Acer really doesn't like the Surface, continues to talk trash

When Microsoft pulled back the curtain on the Surface, many were left wondering how OEMs would react. While we have seen a bucket of mixed reactions, Acer continues to be pissed off at Microsoft over the Surface as they feel the company has the ability to take the entire market.

In an interview with Silconbeat, Acer CEO JT Wang has come out swinging at Microsoft and bashing them for their decision to compete with OEMs directly with their own hardware. Wang stated:

They are doing something to kill the whole ecosystem

Microsoft currently has about $63 billion in cash under its mattress and has the ability to launch a massive campaign to guarantee that the Surface becomes a household name. This, obviously, has Acer a bit on edge as they now have to compete with Apple's iPad and Microsoft's own tablet, both of which have instant name recognition credibility.

Only time will tell if the Surface is a hit with consumers and can take away sales from Acer and other vendors. Seeing as the field will be filled with products from other vendors besides Microsoft, consumers ultimately win as they get more options on retail shelves which is always a good thing.

Source: SilconBeat | Image Credit: June Blender Twitter

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Emil Valsson said,
I dont think Acer needs to worry. Microsoft has never made good hardware.
Really?

Acer does need to worry because not only Microsoft is making tablets that run Windows 8 and until start doing the same they'll be left. The Surface is great hardware.

Emil Valsson said,
I dont think Acer needs to worry. Microsoft has never made good hardware.

ill see your biased, baseless, opinionated post and raise you: youre an idiot

Ok Acer, so help Canonical and you and the big OEMS can Crush Microsoft by flooding the market with inexpensive, custom Linux boxes. Simple as that, break the Microsoft habit.

Acer is just a pieces of bozo because their product suck all time and don't have any compelling product. just go look at their website. none of the product is worth your $$

Every time a comment comes out of Acer, all I hear is "Yeah we still haven't made anything even have as good as the Surface and we don't want to, either."

For over a decade, the single worst thing about the Windows platform has been the hardware OEMs. Every attempt by Microsoft to clean house (Signature PCs, for example) has been met with apathy from vendors (though Vizio has been a pleasant surprise, and I'm a big fan).

This is where Microsoft draws the line between how Windows should be done, and how OEMs are used to doing it: buried under piles of impossible-to-remove crapware and evaporating support.

Joshie said,
Every time a comment comes out of Acer, all I hear is "Yeah we still haven't made anything even have as good as the Surface and we don't want to, either."

For over a decade, the single worst thing about the Windows platform has been the hardware OEMs. Every attempt by Microsoft to clean house (Signature PCs, for example) has been met with apathy from vendors (though Vizio has been a pleasant surprise, and I'm a big fan).

This is where Microsoft draws the line between how Windows should be done, and how OEMs are used to doing it: buried under piles of impossible-to-remove crapware and evaporating support.

Right on.

Acer needs to hire someone who actually understands the ecosystem: It is after all mainly "consumer"-driven. The terms consumers and ecosystems...Come on...Lighten up!

Microsoft isn't trying to change the ecosystem. Microsoft is merely trying to adapt to the new ecosystem. Or I believe in their own mind, this is the result of their sense of urgency to survive in the ecosystem.

Here is why:

Apple has been a sleeper and never changed their focus; They have always focused on making quality hardware and polishing their software. Sadly, neither have the PC manufacturers changed their approach; The PC makers are stuck in the previous era where they were trying to reduce the cost by lowering the hardware quality in order to gain massive market share when technology costed a lot more.

Now the time has come where technological advancements have brought the cost down. The result is that quality hardware (Apple) has become more desirable and affordable. The lack of highend devices (reminder again, now more affordable) running Microsoft products/services has been hurting them in quite some years and the market share is simply being eaten away. The process has only recently been slowed down by the likes of Ultrabook concept (Kudos to Intel) and on the Windows Phone end, HTC, until Microsoft desperately found Nokia!

...As much as I'm getting lazy typing out the rest of the story, time is running out for Microsoft. You get the idea.

You make a very good point. Things have changed drastically. When I first bought my PC, it ended up costing over $2000, and I felt I got a reasonable deal there. Now, I wouldn't dream of spending that much. I can spend $500 on a laptop that works fine, I can spend less on a tablet or a smartphone (outright, I don't buy on contract). I've got a laptop, a netbook, a tablet, 3 smartphones and a PDA. Even if one breaks I'm fine. I can afford to be picky and wait around for something that does exactly what I want, instead of having to compromise due to price limitations.

It's a great thing for consumers.

coolvi said,

Right on.

Acer needs to hire someone who actually understands the ecosystem: It is after all mainly "consumer"-driven. The terms consumers and ecosystems...Come on...Lighten up!

Microsoft isn't trying to change the ecosystem. Microsoft is merely trying to adapt to the new ecosystem. Or I believe in their own mind, this is the result of their sense of urgency to survive in the ecosystem.

Here is why:

Apple has been a sleeper and never changed their focus; They have always focused on making quality hardware and polishing their software. Sadly, neither have the PC manufacturers changed their approach; The PC makers are stuck in the previous era where they were trying to reduce the cost by lowering the hardware quality in order to gain massive market share when technology costed a lot more.

Now the time has come where technological advancements have brought the cost down. The result is that quality hardware (Apple) has become more desirable and affordable. The lack of highend devices (reminder again, now more affordable) running Microsoft products/services has been hurting them in quite some years and the market share is simply being eaten away. The process has only recently been slowed down by the likes of Ultrabook concept (Kudos to Intel) and on the Windows Phone end, HTC, until Microsoft desperately found Nokia!

...As much as I'm getting lazy typing out the rest of the story, time is running out for Microsoft. You get the idea.

So this is based on their cash that they COULD use to make Surface a household name?

Or... How about this theory: They use their cash to make sure Windows 8 is a household name and product people will want to have a new touch tablet PC?

If the Acer CEO thinks that Microsoft is more interested in the Surface branding than Windows 8 and the success of Windows 8, he is insane or stupid.

The most 'probable' adoption of Surface will be used to describe a tablet PC running Windows 8. Which we will hear people more likely to say things like, "Windows 8 is great, I am going to get one of those Surface tablets from Acer."

Mohitster said,
Well, he is not all wrong. Microsoft is in fact going to compete with OEMs and they have every reason to be worried.

In the short term, just like Windows Sound System and other technologies to fill a void and establish a baseline for a product.

However, if OEMs do like Acer is doing, Surface will not have a reason to exist, and if it does will be a relegated to a premium product.

Microsoft has put out a lot of hardware and even software technology to get the industry to move forward with upcoming technologies. LIke I mentioned, the WSS back in the early 90s when creative labs was still only selling 8bit sound cards and the concept of an OS sound driver model was something turtle beach, yamaha, and creative didn't want to participate. Once they all stepped up, WSS was killed off.

You can follow this with force feedback controllers/joysticks, and even the Microsoft HD WebCams, because Messenger was capable of doing 720 and 1080 video messaging yet there wasn't anything affordable in the webcam market to offer this, and notebooks were still shipping with VGA resolution webcams.

There are only a few products that Microsoft hasn't let go, starting with the Mouse, and that is more about timing as the product line was due to die out, Microsoft would urge a new technology, like getting more input over the PS/2 port or new optical tracking or 5 button navigation that needed Microsoft to shove the market forward.

The other products are the XBox and the Zune. Microsoft WANTED creative and other companies to make their own Zune devices, Apple was suing the hell out of most of them at the time and they were done. Originally Zune was just PlaysforSure V2, and several existing devices could have even been upgraded to support the basic features. Microsoft wanted WiFi Syncing and other sharing technologies, as the PlaysforSure V2 was all about a time based subscription model made for everyone sharing music. (Like WP7 users do today.)

The XBox was something Microsoft originally didn't want to be left producing, but nobody would take a chance to build a PC Console based on Windows technologies and frameworks, especially after the Sega nightmare. This is the tipping point when Microsoft took on the role of designing and producing the hardware around more robust technologies.

For anyone to equate the Surface with Zune or the XBox they are missing the point of the product and are also missing that a lot of companies like Acer have really good Windows 8 tablet designs in the works. So it will be a premium product at best and only if Microsoft sees new technology that needs to be pushed forward, as they have with the Mouse will the product have any longevity past the initial product release.

(Note their keyboard design and their use of a new composites and other technologies that are important and need attention in the Surface PCs. Before the ZuneHD and people sawing them on YouTube, people never heard of Gorilla Glass, nor did companies want to product media players/phones with the technology. Same idea of pushing the envelope.)

thenetavenger said,

In the short term, just like Windows Sound System and other technologies to fill a void and establish a baseline for a product.

However, if OEMs do like Acer is doing, Surface will not have a reason to exist, and if it does will be a relegated to a premium product.

Microsoft has put out a lot of hardware and even software technology to get the industry to move forward with upcoming technologies. LIke I mentioned, the WSS back in the early 90s when creative labs was still only selling 8bit sound cards and the concept of an OS sound driver model was something turtle beach, yamaha, and creative didn't want to participate. Once they all stepped up, WSS was killed off.

You can follow this with force feedback controllers/joysticks, and even the Microsoft HD WebCams, because Messenger was capable of doing 720 and 1080 video messaging yet there wasn't anything affordable in the webcam market to offer this, and notebooks were still shipping with VGA resolution webcams.

There are only a few products that Microsoft hasn't let go, starting with the Mouse, and that is more about timing as the product line was due to die out, Microsoft would urge a new technology, like getting more input over the PS/2 port or new optical tracking or 5 button navigation that needed Microsoft to shove the market forward.

The other products are the XBox and the Zune. Microsoft WANTED creative and other companies to make their own Zune devices, Apple was suing the hell out of most of them at the time and they were done. Originally Zune was just PlaysforSure V2, and several existing devices could have even been upgraded to support the basic features. Microsoft wanted WiFi Syncing and other sharing technologies, as the PlaysforSure V2 was all about a time based subscription model made for everyone sharing music. (Like WP7 users do today.)

The XBox was something Microsoft originally didn't want to be left producing, but nobody would take a chance to build a PC Console based on Windows technologies and frameworks, especially after the Sega nightmare. This is the tipping point when Microsoft took on the role of designing and producing the hardware around more robust technologies.

For anyone to equate the Surface with Zune or the XBox they are missing the point of the product and are also missing that a lot of companies like Acer have really good Windows 8 tablet designs in the works. So it will be a premium product at best and only if Microsoft sees new technology that needs to be pushed forward, as they have with the Mouse will the product have any longevity past the initial product release.

(Note their keyboard design and their use of a new composites and other technologies that are important and need attention in the Surface PCs. Before the ZuneHD and people sawing them on YouTube, people never heard of Gorilla Glass, nor did companies want to product media players/phones with the technology. Same idea of pushing the envelope.)

As much as I appreciate your knowledge about Microsoft's earlier forays into hardware, it's really hard to understand in the age of Apple's iPad, Google's Nexus, Amazon's Kindle Fire, that Microsoft is doing ALL THIS for short term.... what if Surface become an international phenomenon(which in all likelihood it can, if done correctly), will Microsoft just pull itself back and its production back and say that it was only an interim product or something? I don't think so. They have been dying to be a part of mainstream Hardware business since the the times of Zune, which much to their dismay failed, I don't think they will let go off Surface if it succeeds. They want their OEMs to succeed. NO doubt about it. But they themselves won't back out at any moment. No way. It will definitely not be like old times....

thenetavenger said,
<snip>

Exactly this.
This IS the Microsoft strategy. Build the foundation and let the Partner community extend and innovate on the platform.

Since the Partner ecosystem in the hardware space continually disappoint, then Microsoft come in and show the world what was meant to be done in the first place.

deadonthefloor said,

Exactly this.
This IS the Microsoft strategy. Build the foundation and let the Partner community extend and innovate on the platform.

Since the Partner ecosystem in the hardware space continually disappoint, then Microsoft come in and show the world what was meant to be done in the first place.

This was true years ago; MS is changing and, honestly, they always made great hardware; the only problems are that after a while they abandoned the project (Windows cordless phones, routers) and or pathetic marketing strategy (Zune hardware).

The hypocrisy of some people here is staggering, Microsoft make the vast bulk of their profits from those "crappy OEM pc's"

Their largest money maker is Office, not Windows

Notice how Acer is the only OEM to constantly bash Surface? Why is that? Oh it's because they make ****ty computers that break within a month and know that they cannot compete with Microsoft.

Quit giving that asshat media coverage.
Also, considering the amount of whining that guy is doing means that Surface is going to kick ass.

Microsoft currently has about $63 billion in cash under its mattress and has the ability to launch a massive campaign to guarantee that the Surface becomes a household name.
Not true, while money does help, it doesn't guarantee anything

Rudy said,
Not true, while money does help, it doesn't guarantee anything

Cash does guarantee that your product becomes a household name, if you spend enough. It just doesn't guarantee successful sales.

rfirth said,

Cash does guarantee that your product becomes a household name, if you spend enough. It just doesn't guarantee successful sales.

Huge companies with LOTS of money release products that fail no matter how much money they put behind it. Looks at WP7 so far (can't wait to see if WP8 will be different)

OK, So Acer, who has made a living off windows for years, claims its ok for them to take the cash that they have made off windows and invest it into making android devices. That's OK ??
Really! I think this is exactly what Microsoft is seeing .. Its like School system getting a grant from Intel & MS and turning around and spending that money on Ipads ??? Yes I have seen this ... I hope and believe that the ones not investing in the enemy with get the support from MS. I don't think HP has invested in android but acer, asus and so on..
Look at Asus
they are building a 199 dollar android tablet, how much money do you think they can made from that sale.. all the money invested was from windows sale profits .. If I was MS I would be upset too.

On the contrary, I own a Acer laptop and its not crappy. At the same time, I think they are blowing this thing out of proportion. Microsoft is just as entitled to build hardware just as Apple or any other company does. The only problem I have with Microsoft is, what took them so long. We need serious competition and a need to light a fire under the other OEMs. The Surface is it and I see other OEMs coming out with some interesting devices in 2013.

Mr. Dee said,
On the contrary, I own a Acer laptop and its not crappy. At the same time, I think they are blowing this thing out of proportion. Microsoft is just as entitled to build hardware just as Apple or any other company does. The only problem I have with Microsoft is, what took them so long. We need serious competition and a need to light a fire under the other OEMs. The Surface is it and I see other OEMs coming out with some interesting devices in 2013.

I just bought two Acer laptops, one for me and for my the fiance, knowing full well that Acer is at the bottom on quality. And trust me, both my experience with customers, past experiance with Acers and real world numbers. Acer is a cheap(why I bought them) PC maker with well below average quality. my new laptop for example will need to be sent in for service, though I'll report it after my hospital visit, since when I rest my hand on the hand rest on the right side, it breaks the right USB ports and gives unrecognized devices there.

and pure number on the amount of computers returned per 1000 units, in the first 3 years after sale. Acer is pretty much the one with by far the highest numbers of returns of the major PC makers.

Saying that, I like my laptop, and it's got a great keyboard. but I bought it because it's cheap and I need to expect a higher chance of problems and in general a lower quality screen, and lower quality batteries than the 1500 cycles ones that Samsung and Asus use.

I've had two Acers, both disappointed as far as quality goes. It's definitely possible to buy better.

Mr. Dee said,
On the contrary, I own a Acer laptop and its not crappy. At the same time, I think they are blowing this thing out of proportion. Microsoft is just as entitled to build hardware just as Apple or any other company does. The only problem I have with Microsoft is, what took them so long. We need serious competition and a need to light a fire under the other OEMs. The Surface is it and I see other OEMs coming out with some interesting devices in 2013.

I suggest boycotting Acer until their immature CEO stops his tantrum and stops his whinging whining dummy spitting over the baseline Surface hardware. The point of the Surface is to keep the OEMs in check, not to have them being crybabies. Every time we hear more of his dribbly nonsensical ranting about how far superior the Surface is to what Acer can produce, the more we should all know that he is not fit for CEO.

His board should be telling him to shut up, and assigning him basic KPIs for keeping the company relevant. He obviously has zero intention to compete quality wise, and as price is often on par with quality this implies he plans to offer sub-par quality at Surface prices. It's up to the board to get him in line, or find a competent replacement.

Acer is THE largest pc producer, except servers, after HP, but who's gonna put the next CONSUMER version of Windows on a server. If you take out HP's server market Acer is the largest. So their word has some weight because most people aren't going to buy HPs or Windows branded computers, they're gonna go a bit cheaper.

It was greed, either Acer wanted some kind of deal to put touchscreens on their devices or some kickbacks for not putting crapware on their PCs and Microsoft wouldn't give or something similar.

Edited by LauRoman, Oct 13 2012, 5:22pm :

LauRoman said,
Acer is THE largest pc producer, except servers, after HP, but who's gonna put the next CONSUMER version of Windows on a server. If you take out HP's server market Acer is the largest. So their word has some weight because most people aren't going to buy HPs or Windows branded computers, they're gonna go a bit cheaper.

It was greed, either Acer wanted some kind of deal to put touchscreens on their devices or some kickbacks for not putting crapware on their PCs and Microsoft wouldn't give or something similar.

It was reported yesterday that Lenovo is the largest PC manufacturer followed by HP.

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker said,

It has nothing to do with a mouse, but rather the sound it makes when attaching the touch cover.

That was my point, which you missed.

thealexweb said,
I don't get the "Click in" slogan, Click in should be used to advertise Windows 8 PCs that come with a mouse.

The click in is not a mouse, silly. The click in is the "click" sound when you attach the touch cover to the tablet. "click" in the keyboard. "click" click" click". Surface...Microsoft.

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker said,

The click in is not a mouse, silly. The click in is the "click" sound when you attach the touch cover to the tablet. "click" in the keyboard. "click" click" click". Surface...Microsoft.

Not sure how obvious that will be to the average tectard

deadonthefloor said,

A quick trip to the local Best Buy to hear the click will clear that up.

Your putting a lot of faith in the Best Buy employees.

aviator189 said,

the average person isn't a retard.

Depends what your definition is. Miine is the sort of person that gives you a laptop that's probably got malware, super slow, multiple toolbars in IE.

This is the sort of person that uses their phone for virtually everything and gets annoyed when they have to start up their slow laptop for that bit of Word or Excel they need. The overwhelming majority of PC users I see are like this.

thealexweb said,
Depends what your definition is.

Cretin is the oldest and comes from a dialectal French word for Christian. The implication was that people with significant intellectual or developmental disabilities were "still human" (or "still Christian") and deserved to be treated with basic human dignity. Individuals with the condition were considered to be incapable of sinning, thus "christ-like" in their disposition. This term is not used in scientific endeavors since the middle of the 20th century and is generally considered a term of abuse. Although cretin is no longer in use, the term cretinism is still used to refer to the mental and physical retardation resulting from untreated congenital hypothyroidism.

Amentia has a long history, mostly associated with dementia. The difference between amentia and dementia was originally defined by time of onset. Amentia was the term used to describe an individual who developed deficits in mental functioning early in life, while dementia described individuals who develop mental deficiencies as adults. During the 1890s, amentia was used to describe someone who was born with mental deficiencies. By 1912, ament was a classification lumping "idiots, imbeciles, and feeble minded" individuals in a category separate from a dement classification, in which the onset is later in life.

Idiot indicated the greatest degree of intellectual disability, where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard himself or herself against common physical dangers. The term was gradually replaced by the term profound mental retardation.

Imbecile indicated an intellectual disability less extreme than idiocy and not necessarily inherited. It is now usually subdivided into two categories, known as severe mental retardation and moderate mental retardation.

Moron was defined by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded in 1910, following work by Henry H. Goddard, as the term for an adult with a mental age between eight and twelve; mild mental retardation is now the term for this condition. Alternative definitions of these terms based on IQ were also used. This group was known in UK law from 1911 to 1959/60 as feeble-minded.

Mongolism was a medical term used to identify someone with Down syndrome. The Mongolian People's Republic requested that the medical community cease use of the term as a description of mental retardation. Their request was granted in the 1960s, when the World Health Organization agreed that the term should cease being used within the medical community.
In the field of special education, educable (or "educable mentally retarded") refers to MR students with IQs of approximately 50-75 who can progress academically to a late elementary level. Trainable (or "trainable mentally retarded") refers to students whose IQs fall below 50 but who are still capable of learning personal hygiene and other living skills in a sheltered setting, such as a group home. In many areas, these terms have been replaced by use of "moderate" and "severe" mental retardation. While the names change, the meaning stays roughly the same in practice.

Retarded comes from the Latin retardare, "to make slow, delay, keep back, or hinder," so mental retardation means the same as mentally delayed. The term was recorded in 1426 as a "fact or action of making slower in movement or time." The first record of retarded in relation to being mentally slow was in 1895. The term retarded was used to replace terms like idiot, moron, and imbecile because retarded was not (then) a derogatory term. By the 1960s, however, the term had taken on a partially derogatory meaning as well. The noun retard is particularly seen as pejorative; as of 2010, the Special Olympics, Best Buddies and over 100 other organizations are striving to eliminate the use of the "r-word" (analogous to the "n-word") in everyday conversation.

These are official terms, not used so much professionally due to political correctness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...#History_of_the_terminology

Also used in these IQ ranges:

IQ Range Classification
70-80 Borderline deficiency
50-69 Moron
20-49 Imbecile
below 20 Idiot
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx

daniel_rh said,
It looks they're increasing the buzz around Surface

Every time Acer trash talks Surface, a new wave of articles come out about it and a new wave of comments trashing Acer are written. You'd think they would have spotted the pattern by now.

OEMs get what they deserve. Pretty much (a good 90%) of OEM systems are bland and boring. The rest are just copied from Apple. How about a bit of innovation Mr (I build cheap rubbish) Wang.

Microsoft is not klling the ecosystem, it is trying to relive it. Instead of trashing the Surface, learn from it and compete with it! Make something better!

He should stop being such a Wang.
Make a better piece of hardware and Surface will fall flat. Oh, but it's Acer, manufacturer of plastic waffle pans. Never mind then.

Acer need to STFU already and continue making their crappy products. Which is the whole reason MS are making Surface anyway - incompetence from OEM's.

NoClipMode said,
Acer need to STFU already and continue making their crappy products. Which is the whole reason MS are making Surface anyway - incompetence from OEM's.

My sentiments exactly. The products Acer create are far from top quality so they really, REALLY need to STFU and GTFO.

NoClipMode said,
Acer need to STFU already and continue making their crappy products. Which is the whole reason MS are making Surface anyway - incompetence from OEM's.

The Acer Aspire S7 touchscreen ultrabook is one of the nicest looking computers I have ever seen in my life.

I do think he has a point that MS should do more to promote their partners. Microsoft is somewhat hypocritical in that their executives spoke about how the Google Motorola purchase would sour Google's relationship with their hardware OEMs.

I see a lot of people very focused on Surface when it is nowhere close to be being the best Windows tablet hybrid.

NoClipMode said,
Acer need to STFU already and continue making their crappy products. Which is the whole reason MS are making Surface anyway - incompetence from OEM's.

I guess they are ****ed because they can't make crappy products anymore. Good for Microsoft for setting the standard. It's about time Microsoft stood up to their OEMs.

neo158 said,

My sentiments exactly. The products Acer create are far from top quality so they really, REALLY need to STFU and GTFO.

I hope Microsoft doesn't "kill the whole ecosystem."

But I wouldn't mind if Microsoft killed Acer ...

NoClipMode said,
Acer need to STFU already and continue making their crappy products. Which is the whole reason MS are making Surface anyway - incompetence from OEM's.

yeah had to tear dad away from the notion that his newer Gateway with all the Acer drivers on it wasn't a Gateway. Acer did the same thing to Acros in the early 90's. I'd say Surface will do better than windows 8. Even coming from acer though, I can't take their word for it on how bad Windows 8 is. Windows 8 isn't bad for Tablets or laptops with touch screens. (or desktops that are built into the screen) It is bad for those who are used to typing with real keys. and that'll go away the moment they prove typing on a flat surface is safe for ones fingers. As there are no bumps on a tablet for my FJ keys and 5 on the number pad. I'm as blind as a bat.

Nice looking is one thing, working well is another. Apple manages to get away with a good looking laptop that is crappy in a lot of ways, because they sell to a demographic that cares more about looks than functionality, and because they have a lock-in with OSX.

Avatar Roku said,

The Acer Aspire S7 touchscreen ultrabook is one of the nicest looking computers I have ever seen in my life.

I do think he has a point that MS should do more to promote their partners. Microsoft is somewhat hypocritical in that their executives spoke about how the Google Motorola purchase would sour Google's relationship with their hardware OEMs.

I see a lot of people very focused on Surface when it is nowhere close to be being the best Windows tablet hybrid.

migo said,
Nice looking is one thing, working well is another. Apple manages to get away with a good looking laptop that is crappy in a lot of ways, because they sell to a demographic that cares more about looks than functionality, and because they have a lock-in with OSX.

orly