Another alternative to replacing the Start button in Windows 8

Earlier today, we reported that Stardock is planning to release a free app for the Windows 8 Consumer Preview that would allow desktop users to launch a more traditional Windows Start menu. The app is scheduled to be released later this week. But if you absolutely, positively cannot wait for the app to be released, there is perhaps a way to create an approximation of the Start menu with no need for a third party app.

The method is described by Computerworld.com and it's actually pretty simple. In the desktop version of Windows 8, you launch Windows Explorer and then click the View tab on the toolbar. After that you then check off the "Hidden items" box which should reveal a number of hidden files and folders.

After that is done, you right click the taskbar and select Toolbars. You then select the New Toolbar menu item which brings up a new screen. Then you select Program Data, then Microsoft, then Windows and finally Start Menu. That last action will create a Start Menu toolbar which should appear on the far right of the taskbar. You can move the menu if you want by right clicking the taskbar and then unchecking the Lock the Taskbar selection. The final result should look like the screenshot above this post.

Image via Computerworld

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This is just Stupid... The Start menu is an app people!!! Why do you test a new OS if you want it to look and act the same as an older OS? Why upgrade then? As a developer (I consider myself a power user) I was able to add Outlook, Word and Visual Studio (me most frequently used apps) to the start menu, which is very straightforward: (a) Just type the words of the app you want to launch.. (b) right click the icon and select Pin to Start menu.. That's it.. No more stinkin' explorer needed just to launch a program!!!!

aboi said,
or you can run you mouse to the lower left corner and right click.

Love that nifty shortcut, all the powertools you need, in one right click.
I think the order needs some work though.

Seriously, people didn't realize this was possible? Heck on Windows XP people were docking folders as toolbars that opened like this.

I would have posted this a s 'tip' but assumed that even the 10year olds running around understood this...


Wow...

thenetavenger said,
Seriously, people didn't realize this was possible? Heck on Windows XP people were docking folders as toolbars that opened like this.

I would have posted this a s 'tip' but assumed that even the 10year olds running around understood this...


Wow...

100% agree with this. I'm pretty sure it was in 98 also.

zeroomegazx said,
Windows 7:
OH LOOK you can do all this aero snap stuff MULTI-TASKING +10

Windows 8:
You want Multitasking Metro? LOLOLOLOLOL


You can still multitask obviously you've never tried it...

zeroomegazx said,
Windows 7:
OH LOOK you can do all this aero snap stuff MULTI-TASKING +10

Windows 8:
You want Multitasking Metro? LOLOLOLOLOL

You CAN also snap metro apps

Bertch said,

You can still multitask obviously you've never tried it...

No you can't. Can you open 4 Metro Apps together in one screen so you can see content of each. Nope you can't!

This is so stupid. Are users that unbelievably simple-minded that they can't grasp the simplicity of MOVING THE MOUSE TO THE LOWER LEFT OF THE SCREEN? It's what they did for years. This may come as a shock, but THERE ACTUALLY NEVER WAS A REAL BUTTON. It's an X-Y location. Good grief, this just amazes me. I'll bet y'all still use training wheels on your bikes, too.

Simpletons.

ScubaDog said,
This is so stupid. Are users that unbelievably simple-minded that they can't grasp the simplicity of MOVING THE MOUSE TO THE LOWER LEFT OF THE SCREEN? It's what they did for years. This may come as a shock, but THERE ACTUALLY NEVER WAS A REAL BUTTON. It's an X-Y location. Good grief, this just amazes me. I'll bet y'all still use training wheels on your bikes, too.

Simpletons.

It is about having Start Menu within a Desktop. Microsoft thinks that Desktopp is just another app you launch from Metro Start Menu where the rest of world thinks that Start Menu should be and is part of Desktop since Desktop is main interface.

techguy77 said,
It is about having Start Menu within a Desktop. Microsoft thinks that Desktopp is just another app you launch from Metro Start Menu where the rest of world thinks that Start Menu should be and is part of Desktop since Desktop is main interface.
It's semantics. Just because the Start Screen appears when logging in doesn't mean that desktop has changed its role; it still does what it did before and more. The difference is that the Start Menu has been replaced with a Start Screen, designed for use with high resolution displays and touch interfaces.

Extra functionality has been added around it but the traditional desktop works just the same as before and yes, you still spend most of your time on it (on the desktop at least).

they are right my mouse can't click apps from the start screen and it, looking good and having better search capabilities doesn't help either. Don't get me started with this tiles giving me notifications and updating themselves. I especially hate them remembering where I left off the last time. Whenever I try to click to open an app it doesn't open cause this whole thing was made for touch. The start screen taking the whole screen is a mess now I cant open the start menu and type a word document or watch a movie at the same time. I also despise the groping of apps to help me get to my applications faster - this type of innovation should only be reserved for tablets and what's with the new start screen giving more search results? don't they know that I am a power user and how I use my pc w/out a start button? How do I start.

Seriously you guys are pathetic. Win8 takes a big one on win 7 and am never going back, never again. All my PCs run win8.

neowin, you should implement something to limit the same people spamming the comments with their constant idiocy. every new topic about windows 8 has these same over zealous android fanboys cluttering real discussions with the same crap over and over again. we get it,you don't like it,buzz off nobody cares. every story has practically the exact same comments section.

i think the metro screen it best solution 1 click will get you to all apps available on your pc and you can organize all the apps in any way you want
win+f to find any app / data / music / video anything you want and or just move your mouse to the right and click on find

Why is everyone complaining? We don't need a start menu and a superbar. Pin all your favourite programs to the superbar.. if you have lots of programs, make a folder full of shortcuts and pin that instead. I guarantee you can get to the program in the same amount of or less time than before.

Microsoft is simply removing duplicate functionality and using the start button for a different feature. It makes perfect sense, think about it.

Hardcore Til I Die said,
Why is everyone complaining? We don't need a start menu and a superbar. Pin all your favourite programs to the superbar.. if you have lots of programs, make a folder full of shortcuts and pin that instead. I guarantee you can get to the program in the same amount of or less time than before.

Microsoft is simply removing duplicate functionality and using the start button for a different feature. It makes perfect sense, think about it.

They are not removing duplicate functionality but creating duplicate functionality.

IE10 for Metro and Desktop
Mail for Metro and Desktop
Messenger for Metro and Desktop
WMP vs Media in Metro vs Media Center
Metro Start Menu vs Desktop interface itself

Bottom line...they have now idea what are they doing.

It is like there are two organization within Microsoft who are trying to apply their own ideas into same OS. Rather rubbish.

techguy77 said,

They are not removing duplicate functionality but creating duplicate functionality.

IE10 for Metro and Desktop
Mail for Metro and Desktop
Messenger for Metro and Desktop
WMP vs Media in Metro vs Media Center
Metro Start Menu vs Desktop interface itself

Bottom line...they have now idea what are they doing.

It is like there are two organization within Microsoft who are trying to apply their own ideas into same OS. Rather rubbish.

That's not duplicating functionality; that's creating a different style of apps better suited for tablets or touchscreen devices.

What they're doing makes perfect sense. They're simply creating a tablet OS and integrating it with their main desktop OS. What's the point in having multiple OSes on the go?

Hardcore Til I Die said,

That's not duplicating functionality; that's creating a different style of apps better suited for tablets or touchscreen devices.

What they're doing makes perfect sense. They're simply creating a tablet OS and integrating it with their main desktop OS. What's the point in having multiple OSes on the go?

It is called duplication and everything is wrong with it. Let me ask you this. Is there going to be Desktop on your Windows Phone. No, it won't. Why bring Metro to Desktop for similar reason?

techguy77 said,

It is called duplication and everything is wrong with it. Let me ask you this. Is there going to be Desktop on your Windows Phone. No, it won't. Why bring Metro to Desktop for similar reason?

Because a desktop os wouldn't work on a windows phone, there's no reason metro can't work on a desktop.

Start menu in Windows 8 - Just start typing on the Metro screen.

On the desktop, press Winkey and start typing, you'll be amazed to see that the start menu is actually still there, only now it's called the start screen!

Why are so many people saying "It's not the Windows 7 menu"?

I can't tell if that is plain ignorance or if Windows 7 is their first operating system (new blood).

That 'Windows 7 menu' started with Windows XP and continued through to Vista and then 7. The search feature was added with Vista. The only major difference (to me, aside from search) with the start menu functionality between this time is that the classic start menu, the one used since Windows 95 and included in every release since, was removed starting with Windows 7.

I'm glad companies are continuing to show Microsoft that their changes aren't welcome globally (Seven Classic Start, now W8 apps). It's the only word of reason that still exists for people who prefer things that are needlessly removed. Shame that they don't listen.

I still use Vista because of pointless UI changes in 7. I'm not even going to beta test 8.

The only time I'll use a new version of Windows is when Microsoft decides it's going to get exclusivity on some technology, like what happened with DirectX 10.

Also, for people complaining about other people complaining and saying "oh type ____ to launch stuff"; the 'new' start menu never let you use the keyboard to navigate it because it always went into the search bar. The classic start menu let you use only the keyboard to quickly do things. Windows key, P, A, P takes me the same amount of time to hit Windows Key, type pa, hit enter. Oh and those program names get even longer once you have software starting with the same letters on your system. Oh and, the 'new' start menu needs indexing to work fast (if not properly) when searching for those names (sans SSD).

Once you learn something, memorize the shortcuts and use it for years, it's not easy to learn something else which is potentially more cumbersome and slower (less efficient), just because the company that created the software you use decided "Oh hey how about we do this for the new version and screw the people still using things they've used for the last 15 years".

There's a phrase I like, it reads "Newer is not always better.".

Actually this little tip (from computerworld or not ) or suggestion was mentioned\discovered by a forum poster here on neowin days ago, buried in one of the win8 beta threads.

I remember all the complainers bashing Vista's search bar in the Start menu.

"OMG, what is this useless search doing here? I can launch things faster because I organize everything into folders."

And everything improved once people realized that they could hit the Start key, type in "wo" and hit Enter to launch Word...

Relativity_17 said,

And everything improved once people realized that they could hit the Start key, type in "wo" and hit Enter to launch Word...

Maybe so, but I have Word and Excel on my Start Menu now pinned since it has a jumplist (using the search Function in Windows 7 doesn't have that, just the shortcut) and launch exactly the document or spreadsheet I want. Instead of quickly opening Word, then having the go to the menu in Word or Excel and click the document I want to open. The Start Screen has no such jumplist functionality. So now they have to sit on my taskbar. To me, the jumplist usability on the Start Menu is excellent, but it's gone from Windows 8's Start Screen because it's designed for a phone!

Relativity_17 said,

And everything improved once people realized that they could hit the Start key, type in "wo" and hit Enter to launch Word...

No, no it didn't. It might for YOU, but 99% of home/consumer and office/business users don't turn to a keyboard driven search to launch a program. They hunt for the icon or leave it on their desktop to make it easy.

In fact, I only use the keyboard search for an application when MS has buried it someplace new/stupid "just because". 8P

Relativity_17 said,
I remember all the complainers bashing Vista's search bar in the Start menu.

"OMG, what is this useless search doing here? I can launch things faster because I organize everything into folders."

And everything improved once people realized that they could hit the Start key, type in "wo" and hit Enter to launch Word...

Great example... You know, if they added search then removed everything else from the start menu and didn't allow you to change it. Other than that, great example.

I fail to realise how pressing winkey, typing "wo", selecting Word out of a list of programs (World of Warcarft, Word, World in Conflict, ...) then pressing enter to start word a better way that pressing winkey and clicking on Word icon ...

I have a mouse with a high dpi (Mamba) and i'm very good at pointing thing without failing. Believe me winkey + clicking on an icon works very well for me.

I don't remember the search feature of Vista to be controversed like the removal of the start menu.

Why not give uers the option to have the start menu or to not have it ? At the price i'm paying Windows (my version of Windows 7 is a boxed legit one i bought with my hard earned money) i would like to have the option to use it the way i want.

I use the search option to open programs i almost never use. But i like the jumplist feature of the start menu.

devHead said,

Maybe so, but I have Word and Excel on my Start Menu now pinned since it has a jumplist (using the search Function in Windows 7 doesn't have that, just the shortcut) and launch exactly the document or spreadsheet I want. Instead of quickly opening Word, then having the go to the menu in Word or Excel and click the document I want to open. The Start Screen has no such jumplist functionality. So now they have to sit on my taskbar. To me, the jumplist usability on the Start Menu is excellent, but it's gone from Windows 8's Start Screen because it's designed for a phone!

So pin it to the super bar like I do at work on Win 7 and at home on Win 8 then you don't have to open start just right click and you have your jump list...

Bertch said,
So pin it to the super bar like I do at work on Win 7 and at home on Win 8 then you don't have to open start just right click and you have your jump list...
Exactly. Microsoft's user data showed that only a tiny minority of people used the jumplist functionality from the Start Menu; you cannot fault Microsoft for focusing on features that benefit the majority of users. Personally I thought that jumplists on the Start Menu were a waste of time, though I do find Superbar jumplists to be relatively useful (but not essential). Their data also showed that Start Menu usage had considerably decreased since the introduction of the Superbar in Win7, with over 40% of users have no pinned programs on the Start Menu and a further 45% with 3 or less apps pinned.

Microsoft has responded to user trends and focused on improving the ease of launching applications. Now users can easily arrange the Start screen with dozens of apps, view dynamic information at a glance and more quickly get to the information and programs they want.

I wanna comment on the looks of it, but I'm not disrespectful enough to bash other's work. Props for making something for the backward ass folks who wish to avoid change.

dead.cell said,
I wanna comment on the looks of it, but I'm not disrespectful enough to bash other's work. Props for making something for the backward ass folks who wish to avoid change.

This is no ones work, you can do this with any folder it's been a part of windows for a while. It is useful in some situations, this is not one of them in my opinion.

Bertch said,

This is no ones work, you can do this with any folder it's been a part of windows for a while. It is useful in some situations, this is not one of them in my opinion.

True enough. I thought it was just a folder thrown together right quick, then someone claimed it was "Stardock's" doing, and I trusted them without reading it for myself.

Stardock, you suck.
It looks ugly, is hard to reach and it's the classic menu. Not the Windows 7 Start menu.

We like flinging mouse in to corner or pressing Windows key. Then type some letters and see all our documents or click on our favourites.

tom5 said,

This is ridiculous we have to use 3rd party apps for the basic OS functionality.

No, it doesn't add any functionality at all. It subtracts functionality.

What's more ridiculous is that we have to make third party applications to keep the same stupid people who also kept using XP for 10 years happy.

Just because something is new doesn't mean it is automatically an improvement over what came before. You should approach with an open and neutral mindset so as to best be able to judge what you are presented with.

That said, while I haven't used Metro yet, press coverage has already biased me against it. Once I do take the time to futz with it I hope to be able to put aside my preconceptions and judge it open-mindedly. I must admit I am a person who has to remind himself of the advice I gave above, even though I will soon be 45, and tend to look upon new tech with a reflexive positive bias. However, I have never liked the fundamental change made to the Start Menu that occurred in XP and continued to be enhanced through Windows 7.

I'll pass on this hack. It doesn't bring back the search from 7, and more importantly, if I'm going to use cascading menus again I may as well use the Start Screen.

xiphi said,
I'll pass on this hack. It doesn't bring back the search from 7, and more importantly, if I'm going to use cascading menus again I may as well use the Start Screen.

Its not a hack - you can enable it right from within Windows without the need of tweaking anything major or installing any 3rd party apps.

este said,

Its not a hack - you can enable it right from within Windows without the need of tweaking anything major or installing any 3rd party apps.

I'm fully aware I don't need to do much of anything to get it working or install 3rd party software, but the fact stands that it's still a hack to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Nice!!! very nice!!! they should add this as default!! I think most people will use make of it.
Nonetheless i am already mastering Metro, and is very fast, elegant and snappy.
Thanks!

All these silly hacks. Just stick with windows 7. Windows 8 is dead for those of us who are afraid of change and can't multitask like the elite Metro users.

abysal said,
All these silly hacks. Just stick with windows 7. Windows 8 is dead for those of us who are afraid of change and can't multitask like the elite Metro users.

1. There is no Multitasking with Metro.
2. It is not about change but broken design.
3. Windows 8 is more than just Metro.

techguy77 said,

1. There is no Multitasking with Metro.
2. It is not about change but broken design.
3. Windows 8 is more than just Metro.

Alt+tab still works and you can dock windows beside each other and you can dock a metro app next to the desktop and have a bunch of stuff running on the desktop, how is this not multitasking? Have you even used it?

Bertch said,

Alt+tab still works and you can dock windows beside each other and you can dock a metro app next to the desktop and have a bunch of stuff running on the desktop, how is this not multitasking? Have you even used it?

Alt + Tab means nothing. I was thinking of having two or more Windows in Metro Start Menu itself. Docking Metro Style App next to Desktop is out of every taste, plain ugly.

adam7288 said,
is this a sick joke?

Are you a joke? This doesn't look so nice, but it replicates the classic start menu, something windows 7 doesn't even have as well.

link6155 said,

Are you a joke? This doesn't look so nice, but it replicates the classic start menu, something windows 7 doesn't even have as well.

And something windows 7 doesn't need. There's no reason to click the All Programs section of the start menu in Win7 unless you can't remember the name of an app you want. And how often does that actually happen?

GP007 said,

And something windows 7 doesn't need. There's no reason to click the All Programs section of the start menu in Win7 unless you can't remember the name of an app you want. And how often does that actually happen?


Just the same on 8. Its awesome fast to lauch anything from Metro. Just start typing what you want

bdsams said,
You'd be surprised how many emails we get asking how to get the start button back in the CP.

There's no point to Windows 8 if all users are going to do is force a way to get the start button back. But, in time users will adapt, and a few years from now those still complaining will look as silly as the "Save XP" campaign that was waged during Windows 7's development.

Dot Matrix said,

There's no point to Windows 8 if all users are going to do is force a way to get the start button back. But, in time users will adapt, and a few years from now those still complaining will look as silly as the "Save XP" campaign that was waged during Windows 7's development.

There is more to Windows 8 than Metro, a lot more, but not enough that it outweights the massive disadvantage in adding Metro.

GP007 said,

And something windows 7 doesn't need. There's no reason to click the All Programs section of the start menu in Win7 unless you can't remember the name of an app you want. And how often does that actually happen?

You'd be amazed at the number of people I run into all the time that don't know about the Search feature of the Start Menu. That's one thing I should people when I do work for them.

farmeunit said,

You'd be amazed at the number of people I run into all the time that don't know about the Search feature of the Start Menu. That's one thing I should people when I do work for them.

That feature sucks cause you have to move your hands off the to the keyboard and type the name, just scanning for it in all programs with your eyes and no hand movement is much easier.

Daniel_Pooh said,

That feature sucks cause you have to move your hands off the to the keyboard and type the name, just scanning for it in all programs with your eyes and no hand movement is much easier.

Can't tell if sarcasm or just plain lazy.

bdsams said,
You'd be surprised how many emails we get asking how to get the start button back in the CP.

I'm not surprised. What Microsoft did with this OS looks like a joke for me, after spending a few days with it. Metro UI in a dekstop OS? What for?

tom5 said,

I'm not surprised. What Microsoft did with this OS looks like a joke for me, after spending a few days with it. Metro UI in a dekstop OS? What for?

Put it this way: Do you whole heartedly expect to be using the same Windows UI 10 years from now? How about 20? Because if you do, you're joking yourself. This is only Microsoft adapting Windows to meet future demands and user needs without the need to maintain multiple operating systems. Would you rather Microsoft just roll over and play dead, instead?

This is no different than when they abandoned DOS, switched over from the Program Manager, or introduced the XP Start Menu (Yes, many a power user bitched there too.), and guess what? Users adapted. It's just the way things work.

Dot Matrix said,

There's no point to Windows 8 if all users are going to do is force a way to get the start button back. But, in time users will adapt, and a few years from now those still complaining will look as silly as the "Save XP" campaign that was waged during Windows 7's development.

Like you were saying Windows XP is going away quickly and guess what still is holding almost 50% of the Market.

Tavitian Santiago said,

Just the same on 8. Its awesome fast to lauch anything from Metro. Just start typing what you want

Soooo, the answer to abysmally poor GUI design is to go back to a keyboard paradigm from 30 years ago?!

I don't think so...

techguy77 said,

Like you were saying Windows XP is going away quickly and guess what still is holding almost 50% of the Market.

50!? Try 30.

Dot Matrix said,

Put it this way: Do you whole heartedly expect to be using the same Windows UI 10 years from now? How about 20? Because if you do, you're joking yourself. This is only Microsoft adapting Windows to meet future demands and user needs without the need to maintain multiple operating systems. Would you rather Microsoft just roll over and play dead, instead?

This is no different than when they abandoned DOS, switched over from the Program Manager, or introduced the XP Start Menu (Yes, many a power user bitched there too.), and guess what? Users adapted. It's just the way things work.

Change isn't inherently good. Change can be good, bad, or neutral. In this case, many people think it is bad. Others think it is good. Don't talk down to someone because they honestly think it is bad. You are not that important. I think metro is a bad idea on a desktop that isn't touch screen enabled which is most of the market at the moment. I didn't say XP or DOS was better and we should never change. I said this change was not good.

Don't change things for the sake of changing it. Change it if there is an actual reason to change it.

ILikeTobacco said,

Don't change things for the sake of changing it. Change it if there is an actual reason to change it.

You mean like tablets? Kinect? That's not reason enough?

ILikeTobacco said,

You are not that important.

Where di I mention myself? I simply mentioned change is inevitable. You either go with it or roll over and die. There's a paradigm shift, and the Windows of old just doesn't work with that shift.

ILikeTobacco said,
I think metro is a bad idea on a desktop that isn't touch screen enabled which is most of the market at the moment.

The majority of the desktop market is touch-enabled now?

bdsams said,
You'd be surprised how many emails we get asking how to get the start button back in the CP.

And we're talking about a tech forum here. Imagine this in the wild with the regular folk. *grabs popcorn*

Syanide said,

And we're talking about a tech forum here. Imagine this in the wild with the regular folk. *grabs popcorn*

On the plus side, it'll be a great time to purchase a new OEM PC, with all the returns and poor sales.

Dot Matrix said,

Put it this way: Do you whole heartedly expect to be using the same Windows UI 10 years from now? How about 20? Because if you do, you're joking yourself. This is only Microsoft adapting Windows to meet future demands and user needs without the need to maintain multiple operating systems. Would you rather Microsoft just roll over and play dead, instead?

This is no different than when they abandoned DOS, switched over from the Program Manager, or introduced the XP Start Menu (Yes, many a power user bitched there too.), and guess what? Users adapted. It's just the way things work.

I consider myself a computer geek, I always want to try new software and generally I like new things in this area. As for now I'm just disappointed because those Metro tiles don't make the work easier for desktop users. Mixing those 2 interfaces is a mistake IMO. If MS thinks the tiles are OK why did they leave the desktop there?

So - yes, I find metro UI far superior for tablets but it doesn't make any sense for ME on my desktop.

link6155 said,

Are you a joke? This doesn't look so nice, but it replicates the classic start menu, something windows 7 doesn't even have as well.

Looks like some people never made it past Windows 98. Why are you on a tech site again? to remind yourself how badly you are stuck in the past?

Syanide said,

And we're talking about a tech forum here. Imagine this in the wild with the regular folk. *grabs popcorn*

Tech people are the ones who don't like change. I doubt the average user will freak out over the start screen once they get used to it as always. They seem to have adapted to smartphones and ipads just fine for their basic computing needs.

Zimmedon said,

The majority of the desktop market is touch-enabled now?

Re-read his comment, he is saying that the majority is not yet touch enabled.

GP007 said,

Tech people are the ones who don't like change. I doubt the average user will freak out over the start screen once they get used to it as always. They seem to have adapted to smartphones and ipads just fine for their basic computing needs.

Guess we'll wait and see. I predict a disaster.

tom5 said,

I consider myself a computer geek, I always want to try new software and generally I like new things in this area. As for now I'm just disappointed because those Metro tiles don't make the work easier for desktop users. Mixing those 2 interfaces is a mistake IMO. If MS thinks the tiles are OK why did they leave the desktop there?

So - yes, I find metro UI far superior for tablets but it doesn't make any sense for ME on my desktop.

It was never a bother to many to mix DOS and Win32....

Dot Matrix said,

There's no point to Windows 8 if all users are going to do is force a way to get the start button back. But, in time users will adapt, and a few years from now those still complaining will look as silly as the "Save XP" campaign that was waged during Windows 7's development.


Sorry but I disagree, forcing this on users especially corperate users pretty much means its not going to be bought. Computer users are stupid enough adding another level of unneeded complexity into the mix is just a nightmare for a system admin. This OS will fail harder than vista if they do not create a way to do both the start menu and metro. This time it will fail and actually be microsofts fault instead of oems who crippled vista out of the box with too little specs.

Dot Matrix said,

You mean like tablets? Kinect? That's not reason enough?
Where di I mention myself?

Those are not reason enough to force this onto desktop users where touch screens are not the norm. Microsoft isn't into making PC's and more specifically monitors. That means they are betting that actual hardware manufactures are going to go with it and severely drop the price of touch screen monitors. You bring up tablets but strangely enough, I don't recall Windows 8 preview coming out for tablets, only desktops. Bringing up Kinect suggests you think regular customers are going to go out and spend $100 on the new OS, and then another $150 on something that can be done with a $10 mouse.

As far as the comment about not mentioning yourself, good job not quoting in context. You were talking down to someone and that is what I was referring to when I said you are not that important.

Zimmedon said,

The majority of the desktop market is touch-enabled now?

Reread that. It says the majority of desktops are NOT touch screen though I admit I could have worded that better.

ILikeTobacco said,
I think metro is a bad idea on a desktop that isn't touch screen enabled which is most of the market at the moment.

Whereas I enjoy using Metro start apps and the whole interface better with keyboard and mouse. The touch gestures actually take longer to navigate on my Touchsmart TM2.
My Touchsmart all-in-one sucks at Touch due to the gigantic bezel, so keyboard and mouse is very functional, fast and fluid.

ILikeTobacco said,
Change it if there is an actual reason to change it.

Microsoft are defining a paradigm for the next 20 years. The real reason is that the other 6.5Billion people on this planet who have never used a computer can pick this up faster than people took learning win9x forward.

It's about what's best for the masses, not personal choice.