Accused British Hacker Gary McKinnon Loses Appeal

A British man accused of hacking into U.S. military computers lost a major court battle today and could be extradited to the United States within weeks. Gary McKinnon is alleged to have illegally accessed computers belonging to the Pentagon, NASA and the U.S. Army and Navy in 2001 and 2002. McKinnon lost his appeal today to the European Court of Human Rights to block his extradition.

A British man accused by the United States of "the biggest military hack of all time" lost an appeal on Thursday and could be extradited to the United States within weeks. Gary McKinnon, 42, had asked the European Court of Human Rights to block his extradition, complaining that he could face inhumane prison conditions if convicted there. He took his case to the court after losing an appeal to the British House of Lords last month.

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I think the issue here isn't whether or not he broke the law - we all agree that he did. The problem is that he is to be extradited to a country which (no offence intended) has a fairly backwards legal system when it comes to sentencing. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but chances are if convicted in America he will see the rest of his life in prison.

For murder, yes, I can see that as an acceptable punishment. For curiosity? No. I'm not denying that he deserves punishment of some description, but an effective death sentence in an American prison is not it.

I don't understand why everybody is defending this McKinnon guy!! It serves him right!! He shouldn't have hacked into the computers in the first place! You wouldn't like it if he hacked into your computer & saw your personal details, credit card information, or porn collection (lol).

(if you can't recognize sarcasm, don't read on)
Remember, the people defending him for *insert lame reason* would like to think that hacking is perfectly legal and that he did nothing wrong. Hello?? He hacked into a military computer system. It is 100% irrelevant *how* or *why* he did it (honestly, does his hunting for UFO/alien/conspiracy theories really change things?), scripts or otherwise. That does not change the fact that he still hacked into their system with no permission/authorization. I have yet hear of anyone in the US military who said, "Oh yeah, we gave him permission to hack into our systems or to breach our security to test for vulnerabilities." I guess those defending him have evidence of such. *shrug*

I guess I should hop on to the bandwagon too. You folks in Britain, any suggestions on a British target to hack (you know, for curiosity purposes and all, *cough* UFO's, aliens, British royal coverups or scandals *cough*), brag about then try to fight extradition?

(cJr. said @ #1)
I don't understand why everybody is defending this McKinnon guy!! It serves him right!! He shouldn't have hacked into the computers in the first place! You wouldn't like it if he hacked into your computer & saw your personal details, credit card information, or porn collection (lol).

so you think all hackers should be tried as terrorists and locked up for 70years?

I think I just ROFLed! Oh poor baby doesn't want to be buns up kneeling for his 6'8" 380lb. toothless cellmate Beelzebubba in a U.S. Prison. Well maybe he should have hacked into the Canadian Military's systems. I hear they have couches in the cells and give you warm milk and cookies before they tuck you in. LOL, what a major loser. If you can't do the time, then...oh you know the rest. Hey Gary. C YA! Wouldn't want to be ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(ursamajoran said @ #10)
I think I just ROFLed! Oh poor baby doesn't want to be buns up kneeling for his 6'8" 380lb. toothless cellmate Beelzebubba in a U.S. Prison. Well maybe he should have hacked into the Canadian Military's systems. I hear they have couches in the cells and give you warm milk and cookies before they tuck you in. LOL, what a major loser. If you can't do the time, then...oh you know the rest. Hey Gary. C YA! Wouldn't want to be ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


oh how i reaaaaly hope something bad happens to you.

don't mess with Big Brother is the message I get.

poor guy, my son has Asperger's syndrome and I understand that he got a little carried away with his curiosity.

If he was an American living in the US and hacking into another government's computers to steal sensitive data, he would never be extradited to that country for sentence.

(Manuroc said @ #7)
If he was an American living in the US and hacking into another government's computers to steal sensitive data, he would never be extradited to that country for sentence.


but of course we are all serving the US of A

He's a complete and total idiot and deserves incarceration for that alone.

He knowingly and willing broke into a foreign government network. Not only a foreign government network, but the United States' goverment network. Not only was it a foreign government network, it was a foreign MILITARY network. Not only *that*, but he did it as a script kiddie. He wasn't even creative or intelligent about how he did it. He just used some scripts he found on the internet.

Whatever his reasons (which makes him ten times as stupid if you believe his bull**** aliens excuse), it was a stupid, idiotic and moronic thing to do. Praising such stupidity just makes -you- stupid.

Maybe Bubba'll **** some sense into him.

I like how types like you mention the little script kiddie thing. You seem to forget it was him that said it himself that he used a little script he found on the net and modified. People like you make it sound like he never admitted this when it's the main thing he brings up every time he talks about it because of how easy it was to get in with it.

I also like these people who say things like "aliens can't possibly exist". What are we then? If that were true, we wouldn't be here ourselves.

It works out since I like idiots like you who celebrate even bigger idiots. "Ooh, if I worship him that makes ME a hacker somehow! YAY! I R HAXORZ!" Dumbasses.

So if he had been "creative and intelligent" about it, you'd feel differently? :suspicious:

Clearly it was the wrong thing to do. However, a possible life sentence and Bubba's brand of justice for being an idiot? Seems a bit out of proportion to me.

First off, the guy hacked into what is supposedly THE most secure network in the world, bar none. You can call him a script kiddy if you want, but don't do it to his face or he'll go and find a script that he didn't write himself, modify it, and then replace you with it.

He got caught, but if what we hear is true, he's mentally ill and was undiagnosed at the time he did the hack. Get him the right doctor the right kind of mental health treatment, he might turn out to be ****ing brilliant! I mean, if he can hack the pentagon while mental ill, imagine what he could do if they could get him stable, sober, and sane.

You ****ing right-wing Law & Order types thing jail is the answer to everything. You don't stop to consider what you're throwing away by just locking someone up and not even trying to see how his skills could be useful.

(Airlink said @ #6.4)
You ****ing right-wing Law & Order types thing jail is the answer to everything. You don't stop to consider what you're throwing away by just locking someone up and not even trying to see how his skills could be useful.

So by your logic, we should take a serial murderer who was mega efficient at carving bodies up, give him a free ride and put him in a butcher shop of some kind where he can use those skills?

(ir0nw0lf said @ #6.5)

So by your logic, we should take a serial murderer who was mega efficient at carving bodies up, give him a free ride and put him in a butcher shop of some kind where he can use those skills? :wacko:

Where did I say anything about serial murderers? I think you're the one who needs to study logic a little more, buddy.

What he did was grey-hat hacking, and what his did should not be classified as computer crime. He didn't actually do any of the "dammage" the US is claiming. All he did was show-up the holes in their security but poking his virtual head inside their supposedly "secure" network and taking a look; Holes they has to pay to patch, and their claiming that expense as damages. Well, guess what? This isn't a civil suit, and you can't bring criminal charges against someone for voluntary costs you incurred after the fact. If he didn't actually damage anything, then the law he's being charged under is unconstitutional and should be struck down.

Not only that, how does US law apply to someone not on US soil who's not a US citizen? It doesn't, that's how. The British government is submissive to the US on this issue. I mean, the brits could have charged him with a crime themselves, punished him, refused to extradite him, and that would have been the end of it. Sadly though, the White House has the British government for lap-dogs these days. Makes me sick.

In principal, I don't agree with his extradition, because he shouldn't have gotten in if the systems he was hacking into had at least even half-decent security. Sensitive information shouldn't be on the Internet, period.

However, both British and U.S. law do consider deliberately breaching security to be an offence, and he doesn't really have an appeal. It's like appealing a house robbery because "The windows didn't have bars on them".

(Majesticmerc said @ #3)
In principal, I don't agree with his extradition, because he shouldn't have gotten in if the systems he was hacking into had at least even half-decent security.

By the same token, if a small corner shop doesn't have a security guard and cameras, you should be allowed to steal from them?

(Webworldx said @ #3.1)
By the same token, if a small corner shop doesn't have a security guard and cameras, you should be allowed to steal from them?

Read the second paragraph of my comment too.

this is sick maybe if the government wasnt lying to every one all the time he wouldnt of done it he shouldnt be sent to the us as they are sick when it comes to prisons! i say let him go! he is a legend!!! via la mckinnon