All hope for Verizon iPhone now dead, hints CEO

Verizon's CEO Ivan Seidenberg confirmed yesterday that all rumours of the Verizon iPhone are not true, crushing the dreams of the iPhone being on a decent network within the United States.

The Verizon iPhone rumour has been surfacing for years now, with analyst predictions and inside confirmations that Apple is nearing the major announcement for the phone. However, all of those dreams are now washed away, as Seidenberg said in a conference that he hopes Apple will come around and allow Verizon to sell the iPhone.

Although Seidenberg didn't comment on the company's current network, it's pretty clear that there haven't been any positive talks with Apple that might possibly bring the iPhone to the network. Seidenberg did mention that Verizon is working on upgrading their network to 4G, and would be a step in the right direction for Apple to allow iPhone on the Verizon network.

"I think 4G will accelerate the process, and any other decisions Apple makes would be fine with us," Seidenberg said. "Hopefully, at some point Apple will get with the program."

Verizon plans on launching their LTE 4G service by the end of the year in 25-30 major cities and nationwide coverage by 2012.

So there you have it, all rumours, including the one about a CDMA iPhone, can be put to rest, at least for now.

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why do u want that iPoon on verizon? you already have better phones from HTC, the HTC Desire, Desire HD. just to name a few...

Isn't it possible that Verizon is just trying to protect sales through the holiday season? If they confirmed the iPhone was coming in, say, January, what sort of impact would that have on smartphone sales until then? Yeah, some people would buy an Android device and call it a day, but Verizon would rightly be worried about the number of people who would throw off their 4th quarter sales goals by waiting for the Next Big Thing.

We see this kind of behavior all the time.

Joshie said,
Isn't it possible that Verizon is just trying to protect sales through the holiday season? If they confirmed the iPhone was coming in, say, January, what sort of impact would that have on smartphone sales until then? Yeah, some people would buy an Android device and call it a day, but Verizon would rightly be worried about the number of people who would throw off their 4th quarter sales goals by waiting for the Next Big Thing.

We see this kind of behavior all the time.

This can't be more true. I, as I would consider, an educated consumer; I see all signs pointing to Q1 2011 as iPhone CDMA. I think this one will be both GSM and CDMA, so it may carry a bit more of a price tag. I'm holding out for it, I'm not sure if I want a Droid or an iPhone but I want one. I want choice.

I can't believe Verizon kept going with CDMA. There has been far better technology for a long time.

*waits for all the fools to rebut this based on ATT speeds and service only*

Nashy said,
I can't believe Verizon kept going with CDMA. There has been far better technology for a long time.

*waits for all the fools to rebut this based on ATT speeds and service only*

Well, I'm not really interested in getting into that argument, but both GSM and CDMA have their own positives and negatives... It's not as simple as one just being better than the other. It could be argued that because GSM is used by more of the world, and as a result phones on GSM carriers can more easily become "world phones", that GSM is better, but that's really it's biggest selling point.

Nashy said,
I can't believe Verizon kept going with CDMA. There has been far better technology for a long time.

Like EVDO? Yeah most CDMA phones and all the carriers support that.

How is it that Verizon is supposed to be the biggest and best carrier, but yet they don't, and won't have 4G until 2012? How does Sprint already have it? Come 2012 and Verizon releases 4G, Sprint is going to laugh and say been there and done that 2 years ago.

notta said,
How is it that Verizon is supposed to be the biggest and best carrier, but yet they don't, and won't have 4G until 2012? How does Sprint already have it? Come 2012 and Verizon releases 4G, Sprint is going to laugh and say been there and done that 2 years ago.

Sprint may have beat the other carriers to it, but it's all but guaranteed that the other carriers will do it better and more reliable. I've not used Sprint's 4G services, but in my time with Sprint, the reliability was horrendous. I would not expect this to improve.

M_Lyons10 said,

Sprint may have beat the other carriers to it, but it's all but guaranteed that the other carriers will do it better and more reliable. I've not used Sprint's 4G services, but in my time with Sprint, the reliability was horrendous. I would not expect this to improve.

It might depend on where you are and what you mean by reliability. I ultimately left at&t for Sprint a year ago because dropped calls were driving me completely out of my mind. They're nothing but a memory now, and the first question I ask if a call drops nowadays is "Are you on at&t?"

Admittedly I'm tired of CDMA's limitations, and no matter how fantastic the coverage may be, it doesn't make up for the frustration with not getting WP7 handhelds until the middle of next year.

I've been considering going back to at&t. The cost is essentially the same, and with all the traveling I like to do, I've been missing SIM cards.

No big loss. Verizon is a horrible network carrier. The only reason they run the "can you hear me now" campaign a few years back was:
1). They have locked down devices, they have to reflect the criticism somewhere else.
2). Their network coverage may be the biggest, but their reception is crap.

This in no way endorses ATT as being better than Verizon. All wireless carriers suck. Some are just worse than others. Verizon and ATT are pretty much at the bottom of the barrel

bluarash said,
No big loss. Verizon is a horrible network carrier. The only reason they run the "can you hear me now" campaign a few years back was:
1). They have locked down devices, they have to reflect the criticism somewhere else.
2). Their network coverage may be the biggest, but their reception is crap.

This in no way endorses ATT as being better than Verizon. All wireless carriers suck. Some are just worse than others. Verizon and ATT are pretty much at the bottom of the barrel

Having tried all of the major carriers in the US with the exception of T-Mobile, and having traveled around the country with devices from all of these respective networks, I can't even tell you how misinformed your statement is. Verizon (My current carrier) is WORLDS better than AT&T or Sprint in service area, reception, customer service (Which isn't saying much at all), etc. Aside from phone selection, which they could use some improvement with, I can't think of anywhere where Verizon is trailing these other carriers...

Guess it depends where you live, I have AT&T and am quite happy with them. Did a price comparison with Verizon and Verizon was way more expensive!

Sonic. said,
The iPhone is insignificant since we have Droid.

Droid is crap without a rooted device, so it's not really a droid anymore. I dont have an I phone, I dont really want one but my iPad is nice. WP7 is where it is and that's not at verizon,

At&t was once the BEST network there is, until they had changed "unlimited broadband" to army rations. That is simply fugaze', to any network that would follow suit with this backwardism I would apply the same adjective. Sprint however appears to be in a sound state of mind and body. I would gravitate toward them and what is it that they have now...4GS? Unlimited bandwidth, faster network....DROID! Ah thats as no brainer. Why would you pay twice as much for less, that is not very republican! Duh....start thinking!

onebadolepuddycat said,
At&t was once the BEST network there is, until they had changed "unlimited broadband" to army rations. That is simply fugaze', to any network that would follow suit with this backwardism I would apply the same adjective. Sprint however appears to be in a sound state of mind and body. I would gravitate toward them and what is it that they have now...4GS? Unlimited bandwidth, faster network....DROID! Ah thats as no brainer. Why would you pay twice as much for less, that is not very republican! Duh....start thinking!

That's odd... For those of us that have an unlimited option we still have it (unless we want tethering). To be quite honest my usage is low enough that I wouldn't have an issue switching but I saw unlimited options still in my list when I went to check out my options.

shinji257 said,

That's odd... For those of us that have an unlimited option we still have it (unless we want tethering). To be quite honest my usage is low enough that I wouldn't have an issue switching but I saw unlimited options still in my list when I went to check out my options.


If you have unlimited, you will keep it till its time to renew your contract / get a new contract.

All new subscribers, however, are limited to either 200mb ($15) or 2gb ($25).

/- Razorfold said,

If you have unlimited, you will keep it till its time to renew your contract / get a new contract.

All new subscribers, however, are limited to either 200mb ($15) or 2gb ($25).

Wrong, You keep it until you need tethering or you voluntarily switch your data plan. I have a pdf print of my upgrade options and I am not under contract (have not been for at least 9 months). Even then I didn't just see unlimited options. I was able to switch to enterprise unlimited options too. Those were still open to me if I wanted to. This was on the web form.

/- Razorfold said,

If you have unlimited, you will keep it till its time to renew your contract / get a new contract.

All new subscribers, however, are limited to either 200mb ($15) or 2gb ($25).

As shinji257 pointed out, that's not true. You can keep it as long as you already have it. You can no longer get it.

If you choose to downgrade, then there is no going back. If you want tethering, then you must downgrade.

I downgraded to 2 GB because it is discounted on premier plans (business/school discounts), but unlimited is not. So, it was either used ~200-300 MB per month and pay $30, or use the same amount and pay $25 - discount. I chose the suckier, but cheaper route.

well this is bad news for alot. at&t sucks, plain and simple. i guess verizon better get themselves that god awful wp7 now to stay in the game. "rolls eyes".

smooth3006 said,
well this is bad news for alot. at&t sucks, plain and simple. i guess verizon better get themselves that god awful wp7 now to stay in the game. "rolls eyes".

Your "rolls eyes" comment is a quite appropriate here.

smooth3006 said,
verizon better get themselves that god awful wp7 now to stay in the game. "rolls eyes".

WP7 is God awful? Really? Wow, you must of been one of those users who got an early model before the phone providers....

Seriously dude, the product hasnt been released yet so no telling if it sux or not.

techbeck said,

WP7 is God awful? Really? Wow, you must of been one of those users who got an early model before the phone providers....

Seriously dude, the product hasnt been released yet so no telling if it sux or not.

well there's that, and the fact that verizon wont have WP7 for a long while (or most likely never). Verizon phones have always sucked, and I was very let down to hear that WP7 isnt coming any time soon. Now they're planning to cut unlimited data, so really... why should i stay with em?

ZenVenT said,

well there's that, and the fact that verizon wont have WP7 for a long while (or most likely never). Verizon phones have always sucked, and I was very let down to hear that WP7 isnt coming any time soon. Now they're planning to cut unlimited data, so really... why should i stay with em?


First, Microsoft just said that WP7 wouldn't be available on Verizon by Christmas time. Second, Microsoft that WP7 will support CDMA by Q1 2011.

day2die said,

First, Microsoft just said that WP7 wouldn't be available on Verizon by Christmas time. Second, Microsoft that WP7 will support CDMA by Q1 2011.

Exactly. I'm glad someone around here can read... lol

Verizon's CEO Ivan Seidenberg confirmed yesterday that all rumours of the Verizon iPhone are not true, crushing the dreams of the iPhone being on a decent network within the United States.

Wow. Some biased reporting right there.

SoCalRox said,

Yet surprisingly accurate.

Bias, yes. Accurate, also a yes. Loved this: "..crushing the dreams of the iPhone being on a decent network within the United States."

SoCalRox said,
Yet surprisingly accurate.

Do we know this? The iPhone does a poor job at getting a good signal compared to other phones on AT&T. Since we haven't seen the iPhone on other networks (here in the USA), it could be the iPhone's fault, and not AT&T...

canbeli said,
Definitely not the worst carrier. Even if they are, it's still biased reporting.
If they were the worst, no, it's not "biased reporting". I would have thought that obvious.

thealexweb said,
Why does the USA phone market act so backwards? In the UK the iPhone is on every single network.

It wasn't always. It was just recently opened to all iirc. Also Verizon uses CDMA, Apple would have to make a CDMA specifc version instead of the GSM one it uses for everyone else. Probably not a big hassle, but why support CDMA for just one carrier?

thealexweb said,
Why does the USA phone market act so backwards? In the UK the iPhone is on every single network.

Well, in other countries, the networks pretty much all use the same type of network. In the USA most tend to love CDMA, AT&T is the only provider here in the USA that supports the 3G frequency used in the iPhone and TMobile's is different. It works for Voice and Edge network though.

In short, the iPhone is GSM, only AT&T and TMobile is GSM here and well, TMobile does not support the iPhone's 3G frequency.

thealexweb said,
Why does the USA phone market act so backwards? In the UK the iPhone is on every single network.

It's also on every network in Canada

Holoshed said,

Well, in other countries, the networks pretty much all use the same type of network. In the USA most tend to love CDMA, AT&T is the only provider here in the USA that supports the 3G frequency used in the iPhone and TMobile's is different. It works for Voice and Edge network though.

In short, the iPhone is GSM, only AT&T and TMobile is GSM here and well, TMobile does not support the iPhone's 3G frequency.

Verizon had chosen CDMA in an effort to increase the difficulty in using their handsets on different networks. A very shrewd tactic!

thealexweb said,
Why does the USA phone market act so backwards? In the UK the iPhone is on every single network.

CDMA, but there was also that exclusivity deal that AT&T inherited from Singular when they purchased them...

Blasius said,

It wasn't always. It was just recently opened to all iirc. Also Verizon uses CDMA, Apple would have to make a CDMA specifc version instead of the GSM one it uses for everyone else. Probably not a big hassle, but why support CDMA for just one carrier?

Exactly, Backwards!

bryonhowley said,
I see no problem with this give the fact that the IPhone is on the best network as it is.

For a moment, I thought you were serious.

omnicoder said,

Uhm... no it's on AT&T.

In my particular area AT&T happens to be among the better ones. Inside my work area someone needed to put in a cell repeater to get signal for Sprint while I continued to do just fine without it.

The "best" cell service for a given area is subjective at best.

Electric Jolt said,
at&t is fine for me. lol @ verizon fanboys wanting iPhone so badly lmao.

lol, riiight. Many of us "fanboys" just gave up hope and went ahead with a Droid... only to find it was better than the iPhone in many areas to begin with.

That's not to say Apple's done some great changes to iOS as of late (due mainly to the fact that Android's doing so well), and I wouldn't like an iPhone on Verizon. Unless it comes to Verizon though, it won't be on my radar. With all my family and friends on Verizon, it's just cheaper to stay on Verizon -- don't use many minutes due to V2V and have a cheaper bill with my Droid than I would on AT&T with an iPhone.

In a way, I hope Verizon DOESN'T get the iPhone though -- they've put a TON of advertising behind Android, and it's only looking more promising for the future, both in terms of Android development AND the amount of users. iPhone on Verizon would wipe out any current predictions about Android use... good for Apple, not as good for the Open Source Android community IMO.

Justin- said,
......................

Anyway, I'm not standing up saying I'm an iPhone fanboy, not an at&t fanboy either. I just find it pathetic that people really take time out to bitch about the dumbest ****. Ok, it's on at&t, get over it. If you don't want it on Verizon, then good for you, if you want the iPhone then switch. It's as simple as that. at&t service isn't as ****ty as people say it is, works perfectly fine for me.

Justin- said,
lol, riiight. Many of us "fanboys" just gave up hope and went ahead with a Droid... only to find it was better than the iPhone in many areas to begin with.

Exactly. Was holding out, but went ahead and purchased a Droid X. Haven't looked back since. I've got a great device, that does more in certain areas than the iPhone, without all Apple's restrictions, on a better network. Win-Win.

Electric Jolt said,

Anyway, I'm not standing up saying I'm an iPhone fanboy, not an at&t fanboy either. I just find it pathetic that people really take time out to bitch about the dumbest ****. Ok, it's on at&t, get over it. If you don't want it on Verizon, then good for you, if you want the iPhone then switch. It's as simple as that. at&t service isn't as ****ty as people say it is, works perfectly fine for me.

Then you must not be in a major metropolitan area. I live in Chicago and guess what - AT&T sucks. I have a client that just switched 15 - 20 users over to iPhones on AT&T and guess what? Every single one of them bitches about dropped calls now. They all love the phone and hate the service. Also I suppose all those reports and stories on the web and in print about crappy AT&T service are just all made up? You fail

Chrono951 said,

Exactly. Was holding out, but went ahead and purchased a Droid X. Haven't looked back since. I've got a great device, that does more in certain areas than the iPhone, without all Apple's restrictions, on a better network. Win-Win.

There is no better network when used in such a general term. You should be required to give your longitude and latitude before saying that. I don't get why people are still throwing around that term. There are areas in the US where Verizon has overall "better" service in a city than AT&T but where someone works and lives, they get "better" service with AT&T (and vice versa). Which carrier should they choose? Where I live, I'd never choose Sprint or T-Mobile while AT&T and Verizon equally have excellent service.