Acer: Windows RT has "no value"


The new Acer Aspire R7

Acer recently launched the Aspire R7 laptop/all-in-one-PC alongside their new tablet, the Aspire P3, after many months of silence from the company. Acer President Jim Wong has been one of Microsoft't biggest critics, claiming that the Windows 8 launch was unsuccessful and that Microsoft was wrong for entering the hardware market with the Surface, which may or may not be doing well. 

CITE World is reporting that Wong claimed in an interview that a Windows RT tablet has "no value" and that Acer is waiting for the next release of RT. "The plan for an RT tablet is ongoing. To be honest, there's no value doing the current version of RT," said Wong. Windows RT devices have not, according to multiple estimates, being doing well, capturing just 0.4% of all tablet operating systems in Q1 2013.

Acer is focused on hybrid devices that combine both laptop and tablet functionality at multiple price points, such as the newly released Aspire R7. According to Wong, "users [are] looking for more versatile products." Wong said Acer expect 25% of their tablet sales to be Windows 8 tablets and that Acer's outlook for Windows 8 is positive. The Surface, and the distraction it caused, was one of the reasons that Windows 8 had a slow start, according to Wong, but it's back on track now. 

With so many other OEMs offering Windows 8 products and the (slow) decline of the PC industry, Acer needs to be at the top of the innovation curve, says Wong, and Windows 8 will be an important part of that. 

Source: CITE World | Image via PCPro 

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I started out with a Surface RT but sold it in favor of an ASUS touchscreen laptop. I liked Windows 8 but I needed ALL of Windows 8. When my workplace purchased a Surface Pro for me, I sold my laptop. My Surface Pro is everything I wanted in a tablet. My wife had used the same ASUS laptop but found out she was using touch more than anything else, I sold it and got her a Surface RT with the pink keyboard and she absolutely loves it. She doesn't have any legacy programs she needs and is quite happy with it. So, there is room for RT in our house.

Windows RT has value only as an expensive toy, think of it as being one or two steps above what Fisher-Price offers in children's toy stores. As for being any kind of "serious use PC," a big joke.

TsarNikky said,
Windows RT has value only as an expensive toy, think of it as being one or two steps above what Fisher-Price offers in children's toy stores. As for being any kind of "serious use PC," a big joke.

Which goes for any tablet or mobile OS. They're not designed for content creation or work but designed for consumption.

same for iOS with the ipad and all android tablets.... so basically you have no tablets whatsoever and there a big waste of time (except for surface pro of course)

win RT as an expensive toy, the ipad is the most expensive toy around. go moan at them to

Agree I think the future is unix / Linux so much you can do with the Linux kernel look how far android / Ubuntu and fedora have come over the last 5 years alone . Microsoft has pretty much done nothing in terms of serious change and advancement . I use to hate Linux but today I can install fedora or any Linux distro and have so much fun using my PC / laptop

why can't people just let go? windows is a dying brand it doesn't take a genius to see that...literally no one I know talks about or cares about anything Microsoft, its all Android and Apple. ...I mean how long are we going to ignore the obvious? MS is in serious trouble, period.

Sonne said,
why can't people just let go? windows is a dying brand it doesn't take a genius to see that...literally no one I know talks about or cares about anything Microsoft, its all Android and Apple. ...I mean how long are we going to ignore the obvious? MS is in serious trouble, period.

Only in the mobile market, outside it it is pretty healty.

Sonne said,
-- snip --

Until they go home, switch on their Windows PC.
The idea that Windows is a dying brand is just plain wrong. Windows as a brand is so ingrained right now, that even if they flat out stopped making it as of today, people would still be talking about and using it in 10 years time.

to me this touch technology, especially tablets and Surface is in its very early stage - like the first game consoles were Pong and now there is PS, XBOX, Wii

id give this technology 4-5 years before something worthy is made, even if this hardware is officially released, it looks like a beta test that will last a couple of years and the people making are collecting feedback from users in order to make the OFFICIAL version in 4-5 years

idk if you are still following me on that one...

If Intel can get a x86/64 chip that's low powered, and cheap then Windows RT will become pointless! Windows is not Windows if you cant run legacy applications! X86/64 processors are arguably by far superior to Arm processors!

Anyone else feel that windows RT should be reworked and offered for mini tablets. That way they can offer great value for the 7inchers +.

Windows RT was has been doomed from the start many users for years on neowin have said over and over and the proof is in the pudding. You may not like to hear it but Windows of any kind on arm has no future.

Windows RT is only good for 7" and 8" tablets. Windows 8 and Clover trail is killer software & hardware for 9" and 10" tablets, battery life is there, full Windows not the BS that is RT. Windows RT fragments the Windows tablet market and should only be on cheap & small tablets.

I don't know why but I get the feeling that Acer doesn't like that Microsoft is making computers.

I agree with him to some extent though. There is no reason why both Windows Phone OS and Windows RT need to exist long term. They both accomplish the same goal of getting Windows onto ARM. If you can make a refined hybrid of the two operating systems (WP8/RT) that can be installed on everything from a 4" smartphone up to a 10" tablet/hybrid then you have a nice ARM-based platform for Windows. I don't see the need to continue developing two ARM-based OSes in parallel. As long as they make good design choices they can help out both RT and WP by combining them.

Edited by Avatar Roku, May 5 2013, 8:50pm :

It's not like Surface RT is stealing tons of sales. That's definitely not it. I don't think ANYONE is selling a ton of RT devices.

RT has no value to those with no imaginations. All you have to do is look at their offerings. Yes, Microsoft needs to improve RT but no value is a bit harsh.

hagjohn said,
RT has no value to those with no imaginations. All you have to do is look at their offerings. Yes, Microsoft needs to improve RT but no value is a bit harsh.

No value compared to competition. Who wants to buy a tablet with not much apps available ? And the desktop side is here just for nagging the user : it look like the regular windows, but you can't run any regular windows apps.

bigmehdi said,

No value compared to competition. Who wants to buy a tablet with not much apps available ? And the desktop side is here just for nagging the user : it look like the regular windows, but you can't run any regular windows apps.

60,000 is "not much"

It always amuses me when companies like Acer criticize others... Acer's quality has to be the lowest in the PC space...

ya it would be hard to understand Acer's specific point of view, none of us are exposed to his private corp data. we are all just arm chair quarterbacks here.
I think Acer wants all variants of Windows 8 to be a success so they can sell it and make money off of it. The guy in the story is not a Troll and he is punished for his honesty, something that is rare in the corporate world.

This answer should be given much more attention and not be down here.

"Acer Chairman J.T. Wang said Acer's top priority is to boost its operating margin to the 2%-3% range from 0.4% currently." (http://uk.dailyeconomic.com/20...es-higher-profits-with.html)

0.4% is nothing to operate on and there's absolutely no wonder that Acer can't bet on the poorly performing Windows RT in a situation like this. This platform / strategy is of no interest for Acer right now. It may have been with an OEM sailing high in the skies of profits to attempt a powerful Windows RT marketing campaign, but this is really not where PC OEM's in general are today.

I think that RT will get better with time because it's the same as Windows 8 to begin with. As he says, 8 is back on track following a slow start, that means that developers will still want to take advantage of the Windows Store, no reason to ignore it honestly. This in turn helps RT and if Blue is any indication, MS is doing as much as it can to cut down the need for the desktop on RT devices specifically.

Once they can drop the desktop from RT then there is no real confusion, if consumers see that it's just the start screen and metro/store apps and no sign of the desktop then they won't think about trying to run their old desktop win32 apps on a RT device. The problem is that the desktop is there and visible and once they see it they think "oh I can use this like my x86 PC."

With 8.1 and all the changes we've seen so far, metro file manager, more options in the metro PC settings panel, etc, I see the need for the desktop to be exposed on a pure RT consumption device as not needed. Any future 7-8" tablets running RT should specifically NOT have the desktop exposed IMO.

GP007 said,
I think that RT will get better with time because it's the same as Windows 8 to begin with. As he says, 8 is back on track following a slow start, that means that developers will still want to take advantage of the Windows Store, no reason to ignore it honestly. This in turn helps RT and if Blue is any indication, MS is doing as much as it can to cut down the need for the desktop on RT devices specifically.

Once they can drop the desktop from RT then there is no real confusion, if consumers see that it's just the start screen and metro/store apps and no sign of the desktop then they won't think about trying to run their old desktop win32 apps on a RT device. The problem is that the desktop is there and visible and once they see it they think "oh I can use this like my x86 PC."

With 8.1 and all the changes we've seen so far, metro file manager, more options in the metro PC settings panel, etc, I see the need for the desktop to be exposed on a pure RT consumption device as not needed. Any future 7-8" tablets running RT should specifically NOT have the desktop exposed IMO.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, IF Microsoft completely cuts the desktop from Windows RT with no option to enable it then they need to offer Windows 8/8 Pro for ARM. If I lost the desktop on my Surface RT I'd be pretty upset. I'd probably end up get rid of it when an x86 alternative that I like came along (I'm hoping AMD gets one of their APU's in a nice 10" convertible tables at some point).

theyarecomingforyou said,
Almost certainly, but Google has barely promoted them whilst Microsoft is rumoured to have invested around $400m advertising the Surface.

Although i know where you're coming from, every other ad break here appears to have a Google/Gmail/Chrome book ad and if you're watching anything on a catch up service, there's a chrome book ad in there too.

You have to give him credit though. The fact that Microsoft can't even reveal sales figures for Windows 8 in their most recent quarterly reports obviously proves that the operating system is not as well loved. I recently got a new laptop with Windows 7 Professional preinstalled and I have no intention of removing it.

I use Windows 8 Pro at work though and have it on an old Acer laptop at home, but thats just for staying current. If I do buy a system with Windows 8 though, I will stick with it. I just don't see much value in Windows 8 over Windows 7. I spend 99.999% in the desktop app anyway. I must admit I do use the People app a lot lately, just for the sake that I blocked Facebook at work on all the computers and I don't want people to know I can still access Facebook.

Microsoft have never separated Windows licence sales in there financials, so why are you making it a big deal now????.
Microsoft have only touched the surface so far with RT, there will be plenty more to come from this.

I use my Surface RT far more than I would ever use anything as silly as the R7 or the P3. I also suspect MS will sell more Surfaces than Acer will sell R7s and P3s combined.

jakem1 said,
I use my Surface RT far more than I would ever use anything as silly as the R7 or the P3. I also suspect MS will sell more Surfaces than Acer will sell R7s and P3s combined.

I think he means the low end Surface could've used an ATOM processor, still cost $500, not had any fans, lasted pretty much just as long on battery, but enabled the ability to use desktop programs if you so pleased.

mrp04 said,

I think he means the low end Surface could've used an ATOM processor, still cost $500, not had any fans, lasted pretty much just as long on battery, but enabled the ability to use desktop programs if you so pleased.


I intentionally avoided the Atom Clovertrail because of poor graphics GPU PowerVR SGX545 and poor desktop x86 programs performance. I think people will complain just as loud when they realize a lot of the desktop programs can't run well or starting to get infected with trojans, viruses, and malware. And also a free copy of Office 2013 is pretty useful. I think the next generation of Atom will make it more competitive but the current one isn't quiet there yet. At least for now, Windows RT tablet is more worry-free (can't get malwares, trojans, viruses).

Edited by KevinN206, May 5 2013, 7:34pm :

KevinN206 said,

I intentionally avoided the Atom Clovertrail because of poor graphics GPU PowerVR SGX545 and poor desktop x86 programs performance. I think people will complain just as loud when they realize a lot of the desktop programs can't run well or starting to get infected with trojans, viruses, and malware. And also a free copy of Office 2013 is pretty useful. I think the next generation of Atom will make it more competitive but the current one isn't quiet there yet. At least for now, Windows RT tablet is more worry-free (can't get malwares, trojans, viruses).

I guess GPU performance is a bit poor but that'll be resolved soon, hopefully. The ARM processors themselves have poor performance, though and Clover Trail beats them most of the time for things such as boot and app launch time. If you restrict yourself from using desktop apps then you can't get malware on the Atom based ones, either.

Once the next generation of Atom is out I really don't see why you'd get an ARM based one unless it was very cheap.

KevinN206 said,

I think people will complain just as loud when they realize a lot of the desktop programs can't run well or starting to get infected with trojans, viruses, and malware.

This is FUD.

The surface pro is a great device but delaying it's worldwide release is having a big impact. I'm not going to buy an Acer W700 (basically the same as the P3) when the price of the Surface Pro hasn't been announced. I waited two/three months until January because they said the pro would be released in early 2013. Then I waited another three months as it's worldwide release was coming soon. Now I'm waiting another 2 or 3 weeks and I've not even got a price yet. If they announced that it would be coming to the UK in May 2013 for £??? then I would know what I'm waiting for and I could compare my options to other devices on the market.

There is also a big chance that when they finally reveal the price it won't be my best option anyway.

Currently my best option is an Acer W700 (128GB) for £680, I won't go above £800 for a 128GB Surface Pro with a keyboard and that's not looking likely.

Edited by Gaffney, May 5 2013, 5:55pm :

Well. Microsoft will announce the Surface successor on June (rumor say)...

After saying that, I Hope you don't get in the "But if I wait x months for x to come" race, which will never end, and which I am currently into.

Hmmm....

Could be... But I believe that a surface refresh shall come, at least with intel's newest Haswell lineup and Iris GPU, which is set to be strong.

Be more proactive and stop bashing around. Why he keeps bashing his own products? since most of Acer products running Windows. @@

learn to read..
what did he say and what was the over all message he was trying to convey ?
clearly you don't understand what the guy was quoted as saying.

spoetnik said,
learn to read..
what did he say and what was the over all message he was trying to convey ?
clearly you don't understand what the guy was quoted as saying.

Or maybe you could help him understand rather than being a dick about it?

Acer if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
On the other hand,
Me: Acer has "no value"

Companies have to report to shareholders and justify their business strategy. Windows RT has performed very poorly, so it's a wise decision to wait for the Windows Blue refresh.

I have to admit it, Windows RT has an excuse for sucking at the time. It's new technolocgy in a crowded ARM market (Google, Apple, etc). and it shouldn't be judged so hastily. My Acer cheap $200 PC has had its hard drive tank on me. That's what I got for buying cheap Acer crap. But what's sad is I sent it in for them to repair it, they replaced the HD, same problem. So I replaced the HD myself with a good WD off of Newegg.This is a backup PC, for all things serious I use my laptop. I know it's OEM and not custom built, but come on! It was defective since day 1! And they have the nerve with their crapola defective chealy made garbage to call a Microsoft product of no value? They should look in the mirror.

ShareShiz said,
Acer just keeps on making crap, and they wonder why no one buys their crap.

So, if even Acer isn't buying the "rt" stuff then you bet how crappiest is rt.

ShareShiz said,
Acer just keeps on making crap, and they wonder why no one buys their crap.

I own two Acer products, and I can say, they are not crap and very well made! Where did you get the notion Acer products are crap???

ShareShiz said,
Acer just keeps on making crap, and they wonder why no one buys their crap.

Why don't you tell us who's buying this great windows gear if its not Acer?

I disagree Acer. Windows RT will fit the needs as a Windows Store only system on ARM hardware, but there need to be a few design changes to avoid future confusion among consumers. The name being the first one...

Thief000 said,
I disagree Acer. Windows RT will fit the needs as a Windows Store only system on ARM hardware, but there need to be a few design changes to avoid future confusion among consumers. The name being the first one...

But what's the point of it? ATOM barely costs more yet enables desktop programs IF YOU WANT. They get just as good battery life as the ARM tablets, too.

mrp04 said,

But what's the point of it? ATOM barely costs more yet enables desktop programs IF YOU WANT. They get just as good battery life as the ARM tablets, too.

Would you rather Windows RT not exist then? Why do you think Intel Atom chips are as cheap as they are now? (Hint: competition).

mrp04 said,

But what's the point of it? ATOM barely costs more yet enables desktop programs IF YOU WANT. They get just as good battery life as the ARM tablets, too.

The point of RT is to provide performance and battery life guarantees. We all know that a user left alone with a standard x86 Windows system will install everything he finds on the internet, and after a few months the machine will crawl to a halt because 400 banzai buddy and weather bug apps are running in the background. At this point, these same people turn around and say "Windows is terrible" and go out and buy an iPad.

Windows RT is Microsoft's answer to iOS, a walled garden where you can't get yourself into too much trouble. Since RT can only install metro apps, which have to conform to strict background APIs, Microsoft can make some claims about how long the tablet will run and that it will stay that way. Can't do that with a generic Windows 8 system.

ModernMech said,

The point of RT is to provide performance and battery life guarantees. We all know that a user left alone with a standard x86 Windows system will install everything he finds on the internet, and after a few months the machine will crawl to a halt because 400 banzai buddy and weather bug apps are running in the background. At this point, these same people turn around and say "Windows is terrible" and go out and buy an iPad.

Windows RT is Microsoft's answer to iOS, a walled garden where you can't get yourself into too much trouble. Since RT can only install metro apps, which have to conform to strict background APIs, Microsoft can make some claims about how long the tablet will run and that it will stay that way. Can't do that with a generic Windows 8 system.

Why not have a slider somewhere in the settings the will enable the ability to install unsigned desktop programs, similar to what Android does? This way people who have no clue what they're doing can't install that crap and people who do know can.

ModernMech said,

Windows RT is Microsoft's answer to iOS, a walled garden where you can't get yourself into too much trouble.

Restricting freedom, in the name of a supposed security. This is what I call politics.

Thief000 said,
I disagree Acer. Windows RT will fit the needs as a Windows Store only system on ARM hardware, but there need to be a few design changes to avoid future confusion among consumers. The name being the first one...

lol you just said when the Acer guy said.. glad you disagree though.
AND all the clever people here that clicked like on your comment LOL

bigmehdi said,

Restricting freedom, in the name of a supposed security. This is what I call politics.

More like restricting 'freedom' because of lack of understanding. The thing is, no one is forced to buy an RT device. They can buy a full system with Desktop if they so desire but that's not what these devices are about.

mrp04 said,

Why not have a slider somewhere in the settings the will enable the ability to install unsigned desktop programs, similar to what Android does? This way people who have no clue what they're doing can't install that crap and people who do know can.

Amen to that!! An official option to enable third-party desktop apps would be most welcome.

Edited by domboy, May 6 2013, 1:18pm :

domboy said,

Amen to that!! An official option to enable third-party desktop apps would be most welcome.

You will still not be able to install classic Windows applications because they will not run on the ARM processors. All that would give you is a way to install Windows 8 apps without using the store. I agree, that would be nice, but it would not make RT any more compatible.

Surface is a distraction, but it holds 50% of the Windows tablet market and is the sole reason why PC makers like Acer are innovating on hybrid designs? lol. the Acer P3 is clearly inspired by the Surface Pro.

rorrr said,
Surface is a distraction, but it holds 50% of the Windows tablet market and is the sole reason why PC makers like Acer are innovating on hybrid designs? lol. the Acer P3 is clearly inspired by the Surface Pro.

But he is specifically speaking about Windows RT and in its actual form. Based on the article it does not seem he is against the OS in perspective, just as it is now.