Apple Announces $85.95 iPhone Battery Replacement Program

Apple's iPhone may not have a user-replaceable battery, but now Apple is offering to replace said battery for $79 plus $6.95 shipping. Apple states that the repair will take three business days, not counting shipping to and from the repair center. If you absolutely can't live without your iPhone for the time your device is being serviced, you can rent one from Apple for $29. All data on your iPhone will be erased when you send it off, so Apple suggests that you backup all of your important information with iTunes beforehand. Should Apple consider making the iPhone's successor have a user-replaceable battery? Well that's an easy yes from any consumer. The real question is will they be satisfied with the money made this time around and give their customers what they want next time?

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I swear, Apple could sell your grandmother her own false teeth. Imagine if MS tried something like this??

Scenario 1:

MS Employee: "Hey, we've just finished a brand new phone! It can do absolutely nothing except use a land phone line, it comes complete with a docking station you will not be able to loose thanks to the handy cord we've attatched it to, plus the docking station will be needed to dail, yes ladies and gentlemen, dail a number"

Reporter: "So you've taken your great, great-grandmother's phone, and recreated it and selling it as state of the art?"

MS Employee: "Basically, yes... but is has the MS logo on it, see? Ooooh what a pretty logo"

Reporter: "You're fricking crazy!!"


Scenario 2:

Apple Employee: "Hey, we've just finished a brand new phone! It can do absolutely nothing except use a land phone line, it comes complete with a docking station you will not be able to loose thanks to the handy cord we've attatched it to, plus the docking station will be needed to dail, yes ladies and gentlemen, dail a number"

Reporter: "So you've taken your great, great-grandmother's phone, and recreated it and selling it as state of the art?"

Apple Employee: "Basically, yes... but is has the Apple logo on it, see? Ooooh what a pretty logo"

Report: "I'll take a dozen!"

This is what has been killing Apple for years and what keeps me away from their products. It is sad, but true :disappointed:

Do you guys actually know what a replacement battery (without professional inserting) costs for a good compact camera?
the price is kind of comparable...
then again it doesnt mean thats cheap ;)

Glassed Silver:mac

Firstly, define what's "a good compact camera".
AFAIK, all cameras now has replacable battery and they are quite cheap. By "quite cheap" I refer they are under USD$50.

Secondly, whats "professional inserting"? Guess I'm professional because I always switching batteries for my Fuji F810 compact camera?

please enlighten me.

Apple will probably be able to get away with charging this much for a battery replacement too. I wonder if they'd change anything if people complained enough...

This is wrong $85.95 for a battery replacement, people who bought the product paid alot of money for it and if the battery needs replacing, you need to pay $85.95?

What about the manufacturer guarantee, in the UK, all new electronic devices have a complementry 1 year warranty, should anything go wrong with device the customer can send the item back for a free repair (for any number of problems within the first year of purchase). Isn't this the same in USA?

If so, should anything happen to your device (including a failed battery) shouldn't you get it replaced for free (within the first year of purchase)?

Nope. The U.S. has a 90 day limited warranty imposed unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer and only if it's a product defect. Here you'd still have to pay for the battery whether the phone was under warranty or not.

The U.S. consumer laws only benefit the corporations.

It beggars belief considering near every other maunfacturer has replacement batteries that are way cheaper than the ~ £40 asked for a replacement POS.

You could buy a mortgage for the price you pay for an iPhone.

They show such obvious contempt for their customers (forcing you to install iTunes just to put an MP3 on your player, charging a crapload for their products, proprietary parts for everything, erasing your data for no good reason when replacing the battery, etc). How do they stay in business?

I love the iPhone hating going on in here. Its pretty hilarious.

I've not used an iPhone and don't intend to buy one given the pretty huge cost at this point (can only hope it goes down in price when it finally makes it to Europe) - but whilst I don't buy into Steve Jobs's "5 years ahead of the competition" nonsense, I feel it pretty well out classes a lot of the competition in other ways.

This week at work we looked into and purchased a few HP iPaq's with, mobile phone built in too.. needed something at work to jot some stuff down and it made sense to spend a little more and eliminate the need to carry a phone also. Sprung out a discounted £287'ish on some iPaq rw6815's and I can only say what an enormous dissappointment the product is. Firstly - crashing. It does it, a lot. Twice during the process of trying to get it sync'd up and charged with my PC. Secondly.. the UI.. jesus, I was using the same interface when I was working with Dell Axim's about 4 to 5 years ago.. haven't Microsoft moved on at ALL? Thirdly - dreadful applications - right down to the fiddly stylus, the WiFi support which seems to engage and disengage itself at will... I could go on but I won't.

But at that price, i'd rather pay for an iPhone (dollars to english pounds mean they'd cost the same.. and the iPhone has considerably more built in storage than the iPaq) on contract that buy one of these for my personal use.. and its pretty clear the iPhone would nail it in terms of ALL features.

Microsoft offers NO competition to the iPhone. Nokia.. well i've not used the N95 much but I suspect they're going to be a lot closer. But my experience with the N70 soured my feelings for Nokia a little.. my new 6300, whilst considerably feature stripped compared to the N70, is a lot better...

This is nothing new. Apple has been ripping customers the very same way with iPod batteries. Apple overprices and micromanages everything they sell and its the very reason they're not #1 in the PC market. PCs would still cost $5000 if Apple had its way. Microsoft certainly isn't innocent. They just rip the people a new one in software

My 4th Gen iPod battery is 3 years old and still in great condition and using it on a daily basis from september to june and sometimes during the summer. There's no need to change the battery of these things actually, when the battery dies, the product is totally outdated.

LMAO, you can't seriously believe that tripe. it's an MP3 player, if it still plays MP3's it isn';t that far out of date, oh yeah i forgot, they made one slightly small change to the new model so the old one is useless.

Yeah, but when the battery will die, will I want to pay another 80 bucks for an iPod that doesn't even have a color display? I'd prefer paying the whole price and buy a brand new product.

Yeah, it still plays MP3, but an iPod is supposed to be much more. It's not expensive for nothing, just to play MP3s. Or maybe you think it is.

Think before laughing at others.

PsykX said,
My 4th Gen iPod battery is 3 years old and still in great condition and using it on a daily basis from september to june and sometimes during the summer. There's no need to change the battery of these things actually, when the battery dies, the product is totally outdated.

It's not the companies decision to decide when the product will be "outdated" or not. Its the customer's decision. Apple taking that right off the customers is uncalled for.

I still use my Nokia 6100 and I purchased it 4 years ago, outdated? I think not.

PsykX said,
Yeah, but when the battery will die, will I want to pay another 80 bucks for an iPod that doesn't even have a color display? I'd prefer paying the whole price and buy a brand new product.

Yeah, it still plays MP3, but an iPod is supposed to be much more. It's not expensive for nothing, just to play MP3s. Or maybe you think it is.

Think before laughing at others.


If you're concerned about features you still shouldn't be getting an iPod considering most of the other players do more now. And you can't tell me they're all ugly.

PsykX said,
Yeah, but when the battery will die, will I want to pay another 80 bucks for an iPod that doesn't even have a color display? I'd prefer paying the whole price and buy a brand new product.

Yeah, it still plays MP3, but an iPod is supposed to be much more. It's not expensive for nothing, just to play MP3s. Or maybe you think it is.

Think before laughing at others.

thinking thinking thinking, ok now can i laugh

ROFLMAO

all you apple buts say apple hjas more more more, but everyone else sees it as having less less less, my question to you is, what the hell is this more you are talkign about?? please please don't tell me it look s pretty and is easy to use, i am so sick of hearing that crap from apple users

whocares68 : STFU. First I don't even understand what you're talking about because you can't write english. **** it isn't even my first language and I know how to write it better than you......

If you're talking about the iPod or the iPhone (otherwise you're totally off-topic...), yes they are all easy to use, they look pretty and all.
Yes, other MP3 players are also pretty and easy to use. I just prefer Apple's style, what do you want.

Oh and did I really say Apple has more to offer? Generally, I'd agree that Apple has it, while many others don't. They are better than the average, but they don't have everything.

PsykX said,
whocares68 : STFU. First I don't even understand what you're talking about because you can't write english. **** it isn't even my first language and I know how to write it better than you......

If you're talking about the iPod or the iPhone (otherwise you're totally off-topic...), yes they are all easy to use, they look pretty and all.
Yes, other MP3 players are also pretty and easy to use. I just prefer Apple's style, what do you want.

Oh and did I really say Apple has more to offer? Generally, I'd agree that Apple has it, while many others don't. They are better than the average, but they don't have everything.


On the english ummm whocares:) maybe neowin needs to add a spell check I will try and say this in clear English for you so you can have no excuse for not answering my questions clearly.

In regards to what I am talking about, you said and i quote

"Yeah, it still plays MP3, but an iPod is supposed to be much more"

I would like to know what this "more" you mention is all about, why is it ok for Apple™ to charge so much more money for the same thing or sometimes even less functionality than other manufacturers. I do not consider "it looks pretty and it's easy to use" as viable arguments to say it is worth more money

I'll just wait for the Icar.....because then it will have all them gadgets...course I'm sure the Icar will cost 125,000...but its 21st Century Technology.

hell yeah and it might even be driveable although i am sure you have to buy the apple road map cause any normal one won't work. and it won't have a steering wheel, or even brakes, but it will be iPod and iPhone compatible so i guess that will make it hell sweet also i think you may be a little reasonable on the price, hey a porshe is only that much, i am guessing 1 mill. you know because it is sooo pretty and all adn easy to use

LMAO

jwjw1 said,
I'll just wait for the Icar.....because then it will have all them gadgets...course I'm sure the Icar will cost 125,000...but its 21st Century Technology.

Rumor has it that when the Icar runs out of gas, you have to pay for a transport to Cupertino for them to refuel it for you. :nuts:

RangerLG said,
Will it have a sealed battery too?

Sealed engine. So if anything breaks down, you have to pay for a new iCar.

spacer said,

Sealed engine. So if anything breaks down, you have to pay for a new iCar.

slightly incorrect you only have to send it back and get the engine replaced, but they do it in a week and of course all your money gets taken out the ash tray

id take it back to the store and get a refund fast. get a ps3, hell, atleast they arent ripping people off, they just make things that actually cost the value they are priced :P

the PS3 is way way over priced.. That's why its mot selling all that good.. An plus i know alot of people who took there PS3 back because they said it sucked assed and no good games to play on the damm thing....

But if u have said... Take the IPhone back and get urself a Nintendo or a xbox360. then i would have to agree...

Sn4k36 said,
the PS3 is way way over priced.. That's why its mot selling all that good.. An plus i know alot of people who took there PS3 back because they said it sucked assed and no good games to play on the damm thing....

But if u have said... Take the IPhone back and get urself a Nintendo or a xbox360. then i would have to agree...

Well, there you go! Sony should sell the PS3 to Apple. Apple will change the case, slap a logo on it and then sell it for twice as much and people will kill to get one!

TheReasonIFailed said,

Well, there you go! Sony should sell the PS3 to Apple. Apple will change the case, slap a logo on it and then sell it for twice as much and people will kill to get one!

LMAO +1 it's funny cause it's true

I thought iphone has locked SIM cards that you cannot take the SIM card out yourself?
So you shipping them the SIM card, too?
How about mixed-up SIM cards :lol:

everyone says $85. But it's not really $85.

It's $85 + $29 you have to pay for a 'loaner' phone...

or

It's $85 + at least a WHOLE week of being without your phone.

Plus, what happens if the phone gets lost in the mail?

Then think about it... they said Apple sold like half a million iPhones the first weekend or something, right? If they all get ~ 400 charges, that means, in about a year, there will be .5+ million people sending in phones for battery replacements. Think apple will fix them all in a couple days? Doubt it.

If they offered a battery where you can bring it in for an instant change in an Apple store, than it'd kind of be acceptable. To send my phone away for a new battery? F THAT.

For simply replacing a freaking battery, all this is just beyond... many things. I think the sole purpose of this is to make money, which I could care less about if it just wasn't for something completely unnecessary.

Wow Apple really likes to milk people out of their money. I don't care what the product is, charging $85 to replace a battery is NOT acceptable.

wow people calm down, anyone stupid enough to buy this thing deserves a price tag of 85.95 to replace a battery, not to mention the loss of the data.


just a add: This thing will be cracked open and a replacement video will be on youtube in less than a month.

my 2 c.

What some people seem to forget (quite easily and often) is theres much more to having a removable battery then just having the ability. It requires a major hardware redesign, in addition it would require the use of more physical space making the iPhone bulky just so you could remove your battery?

Apples known for its design more than anything, and having your removable battery would void all of that. Non removable is a good thing for Apple, in terms of money, design, and engineering. It sucks a bit for the customer when the battery does eventually die, but I'd much rather have a smooth flush and thin phone than a bulky phone with different latches to unlock the battery.

and lets see how long those batteries really last.
spoken like a true apple fanboy, 'its about looking cool, not being cheap' lol

and maybe to you its easy to sync files but im sure not everyone is computer literate. plus you shouldn't have to backup your files, hell you shouldn't have to send it in for a battery replacement!

Xero said,
What some people seem to forget (quite easily and often) is theres much more to having a removable battery then just having the ability. It requires a major hardware redesign, in addition it would require the use of more physical space making the iPhone bulky just so you could remove your battery?

Apples known for its design more than anything, and having your removable battery would void all of that. Non removable is a good thing for Apple, in terms of money, design, and engineering. It sucks a bit for the customer when the battery does eventually die, but I'd much rather have a smooth flush and thin phone than a bulky phone with different latches to unlock the battery.

lol. Wow, getting defensive.

Look, I just changed my N95's battery right here. Took 10 seconds. I didn't sync, or lose data. Oh, and I did it myself, without being without a phone for at least a week.

what if you don't have a PC/MAc, what if you don't sync, i never sync my phone yet it has the capability, why becasuei idon't need to. i synced it when i first got it to get my phone numbers but since then i have never synced it, and i woudl loose all my data if it were an iphone and it needed a new batery. Jus because you would be fine and not be affected it does not mean every other person in the world will be the same. and syncing does go both ways.

First off, not a fanboy, I like Apple, but they are far from perfect. I'm looking at this from someone with a brain. Lets start from the top. The battery will likely last a few years, my iPod's battery is still fine after 2 years. Not to mention most people replace their cell every few years, so having to dish out 80 for a battery isn't that pricey in reality. Also being without a cell for a week? Perhaps you need to learn how to read, because Apple will give you a loaner iPhone for 30 bucks.

Next as for backing up your data? What exactly are you backing up, all your information for your iPhone numbers aside all originated from the computer, if anything your backing it up onto your iPhone. Music, Contacts, Email, Bookmarks. These are all things that don't need backing up, they are something thats coming from your computer, try and grasp that concept.

Next as for what if they don't have a computer? Why the hell would they buy an iPhone if they didn't have a computer, besides you literally need a computer to get it activated, so I don't think not having a computer is going to be an issue in this era.

As for the phone not being bulky, the iPhone is a little more advanced than your average cellphone yet its still thinner than nearly everything else. The N95 is thicker than the iPhone, so theres your answer. As for where do I base my opinion on batteries? have your looked at cellphones, theres your answer, or talk to someone who knows what they are talking about and they will explain it.

The one I will agree with is Apple could have done it right in the beginning and made it removable with still reducing size if they planned it in the beginning, but not only would that make the phone bigger than it currently is, even if its not a lot, and it will require Apple to break their "laws" of design, which I doubt they will do.

Bottom line is some people like to pay more for things that look good, look at most Apples product line, similar hardware to PC makers yet it costs more? Why? Design, and Engineering, Macs are hell of a lot more compact and better built than most manufacturers so they cost more, why did you expect different with the iPhone?

Xero said,
What some people seem to forget (quite easily and often) is theres much more to having a removable battery then just having the ability. It requires a major hardware redesign, in addition it would require the use of more physical space making the iPhone bulky just so you could remove your battery?

Apples known for its design more than anything, and having your removable battery would void all of that. Non removable is a good thing for Apple, in terms of money, design, and engineering. It sucks a bit for the customer when the battery does eventually die, but I'd much rather have a smooth flush and thin phone than a bulky phone with different latches to unlock the battery.

Look at the Blackberry 8800, Curve or pearl to see how to design a product to have a removable, user replacable battery without sacrificing looks or style.

For most people, having to go 5-7 days without a phone is just a deal breaker and absolutly not possible.

You could buy a PS3 at that price Apple is selling that thing, and the PS3 has more software available to it (that's saying a lot).

Xero said,
the battery does eventually die, but I'd much rather have a smooth flush and thin phone than a bulky phone with different latches to unlock the battery.

Yea. That Razr is one bulky piece of crap!

Every other phone on the market has a removable battery and most of them are really really small. do you have any basis for what you say. sounds pretty ludicrous to me, oh yeah and p.s it's only redisigning it becasue they designed it bad in the first place.

and if anyone is going to edit my post for me, can you at least leave a reason for doign so adn not remove the whole point of what i was writing


which part of the brain are you cliaiming you have, i am guessing the left, isn't that the "artistic side" well i am guessing being an apple lover.

OK on the battery thing, if these things never needed replacing you would not have so many after market batteries you can buy, how is apples battery goign to be so much better than the rest. LMAO it's all ok you can pay even more and apple wil lend you a phone, how many peoples hands have been all over that thing??

You really have no idea, you can activate it via at&T so you do not NEED a computer, many people with ipods i am sure do not havea computer, in fact i know a few. to say noone that buys one wil not have a computer is just ridiculous, as for the backups it's the numbers i am worried about loosing so i don't get what you are goign on about. all the other crap is easy to get back. it's the numbers that arent

I don't get how it is so much more advanced, what the hell do you and all these others mean by that, you can't just say its so far advanced and not have anythign to back up your claims.

The size well my phone is like a centimetre thick , looking at it now and i can remove the battery quite easily, how will making a battery remoavable make it so much bigger and uglier, i really just don't get where you are coming from, and saying, talk to someone that knows, i will because you my friend obviously don't.

bottom line is mac lovers are nmot the smartest users in the world, hence they have to make it so much easier to use.

Anyone that would buy a phone that doesn't have a replaceable battery i....let me restate that. Anyone that would pay $600 for phone...

This is like this, a Ferrari owner does not worry about repair prices, or even gasoline prices... If you can afford teh car, why the hell not the cost of maintenance and extras...

Just my 2¢

hahah what is it with mac loosers comparing the iPhone to a top of the range car, hello ferrari is couple of hundred thousand dollars, if you have one you ARE rich, iPhone is less than 1000, anyone can buy one if they really want, and you do not have to be a millionaire to be able to afford the insurance etc.

what you are saying is this phones really really pretty so i don't care how much all the extra crap costs,

oh yeah P.S. i think everyone that buys a ferrari knows it's gonna cost them ****loads to keep it adn repair it so your comparison is just stupid i.e. one thing that costs $200000 or more and one that costs $600 or so.

What the hell! I could bye a new battery for my Nokia for $50, no post, no need to rent a new phone, and NOT lose any data.

God this phone blows.

Ha ha ha......serves them right for buying version 1.0 of something Apple released.
I bet Steve Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank! He's probably thinking "what suckers,
I fooled them with the original iPod, now I've got em again with the iPhone"

naap51stang said,
Ha ha ha......serves them right for buying version 1.0 of something Apple released.
I bet Steve Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank! He's probably thinking "what suckers,
I fooled them with the original iPod, now I've got em again with the iPhone"

and what revision is the iPod on now? and you still can't do anything about its battery....

damn theres something really wrong with people who still like this phone. either that or they just got too much money to spend.

apple is always gunna do this, making users unable to replace the battery and jack up the price for a replacement, plus to use any of their hardware, you gotta use their software.
if ms tried to pull any this off everyone would be screaming foul play.
but of course its apple so thats ok.

it gets harder to believe people actually like apple cause its better technology and not because they like the name brand and want to 'be different'

go play in traffic

My concern for this scheme is pretty basic. It comes down to "Invasion Of Privacy", "Illegal Search & Seizure" and several other personal rights.

If you have an iPhone and back-up ALL of your content to iTunes, what would prevent Apple from checking on your content to see if you have anything on it that has circumvented or bypassed Apple's DRM bits? How ****ed-off will you be when you recover your content from iTunes and find that some of the content you had (that you intentionally placed on your iPhone and got around the DRM bits) is now missing?

And some people hate Microsoft...I'm utterly amazed at the "bovine fecal excrement" that comes from Apple.

Would Apple do this? Who knows? People all got in a huff about Microsofts WGA and product activation scheme; if anything coming close to what I invisioned will iPhone owners be as fair to Apple as they were to Microsoft?

(/humor -on)Also, did you know that each and every iPhone made is touched by "The Steve" so that a portion of his "Reality Distorion Field" is eternally part of every iPhone?
(/humor -off)

--ScottKin

All your data is released? Pretty much means you won't be getting your exact iPhone back. Hopefully they don't let a scratched one slip through the cracks. I'd sure be ****ed spending such a ridiculous price for a battery and then getting someone else's phone and then find out it has scratches on the screen to boot. Who wants to bet Apple would claim responsibility?

Pretty bad when *this* passes as 21st technology/service.

First iPods and now iPhones - what a cult so many mindless follow. This is why I don't own either. Waste of money. Sometimes it's nice to be away from noise for a change.

I know apple lovers are going to scream at me for saying this but that is a freaking rip off!.... because you know they wont send you YOUR phone back, they will probably give you a refurbished one to replace it.... they should of just put a freaking battery hatch on the thing.. and sold extra batteries... yeah I knows someone is gona come in here defending apple screaming "why would you ever need a new battery" use common sense and figure it out yourself why... because I've worked with businesses for years now and we ALWAYS have to buy our heavy use employees two batteries to carry with them when they need them... and yes they will use them too because of the excessive amount of talking executives do on cell phones on the road... they will use up a battery swap it with another one then charge the drained battery in an external charger... what do they do with this? get two phones? please.... then they will come here and say well its not for corporate people... I mean stop it with the excuses... because you darn well know its a status thing and corporate people WILL want it to show off.....

wow, what kind of battery last for only about 2 years, but cost 80$???? hell, even car batteries last longer and cost less! i hope all apple fanboys see how apple is milking them. at least you got a name brand product huh....

I'm sure all the fanboys think its worth it just because it has some new "revolutionary" interface. Haha and they tried to talk smack to PC users that vista is nothing new and just eye candy.

Yet look at the POS they just bought. All eye candy and nothing more.

ludeboy12 said,
I'm sure all the fanboys think its worth it just because it has some new "revolutionary" interface. Haha and they tried to talk smack to PC users that vista is nothing new and just eye candy.

Yet look at the POS they just bought. All eye candy and nothing more.

To be honest, the same could be said of Leopard.

ludeboy12 said,
I'm sure all the fanboys think its worth it just because it has some new "revolutionary" interface. Haha and they tried to talk smack to PC users that vista is nothing new and just eye candy.

Yet look at the POS they just bought. All eye candy and nothing more.

What are you talking about? You do realise this is a phone and not an Apple Mac. I doubt all buyers have Apples as well and plus there are many things an iPhone does properly that other phones use as a gimmick. It's comments like this that draw me away from Neowin.

imachip said,

What are you talking about? You do realise this is a phone and not an Apple Mac. I doubt all buyers have Apples as well and plus there are many things an iPhone does properly that other phones use as a gimmick. It's comments like this that draw me away from Neowin.

Nevermind the many standard fearures NOT on the phone.....

Its a POS not worth the money it was marked up to. WOW i can use 2 fingers to zoom images!!! brag about it when that is a feature thats worth having. Dualtouch is pointless at the time.

AltecXP said,

Nevermind the many standard fearures NOT on the phone.....

Its a POS not worth the money it was marked up to. WOW i can use 2 fingers to zoom images!!! brag about it when that is a feature thats worth having. Dualtouch is pointless at the time.

Again just because you don't like the phone it's wrong to say 'POS' because you sound like a 13 year old who whines as you can't get one yourself. Whatever you may say, it's new and it's more usable than any other phone out there, and features that it lacks may be made through software updates. If you think its too expensive, wait until it drops in price. Like any new toy/gadget/mobile, it comes down in price over time. If I could afford it I'd buy one, not just for the looks but the messaging features, iPod integration and Safari.

imachip said,

What are you talking about? You do realise this is a phone and not an Apple Mac. I doubt all buyers have Apples as well and plus there are many things an iPhone does properly that other phones use as a gimmick. It's comments like this that draw me away from Neowin.

thats good because your comments are just stupid i keep aksing all you apple fan boys one simple question yet i have not had an answer

Name ONE feature of the iPhone that is not available in an other phone????

I do realise it's a phone hence i would expect your average phone features, at least tri band, and being able to change my battery and ringtones.

(imachip said @ #5.5)
Again just because you don't like the phone it's wrong to say 'POS' because you sound like a 13 year old who whines as you can't get one yourself. Whatever you may say, it's new and it's more usable than any other phone out there, and features that it lacks may be made through software updates. If you think its too expensive, wait until it drops in price. Like any new toy/gadget/mobile, it comes down in price over time. If I could afford it I'd buy one, not just for the looks but the messaging features, iPod integration and Safari.

I am not 13 actually over double that, i actually have an idea of technology and understand it, yet i agree the iphone is a POS, i can afford one quite easily, i could probably even afford about 30 of them but there is no way in hell i would be stupid enough to buy one.

hello i have to send it back to apple to get the battery replaced, and i LOOSE all my data durign the process, that is beyond ridiculous, and apple should have learnt their lesson with the iPod battery fiasco.

To be honest, the same could be said of Leopard.

Please tell me you don't use / like Vista.. because I think the irony in that statement would be too much to bear.

oh those poor iphone owners... 1st $600 of the phone, then 4+ hours wait just to turn it on... now $85 for a new battery ROTFL

Yes they are and they are in their right to do so if people line up to buy their products so have their way with them. If you dont like it you can go elsewere for a cellphone. People knew ahead of time that the user was unable to change the battery easily, and that it would ultimatly require a service.

With that said anyone thinking that the next gen iPhone will have a user replaceable battery is quite simply, stupid, because if it was going to happen it would have happened back when the iPods had that lawsuit about the battery lifespan and then apple consequentially changed the 'fine print' to mention that batteries have a limited ammount of charging cycles. Also 90 bucks (after taxes) is a lot for a replacement battery hell you can get a laptop batter for about that price in some cases and the laptop batteries have more cells and power a much more hungy device (point being you dont get as much for your money if you need to replace the iPhone battery with this service).

Finally the price may seem like a lot but anyone buying the phone + a plan should have little difficulty affording the battery replacement service.