All major Canadian ISPs throttling P2P

It seems as if throttling P2P is now the thing to do if you're a major ISP. We first broke wind that Comcast was doing it and that the Australia was putting the lock down on P2P and it now seems Canada is following suite.

After allegations arose of P2P throttling "Bell, Cogeco, Rogers and Eastlink all admit to slowing down P2P traffic, arguing that it negatively affects network performance." All of the ISP's claim the usual argument that P2P degrades network performance.

Like other ISP's, the Canadian ISP's forget that there is legitimate use in P2P technology and that very popular games like WOW use it to help distribute patches and game updates.

If you live in Canada and have been experiencing the throttling we would like to know! Leave us a comment or submit your story to the news desk.

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Sympatico is throttling hard. I ran 5 torrents, all linux distros, the total download speed of all the torrents was 60kb/s so I have each torrent downloading at 12kb/s and if I would stop one the bandwidth would spread along the on going torrents, this sucks, and sucks bad. Is there nothing that we the consumer can do to stop this?

This isn't news. Canadian ISP's such as Rogers have been throttling for well over a year, some even 2 years. Why is this being treated as if it's something new? I'm sorry but anyone who follows the news in regards to Canadian ISP's knows this has been going on for years. Bell only recently started throttling.

It seems as if throttling P2P is now the thing to do if you're a major ISP. We first broke wind that Comcast was doing it and that the Australia was putting the lock down on P2P and it now seems Canada is following suite.

Australia isn't affected by P2P throttling. Maybe some ISPs do this, but certainly not all.

I live in Saskatchewan, and my ISP (SaskTel) doesn't bandwidth throttle or cap.
I have a 10Mbit DSL (10mbit down 1mbit up), and I've heard rumors that we're going to get faster in '09.

I download on average 122GB / week.
I feel for the rest of you.

Shaw throttles upload bandwidth, downloading is not throttled, but is affected when uploading is down to a crawl.

The title of throttling pirates is not accurate. It doesn't make a difference if you're downloading a torrent of a linux distro or a pirated film you're throttled either way.

And besides why 6 months later that Nettrack has to cover this issue? Ran out of ideas?

Not the story posted by Brad but the issue of major ISPs throttling is 6 months old. Bell has been throttling all 3rd party ISPs and their own since July.

My issue with this is how it affects legitimate services such as Skype, which also rely on P2P technology.

Also, any word if the new uTorrent betas, with their new method of disguising the data, can get around this?

My internet connection is lost (says "local only") whenever I start a P2P program ...
I rent a room in a townhouse and I don't get to access the router so I'm not sure if the problem is caused by this throttling. Has anyone experienced that kind of problem?
Life without P2P is tough ...

i dont think acanac has any throttling for bittorent.. it seems to be working just fine. but however it may have some soon because the real service provider is bell...

Iv had my rogers extreme service now for a long time now and after searching the web for countless days i found something that worked, for me anyway. When uTorrent 1.8 first hit beta they stated that it had some new technology built into it which greatly helps with throttling. Im not sure on the exact technical description on it but whatever it is, i tried it and has worked ever since. Im currently using uTorrent 1.8.1 and port 1720 with encryption enabled and allow incoming legacy connections and i can manage to get my full speed up and down with this setup, so it might be something to try.

edit: I believe location has a big part into throttling as well and if you live in a high traffic area. Personally i live in a small town in NB so throttling may not be in effect as much as if you live in a big city like Toronto.

Shaw throttles torrents but upstream only afaik.. I'm no expert, but I think I remember it being stated that they use "ellacoya" gear to do this?

I don't monitor my upstream much, I just set an ignore rule for a share ratio of 1.5 and leave it till it reaches that.. but I do know that as far as download speeds with torrents my results vary (obviously) but some of 'the latest and greatest' torrents I've consistently gotten 600K +

Also, my account is on extreme and my easynews downloads are regularly over 1MB/s from there which makes me not only happy but at times borderline horny (maybe it's the content I'm downloading at the time?) :)

ps - I'm in BC (Okanagan) as a reference

Yup, Bell Sympatico throttles. Torrents run at 30K max... I can't even tell anymore when they get un-throttled. Apparently they get un-throttled from 2 am 'till about 7 or 8.

I feel your pain. Aliant however (as far as I am aware) does not throttle which is odd as they are a subsidiary of Bell.

The sad thing is I had a huge customer service issue with them that lead to me canceling my service as such I am stuck with the only other high-speed provider in NB which is Rogers

In Sarnia, Ontario with Bell. P2P gets throttled every day except Saturday for some reason. I get max 30K when throttled and 500K when not. It sucks.

Ya.. BT was getting slow with Bell.. Getting around 20-50KB/s. But I have unlimited bandwidth which I guess is okay with throttling happening. Living in Toronto.

Try:
Use port 1723.
Encryption enabled/forced.

I don't notice any of this with Eastlink.
The only slowdowns that I had with Aliant / Bell was due to their garbage bellnexxia servers in the Montreal area.

with Rogers and ya they throttle, that's why I use Giganews, also they bumped the price from 54.99 for 10Mbps to 59.99 for the same speed, ******* they should at least give us better speed, 10Mbps is slow compared to what other people have.

Chosen One said,
with Rogers and ya they throttle, that's why I use Giganews, also they bumped the price from 54.99 for 10Mbps to 59.99 for the same speed, ******* they should at least give us better speed, 10Mbps is slow compared to what other people have.

99 bucks will get you Rogers "Extreme Plus" service, at 18mbps. But with the same cap.

Regardless of your service, I think, you'll be charged extra for each gig over your cap, but only until you reach $20. So basically for $20 extra there is no cap.

i hate it so much. Im with Rogers and i notice the speed decrease. I just want to be able to download and not have some 60GB download/upload limit for the month

Isn't there a new technology coming out that makes your transfers totally anonymous for p2p type transfers?

Never had a problem with shaw or telus. Sometimes it's hard to tell if they're throttling or not - especially if it's fluctuating based on number of seeds/peers when using torrents, and whether there is a cap on the upload speed on the other end when it comes to p2p.

I've been seen this slowdown for mounths now. I live in Toronto and the slowdown happen during high usage periods. I noteced a drop about 3 months ago when my P2P traffic dropped to 29Kbs. I have a 300Kbs connection, it seems they are only allowing 10% of my bandwidth for 2P2.
I'm getting around it by creating a VPN connection between two computers. This seem to uncap my limit.

So, if I am the only person in the area with internet provided by "Provider A" then surely they can't use the "degrading the network" as an excuse?

When I had to pick between Bell and Rogers I went with Bell. Rogers throttles ALL encrypted traffic ALL the time and since I use an SSH tunnel to browse the internet from work that was unacceptable. With Bell, if I set my torrents before bed they're always finished by the time I get up since they stop being throttled at 2am

Bell (and BCE) is a total mess. Droves of employees have left for Rogers, and more will be leaving. A good friend of mine left a couple of months ago. He was in a middle-management position.

I've switched to a Bell business account in '06 because Sympatico told me I was a bandwidth hog, and they haven't bothered me since.

Mind you, what they failed to explain to me is why it would "help alleviate the bandwidth issues my neighbors are experiencing because of people like me" (which they could never substantiate) by having me use the same bandwidth through a business account instead of a residential one...considering that the data all comes to my house from the same pipe...

I get pritty good speeds with Shaw but miles away from the speed they advertise, I too don't think its just torrents.

i have been getting 800 kilobytes/second a few times lately downloading torrents... my average is around 200-300. this is on cogeco.

I've been a customer of Videotron's cable internet since 1998 and switched 2 months ago because I couldn't live with 100GB a month anymore... But I do agree Videotron's internet service quality exceeds by far all the other ISPs... I switched to Teksavvy and learnt afterwards that Bell was throttling P2P and that I was now affected by this problem.

Throttling only occurs from 4pm to 2am though, but it is still a PITA. There are a few workaround solutions, like installing the latest uTorrent and enabling uTP connections (it does provide a little extra speed on Bell's network (I've reached speeds of over 100k/sec globally during the throttling period), this will improve as more and more clients enable this setting.) And also you can fool the throttling box (Sandvine) by enabling MLPPP which adds overhead to your ip packets and goes right through the throttling policy unnoticed.

I am presently working with a friend on a modified version of OpenWRT to have MLPPP support enabled in linksys routers.

I have a friend that works for a Canadian ISP (Shaw) and i can assure you that not all throttle, the only time that Shaw throttles is when customers area is saturated with traffic from all the people that file share. untill the area is saturated (bogged down) there is no throttling.

here is a little test if you have shaw w/ powerboost, go do a speed test, if your get higher speeds then 5mbps or 10mbps then there will be no throttling.

yeah rogers has been doing it forever, even worse they have a cap of 60gigs a month.

anyone know of unlimited usage ISP in Ontario?

idunno said,
yeah rogers has been doing it forever, even worse they have a cap of 60gigs a month.

anyone know of unlimited usage ISP in Ontario?


teksavvy DSL, 5Mbps service. $29/month gets you 200gig bandwidth, $39/month gets you unlimited. great company.. theyre a 3rd party reseller of DSL, and have been themselves getting throttled by bell at certain times of the day too

idunno said,
yeah rogers has been doing it forever, even worse they have a cap of 60gigs a month.

anyone know of unlimited usage ISP in Ontario?

You think 60 is bad? When Bell first put caps on their service it was 5 GB up AND down combined.

That's when I gave Bell the heave-ho. Rogers was and is faster, and their top level service (possibly the second top one as well) raise that 60GB to 90GB.

Not that there aren't ways around the throttling anyhoo.

profets said,
$39/month gets you unlimited. great company.. theyre a 3rd party reseller of DSL, and have been themselves getting throttled by bell at certain times of the day too


I'm with TekSavvy using their 200GB Premium service due to lower latency (xbox live). When I was signing up with them, I asked how much you could really download with their Unlimited service without having to worry about getting an email from them. She said "If you download 500-600 GBs a month... we're happy." ;)

As for the throttling.. I'm in a new area. I did experience throttling with TekSavvy when Bell first implemented this with their resellers but am no longer affected (nothing I'm doing).

Canadian ISP's forget that there is legitimate use in P2P technology

Oh please. Everyone knows that a vast majority of P2P traffic is illegal so if you're being throttled don't expect much sympathy.

Canadians forget (or mis-understand) that sharing copyrighted materials is illegal here too. But because ISPs are not (yet) required by law to hand over personally identifiable information to the authorities, people here think it's legal.

C_Guy said,
Canadian ISP's forget that there is legitimate use in P2P technology

Oh please. Everyone knows that a vast majority of P2P traffic is illegal so if you're being throttled don't expect much sympathy.

Canadians forget (or mis-understand) that sharing copyrighted materials is illegal here too. But because ISPs are not (yet) required by law to hand over personally identifiable information to the authorities, people here think it's legal.

That doesn't diminish the fact that they are indeed affecting legitimate usage of that technology. Anyway, the fact that they are throttling P2P traffic has nothing to do with its legal or illegal usage. It's because they built and sold access to a network which they can not support.

ISPs should provide the service they advertise. There ARE legitimate uses for the technology regardless of whether the majority of usage is related to piracy. If they are concerned about unfair usage then they should impose bandwidth restrictions that affect everyone equally. What next, restricting people that use YouTube because it uses a lot of videos and most of them breach copyright? This is a slippery slope and should be oppose vigorously.

C_Guy said,
Oh please. Everyone knows that a vast majority of P2P traffic is illegal so if you're being throttled don't expect much sympathy.

Canadians forget (or mis-understand) that sharing copyrighted materials is illegal here too. But because ISPs are not (yet) required by law to hand over personally identifiable information to the authorities, people here think it's legal.

And a lot of people used VCRs to record stuff on TV, which is, technically, copyright infringement. However, the Supreme Court ruled that it was OK.

Oh please. Everyone knows that a vast majority of P2P traffic is illegal so if you're being throttled don't expect much sympathy.

WoW is among the most popular games on the PC there is, and they heavily use P2P for patch distribution.

I suspect more companies would too if they just didn't make such a big deal about it... It's an awesome way to cheaply distribute the load from servers.

Jugalator said,
WoW is among the most popular games on the PC there is, and they heavily use P2P for patch distribution.

I suspect more companies would too if they just didn't make such a big deal about it... It's an awesome way to cheaply distribute the load from servers.


The problem is crap like this scares off developers from using torrents to distribute their content because of its 'unstable' speed.

Luckily with Telus they are not throttling, nor are they keeping track of download limits at the moment, atleast here in BC. Im enjoying it while it lasts.

Torrents bah,

Also FTP, SSH, anything with a damn SSL or TLS added to the end of the packets is effected.

VNC and RDP are quite slow after 6 pm to boot.

Malbojia said,
Torrents bah,

Also FTP, SSH, anything with a damn SSL or TLS added to the end of the packets is effected.

VNC and RDP are quite slow after 6 pm to boot.


This is what is really screwed up. When their throttling effects other protocols because they are lazy as **** and don't want to even do it properly.

that is so true! i was hosting a server at windsor for my bro in BC, direct download and we can only get 70kps out of my ~700kps upload....

bit torrent is bad too, maxed out at 30k....>

i just tested out my speed using an ubuntu torrent, as those are seeded heavily..and got over 3megs/second in shaw Winnipeg

Also Vodafone portugal doesn't too :-)

The major one is Netcabo, it was my ISP before i got Vodafone atm. Damn... some change not only in P2P speed but in general internet also.

time for new file sharing technology, boycotting of these ISP's who fail to upgrade their network and carry on per usual

ive found a couple articles suggesting shaw throttles there torrent traffic.

im on shaw as well, and i extremely rarely get anywhere close to what we're supposed to be getting.

Shaw's speeds seem to be very regional. I have a friend who publishes torrents and uploads at 80KB/s pretty much 24/7 on Shaw in Winnipeg, but Shaw's recently started bandwidth capping (60GB/month or 100GB/month for the reasonable plans). It'll be interesting to see what happens when he blows past the cap next month (he received a warning this month already, but he ponied up for the 100GB pack). I believe that capping is better than throttling to pathetic speeds (with seemingly no recourse once you've triggered the throttling) - why deny your customers what's desired if they're willing to pay for it?

That said, I'm on MTS DSL which as of yet seems to neither throttle nor cap bandwidth (at least, they don't advertise it if they do). I believe my record was ~75GB in a single month, and never heard a peep.

TCLN Ryster said,
I doubt they would dare doing that in the USA again now, especiall as Obama has net neutrality in his policy.

Yeah your lucky, the FCC went after Comcast. Here the CRTC is run by former telco employees, who are probably still on their payroll. I don't expect much from those throttling hearings.

I've suspected Bell was throttling me for at least a year now. I use my connection more for game and software updates but I also like to be able to do other legit activities as well but the throttling has made it difficult. I can also confirm the speeds Xero gets and the time frame. My speeds can go anywhere from 30 to 60kb/s usually between 8pm until 2 or 3 am.

You first broke wind about it..... ?

Shaw throttles too. They deny it, but on any torrent download (even legitimate ones), you can clearly see the usual pattern (normal torrent speeds for the first couple of minutes, and then a fast dive to 30k).

It's really easy to get around on Shaw though. Just encrypting the torrent usually solves the problem.

No, broke wind in Canada means exactly the same thing it does in the US.

dannysmurf said,
It's really easy to get around on Shaw though. Just encrypting the torrent usually solves the problem.

No, broke wind in Canada means exactly the same thing it does in the US.


Anyone know how to do this on a mac? I know bitcomet has an option on windows. Recently my torrent speeds averaged 800kbps now it won't even reach 10kbps

Yea Bell does it, for awhile now, at least 4 months since I started noticing. Speeds drop to below 50kb from 5PM to 2AM. There are ways around it however

Xero said,
Yea Bell does it, for awhile now, at least 4 months since I started noticing. Speeds drop to below 50kb from 5PM to 2AM. There are ways around it however :ninja:

PMed lol

Go Videotron ! I'm a proud Videotron customer... even if a year or 2 ago they decided to limit the monthly bandwidth to 100GB (combined UL+DL) instead of unlimited.

At least they don't throttle P2P.

when I lived in Quebec I was going to sign up for their service but they changed from unlimited to 100GB a week before I wanted the service

So I ended up going for something else (which was unthrottled and uncapped) but they ended up being throttled by Bell in the end but it was still unlimited on the bandwidth....

There is only 2 ISPs that don't throttle: Videotron and Telus. But it's not available everywhere in Canada (BC, Alb and some parts of QC). A throttling box cost less that install new fiber. What do you think they will do? Spend less and rob their clients.

But depending where you are in Canada doesn't Telus use Bell's network and Videotron use Shaw's network?

If i remember right that was the whole reason this was originally brought to the courts (almost a year ago) was because many networks lease from Bell and shaw and Bell wanted to throttle and shaw was on the fence about throttling.

Bmag said,
But depending where you are in Canada doesn't Telus use Bell's network and Videotron use Shaw's network?

If i remember right that was the whole reason this was originally brought to the courts (almost a year ago) was because many networks lease from Bell and shaw and Bell wanted to throttle and shaw was on the fence about throttling.


Dunno about Bell and Telus, but Videotron not affiliated with Shaw in anyway.. I am a happy Videotron subscriber, and no, we're not throttled.

Exactly. Videotron doesn't throttle at all. At least, not at the moment. Personally, I do not care as I do not download from this protocol. Anyway, let's face it, 99% of the content downloaded by this protocol is illegal stuff. Yeah I know Linux distros can be downloaded using p2p but I pretty sure ppl can find a .edu ftp somewhere near them and download from them