Acer: Windows 8.1 will see Microsoft come 'down to earth'

Acer executives have been some of the most vocal when it comes to discussing Windows 8, often slamming the operating system from various angles; the company has stated that Windows RT has "no value," that Windows 8 is "not successful," and that the Surface is "confusing" to customers. Despite all of this, the company has high hopes for Windows 8.1, which it believes will address a number of issues with Windows 8.

Acer President Jim Wong told the Wall Street Journal that his company told Microsoft that Windows 8 needs a balance between touch and non-touch features. "The world in the next five years is not going 100 percent to touch," he said. "Although touch makes a lot of possibilities for PCs, you need to take care of the rest of the world that doesn't need touch."

Executives at Acer have said that Microsoft is starting to listen, saying the Windows creator is becoming more "considerate" to suggestions and that they're adopting them "at a high percentage." Acer Chairman J.T. Wang also chimed in, saying that now Microsoft "go down to earth and they start to learn how people living on earth think" after "[living] in heaven."

Microsoft's Tami Reller has stated that Windows 8.1 (codenamed "Blue") will take the opportunity to respond to the feedback consumers have given in regards to Windows 8, while she also hinted the learning curve will be addressed. More information about what we should expect in Windows 8.1 will be released in the coming weeks, with a full reveal expected at BUILD 2013 along with a customer preview.

Source: Wall Street Journal

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I don't understand why people think Win8 RT is pointless. I've used my friend's RT, and I think it's great for surfing and using the basic store apps. How is buying an RT any different than buying an iPad or an Android tab? You can't run any of your old banged up software on those either, and atleast RT comes with a version of office.

It is decent and I think it's great for surfing, but at $499, Microsoft is basically lubing up and waiting for you to grab your ankles.

"Although touch makes a lot of possibilities for PCs, you need to take care of the rest of the world that doesn't need touch."

It's what we've been saying(the so called haters) all along on these forums. It's the truth, and it does not make me an Apple "fanboy". It's freaking common sense!

you need to take care of the rest of the world that doesn't need touch.

Um, Microsoft already took care of these people. They released an OS that is so perfect in the mind of these people, that all they want Microsoft to now do is re-release Windows 7. The problem is, that you and people like you are no longer driving computer sales. With simpler interfaces and more streamlined devices, the market is larger and consumers appreciate that devices like tablets and smart phones are more personal than the personal computer ever was.

Want things to stay in desktop land? Then you and people like you need to buy more desktops. But growth in that area has been declining since 2010, and with or without Windows 8 the desktop is going by the wayside. Everyone in the industry recognizes this: Apple, Google, Canonical, Gnome... they're all taking different directions with their UIs now. Microsoft is probably the last hold out, and until you start buying more PCs, they're not coming back.

Come on man, no need for the long a s s post. What I stated above, millions share the same opinion. It's a simple request, its fair, it makes sense and its perfectly doable. People like you who like touch on the desktop will be happy, people like me who think touch on the desktop is counter-productive, will be happy.

enjoy CAD / photoshop / any serious work on your surface.

come on think about it desktops are going to be around for another 10+ maybe 20 years .

you really need to look at the world and how the entire world uses pc's

i bet you got a surface pro dont ya ?

JHBrown said,
People like you who like touch on the desktop will be happy, people like me who think touch on the desktop is counter-productive, will be happy.

Did I say I like touch on my desktop? I just have a keyboard and mouse on my desktop. The only difference between you and I in this regard is I treat the OS as a platform for software and customize it to fit my needs. I installed vistart on it and didn't feel the need to go on a crusade against Microsoft for not catering to my personal whims. The more I used Windows 8 however, the less I found myself even using the start menu, and now I'm full time start screen on my desktop with keyboard and mouse. And yet somehow I'm as productive as ever. According to you and others like you my workflow (Photoshop, Indesign, Matlab, Visual Studio, LaTeX, Word, Excel, Solidworks) should have crawled to a halt. Funny how that didn't happen.


CaptainBeno said,
enjoy CAD / photoshop / any serious work on your surface.

Yes I own a Surface Pro, and yes, I do all of the above on it. Most recently I used it in the field to develop flight plans for a million dollar UAV. It served as a ground station to monitor telemetry as the UAV was in operation. Its light weight allowed me to stand and move while using it, so I could see the UAV in action; and the addition of a stylus allowed me to take notes in OneNote as it was running docked next to the Desktop. After the UAV landed (commanded from my Surface) I analysed the flight telemetry in Matlab. Serious enough work for you? All mobile using three different input devices: touch, stylus, keyboard. This is the future.

Photoshop is especially handy with the stylus. To you I say enjoy drawing freehand in Photoshop or Illustrator with a mouse.

So yes, thank you. I am enojying doing serious work on my Surface. I look at the world using PCs and I see a changing, increasingly mobile landscape compared to 80s, 90s, and 00s. Apple, Google, Canonical, and Microsoft see it too.

ModernMech said,
......

You know this logic and reason you bring to this site is really hurting this sites rep as a place for fanboys to trash one another.

ModernMech said,

Did I say I like touch on my desktop? I just have a keyboard and mouse on my desktop. The only difference between you and I in this regard is I treat the OS as a platform for software and customize it to fit my needs. I installed vistart on it and didn't feel the need to go on a crusade against Microsoft for not catering to my personal whims. The more I used Windows 8 however, the less I found myself even using the start menu, and now I'm full time start screen on my desktop with keyboard and mouse. And yet somehow I'm as productive as ever. According to you and others like you my workflow (Photoshop, Indesign, Matlab, Visual Studio, LaTeX, Word, Excel, Solidworks) should have crawled to a halt. Funny how that didn't happen.

Yes I own a Surface Pro, and yes, I do all of the above on it. Most recently I used it in the field to develop flight plans for a million dollar UAV. It served as a ground station to monitor telemetry as the UAV was in operation. Its light weight allowed me to stand and move while using it, so I could see the UAV in action; and the addition of a stylus allowed me to take notes in OneNote as it was running docked next to the Desktop. After the UAV landed (commanded from my Surface) I analysed the flight telemetry in Matlab. Serious enough work for you? All mobile using three different input devices: touch, stylus, keyboard. This is the future.

Photoshop is especially handy with the stylus. To you I say enjoy drawing freehand in Photoshop or Illustrator with a mouse.

So yes, thank you. I am enojying doing serious work on my Surface. I look at the world using PCs and I see a changing, increasingly mobile landscape compared to 80s, 90s, and 00s. Apple, Google, Canonical, and Microsoft see it too.

Have fun with your surface enough said. Way to defend the touch tablet users good for you . Enjoy the Fadd

CaptainBeno said,

Have fun with your surface enough said. Way to defend the touch tablet users good for you . Enjoy the Fadd

This is not a fad; this is a demonstrably better way of doing things. The setup before surface included a laptop which was at least 2 twice as heavy as the Surface and had to sit on a table and chair, which was stationary and could not move according to where the UAV was flying. Notes were taken by hand on paper and later scanned/translated into editable text, instead of being automatically saved and OCR'd by OneNote. Now instead of lugging around 30+ lbs of equipment in a pickup, everything can fit in one person's backpack. Doesn't sound like a "fad" to me.

Imagine that. Sinofsky left and now Microsoft's Windows team is more willing to hear suggestions...

Who could have seen THAT coming?? /sarcasm

It is not coming back they said yes, Sinovski got fired and his job is not coming back

I am happy that Windows 8.1 will go back and target Desktops and Tablets separately, that is nice to hear.

We need:
The start button and menu.
The nice glass interface and colors.
To put back the hidden things, like shutdown buttons, etc.

You do = Windows 8.1 very good, you don't = Windows 8.1 still a garbage

Anger the majority with something stupid thing in Windows 8.1(like hiding something 100 million people use) and the majority will keep the negative news coming, it is as simple as that.

Negative news = Go to Step 1 above

In short, regress, regress, regress - NOT advance. Here are some things apparently you (and J. T. Wang) apparently forgot to read on the way to the Windows 8 bashfest -

1. Windows 8 is not selling any slower overall than Windows 7 - the difference is that upgrade sales are a higher percentage of overall sales, and there are hardware categories that are new with Windows 8.

2. Desktop applications work no different in Windows 8 than Windows 7 - even most of you admit that.

3. There ARE utilities that bring back the semblance of a Start menu (such as ClassicShell, Start8, etc,) - if the lack of one is such an issue, you can use one of them.

4. Where has Windows 7 gone? It will be supported until at least 2021 - so said Microsoft before Windows 8 even launched.

5. You can shutdown using the power button (desktops, portables, what-have-you) without going through the same ritual you had to go through with Windows 7 and earlier - I did it myself just yesterday. In short, the mouse clicks (in fact, mouse movement) have been eliminated altogether - even for desktop PC users. All that is required is that your hardware support ACPI, which is, in fact, a hardware requirement for PCs that *predates* XP.

john.smith_2084 said,

We need:
The start button and menu.
The nice glass interface and colors.
To put back the hidden things, like shutdown buttons, etc.

You might, me not so much - cut out the "we" bit
I can't say i miss glass or the old menu - sticking the button back makes some sense but i'd rather they improved the new start screen (there's potential there but it's obviously in it's infancy).

And no, they're not going to target desktops and tablets separately. The idea is bring those and Phone together not push them apart. Doesn't mean they can't improve the experience for each of them though.

john.smith_2084 said,

To put back the hidden things, like shutdown buttons, etc.

The Shutdown button is not hidden, it's just in a different place. In fact, it's in one of the most centralized and prominent spots in the OS, accessible from any app: the settings menu, something every single Windows 8 user should get used to. This is a much better place than putting shutdown, a feature that is used at most once a day, 100 pixels away from a search box that is commonly used, taking up room in a menu that does not adjust its size based on monitor resolution.

ModernMech said,

The Shutdown button is not hidden, it's just in a different place. In fact, it's in one of the most centralized and prominent spots in the OS, accessible from any app: the settings menu, something every single Windows 8 user should get used to. This is a much better place than putting shutdown, a feature that is used at most once a day, 100 pixels away from a search box that is commonly used, taking up room in a menu that does not adjust its size based on monitor resolution.

Well it is hidden (it's not immediately visible) but then since the old start menu wasn't permanently visible the same is true of the old shutdown button too. 8 does bury it a level deeper (under settings) and I could see a reasonable case being made for it being a level up from there (next to settings). MS' view seems to be that we should let PCs sleep on their own though (don't really agree there). In both cases you have to learn where it is though (regardless).

Of course what we're skirting around here is the need to simplify versus 'have a button for everything visible all the time' - they're conflicting interests by nature.

PGHammer said,

1. Windows 8 is not selling any slower overall than Windows 7 - the difference is that upgrade sales are a higher percentage of overall sales, and there are hardware categories that are new with Windows 8.

Keep believing the Microsoft propaganda and you will be just fine

100 million copies sold and all internet traffic companies are still searching for them

dangel said,

Well it is hidden (it's not immediately visible) but then since the old start menu wasn't permanently visible the same is true of the old shutdown button too. 8 does bury it a level deeper (under settings) and I could see a reasonable case being made for it being a level up from there (next to settings). MS' view seems to be that we should let PCs sleep on their own though (don't really agree there). In both cases you have to learn where it is though (regardless).

Of course what we're skirting around here is the need to simplify versus 'have a button for everything visible all the time' - they're conflicting interests by nature.

it is verrrryyyy simple now, I have to move my mouse to the right bottom corner of the screen, wait, go to the long black line (charms), click on the shut down button, and select from the menu, wow

and if you try to do this using RDP, no, there is no way to show that menu over RDP, why? because RDP users are stupid maybe? yeh, only the Microsoft Sinovski is the smart one, good for him.

Windows 8 is used by 3 or 4% a year after it is released (they say 6 months but we all know that is just fake)

john.smith_2084 said,
it is verrrryyyy simple now, I have to move my mouse to the right bottom corner of the screen, wait, go to the long black line (charms), click on the shut down button, and select from the menu, wow

Or press alt+f4 on the desktop. Or press ctrl+alt+del. Or press Win+I. Or log off and it's right there. Or press Win+L. 100000 ways to turn off your PC, most of which are the same from Windows 7.

Windows 8 is used by 3 or 4% a year after it is released (they say 6 months but we all know that is just fake)

According to Statcounter, Windows 8 over the last 7 days accounted for 5.55% of desktop OS users (Windows, Mac, Linux). It peaked at 6.24% over the weekend.

ModernMech said,
....the settings menu, something every single Windows 8 user should get used to.......

I'm an arrogant self-righteous sysadmin who has been using Windows since its inception. I shouldn't have to learn anything new
/s

^The majority of the vocal minority.

ModernMech said,

Or press alt+f4 on the desktop. Or press ctrl+alt+del. Or press Win+I. Or log off and it's right there. Or press Win+L. 100000 ways to turn off your PC, most of which are the same from Windows 7.
.


Lets apply this to a Microsoft CAR

Press the Break Pedal + Beep: to switch on the wipers
Press the Gas Pedal + The Break + Beep: to start the car
Press the Gas Pedal + Then the Beep then the Break: to stop the car

Press the Break + Beep and Turn left to start the left turn signal
Press the Break + Beep and Turn right to start the right turn signal

Press the Break + Beep + Turn Left and Turn right to start the all flashing lights (must be done fast)

Run out of Gas? that is ok, press the Gas button and read the bible or the quran or taura or .... and the car may or may not start again

and the list goes on

Me: why do I have to do that?
Microsoft: Dude, that is innovation right there dude, that is the future.

yeh right

keep doing like this, and only the most fanatics will support you, everyone else will make fun of you.

PGHammer said,

1. Windows 8 is not selling any slower overall than Windows 7

Probably the biggest and most outright lie I have read on neowin in a long time, and I bet you didn't blink even one time while typing it out.

john.smith_2084 said,

Lets apply this to a Microsoft CAR

I don't think you understand the concept of an analogy. Here is an appropriate one: My car has multiple ways to open the trunk. There's a lever by my seat that opens it, a button on my fob that opens it, and then there's the actual lever on the trunk itself. In the next version of my car they moved the seat lever just below the mirror controls on the dash.... but they kept the other buttons in the same exact place. I still have multiple options for opening my trunk. All they did was move the lever from the seat to the dash.

Order_66 said,

Probably the biggest and most outright lie I have read on neowin in a long time, and I bet you didn't blink even one time while typing it out.

Windows 7 sold 100 million licenses in 6 months [1]. Windows 8 did the same [2]. Microsoft estimates there are 1.4 billion windows PCs in use today [3]. Statcounter estimates Windows 8 accounted for an average of 6.16% of Windows computers over the past 7 days [4]. If there are 1.4 billion Windows PCs in use and 6.16% of them are running Windows 8, that comes out to 86 million Windows 8 licenses in use, with an inventory of 14 million waiting to be sold.

[1] http://www.examiner.com/articl...t-selling-microsoft-os-ever
[2] http://www.reuters.com/article...sales-idUSBRE94603220130507
[3] http://fora.tv/2013/05/07/Wind..._Starting_Over_with_Windows
[4] http://gs.statcounter.com

ModernMech said,

Windows 7 sold 100 million licenses in 6 months [1]. Windows 8 did the same [2]. Microsoft estimates there are 1.4 billion windows PCs in use today [3]. Statcounter estimates Windows 8 accounted for an average of 6.16% of Windows computers over the past 7 days [4]. If there are 1.4 billion Windows PCs in use and 6.16% of them are running Windows 8, that comes out to 86 million Windows 8 licenses in use, with an inventory of 14 million waiting to be sold.

[1] http://www.examiner.com/articl...t-selling-microsoft-os-ever
[2] http://www.reuters.com/article...sales-idUSBRE94603220130507
[3] http://fora.tv/2013/05/07/Wind..._Starting_Over_with_Windows
[4] http://gs.statcounter.com

His claim was:
"Windows 8 is not selling any slower overall than Windows 7"

The windows 8 adoption rate can't even compete with vista let alone windows 7 and your (once again) heavily flawed usage of stats even defeats itself once you start to read between the lines.

Keep trying though, the extremely hateful and intolerant fanboy entertainment is priceless!

Order_66 said,
"Windows 8 is not selling any slower overall than Windows 7" The windows 8 adoption rate...

Okay stop right there. Yet again, as usual, you are focusing in on adoption rates, which for the umpteenth time are not directly comparable across time. I don't know why you cannot comprehend that. You said it yourself: the claim was "Windows 8 is not selling slower than Windows 7". I provided the evidence that backs this up. Once again you are wrong when faced with actual facts.

...can't even compete with vista let alone windows 7 and your (once again) heavily flawed usage of stats...

Once again I believe you are talking to a mirror. Did I not point this out to you at least twice the other day? Let's try this again, direct from the source of the data you are quoting [1]:

We can't go back before 11/2007 because the weighting required a completely new data collection structure. The two data sets are now incompatible with each other.

You're making a comparison between the 2013 and 2007 data, which is explicitly called out as invalid by the data collectors. You're just wrong, there's no other way to spin it. And yet you want to talk to me about "heavily flawed usage of stats"? Without even any reference to what exactly is "heavily flawed" no less? Laughable.

[1] http://www.zdnet.com/a-closer-...t-usage-numbers-7000014817/

ModernMech said,

Okay stop right there. Yet again, as usual, you are focusing in on adoption rates, which for the umpteenth time are not directly comparable across time.


Oh of course it doesn't, especially when it proves windows 8 is failing against vista in adoption rates <rolls eyes>

john.smith_2084 said,

it is verrrryyyy simple now, I have to move my mouse to the right bottom corner of the screen, wait, go to the long black line (charms), click on the shut down button, and select from the menu, wow

I think you missed my point - I wasn't talking about RDP or VMs - I'm highlighting the fact that it was/is hidden functionality in both cases. That there are usability issues either way doesn't affect that and neither does it detract from fact they are hidden because it isn't something you do that often (versus say, launching an app).

I wasn't arguing either implementation was 'better' or 'simpler' - just that they're hidden and both must be learnt (or discovered if you like).

john.smith_2084 said,


Lets apply this to a Microsoft CAR

Press the Break Pedal + Beep: to switch on the wipers
Press the Gas Pedal + The Break + Beep: to start the car
Press the Gas Pedal + Then the Beep then the Break: to stop the car

Press the Break + Beep and Turn left to start the left turn signal
Press the Break + Beep and Turn right to start the right turn signal

Press the Break + Beep + Turn Left and Turn right to start the all flashing lights (must be done fast)

Run out of Gas? that is ok, press the Gas button and read the bible or the quran or taura or .... and the car may or may not start again

and the list goes on

Me: why do I have to do that?
Microsoft: Dude, that is innovation right there dude, that is the future.

yeh right

keep doing like this, and only the most fanatics will support you, everyone else will make fun of you.

I actually had to start my old Renault by inserting the keycard, pressing down either the clutch or brake pedal and then pressing the "start" button...

Order_66 said,
Oh of course it doesn't, especially when it proves windows 8 is failing against vista in adoption rates <rolls eyes>

Are you seriously that myopic? Your tired argument has been put to pasture, and not by me. Come to the table with some actual facts next time instead of just making things up. Clearly the only data you have has been discredited, so it seems like you don't have anything else.

Is it most regrettably that it took a company like Acer to, finally, get Microsoft's attention about the many defects in Windows-8, most especially for the millions of non-touch centric users. Non-touch is going to be around for many years to come, and for Microsoft to ignore them is the height of foolishness, or maybe it was arrogance?
Good going Acer. Now, maybe the other OEMs will join Acer in helping to force a decent new OS.

Have you even used Windows 8? Seriously? It works with keyboard and mouse, it works fantastic in fact. The only problem with windows 8 is the thing between your ears.

spudtrooper said,
Have you even used Windows 8? Seriously? It works with keyboard and mouse, it works fantastic in fact. The only problem with windows 8 is the thing between your ears.
Unfortunately, products designed to be used by human beings have to account for the thing between their ears.

I have, it sucks. Especially when using Remote desktop, trying to find the spot where to click to get the start screen is almost impossible, and the charms bar as well. Sorry but it just sucks.

TsarNikky said,
Good going Acer. Now, maybe the other OEMs will join Acer in helping to force a decent new OS.

TBH Acer talk a whole lot of rubbish most of the time - and I wouldn't be so quick to credit them with any change MS is making given that their prime motivation on 8 was more likely being annoyed by MS doing surface and showing them up.

spudtrooper said,
Have you even used Windows 8? Seriously? It works with keyboard and mouse, it works fantastic in fact. The only problem with windows 8 is the thing between your ears.

Cannot tell if sarcasm.

TsarNikky said
.. Non-touch is going to be around for many years to come, and for Microsoft to ignore them is the height of foolishness, or maybe it was arrogance?
The OS isn't bad, it's that Microsoft didn't make it easy for people to learn how to use it.

Try and understand this, alright. When a company changes how their product works, it's only right that they make the transition and adoption easier.

0sit0 said,
I have, it sucks. Especially when using Remote desktop, trying to find the spot where to click to get the start screen is almost impossible, and the charms bar as well. Sorry but it just sucks.

Your either not using remote desktop on win8/server 2012 or not very observant because there is a remote commands menu accessable from both full screen and windowed mode that lets you to get to all those things very easily also the Alt+Home shortcut gets you to the start screen as well.

j2006 said,
Bipolar much, Acer?

More like passive aggressive. The praise had backhanded compliment written all over it.

SpyderCanopus said
One little button. That's all you need.
I really would love to have a start button to go to the Start Screen.

"The world in the next five years is not going 100 percent to touch," he said. "Although touch makes a lot of possibilities for PCs, you need to take care of the rest of the world that doesn't need touch."

I never thought I'd say this but I fully agree with the Acer-guy.

Windows 8 is great but the OS' hidden UI elements are only intuitive on touch. They are do-able on non-touch but it can be very frustrating without a tutorial. It certainly isnt a good long-term solution. In my opinion Microsoft needs to add an option that makes Windows 8's modern UI work great with non-touch (no hidden UI elements).

That is because intuitive (for most folks) = familiar. Of course you have to take the time to get familiar with it - I said as much way back during the Developer and Consumer Previews. The real issue is that the critics by and large have no desire to take the time, or are quick to dismiss the unfamiliar UI entirely because it IS unfamiliar.

Ronnet said,
In my opinion Microsoft needs to add an option that makes Windows 8's modern UI work great with non-touch (no hidden UI elements).

Problem is, that's discounting the fact that any UI is pretty much full of 'hidden UI elements'. Windows 7 has hidden context menus everywhere and explorer itself lacks almost any kind of command UI for the mouse to use - unlike 8 which has a context sensitive ribbon with nice easy to click visual elements to do things like cut and paste. 7 is intuitive if you've spent 15 years using CTRL+C/V/X and right clicking on stuff to 'discover' it. No UI is free of it - iOS and Android have the same hidden elements in droves too. Problem is, with something so established as Windows changing this entrenched learning is highly objectionable regardless of it's functionality or merit.

dangel said,

Problem is, that's discounting the fact that any UI is pretty much full of 'hidden UI elements'.

1000x this. My favorite example in recent memory is this image here: http://www.thevista.ru/files/office/SilverTheme.png

This is office 2007 running on Windows Vista. For some reason, everyone knew that the little orb in the bottom left with the Windows logo opened the start menu. But for some reason, no one could figure out that the almost identical orb in the top left opened an office menu. It's not that the Orb start button was somehow more intuitive, it's just that people were trained fro 15 years that the button in the bottom left opened the start menu. I would bet like hell that if in 1995 Microsoft introduced the Windows 7 UI that is being touted as so intuitive, people would be crying about how the start menu is hidden and not even labeled and doesn't even look like a button (they looked very different in 1995).

The modern OS with the largest number of hidden elements in my opinion is iOS. If you stick to opening and closing apps it's fine, but anything else is completely hidden, even for the most simple tasks. How do you change the brightness? Tap the home button twice to open the app switcher. Then swipe to the left to get to the brightness controls. How is that intuitive? Why am I going to the app switcher to change brightness? How would I know to tap twice to do this? How would I know to swipe left once in the app switcher to get to brightness controls?

How do you make an app folder? Tap and hold on an app to enter app wiggle mode. Then drag an app on another app and wait, then let go and you have a folder. Then tap the home button to exit this mode. How is that intuitive? Or my favorite: getting a youtube video to play while the screen is off. Play the video, then turn off the screen. It stops playing. Now turn the screen back on but don't unlock it. Tap the home button twice to reveal the hidden play controls, then press the play button, then turn the screen off again. How is that intuitive?

How about using Siri: press and hold the home button. Or opening the notification center: swipe down from the top. Everything I've mentioned above has absolutely ZERO indication in the OS on how to access this functionality. And yet iOS is regarded as one of the most simple and intuitive operating systems out there. Go figure.

Edited by ModernMech, May 9 2013, 4:19pm :

heh, I'd agree - I had no idea how to switch apps on iOS - multi fingered swipe - ooooooohhhhh of course

I found the start menu in Windows dumb as hell coming from an Amiga with workbench with had multiple menus at the top of the screen which were naturally categorized and far quicker to navigate (and also 'hey top of the screen' like where all my menus are normally!).

And well, I click Start->shutdown. Hmmm? I don't usually start by stopping

Not that, again, i'm suggesting 8 has it right either - but I stopped doing start->shutdown years ago when some nice chap fixed things to the MB and PSU could just know what to do when I pressed the dedicated button on my desktop or when I closed the lid of my laptop. It doesn't bother me. In fact what does is watching users systematically close 15 apps which don't need any save interaction as part of the process BEFORE clicking start->shutdown.

Screams.

I'm betting Microsoft won't go far enough in correcting these issues, they're fighting internally over everything and it shows. RT is pointless, a serious waste of resources and any power benefits will be irrelevant in the very near future. Once 8.1 is out and 3rd party apps fix the rest what I consider broken, I'd like to 8 another shot, I'm interested to see if the other actual improvements make it worthwhile.

RT fills the sport where a bunch of users are complaining about x86 CPUs using to much watts to provide a proper battery running time for tablets.
ovbiously RT is usefull where the users dont need more than the system already provides. Seeing the sales of smartphones and android and ios tablets some users really dont need more than RT

The whole purpose of RT is to push Intel and AMD to get their asses in gear in the production of low power consumption chips.

And it is working (at least for Intel).

-adrian- said,
RT fills the sport where a bunch of users are complaining about x86 CPUs using to much watts to provide a proper battery running time for tablets.

Thats not true. Since Intels Clover Trail Win 8 tablets easily match any Win RT tablets in battery life, and they're also x86 (look at the Samsung ATIV Smart PC for instance, it actually has longer battery life than the iPad). Clover Trail also offers performance atleast as good as the Tegra 3 in the Surface RT. Theres no "spot" to fill anymore.

When MS started work on RT it would have made perfect sense as Intel had nothing that came close to ARM in power consumption. But now Clover Trail actually uses less power than Tegra 3, and very similar power consumption to other ARM offerings.

In the long run it will pay off to have Windows support for ARM though, as theres more ARM based CPU's out there than Intel and AMD combined. MS just need to make RT as capable as Win 8.

W32.Backdoor.KillAV.E said,

MS just need to make RT as capable as Win 8.

Exactly! Cut all the artificial restrictions on the OS. Windows on ARM should be just a recompile of Windows 8/8 Pro with desktop app support, AD join support (in Pro), OpenGL support, etc. It wouldn't be that much different from the difference between having x86 and x64 versions... you can't install 64-bit software/drivers on 32bit Windows, so you already have to know what version you're running. There would just be three flavors instead of two. Besides, .Net 4.x apps can be written to run on any cpu.

Put Windows Phone OS on 7" tablets if desktop usability is really that big a problem.

I love Acer quality, especially my 1200€ AiO where the wifi has problems receiving from the next room (while no other device in the house does) and after upgrading to Win8 the touchscreen stops working after reboots. They clearly should listen, they know better!

Acer's HIGH send stuff.. is pretty damn good.. Not going to lie.. but their lower end stuff.. not so much. But.. that was about 8 years ago when I worked in retail.. not sure if they have gotten any better..

francescob said,
I love Acer quality, especially my 1200€ AiO where the wifi has problems receiving from the next room (while no other device in the house does) and after upgrading to Win8 the touchscreen stops working after reboots. They clearly should listen, they know better!

So you updated your OS without checking driver compatibility...perhaps you should go work for Geek Squad.

Acer's high end stuff is pretty good. Even their low end, you buy it for cheap not for long lasting life. I had a cheap acer last me a year, then gave it to my brother in high school and it survived another 2 years of high school hell..many drops and impacting locker doors etc etc.

Acer's quality significantly increased in the last few years. I remember it was junk around 2006, but today, they're laptops are very good, including the low-end. It's similar to ASRock - at first, it was a low end producer of not-so-good motherboards, but today, it's my first choice when building a PC.

Fus10n said,
When Acer calls you out.. It is time to re-evaluate your product

Is this a joke? All Acer makes is low quality garbage. I don't even know anyone that has an Acer product. Why care what they say?

Fus10n said,
Acer's HIGH send stuff.. is pretty damn good.. Not going to lie.. but their lower end stuff.. not so much. But.. that was about 8 years ago when I worked in retail.. not sure if they have gotten any better..

I have a whole stack of dead Acer laptops, of which some models are high-end, some low-end. The last one (an Extensa 5630, I never bought any after that) had a problem apparently quite common with that model where the motherboard boot times kept getting longer and longer until it was no longer booting. Unfortunately the stores here in Italy sell mostly Acer and Packard Bell (still Acer) models, if it wasn't for online stores I'd still be stuck with those POS notebooks from hell. The AiO I bought, at the time I think it was their highest-end AiO, the AZ3800, had an huge discount, if it wasn't for that I'd never have bought anything from that brand again, but apparently there were reasons for how cheap it was

I think this report says it all on their 'quality': http://www.ereleases.com/pr/re...s-top-acer-barely-cut-99183

soulburner said,
Acer's quality significantly increased in the last few years. I remember it was junk around 2006, but today, they're laptops are very good, including the low-end. It's similar to ASRock - at first, it was a low end producer of not-so-good motherboards, but today, it's my first choice when building a PC.

I think it was just because years ago (from the P4 and other high-TDP CPUs era up to the last core2duos) the whole laptop market had turned into trash due to the heat dissipation problems and lack of motherboards capable of properly handling the power load of those CPUs. Since the core architecture was abandoned Acer has improved but so did all their competition.

mnl1121 said,

Is this a joke? All Acer makes is low quality garbage. I don't even know anyone that has an Acer product. Why care what they say?

You mis-understood. I said that SINCE they make ****.. if someone that makes crap calls you out.. lol

mnl1121 said,

Is this a joke? All Acer makes is low quality garbage. I don't even know anyone that has an Acer product. Why care what they say?

Exactly. I was thinking he missed out the /s tag.