Another leaked iPhone 5S photo confirms dual LED flash?

Yesterday we saw a possible glimpse at Apple's next iPhone. As expected, the next iteration of the company's flagship smartphone would remain reasonably unchanged aesthetically while delivering numerous hardware improvements. It was noted, however, that the back of the purported device has a pill-shaped cut out for the LED flash, suggesting that rumours the next iPhone may have dual LED flash may be correct.

Despite the questionable quality of the photo, it clearly shows the pill-shaped flash we've seen on previous images. Given the 13MP sensor on Samsung's Galaxy S4, Apple may be pushing for updated optics in the iPhone 5 in order to keep up. Alongside a new camera, we'll likely see a new A7 processor, improved battery life and the long-rumoured fingerprint scanner that recent patent filings may have confirmed. Naturally, the new device will come with iOS 7 preinstalled.

As well as an updated iPhone 5, we may see a budget iPhone, with approximately 8GB of storage and a coloured plastic case. While this rumour has been around for some time and it's not a particularly Apple-esque move, given Android's quickly dominating market share the company may have to act soon to keep up.

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what i would really appreciate with the iphone is when front and rear cameras are able to record/shoot with the same mp.

wow amazing, going to by 5 for myself so i have 10 LED lights! Cant wait for iphone 6 with the LED on the front also not just the 2 on the back

I don't comprehend why people feel the need to be a bunch of wise guys on here. It really makes this site look like a joke.

On a side note, let's be realistic, the iPhone performance is much better with such a simple array of hardware, while the likes of Galaxy phones require all these quad-core processor, and other gimmicks. I sell these things for a living, so I can personally attest to the fact that most of these features that the Galaxy phones come with, are nothing more than an initial rage that people don't really use after the first few weeks.

As for the camera, let's be realistic, the iPhone consistently beats the Galaxy. Even with it's simple interface, and lack of added functions (that most novice users don't use) it still does a great job. The dual-flash is simply to aid in the iPhone's not-so-great nighttime photography, which the Nokia Lumia trumps everyone on.

And to add insult to injury, Apple releases these incremental upgrades, and the iPhone sells out in no time. Galaxy does these "revolutionary" updates, and while sales aren't too shabby, they don't even come close to the iPhone.

While I do enjoy the Galaxy line of phones (I've owned everything but the S4) and I will give it credit when it's due, I don't bother with the whole "childish bashing" of it. I simply use facts to back my points of view.

I know the slogan for Neowin is "where unprofessional journalism looks better" but it might as well include "where monkeys and fanboys can run amok"

Let's get it together, people.

Amen! Someone with a head on their shoulders!

neuroticdave said,
I don't comprehend why people feel the need to be a bunch of wise guys on here. It really makes this site look like a joke.

On a side note, let's be realistic, the iPhone performance is much better with such a simple array of hardware, while the likes of Galaxy phones require all these quad-core processor, and other gimmicks. I sell these things for a living, so I can personally attest to the fact that most of these features that the Galaxy phones come with, are nothing more than an initial rage that people don't really use after the first few weeks.

As for the camera, let's be realistic, the iPhone consistently beats the Galaxy. Even with it's simple interface, and lack of added functions (that most novice users don't use) it still does a great job. The dual-flash is simply to aid in the iPhone's not-so-great nighttime photography, which the Nokia Lumia trumps everyone on.

And to add insult to injury, Apple releases these incremental upgrades, and the iPhone sells out in no time. Galaxy does these "revolutionary" updates, and while sales aren't too shabby, they don't even come close to the iPhone.

While I do enjoy the Galaxy line of phones (I've owned everything but the S4) and I will give it credit when it's due, I don't bother with the whole "childish bashing" of it. I simply use facts to back my points of view.

I know the slogan for Neowin is "where unprofessional journalism looks better" but it might as well include "where monkeys and fanboys can run amok"

Let's get it together, people.


neuroticdave said,

And to add insult to injury, Apple releases these incremental upgrades, and the iPhone sells out in no time. Galaxy does these "revolutionary" updates, and while sales aren't too shabby, they don't even come close to the iPhone.

Didn't the Galaxy S3 sell more than the iPhone? Isn't the Galaxy S4 out selling the iPhone 5? Unless you're referring just to the place you're working?

That is not to say I disagree with the post in general, I actually agree.

I hope thats not the back of the 5S! The back needed to be like the new touches all one colour and not two different ones, boo

It's obvious the 5S will just be a tweaked version of the excellent iPhone 5. I don't know why so many people have their panties in a twist.

Just look at past history:

iPhone 3G was succeeded by a tweaked and improved 3G S
iPhone 4 was succeeded by a tweaked and improved 4S
And guess what! iPhone 5 will be succeeded by a tweaked and improved 5S! What a shocker.

Of course in my view, the best keeps getting better plus there's iOS 7 which is really excellent (I've used the developer version). If you are invested in the Apple iPhone ecosystem you have nothing to worry about.

I always upgrade to the latest iPhone, but I don't think I will be doing it this year. Instead I'll use my money to buy the Xbox One & PS4 which I've already pre-ordered.

Steve121178 said,
It's obvious the 5S will just be a tweaked version of the excellent iPhone 5. I don't know why so many people have their panties in a twist.

Just look at past history:

iPhone 3G was succeeded by a tweaked and improved 3G S
iPhone 4 was succeeded by a tweaked and improved 4S
And guess what! iPhone 5 will be succeeded by a tweaked and improved 5S! What a shocker.

Of course in my view, the best keeps getting better plus there's iOS 7 which is really excellent (I've used the developer version). If you are invested in the Apple iPhone ecosystem you have nothing to worry about.

I always upgrade to the latest iPhone, but I don't think I will be doing it this year. Instead I'll use my money to buy the Xbox One & PS4 which I've already pre-ordered.

Sorry, but I'm going to make the point that Apple purposely baby feed features.

Original iPhone > iPhone 3G (Basically the same phone but has 3G capability, something smart phones and dumb phones had for years)
iPhone 3G > 3GS (Faster phone, more memory, you can change the background on your menu screen and record video, something phones have been doing for years, even if the quality was ****).

To be honest, the only major iPhone upgrades that have come out over the years is the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 5.

The other issue is that the value of these phones don't fall as they should do with their feature set. The iPhone 3G was being sold @ £350 at retail and it was out for over 2 years until the iPhone 4 came out and iOS stopped being upgraded for it.

The point I'm getting at is that Apple can sell **** and make a profit from it.

Btw, I'm a previous iPhone 3G owner so please don't think I'm being some butthurt fanboy, it's just something I've come to realise over time about Apple and I think they like taken customers for a ride. And I'm not saying no other company does that, I just think Apple make it a bit more noticeable.

My old Nokia N86 had dual LEDs.

I think most phones these days should have dual LEDs. Might make image quality better in low-light situations.

jren207 said,

I think most phones these days should have dual LEDs. Might make image quality better in low-light situations.

Or, you know, a real xeon flash. Keep an LED for the flashlight.

rfirth said,

Or, you know, a real xeon flash. Keep an LED for the flashlight.

Oh you mean like how my old Sony Ericsson K750 had a real Xeon flash? lol

jren207 said,
But the great thing about having LEDs is that you can actually use it for a flashlight, and for the camera.

Not to blow minds, but the newer phones with the Xenon flash, like the Nokia 928/925, have both.

(The LED is used for preprocessing, and also works quite well as a flashlight being as bright as traditional LED flashes.)

(In Jonathan Ive's voice)

"The precise location of the focal point which is not 2 mm away from the lens curvature but 1 mm away! We at Apple wanted to introduce this revolutionary new feature which will change things again; 1mm at the time."

/joke

Why do people feel that Apple needs to release a revolutionary complete newly designed phone every 12 months? That doesn't make any sense. The iPhone 5 design is great, the materials and the quality feel to it is really appealing. It would be a shame if they completely redesign the phone after one year, that would indicate that the previous design wasn't good. Apple never changes something when there is no need to change it, or when it isn't 'better'.

And look at the competition..Samsung for example are releasing 'new' phones like crazy, little design tweaks, inconsistent harware and even the software is different per model. It's very bad behavior in my opinion because they are flooding the market with mid-range crap devices that will make it difficult to develop good working/looking apps with innovative features for Android. And that is why developers prefer the iOS platform so much.

No need for a redesign every year. It's the money milking on incremental upgrades that ****es me me off. You never get what you should get in the first place, instead have to wait 3 years for the incremental upgrades to catch up. Planned obsolescence, artificial restrictions, etc. All companies do this, but Apple is the true master of this.

Now we are gonna get a dual led flash all of a sudden, because it was impossible before? And perhaps 2 GB of RAM if lucky.

Quad-core? NFC? Yeah, all spread out over the years...

Dannydeman said,
Why do people feel that Apple needs to release a revolutionary complete newly designed phone every 12 months? That doesn't make any sense. The iPhone 5 design is great, the materials and the quality feel to it is really appealing. It would be a shame if they completely redesign the phone after one year, that would indicate that the previous design wasn't good. Apple never changes something when there is no need to change it, or when it isn't 'better'.

And look at the competition..Samsung for example are releasing 'new' phones like crazy, little design tweaks, inconsistent harware and even the software is different per model. It's very bad behavior in my opinion because they are flooding the market with mid-range crap devices that will make it difficult to develop good working/looking apps with innovative features for Android. And that is why developers prefer the iOS platform so much.

Because apple presents itself like the only innovator on planet. Sitting on a high horse. Thats why such comments cone up.

Dannydeman said,
It would be a shame if they completely redesign the phone after one year, that would indicate that the previous design wasn't good.

this is what made me sad... people actually think that because something was good, and they really liked it when it came out, now that something new comes out with a little upgrade here and there, it makes the previous thing bad... *sigh*

it needs a special eye to appreciate an older design as beautiful on its own and its time period. over time tastes change and so does the appeal of many designs.

the average person does only appreciate a current design. perceives older designs as "ugly" and such.

you sir might have that special eye, so it makes you sad if the average person does not appreciate what was once great.

agree Dannydeman, why change something when it is not broke. i like the iphone. you get what you pay for and you get crap when you keep pushing changes to the public so that they can use you as guinea pigs. people should really do the math. for every new android (times X) you buy you end up spending far more when compared to buying an iphone.

Dannydeman said,
Why do people feel that Apple needs to release a revolutionary complete newly designed phone every 12 months? That doesn't make any sense. The iPhone 5 design is great, the materials and the quality feel to it is really appealing. It would be a shame if they completely redesign the phone after one year, that would indicate that the previous design wasn't good. Apple never changes something when there is no need to change it, or when it isn't 'better'.

And look at the competition..Samsung for example are releasing 'new' phones like crazy, little design tweaks, inconsistent harware and even the software is different per model. It's very bad behavior in my opinion because they are flooding the market with mid-range crap devices that will make it difficult to develop good working/looking apps with innovative features for Android. And that is why developers prefer the iOS platform so much.

NO. We aren't asking for Apple to redesign the phone. We are asking to actually bring us something no one else has or had 3 or 4 years ago.

Here is the problem. Other phone makers release several phones per year and one flagship once every 12 months. Hwoever buy the time the flagship comes, it has built up something new to look forward too.

Example, Samsung has basically ran the S4 into the ground with so many variants. We can expect that the Galaxy Note III will carry many of the features we have seen. However, but the time the GS5 comes, we can expect something a bit more spicy.

With APple every year has been, onesees twoosees. Nothing new, just the same stuff we already seen for 3 or 4 year prior.

Apple did all that suing for what? So they could slow everyone down so they could catch up? Dual LED Flash? As I recall HTC had the first of that in 2009 with the Evo 4G and my HTC Incredible. Which I bragged was so bright I could take a perfect picture in a room that was 100% dark. Which it did.

Dannydeman said,
Why do people feel that Apple needs to release a revolutionary complete newly designed phone every 12 months? That doesn't make any sense. The iPhone 5 design is great, the materials and the quality feel to it is really appealing. It would be a shame if they completely redesign the phone after one year, that would indicate that the previous design wasn't good. Apple never changes something when there is no need to change it, or when it isn't 'better'.

And look at the competition..Samsung for example are releasing 'new' phones like crazy, little design tweaks, inconsistent harware and even the software is different per model. It's very bad behavior in my opinion because they are flooding the market with mid-range crap devices that will make it difficult to develop good working/looking apps with innovative features for Android. And that is why developers prefer the iOS platform so much.

A new device is what Apple's success cycle is built on. Going back to the early 1980s, Apple spikes up and start to dip, with the next device/computer release bringing spiking it success back up.

Apple itself is victim of its own success model, as it needs a new semi-revolutionary product every couple of years to maintain its success in the market. Without a new phone/tablet/computer Apple's business model would slowly drop off relegating them back to a point of obscurity.

Sadly this is not a sustainable model, and Apple should realize this by now, as they have fallen backwards twice in their short history with Microsoft stepping in to help them both times.

Even HTC is finding out that a 'boom' of device sales or innovation only last so long.

Unless Apple can reinvent the wheel every couple of years (or convince people they did), they won't have the spike to move them forward and they will fall.

In the MS vs Apple or any IT company, there is one thing the others do well, they do not need spike revenue and long term R&D and technology innovations along with a diverse range of technologies that do not depend on the sales of a single device like their new Phone or tablet.

Microsoft Surface was an ok success (for Microsoft); however, if it had been Apple's product it would have been devastating to Apple. This is the difference, Microsoft's future, like most IT companies doesn't 'rise' or 'fall' based on one product or even a series of products.


Apple needs to take some of their cash and expand into their OWN R&D of what the future may need like Microsoft does and then they won't have to produce an amazing new phone/tablet every year just to stay relevant.

Mobius Enigma said,

A new device is what Apple's success cycle is built on. Going back to the early 1980s, Apple spikes up and start to dip, with the next device/computer release bringing spiking it success back up.

Apple itself is victim of its own success model, as it needs a new semi-revolutionary product every couple of years to maintain its success in the market. Without a new phone/tablet/computer Apple's business model would slowly drop off relegating them back to a point of obscurity.

Sadly this is not a sustainable model, and Apple should realize this by now, as they have fallen backwards twice in their short history with Microsoft stepping in to help them both times.

Even HTC is finding out that a 'boom' of device sales or innovation only last so long.

Unless Apple can reinvent the wheel every couple of years (or convince people they did), they won't have the spike to move them forward and they will fall.

In the MS vs Apple or any IT company, there is one thing the others do well, they do not need spike revenue and long term R&D and technology innovations along with a diverse range of technologies that do not depend on the sales of a single device like their new Phone or tablet.

Microsoft Surface was an ok success (for Microsoft); however, if it had been Apple's product it would have been devastating to Apple. This is the difference, Microsoft's future, like most IT companies doesn't 'rise' or 'fall' based on one product or even a series of products.


Apple needs to take some of their cash and expand into their OWN R&D of what the future may need like Microsoft does and then they won't have to produce an amazing new phone/tablet every year just to stay relevant.

That was the most amazing post I ever read. Good job!!!!

Didn't you know? It's fashionable to bash Apple at every opportunity!
Can't believe I haven't see an iSheep comment yet.

Nothing wrong with having fun.

You and all the people who rated you up are just butthurt Apple fanboys. Sad really. Can't take a joke because to you people Apple is like a cult.

Joke or not it degrades this website... Why would any fan of Apple want to post positive, negative or healthy debatable comments when they either get seriously shot down or lost amongst a sea of elitist comments coming from people who don't like Apple.

If you don't like the post topic or can't say anything that will promote healthy community discussion then why bother posting at all? Do the rest of the site a favour and bypass the post.

And the majority of the comments stopped being 'fun' 2 years a go... i bet these guys are still saying wassssuuupppppppp

SK[ said,]Didn't you know? It's fashionable to bash Apple at every opportunity!
Can't believe I haven't see an iSheep comment yet.
The iSheeple will think this is the best thing since sliced bread.

There I fixed it for you....lol

I don't very much agree with a new A7 (at least the name). Best thing they could do would be shrink the A6 and make it the new A5 (which is in almost everything).

They will probably do both. A new chip for the latest gen phone and iPad, and then a die-shrunk A6 for the iPod touch, iPad Mini, and the price reduced iPhone 5.

If Apple will launch a cellphone with a camera that works in low-dim condition then, Nokia will be screwed -> WP will be screwed.

Brony said,
If Apple will launch a cellphone with a camera that works in low-dim condition then, Nokia will be screwed -> WP will be screwed.

More flash isn't going to fix the problem.

Brony said,
If Apple will launch a cellphone with a camera that works in low-dim condition then, Nokia will be screwed -> WP will be screwed.

the lumia 92x family doesn't rely flash for low light, its sensor assembly is 'floating' so the shutter can open for longer, hence more light on the sensor with still sharp shots, and lets not forget the 41 mp tech coming soon.

Brony said,
If Apple will launch a cellphone with a camera that works in low-dim condition then, Nokia will be screwed -> WP will be screwed.

Couldn't be more incorrect.

Brony said,
If Apple will launch a cellphone with a camera that works in low-dim condition then, Nokia will be screwed -> WP will be screwed.

On topic... It is NOT the flash of the Nokia 928/925 that allows it to have high quality low light photos.

For new users they will find that turning off the flash is often a better result even in dark shoots as the camera does a better job with low light than the over exposed images ANY flash produces.

What the Xenon flash on the 928 does provide is a high speed flash that lets the phone capture high motion and low light scenes, essentially freezing them clearly in the shot even during nighttime events. (Like other phones can sometimes do in the daytime because of the fast shutter time.)


If Apple is capable of the Lumia's low light without a flash, then it has a chance to dethrone them. However based on the imaging chips and processing technologies that are built from Nokia patents, there is little chance this will happen or you would have seen it already in the Samsung S4 and other new phones. Apple would not dare challenge Nokia in a patent fight, with Microsoft standing behind them.

PS
The Nokia 928/925's low light imaging is close to what the human eye sees. So if you can barely see an object or distant light, you can expect that the Lumia will reproduce a similar image to what your eye sees.

If you have the chance to use a Nokia phone and can do side by side comparisons with an iPhone or S4 or HTC One, anything that is not brightly lighted showcases what the Nokia phones can pull off, besting even dedicated point and shoot cameras in low light. In our testing evening and night shots would look amazing on the 928/925, where the S4 specifically would return a solid black image in comparison at very low light scenes. The HTC/iPhone would return a bit more light, but at the expense of handshaking and with a lot of digital noise.

The optical stabilization is very important to what the 928/925 produce, even if you have a steady hand. This is also why the tripod mounted 'test' shots comparing the phones cameras are misleading, as most human hands are not tripod steady, and the difference is dramatic in daylight, let alone low light where the camera needs a bit longer exposure.

"One more thing... We added one more LED"... Crowd starts going ape****. Not only did Apple invented the LED, but the dual LED. Wow what innovation. Apple is ahead of the curve once more.