Responding to last week’s Steve Jobs’ public letter calling for an end to Flash, CNET reports that Adobe will be distributing free Android phones to its employees.
Though it is still in testing, Flash 10.1 for Android is well on its way to shipping near June with Android 2.2. Adobe is planning to demonstrate and release a public preview of the software at this month’s Google I/O conference.
While Microsoft joined Apple in proclaiming HTML5 and H.264 “the future of the web”, Adobe is continuing to promote Flash for both desktop and mobile devices. To ensure the experience is as seamless and bug-free as possible, they will be providing free Android phones with Flash Player pre-installed to its employees. The concept is described as “eating one’s own dogfood”.
It’s not yet clear whether they will be giving the phones to all of their 8,600 employees or just their developers. The devices will be “various HTC phones and the Nexus One”.
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ReplyI'd go for a free Nexus one right now. But really this whole Steve Jobs vs. Adobe sh- is getting really dumb.
lol
LOL! Good one.
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It's weird because i haven't had a single flash related error in years. So i guess you're doing something wrong? Probably.
It's weird because i haven't had a single flash related error in years. So i guess you're doing something wrong? Probably.
Yes because clearly everyone who has a problem is doing something wrong.. OOO I see the problem, we are surfing the net..
Well, that is actually not far from the truth
We all have cancer cells. In a way we all have cancer, and it doesn't make us sick, because our body detects those mutated cells and destroy them.
The problem starts when those cells go out of control.
It's weird because i haven't had a single flash related error in years. So i guess you're doing something wrong? Probably.
I know macs have big issues, but its down to apples wall garden. its why mac's have only just started to get hardware acceleration, cuz apple have only just opened the API's to do it. iv not really got a problem with flash my self.
very funny!!!!
The end of Flash is coming whether Adobe like it or not, Apple have proven you don't need it (look how well the iPhone/iPad are doing without it). Adobe needs to stop acting like a child and start embracing HTML5. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.
For me I have nothing against Apple's pro-HTML5 stance but at the end of the day if I have bought a computer or some device it is up to me to decide what I load and don't onto that given device - not Apple. That is the problem I have with Apple and nothing to do with their pro-HTML5 position.
I just hope that the pro-HTML5 position fails not because I want it to fail but for no other reason that it would force Apple to open up their device to applications and frameworks, and being able to load software onto the device without having to go through the AppStore.
For me I have nothing against Apple's pro-HTML5 stance but at the end of the day if I have bought a computer or some device it is up to me to decide what I load and don't onto that given device - not Apple. That is the problem I have with Apple and nothing to do with their pro-HTML5 position.
I just hope that the pro-HTML5 position fails not because I want it to fail but for no other reason that it would force Apple to open up their device to applications and frameworks, and being able to load software onto the device without having to go through the AppStore.
But the two have nothing related! They could always start using a protocol that websites could use to download apps to the phone. But as far as HTML5 goes, if it fails, the AppStore by then will have grown in popularity and the apps would reach new numbers, they have nothing in common. HTML5 is going to help the web recover. If everybody works together, HTML5 can be much more than javascript and fancy code, it can be an advanced programming language that Flash can be translated into so everybody wins. If this happens, HTML5 code will help the web a lot on the iPhone, iPad, and the computers, etc...
As far as opening applications and frameworks, no no no... This isn't Android, move to Android if you want that. When Windows Phone 7 is released, it will use Silverlight or XNA, and when it does support Flash I highly doubt apps will be allowed with that code. I completely agree with keeping apps high-quality using the APIs that the OS was designed to use and not some garbage APIs that follow APIs that follow APIs, etc.
We are heading into an era where the Internet itself is an application. The old static HTML and the programming languages like PHP and ASP.NET are going to come to an end. HTML5 will be like a container, an advanced container for everything to come together. It will be a great standard and will lead to much more efficient browsers, the capabilities are endless. Games, video, live feeds, etc, all running under pure HTML5 code, accessible to all browsers that support the standard completely.
I agree. One may disagree on whether Flash is needed or not *today*, but as for the long run, I think Adobe needs to embrace HTML 5. I wouldn't be surprised if they did either. They may just want to wait for this dust to settle down to not look like Apple's and Microsoft's b*tch.
Yes, some games have been written that makes use of the canvas element as the drawing surface, and Javascript for the interaction.
Edit: Here's a simple platform game - http://purplefloyd.wordpress.c...form-game-written-in-html5/
Yes.
Yes.
Well then I'd assume when HTML5 is widely adopted, it will be abused just like Flash is now (and buggy HTML5/js code will run 2X slower than Flash according to neowin's post on performance comparison, gotta love that).
And yes, if Apple was to change their mind Adobe would be putting resources into their products in a heartbeat. That said, I fail to see how their stance can fail...it's been three years already and if anything more and more sites are moving to HTML 5 so in Apple's eyes perhaps they have already "won".
And yes, if Apple was to change their mind Adobe would be putting resources into their products in a heartbeat. That said, I fail to see how their stance can fail...it's been three years already and if anything more and more sites are moving to HTML 5 so in Apple's eyes perhaps they have already "won".
Actually no, because opening up to Flash allows Flash applications to be downloaded and run without having to go through the AppStore - that is what Apple fears; that their monopsony will become undermined.
Actually no, because opening up to Flash allows Flash applications to be downloaded and run without having to go through the AppStore - that is what Apple fears; that their monopsony will become undermined.
You can have relatively closed devices that still support flash. So yes, they could run some apps but they certainly don't need to open up all their frameworks.
still a pretty cool offering to their employees
I am getting sick and tired of people flaming flash. You guys are all tools, simply tools, of Microsoft / Apple / Google propaganda. (Promote Chrome, Promote IE9, Be Childish)
How the **** is 16-33% of Intel Atom to play 1080p flash videos on youtube considered poor performance?
Apple doesn't want to take responsibility for anything. They will only put out fires they deem is necessary.
The problem isn't Flash, the problem is Mac OS X, the buggy frameworks, not allowing access to the video card and Safari using Quartz2D instead of Core Animation. Worse, they've recently allowed access to the video card but only for three models - what about all those other end users with ATI and Nvidia cards not supported by it? Flash does have problems but it would be fair to say that a large amount of those problems are due to Mac OS X and not Mac OS X.
The problem isn't Flash, the problem is Mac OS X, the buggy frameworks, not allowing access to the video card and Safari using Quartz2D instead of Core Animation. Worse, they've recently allowed access to the video card but only for three models - what about all those other end users with ATI and Nvidia cards not supported by it? Flash does have problems but it would be fair to say that a large amount of those problems are due to Mac OS X and not Mac OS X.
Which bugs are preventing Flash to perform as well as the Windows version in a non-accelerated environment? I've tried the latest Gala release and while it is an improvement, it still doesn't match the performance of the video playing back in a Quicktime/VLC/MPlayer. (with or without the GPU).
Not sure how Safari using Quartz 2D has any effect on Flash's performance since it'd be up to Adobe to implement Core Animation for SWF in the browser. (which they have promised to do)
Core Animation itself is a compositor used for rendering and animation and wouldn't even affect video playback performance. Has the Windows version of Flash Player been using a Core Animation-like API for its better performance?
Which bugs are preventing Flash to perform as well as the Windows version in a non-accelerated environment? I've tried the latest Gala release and while it is an improvement, it still doesn't match the performance of the video playing back in a Quicktime/VLC/MPlayer. (with or without the GPU).
Not sure how Safari using Quartz 2D has any effect on Flash's performance since it'd be up to Adobe to implement Core Animation for SWF in the browser. (which they have promised to do)
Core Animation itself is a compositor used for rendering and animation and wouldn't even affect video playback performance. Has the Windows version of Flash Player been using a Core Animation-like API for its better performance?
I'm no lover of Flash, but I do need someone to point me to these examples of Flash bugs. I don't think it crashes here and I don't notice any performance problems (haven't since the old P-III days).
So if you can point me to the videos that will make it lag or whatnot let me know.
Which bugs are preventing Flash to perform as well as the Windows version in a non-accelerated environment? I've tried the latest Gala release and while it is an improvement, it still doesn't match the performance of the video playing back in a Quicktime/VLC/MPlayer. (with or without the GPU).
But as I noted, 10.0 was okish but 10.1 has introduced some major improvements by combining the desktop and mobile into one thus having to confront the issues once and for all.
Core Animation itself is a compositor used for rendering and animation and wouldn't even affect video playback performance. Has the Windows version of Flash Player been using a Core Animation-like API for its better performance?
The issue has been addressed already, the use of Core Animation according to him does impact on rendering video.
I've tried the latest Gala release...
Why is it only now that we are seeing features that better make use of hardware acceleration in Flash. They've been behind the ball in this regard for a very long time. Flash 10.1 may very well solve many peoples issues, but the fact remains it still hasn't even shipped yet. I've personally never had an issue with Flash myself and playback on my machines, let me say that, however I can also appreciate it that there may be some fact when Steve Jobs or other people refer to them as being lazy and what not.
They have picked their game up a bit recently but...10.1 as noted is on the right path and Adobe Reader has certainly improved in recent iterations.
Why is it only now that we are seeing features that better make use of hardware acceleration in Flash. They've been behind the ball in this regard for a very long time. Flash 10.1 may very well solve many peoples issues, but the fact remains it still hasn't even shipped yet. I've personally never had an issue with Flash myself and playback on my machines, let me say that, however I can also appreciate it that there may be some fact when Steve Jobs or other people refer to them as being lazy and what not.
They have picked their game up a bit recently but...10.1 as noted is on the right path and Adobe Reader has certainly improved in recent iterations.
The reason for the delay is the featured video acceleration framework on Windows that Adobe could use, and the fact that there was no framework on Mac OS X thus putting Adobe behind the eighth ball.
I also think it is hardly the fault of Adobe that people abuse Flash, just as I hardly think it is the fault of Microsoft that there are idiotic programmers who abuse the registry to the point that there is an anti-registry movement on many forums. Companies offer technology, it is up to the programmers out there to either use it wisely or abuse it. Is there really any need to have advertisements in Flash? really? come on - I hardly think it is Adobe's fault that there are idiots out there who can't use Flash in a way that doesn't irritate the crap out of web users.
The reason for the delay is the featured video acceleration framework on Windows that Adobe could use, and the fact that there was no framework on Mac OS X thus putting Adobe behind the eighth ball.
Is that Nexus One in the picture running SlideScreen? Because that's an awesome app.
As much as flash sucks, siding with Jobs on this one is just pure hypocrisy.
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I didn't realize how sexy the Nexus One is. Something to consider when purchasing a phone.
I wouldn't mind getting a free HTC Desire
Yeah, it's a good shot of the phone, makes it look really good. I'm still not sold on the design though.
Love my X10. Wish someone would root the ****** already though!
count me in.
oops! sorrry . I thought its yet another Neowin's giveaway.
DROID DOES?
whats wrong with that stance? you tink Apple hasn't baned anything other than the iPhone at their work places???
microsoft way sheesh! lol
I just found it so funny when Adobe's CEO called flash an open standard. This is just childish.
Apple is against Flash or other closed standards when they dont belong to them. I'm sure that if Flash belonged to Apple they'd be shoving it down every single iPhone and iPad owner's throats too.
I don't understand why some people here are saying flash sucks. I have no problems with it at all. And saying HTML5 is the way to go, well, maybe it is but at the moment flash, in my book, is the way to go.
I don't get it either. Flash has some bugs, yeah, nothing serious though. The problem is some flash developers (esp. those advitisers) writes lousy code. Now who said they can't write the same slow&****ty code for HTML5/JS ? by then i guess people will hate HTML5 and embrase HTML6.....
It's the people who use the technology that create problems, not the technology itself.
If flash causes your machine to crash, it's not Flash's fault. It's the fault of your OS for allowing a program in user space to bring the system down.
I should also point out that you're misquoting Microsoft here. H.264 is what they're supporting for the <video> tag in html5, but they are in no way dropping support for Flash (or any other ActiveX component, for that matter) in IE9. Please get it right.
Wow talk about complete display of immaturity.......Adobe is like a whiny little bitch always nagging the heck out of you and when you do something it doesn't like it bitches, complains and screams some more. Face it Adobe, your Flash business is threatened and I know you don't like it but you can kiss the hairiest part of my arse! When it comes to our security you clearly couldn't give a rat's behind or else it wouldn't take you 2 months to release a fix for a major security flaw. I am sorry but you don't get to try and protect your business here.....Give us something other than pure garbage and we'll respect you again.