Apple Acknowledges That Some iMacs Freeze Up

Apple has acknowledged receiving complaints about software update 1.1, issued September 13, that has resulted in iMacs freezing up during normal use, and said it would issue a fix as soon as possible. The update was issued to fix bugs, and was recommended for 20- and 24-inch iMac models with 2.0, 2.4, or 2.8-GHz processors. The problem affects a "small number of iMac users. We are tracking down the root cause of this, and will issue a software update to correct it as soon as we can. Most likely later this month. We apologize for the inconvenience," according to an Apple spokesman who declined to give exact numbers.

While Apple reported hearing customer complaints following the update, iMac users reported having problems with the new iMacs in August, the same month they were released. Some people reported the iMac freezing when opening various applications, such as iTunes, FrontRow, and iPhoto.

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The problems is not that Apple found a bug but the facts is Apple is overhyping their own products saying that they are bugs-free, insecure-free, nerd-free, foolproof, water proof and bullet proof when the it's not quite true.

what do you mean MAC's crash, no they don't thats why people use macs isn't it.

what ever happened to Apple stuff "JUST WORKS" i wonder if all you apple fanboys are finally realising, apple aint as perfect as you all make out.

black_death said,
Its as if theyre paying all that extra money for a pretty PC - that you cant modfiy....

Yip...I guess the reason why macboys or iFanboys are such zealots is that deep down they know they have been raped by Jobs financially, and somehow believe it is their fault. So they HAVE to defend Apple continuously...

I love how the Windows crashes that are caused by bad 3rd party drivers (because theres so much extra hardware to chose from) are constantly criticized but when Macs crash because of an actual flaw on the OS theres comments like these

LTD said,
When a company, famed for its reputation for quality and customer satisfaction, takes a bit of a stumble, all the trolls come out of the woodwork.

it is a comment by LTD, he is the biggest fanboy on this site. typically of the sort of stuff he says really. it's the MAC Denial thing, at least windows users can admit when they have problems.

typical mac crap really

This is not a big deal, is it? It says "a small number of iMac users." With their market share that what, 5 computers?

Quote: "My laptop is an HP Pavilion dv6209tx, it was $400 cheaper than the top of the line Macbook, and has better specifications - how can Apple justifying charging $400 more for a laptop which has inferior specifications to the laptop I'm using now?".


For me OSX and iLife and the quality of applications available for OSX totally justify the $400 difference. It puzzle's me that most people on the windows platform are only interested in hardware specs, what makes a computer great is the combination of great hardware and great software, it is here where PC's fall short. Quality differences come with a price.

Exactly. Dells don't run OS X. HPs don't run OS X. Custom-built mix-and-match ware doesn't run OS X.

Macs do.

I don't want to be running garbage on my computer, be it a desktop or notebook.

Yes, because according to Steve Jobs your computer must have the blessing of Apple in order to not be garbage. Windows (and Linux) users are by association financial, intellectual and spirtual inferiors. We must understand this. This is the literal truth. There is no truth but the very words spoken in the Holy Book of Apple. The first chapter of which is an alternate reality in which a man was given knowledge at the tree of life through conduit of an Apple. This is the Book of Jobs (not the Book of Job). Many Christian scholars dispute this and believe that the Book of Job and Genesis were lifted in order to forged as the 1st text in the Holy Book of Apple. Praise be our Lord Steve Jobs and may peace be upon him.

bluarash said,
Yes, because according to Steve Jobs your computer must have the blessing of Apple in order to not be garbage. Windows (and Linux) users are by association financial, intellectual and spirtual inferiors. We must understand this. This is the literal truth. There is no truth but the very words spoken in the Holy Book of Apple. The first chapter of which is an alternate reality in which a man was given knowledge at the tree of life through conduit of an Apple. This is the Book of Jobs (not the Book of Job). Many Christian scholars dispute this and believe that the Book of Job and Genesis were lifted in order to forged as the 1st text in the Holy Book of Apple. Praise be our Lord Steve Jobs and may peace be upon him.

Well, clearly you see it that way. However, most Mac users simply use OS X or a Mac because they like it more.

Hardly, I have actually owned a couple of Macs throughout my lifetime. I have been around long enough to be very familiar with the Cult of Apple. I actually consider myself a recovering Apple user/programmer.

LTD said,
Exactly. Dells don't run OS X. HPs don't run OS X. Custom-built mix-and-match ware doesn't run OS X.

Macs do.

I don't want to be running garbage on my computer, be it a desktop or notebook.

Ummm, actually, LTD... my PC IS running OS X, XP and Ubuntu 7.04. So yeah, you're not entirely correct.

LTD said,
I don't want to be running garbage on my computer, be it a desktop or notebook.

Also happens to be the reason I didn't go mac.

billyea said,

Also happens to be the reason I didn't go mac. ;)

It's hard to like Vista. Congratulations, that's quite an accomplishment.

RAID 0 said,

Ummm, actually, LTD... my PC IS running OS X, XP and Ubuntu 7.04. So yeah, you're not entirely correct.

OS X on a generic PC? If you like kissing you're sister . . .

LTD said,
Exactly. Dells don't run OS X. HPs don't run OS X. Custom-built mix-and-match ware doesn't run OS X.

Macs do.

I don't want to be running garbage on my computer, be it a desktop or notebook.

<snipped - rule 2> As for the IMac I got just to get the OS it has not been turned on in over a year.

OS X on a generic PC? If you like kissing you're sister . . .

I am at an utter lost for words. What type of analogy is this? Do you have some experience in this department that the rest of us should know about?

bluarash said,

I am at an utter lost for words. What type of analogy is this? Do you have some experience in this department that the rest of us should know about?

Don't argue with a Mac fanboy man. They just lower your IQ.

LTD said,

OS X on a generic PC? If you like kissing you're sister . . .

HA! I've never kissed my sister, so I wouldn't know anything about that.

About my PC, it's nothing special... but not "generic", in fact it's completely custom. I doubt there's another PC out there EXACTLY like mine. What's generic is: the lack of options with the Mac, software aside... you can't custom build your rig, UPGRADE the CPU, in the case if the iMac- upgrade the video card.. overclocking... etc. Why would I want a system that I'd basically have to throw away after a few years, instead of replacing the "logic board", CPU, video card, memory... With an Apple product, GO BUY A NEW ONE for A LOT of money to get the "newest" support and hardware. That's the biggest issue I have with the Apple hardware scheme.

On the OS side of things: Yeah, OS X is awesome; I like it. If Apple decided to let OS X on PC hardware (which would make them A LOT of money, IMHO) I'd load it and use it for many things. The fact that I"m running it now... granted it took a little tweaking to get it to work, means it's very possible. It's cool I didn't have to drop at least 600 bucks for the mac minni to use that OS.

So all things considered, it's the Apple line that's generic.

RAID 0 said,
HA! I've never kissed my sister, so I wouldn't know anything about that.

About my PC, it's nothing special... but not "generic", in fact it's completely custom. I doubt there's another PC out there EXACTLY like mine. What's generic is: the lack of options with the Mac, software aside... you can't custom build your rig, UPGRADE the CPU, in the case if the iMac- upgrade the video card.. overclocking... etc. Why would I want a system that I'd basically have to throw away after a few years, instead of replacing the "logic board", CPU, video card, memory... With an Apple product, GO BUY A NEW ONE for A LOT of money to get the "newest" support and hardware. That's the biggest issue I have with the Apple hardware scheme.

On the OS side of things: Yeah, OS X is awesome; I like it. If Apple decided to let OS X on PC hardware (which would make them A LOT of money, IMHO) I'd load it and use it for many things. The fact that I"m running it now... granted it took a little tweaking to get it to work, means it's very possible. It's cool I didn't have to drop at least 600 bucks for the mac minni to use that OS.

So all things considered, it's the Apple line that's generic.

RE: Your sister. Please don't try it. And I agree with you on OSX. Apple's copy protection is the TPM chip that's on their boards. If they put it in a USB dongle and sold it with the OS as a generic standalone, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I just don't like Apple's locked hardware. However, at least you don't have to buy their optical drives and hard drives to get full functionality anymore.

LTD said,

OS X on a generic PC? If you like kissing you're sister . . .

so to use oSX you need to kiss your sister, NOW I GET THE whole apple thing, it's like the people from the south thing

Apple's formula for revealing and patching issues with their products:

1. First user complains. Apple blames the user.
2. Multiple users complain, and vocalize their issues on websites like the Consumerist - Apple refuses to acknowledge the problem, return phone calls, or give out any information whatsoever. The Fed's board meeting minutes are more accessible than Apple's release of information.
3. After the problem is known to just about everyone, is stuck on Digg's front page with 1,000+ Diggs, is in major newspapers and tech websites, etc., Apple finally releases a statement acknowledging the problem
4. A few months later (depending on the amount of publicity, of course - more bad publicity = faster patch time) they issue a patch, and everything is back to normal - until the next incident, of course.


Did I miss anything?

Lets take a quick look at the Mac-overpriced comparison again, shall we?

MacBook Pro - $2,799.00
(Taken from Apple.com's Online Store)

Mac OS X
17" Glossy 1680*1050 screen
2.4 ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
160 gb SATA 5400 rpm HDD
2 gb DDR2 RAM
256 mb Nvidia Graphics
Webcam
SuperDrive
Flash Reader

HP dv9500t - $1,549.99
(Taken from HPshopping.com's Online Store)

Vista Home Premium
17" Brightview 1680*1050 Screen
2.4 ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
160 gb SATA 5400 rpm HDD
2 gb DDR2 RAM
256 mb Nvidia Graphics
Webcam
SuperDrive w/ Lightscribe
Flash Reader
Fingerprint Scanner

hmm, these are basically identical laptops, but whats that? One is $ 1,250 MORE! I'm detecting a slight difference here...

Sorry, I had to do it.

Everyone making fun should realize that Apple is fixing it. It's not like they're going to ship new ones that are screwed up, or leave the screwed up ones out there on peoples desks.

Of course they're shipping "screwed up" ones. You think Apple would stop shipping iMacs because of a bug that causes, as Apple states, "some" iMacs freeze up? Nope, they'll still sell them and issue the fix when they have it.

Mathachew said,
Of course they're shipping "screwed up" ones. You think Apple would stop shipping iMacs because of a bug that causes, as Apple states, "some" iMacs freeze up? Nope, they'll still sell them and issue the fix when they have it.

No, they'll do what they always do and fix the outgoing iMacs and ship an update for the screwed up ones.

simon360 said,

No, they'll do what they always do and fix the outgoing iMacs and ship an update for the screwed up ones.

So you're saying that until Apple fixes this, they won't ship any any more iMacs at all? The update will probably be released "later this month," so they're going to halt iMac shipments to stores for two to three weeks? I find that very, very hard to believe.

simon360 said,
Everyone making fun should realize that Apple is fixing it. It's not like they're going to ship new ones that are screwed up, or leave the screwed up ones out there on peoples desks.

Right. The magical Mac-Fairy (the iFairy) from the land of iPods and rainbows will magically make all the bad, bad macs be good overnight with a wave of her one-button mouse. She's like the Tooth Fairy, except she leaves a copy of iTunes under your pillow.

Mathachew said,

So you're saying that until Apple fixes this, they won't ship any any more iMacs at all? The update will probably be released "later this month," so they're going to halt iMac shipments to stores for two to three weeks? I find that very, very hard to believe.


Do you ever listen to what I say? I said that the issue will be fixed on the iMacs that are being shipped! This was probably a manufacturing defect that Apple is finding a way around. They usually do, look back at history when they've had manufacturing defects, most recently the iPod Touch. When the negative black issue was discovered, Apple verified it and fixed the hardware that was outgoing, and sent out a firmware patch a few days later to fix most of them. That was much more efficient than sending in every iPod touch that had the problem, which would clog the repair centers for weeks, and then people would get their iPod Touches back. Cheaper for Apple, and a better result for everyone.

simon360 said,
Do you ever listen to what I say? I said that the issue will be fixed on the iMacs that are being shipped! This was probably a manufacturing defect that Apple is finding a way around. They usually do, look back at history when they've had manufacturing defects, most recently the iPod Touch. When the negative black issue was discovered, Apple verified it and fixed the hardware that was outgoing, and sent out a firmware patch a few days later to fix most of them. That was much more efficient than sending in every iPod touch that had the problem, which would clog the repair centers for weeks, and then people would get their iPod Touches back. Cheaper for Apple, and a better result for everyone.

The reason why people don't, is because you evidently didn't read the article.

It was caused by a software update. Strangely enough, software updates do not, as the previous poster pointed out, have a special being that automagically fixes stuff.

simon360 said,

Do you ever listen to what I say? I said that the issue will be fixed on the iMacs that are being shipped! This was probably a manufacturing defect that Apple is finding a way around. They usually do, look back at history when they've had manufacturing defects, most recently the iPod Touch. When the negative black issue was discovered, Apple verified it and fixed the hardware that was outgoing, and sent out a firmware patch a few days later to fix most of them. That was much more efficient than sending in every iPod touch that had the problem, which would clog the repair centers for weeks, and then people would get their iPod Touches back. Cheaper for Apple, and a better result for everyone.

Years ago they made a Mac model that had volume buttons on it. (Don't ask me which, I didn't buy it.) For some reason when you clicked the volume buttons it would occasionally make the computer freeze. You know how they fixed it? They released a patch that disabled the volume buttons. I'm sure as soon as they figure out how to tell the people in China that are making them what's wrong they'll go back from freezing to exploding.

Joseph21 said,
OH yeah that iQuality... or iCrap :laugh:

I wonder how much is due to Apple pushing the envelope when it comes to design - only to find that it overheats, thus firmware upgrade for better heat management?

People rave about Apple designs, but they do come at a price.

Croquant said,
You mean an overprice. As in they are overpriced.

That is a myth. Apple computers cost no more than any similarly priced Dell, HP or even Acer notebooks. I haven't done a comparison on desktops yet, but I imagine the results will be similar.

Dell XPS M1710 - $3,069

  • Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7600 (2.33GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB)
  • Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
  • 2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHZ, 2 DIMM
  • 200GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
  • 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 7900 GS
  • 8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
  • Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N
  • Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight (lbs): 8.71
Apple MacBook Pro (17" ) - $2,949.00
  • 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB L2 cache
  • Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
  • 2GB (two SO-DIMMs) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2
  • 250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
  • 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
  • SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
  • AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
  • Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight: 6.8 pounds
Do the comparison yourself... You might be a little surprised.

K3vlar said,

That is a myth. Apple computers cost no more than any similarly priced Dell, HP or even Acer notebooks. I haven't done a comparison on desktops yet, but I imagine the results will be similar.

Dell XPS M1710 - $3,069

  • Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7600 (2.33GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB)
  • Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
  • 2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHZ, 2 DIMM
  • 200GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
  • 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 7900 GS
  • 8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
  • Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N
  • Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight (lbs): 8.71
Apple MacBook Pro (17" ) - $2,949.00
  • 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB L2 cache
  • Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
  • 2GB (two SO-DIMMs) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2
  • 250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
  • 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
  • SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
  • AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
  • Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight: 6.8 pounds
Do the comparison yourself... You might be a little surprised.

Ohhhhhh, the Macbook is fifty bucks cheaper than the most expensive Dell laptop you can buy.... Whoo-hoo. Yeah, it's ssssssooooooo not overpriced. Whatever was I thinking. Golly. :rolleyes:
Stick this in your iPipe and smoke it, you macfan:
http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusg2sa1.html

Croquant said,

Ohhhhhh, the Macbook is fifty bucks cheaper than the most expensive Dell laptop you can buy.... Whoo-hoo. Yeah, it's ssssssooooooo not overpriced. Whatever was I thinking. Golly. :rolleyes:
Stick this in your iPipe and smoke it, you macfan:
http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusg2sa1.html

My laptop is an HP Pavilion dv6209tx, it was $400 cheaper than the top of the line Macbook, and has better specifications - how can Apple justifying charging $400 more for a laptop which has inferior specifications to the laptop I'm using now?

K3vlar said,

That is a myth. Apple computers cost no more than any similarly priced Dell, HP or even Acer notebooks.

ROFL... Yes they do, they cost quite a bit more than Acer especially... But don't forget other quality manufacturers like ASUS and Toshiba who both have high-end notebooks at very respectable prices. Meanwhile Apple are laughing all the way to the bank with some of you suckers :P

noleafclover said,

ROFL... Yes they do, they cost quite a bit more than Acer especially... But don't forget other quality manufacturers like ASUS and Toshiba who both have high-end notebooks at very respectable prices. Meanwhile Apple are laughing all the way to the bank with some of you suckers :P

Maybe that's why Acer sells more notebooks than Apple? Or did for a few quorters? I don't remember. But anyways Acer baught Gateway so they're only getting bigger and selling more systems.

kaiwai said,
My laptop is an HP Pavilion dv6209tx, it was $400 cheaper than the top of the line Macbook, and has better specifications - how can Apple justifying charging $400 more for a laptop which has inferior specifications to the laptop I'm using now?

This is where Mac and PC users "think differently". PC users are all about the raw specs, comparing the numbers. Mac users are about the user experience (and the ability to run any OS they darn well like! )

I'm afraid the price comparison above is misleading, because this is also an option:

Dell Inspiron 1720 - 17" - $1674
-Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7700 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/4MB cache)
-Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition
-2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz
-320GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
-256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT
-CD / DVD writer (DVD+/-RW Drive)
-Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini-Card
-Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)-High Definition Audio 2.0
-Weight: 7.6 pounds

Apple MacBook Pro (17" ) - $2,949.00
-2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB L2 cache
-Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
-2GB (two SO-DIMMs) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2
-250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
-256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
-SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
-AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
-Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
-Integrated Audio
-Weight: 6.8 pounds

You'll note that the Dell, which costs a little more than half, easily matches the Mac. Conclusion: Mac's are overpriced, from a certain point of view. :cheeky:

Neomac v6 said,

This is where Mac and PC users "think differently". PC users are all about the raw specs, comparing the numbers. Mac users are about the user experience (and the ability to run any OS they darn well like! )

Interesting, I'm sitting here, running OpenSolaris on here, and I get a great user experience AND I save $400 - I don' t know about you, but I can't see a downside. I get all the 'experience' without the price tag.

kaiwai said,

Interesting, I'm sitting here, running OpenSolaris on here, and I get a great user experience AND I save $400 - I don' t know about you, but I can't see a downside. I get all the 'experience' without the price tag.


How many average people do you think would be happy with Solaris? I've got nothing against it, but it isn't simple, and definitely doesn't fit into the "just works" category.

But that's irrelevant to the article.

Neomac v6 said,

This is where Mac and PC users "think differently". PC users are all about the raw specs, comparing the numbers. Mac users are about the user experience (and the ability to run any OS they darn well like! )


I can run any OS I like, and I don't buy Mac hardware. So you're point, again, was... what?

If your "User experience" is so much better, then why does Windows have 90% of the market share?

K3vlar said,

That is a myth. Apple computers cost no more than any similarly priced Dell, HP or even Acer notebooks. I haven't done a comparison on desktops yet, but I imagine the results will be similar.

Dell XPS M1710 - $3,069

  • Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7600 (2.33GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB)
  • Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
  • 2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHZ, 2 DIMM
  • 200GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
  • 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 7900 GS
  • 8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
  • Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N
  • Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight (lbs): 8.71
Apple MacBook Pro (17" ) - $2,949.00
  • 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB L2 cache
  • Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
  • 2GB (two SO-DIMMs) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2
  • 250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
  • 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
  • SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
  • AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
  • Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight: 6.8 pounds
Do the comparison yourself... You might be a little surprised.

omg! I'm gonna go build me a Mac! Oh, wait, I can't.

K3vlar said,

That is a myth. Apple computers cost no more than any similarly priced Dell, HP or even Acer notebooks. I haven't done a comparison on desktops yet, but I imagine the results will be similar.

Dell XPS M1710 - $3,069

  • Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7600 (2.33GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB)
  • Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
  • 2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHZ, 2 DIMM
  • 200GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
  • 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 7900 GS
  • 8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
  • Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N
  • Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight (lbs): 8.71
Apple MacBook Pro (17" ) - $2,949.00
  • 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB L2 cache
  • Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
  • 2GB (two SO-DIMMs) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2
  • 250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
  • 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
  • SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
  • AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
  • Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
  • Integrated Audio
  • Weight: 6.8 pounds
Do the comparison yourself... You might be a little surprised.

i am not surprised, the dell wins and is cheaper and faster, 4200 rpm hdd, i didn't know they still made them that slow, and yeah that will make the machine boot slow, load apps slow etc etc, you proved your own point invalid

kaiwai said,

I wonder how much is due to Apple pushing the envelope when it comes to design - only to find that it overheats, thus firmware upgrade for better heat management?

People rave about Apple designs, but they do come at a price.

if by pushing the envelope you are in any way refering to apple, you are probably wrong, as macs do use poarts made by others, they don't make hard disks, processors, etc etc, so they are only really pushing software limits, adn system building limits. and if your talkign about the iPhone, i hate to tell you this but a touch screen is not pushing the limit.

You mac Fanboys crack me right up. even when apple does F&*k up you just make all sorts of crazy excuses

Thrawn said,
I'm afraid the price comparison above is misleading, because this is also an option:

Dell Inspiron 1720 - 17" - $1674
-Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7700 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/4MB cache)
-Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition
-2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz
-320GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
-256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT
-CD / DVD writer (DVD+/-RW Drive)
-Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini-Card
-Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)-High Definition Audio 2.0
-Weight: 7.6 pounds

Apple MacBook Pro (17" ) - $2,949.00
-2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB L2 cache
-Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
-2GB (two SO-DIMMs) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2
-250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
-256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
-SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
-AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
-Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
-Integrated Audio
-Weight: 6.8 pounds

You'll note that the Dell, which costs a little more than half, easily matches the Mac. Conclusion: Mac's are overpriced, from a certain point of view. :cheeky:

Lol, apple ifanboys pwned!.. thanks ben kenobi for the comparison.

Grrrrrr I want a new iMac but I hate having things crash or freeze. With my OCD it makes my computer feel "unclean" when having to do a hard reset :*(