software on my pc i wanted for free, including macosx....just wouldnt be legally :P

Neowin.net - Where Unprofessional Journalism Looks Better

It really is amazing that certain users complaining damn near on a daily basis, about why certain articles are on the front page. The title of the website really does have a purpose.

It is apparent that regardless of threats of not coming back, many of the same users come here on a daily basis & fill the comments pages with the same ole' replies. So don't come back, I'm getting sick of reading the same BS replies everyday. You do have the option of not using the SUBMIT MY COMMENT button.

Cool, the 13 year old chick bought a cool looking pink Sony Vaio. Looks better than a Mac.. Have fun flamers.

Lets see:

"Windows Vista goes gold"
"A Mac-to-Vista Switcher in Pink"

Do you see the quality between these 2 news titles/articles? I sure as hell do.
Stop trying to be a ass kisser; The mayority of staff and (of course) newsposters are going down in quality. This I do think is part fault of the new members which are getting worse and worse. But staff/admin/etc is getting horrible; I suggested a cleanup YEARS ago and, since it hasnt been done, I was correct in saying this was only going to get worse.

and1direct said,
Lets see:

"Windows Vista goes gold"
"A Mac-to-Vista Switcher in Pink"

Do you see the quality between these 2 news titles/articles? I sure as hell do.
Stop trying to be a ass kisser; The mayority of staff and (of course) newsposters are going down in quality. This I do think is part fault of the new members which are getting worse and worse. But staff/admin/etc is getting horrible; I suggested a cleanup YEARS ago and, since it hasnt been done, I was correct in saying this was only going to get worse.

Lets see:

"Every article should be compared to 'gold'."
"Every article cannot be compared to 'gold'."


If you think this website needs a 'clean-up', than maybe you should start your own news site. Just like a Mac, could it be because the website looks better than most news sites? Looks nowadays seems to attract higher user base regardless of what it is. The content does not seem to matter.

I enjoy coming here despite what articles are posted, mainly for looks & clean format of the site. Ass kissing? Not likely... Just a simple point of truth. ;)

We already have enough professional journalism from a lot of news media, including MSNBC.

ALL "journalism" is ad driving now, which means it is entertainment/ratings driven. CNN or Neowin, it's all about getting you to generate ad dollars...sigh.

D-M said,

Lets see:

"Every article should be compared to 'gold'."
"Every article cannot be compared to 'gold'."


If you think this website needs a 'clean-up', than maybe you should start your own news site. Just like a Mac, could it be because the website looks better than most news sites? Looks nowadays seems to attract higher user base regardless of what it is. The content does not seem to matter.

I enjoy coming here despite what articles are posted, mainly for looks & clean format of the site. Ass kissing? Not likely... Just a simple point of truth. ;)

We already have enough professional journalism from a lot of news media, including MSNBC. :rolleyes:

The problem with your logic is that Neowin was accually a good news site with GOOD information. But now it just posts crap like this.

And you use a product because it looks pretty and not its content? Are you like this for everything? Guess you like the tipical blonde, big tits, nice ass, but doesnt even know where Europe is. If so.....the world's IQ population just dropped.

Again quality > quantity > pretty. If you dont understand that, then I have nothign to talk to you about.

The one reason I'll probably never switch to Mac. I can get a better computer with far better specs running Windows for the same price as a Mac. I cannot justify overpaying for a computer with lower specs to get a specific OS. Also, I like games.

However, I will say this. Does OS really have anything to do with the buying decision of most people? I doubt it. A good amount of people buy iPods and MacBooks simply for the name brand. I've asked around my campus, a good majority of the people who have MacBooks don't even know what Leopard is and the only reason they bought their Mac is because they thought it looked neat. Same thing with Windows. Most normal consumers don't know nor care what the difference between XP and Vista is. We get 2 copies of Vista Ultimate for free here, along with 2 copies of XP pro for free, for being students and most people don't take advantage of the offer to upgrade because they don't even know what an OS is.

I'll probably going to get lynched for this, but does the iPod's success have just as much to do with branding as with the actual product. I'm gonna say yes. Think about it, the Zune is a great PMP with almost equal features (some more things as well) to the normal iPods (excluding the touch, that's in a league of its own) and I bet most people will overlook it to get the more well know product this holiday. Not saying that they iPod is bad or anything, but I think people often overlook the idea of product branding and think that because it sells the most, its the best.

I completely agree, but the thing is people really have different priorities which other people have a hard time to understand. Many people see laptops as personal equipment which they can write papers, surf the net and chat, so just like they don't look for features in their cell phones, they don't look for features in their pcs. Being shiny, pink or apple could be enough for them to get it regardless of its feature set. For instance in my faculty people are using 3d modeling applicaitons and when many of them were buying new laptops this year, they learned about the dedicated/shared memory thing. All they were asking the sellers was the amount of dedicated graphics memory of the device. They had no idea about anything else, if a cheap crappy celeron had 256mb dedicated memory, they would've gone for it. So, the point is many people don't have any idea about anything and they just make decisions over rumors, small bits of information and so on. Apple is just taking some advantage over this ignorance and I can't really blame them.

abulfares said,
wow, nice to see the Mac fans getting defensive.

I can imagine their faces turning red while reading the article lol

No, because the reasons are non-existent - literally, he gave no tangiable reasons; what applications were missing? what software? Almost as stupid as that stoned girl claiming that her PC ate her assignment.

kaiwai said,

No, because the reasons are non-existent - literally, he gave no tangiable reasons; what applications were missing? what software? Almost as stupid as that stoned girl claiming that her PC ate her assignment.

He does not have to give logical reasons. All he did is that he reflected a piece of reality out there. you think that decision (of his daughter) was because of her age? I worked at Best Buy and I know that ~80% of customers think exactly like she did.

Apparently, to the average Joe, that Sony Laptop offered them a bit more than the MacBook. What is that thing offered? exactly. It does not have to be tangible or reasonable but it made her switch.

abulfares said,

He does not have to give logical reasons. All he did is that he reflected a piece of reality out there. you think that decision (of his daughter) was because of her age? I worked at Best Buy and I know that ~80% of customers think exactly like she did.

Apparently, to the average Joe, that Sony Laptop offered them a bit more than the MacBook. What is that thing offered? exactly. It does not have to be tangible or reasonable but it made her switch.

It isn't her age, its called monopolies and marketing. Appearance and specs are factors of selling something, you may not know it but if your stuck between two things, and you decide on one with no real reason, the reason was because of a factor even if its just the paint used on the computer. Of course most people on here look at specs (I hope they do) and I'm 13 going on 14 and trust me, it isn't age. I planned with my mom for this christmas and my birthday (my birthday is right before christmas) that I want 4 GB of RAM Memory for my birthday and an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 for Christmas, today was my lucky day, the estimated ship date was correct, I just brought my 2 gifts in, they are shipped in one box though. I'm planning on installing these products myself, and I use Windows XP, Vista, Server08, and OSX Leopard. I only have one computer and its a Dell ( ). I hope all of the people who keep saying 13 year olds are so naive now know to remember most people that age are naive but some are smart. And by the way don't blame the poor girl, its her idiot father who blogged this and she didn't know she was on the frontpage news on Neowin.

Electric Bolt said,
It isn't her age, its called monopolies and marketing. Appearance and specs are factors of selling something, you may not know it but if your stuck between two things, and you decide on one with no real reason, the reason was because of a factor even if its just the paint used on the computer. Of course most people on here look at specs (I hope they do) and I'm 13 going on 14 and trust me, it isn't age. I planned with my mom for this christmas and my birthday (my birthday is right before christmas) that I want 4 GB of RAM Memory for my birthday and an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 for Christmas, today was my lucky day, the estimated ship date was correct, I just brought my 2 gifts in, they are shipped in one box though. I'm planning on installing these products myself, and I use Windows XP, Vista, Server08, and OSX Leopard. I only have one computer and its a Dell ( ). I hope all of the people who keep saying 13 year olds are so naive now know to remember most people that age are naive but some are smart. And by the way don't blame the poor girl, its her idiot father who blogged this and she didn't know she was on the frontpage news on Neowin.

Mom must work a lot of overtime.

The article might be fatuous in terms of the credibility of the author. However, he does make a point from a marketing perspective. Current hardware purchasing demographics are showing a higher preponderance of lower age (as in low teens) having more access to parents' disposable income and making the purchasing decision. Also, those purchasing decisions are made on what the purchaser wants to do at that age, and not on what is "cool". There is in fact a far greater rationality in low teens purchasing decisions than in the late teens, as that demographic is far more susceptible to peer pressure and the "cool" factor.

Can I please submit a long diatribe on how I switched to Mac OS X because of the pretty lights under the keys on the MacBook Pro that dim with the surroundings?!

That's sure to make it to the front page!

Wow, most pointless OS switcher "review" or whatever you wanna call that ever. So his daughter doesn't dive a damn about either OS and only chose Vista for the pink laptop. That's so very... cute. Sweet little story for his M$ **** buddies. My heart is so melting I'll trash my new MBP and get myself a cute pink Vista VAIO right away.

And Daniel Fleshburne, please **** off. All your wannabe "journalism" and news postings blow harder than a 2 dollar crack whore desperate for her next shot.


This is what passes for front-page news these days? Trollbait and useless articles like this? Wow.

A quote from the article:

My daughter chose neither. She ended up with the pink VAIO because she liked the laptop's appearance more than the MacBook; she recognized the better value for base hardware; and she didn't see any huge benefit to Leopard over Vista. Operating system was not much of a consideration at all.

And thats the gist of it folks. His daughter chose the laptop cause she likes pink. And then her dad twists her into a 'Mac-to-Vista' switcher, even after admitting the OS wasnt even a factor in her decision. The decision of a 13 year old, no less.

I don't blame the article, the guy felt the need to blog about his 13 yr old daughter while attempting to somehow pathetically turn her actions into an OS vs OS issue, but thats fine. What does bother me is how neowin can choose such a useless article as post-worthy content.

She does lots of video editing but also had some interest in Windows Vista, because of certain applications not available for Mac OS X.

What apps exactly? The 13 year old supposedly likes video editing, have they not used iMovie and the industry standard Final Cut??? Oh I get it, the daughter prefers Windows Movie Maker. please

What 13 year old would you buy Final Cut - a multi hundred dollar editing suite for? Oh I get it, right tool for the job. Personally I think iMovie is garbage. Have you even ever used Movie Maker on Vista Home Premium?

redavenger said,
What 13 year old would you buy Final Cut - a multi hundred dollar editing suite for? Oh I get it, right tool for the job. Personally I think iMovie is garbage. Have you even ever used Movie Maker on Vista Home Premium?

Yes I have and its ****. iMovie is years ahead of WMM. Always has been.

I agree with many posts in here... it´s getting harder and harder to justify visiting neowin.
The quality of the posts is in an all-time low and the news posted here are just worse each passing day. I'd hate to have to look for new forums to visit but that is the road this is heading.
Neowin stopped being the same for me the day i saw people begging for a science section yet the vista beta got its own sub-forum without anyone asking.

+1 He did another one of these stupid posts last week. I'm seriously thinking about not going to this site anymore, o well I guess it had an okay run over the years.

Yea the front page should be for the most important of news, or the best articals...

Not someones blog posts... your right Bosaka he posted one lastweek also...

If one thing is for sure... Vista vs Mac.. etc that we can all agree on is... this isn't news.

Bosaka said,
+1 He did another one of these stupid posts last week. I'm seriously thinking about not going to this site anymore, o well I guess it had an okay run over the years.

Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

warwagon said,

Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lulz no real need for bold :P


"She does lots of video editing, which was getting increasingly difficult because of the puny hard disk, system RAM and graphics memory"= hard disk upgradeable, RAM upgradeable, graphic's memory unlikely to be a limiting factor.


I think the friend who bought the Macbook off the author for $500 got the best out of this deal and that the biggest reason for the daughter's change in mind is that the Sony came in pink.


Way to go Daniel, didn't think you could lower the bar any further but you proved us wrong...

So the lesson of the day is, Mac needs to have more colors to entice children.

Quick, someone tell Steve Jobs. We all made fun of those fruity iMacs but apparently having a wide selection of colors is important.

As much whining everyone does about Vista, it might be of interesting to read Joe/Jane Average's review. Chill out, people. The average consumer doesn't breathe this stuff like you.

it's a second computer in less than two years, of course that's the definition of spoilt

not having a computer is not the same as wanting a new computer when you don't need one. Like people who get new mobile phones all the time.

smithy_dll said,
it's a second computer in less than two years, of course that's the definition of spoilt

not having a computer is not the same as wanting a new computer when you don't need one. Like people who get new mobile phones all the time.


maybe the dad wants a new computer, gets the macbook which is insufficient for the girls usage (multimedia editing, video to be exact) and gets a new one, but gives the macbook to her dad.
thats about the same my dad and me did a couple of times... i always "upgraded" to a better computer.

Glassed Silver:mbl

... Flamebait much? People switch back and forth, why is this incident so special? And yeah, I agree with Chrono Archangel.

wctaiwan

This has got to be the dumbest story I've read all day, who the hell cares what computer your daughter has and more importantly, why the hell is this on the front page?

Croquant said,
+3.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

lmao.

@OP: but if it was the other way around, do I expect the same comment from you?

But yeah. I'd like to pick this story off BPN, but not FPN.

-13

i liked the artical, for once we have someone going from Mac to windows and not the other way around. So it was nice to see the what they thought of the swtich.

+1

And people should note that LTD won't agree that this article is just as much of a waste of time as a "my roommate switched from PC to Mac" story. But clearly, they both are.

brandnewfantx said,
Adobe Products Encode, Premiere aren't Mac OS

Likewise, the Final Cut products, used by many professionals, aren't for Windows.

wctaiwan said,

Likewise, the Final Cut products, used by many professionals, aren't for Windows.

Likewise products used by many professionals aren't used by 13 year old amateurs... Sheesh! Duh!

redavenger said,

Likewise products used by many professionals aren't used by 13 year old amateurs... Sheesh! Duh!

Well, they would use iMovie, which is included with Mac's free of charge.

kaiwai said,

Well, they would use iMovie, which is included with Mac's free of charge.

So iMovie is a product used by many professionals? I highly doubt that. Windows Movie Maker is included "free of charge" with Vista Home Premium.

brandnewfantx said,
Adobe Products Encode, Premiere aren't Mac OS

This is false. As of now it seems that the only Windows-only Adobe application is Adobe Onlocation. See this page for system requirements for Adobe Master Collection CS3, which bundles all Adobe products. Scroll down to the Mac OS requirements for the remark that Onlocation is Windows-only, but nothing else. Adobe Premiere Pro is listed there, as is Encore (I presume when you said "Encode" you meant Encore).

AeronPrometheus said,
I wonder what software was allegedly not available on the Mac... That's an argument that's becoming harder and harder to maintain.

accounting & payroll.. most edu software for kids

(hardware)
TV Tuners
biometrics

oh and COST.

The integrated graphics card has a small amounr of dedicated RAM (usually between 64 and 256MB) and takes the rest from the system RAM (usually around 128-256MB)

AND a video editor too. Although when I was young I went through several laptops as sort of like hand me downs from my dad's job. I usually had some pretty decent hardware and used it well.

LOL
I thought I was the only one who thought this. Personally if I had kids I would never buy them one till 18. They would get a desktop, but no laptop.

necrosis said,
LOL
I thought I was the only one who thought this. Personally if I had kids I would never buy them one till 18. They would get a desktop, but no laptop.

imho, the days of the desktop are over, unless you are a gamer or for media centers

XerXis said,
imho, the days of the desktop are over, unless you are a gamer or for media centers

What about people who don't like such confined spaces, or actually want to upgrade the thing?

Chrono Archangel said,
Wow... 13 and already on her second laptop...

My sister (who is also 13) is also on her 2nd laptop, going from a 5 year old dell running XP (a hand-me-down from me) to a brand-spanking new gateway running Vista (bought by my Mom as her xmas present).

Sadly, she isn't into video editing.