Apple announces iOS 5.0

Today at the annual WWDC event, Steve Jobs took the stage to announce the new flagship of software suites for Mac and iDevices. Apple recently announced the upcoming iOS 5.0 firmware, but today it finally unveiled what the company has been working on for over a year now.

The company announced that to date, they have had more than 14 billion downloads, with over 90,000 iPad apps. They have paid developers more than $2.5 billion dollars so far.

Apple started off the new feature list with notifications. Apple has removed the old notification popup system for a more inline notification system, making it less annoying when you're watching a video or playing a game. The 'notification center' will act similar to Android, where your menu swipes down, revealing alerts for all of your phone, messages, emails and more. The notification center is even on your lock screen too.

The lock screen has received a major update, allowing for notifications from apps, messages, and even listening to voice mail without having to slide to unlock the phone.

iOS 5.0 also comes with 'Newsstand', a new subscription-based application that has a ton of newspaper and magazine companies on board, including New York Times, SF Chronicle, Daily Telegraph, and more.

Apple introduced a new Twitter integration for iOS 5.0, making it easier for users to post photos, maps, articles from Safari and attachments with a new 'Tweet' option.

Safari also received a number of updates, including the new reader button for your documents. Safari in iOS 5.0 now comes with a "reading list" feature, so you can come back and read a bookmarked page later, without saving it to your bookmarks.

Next up, mobile Safari now comes with tabs! No more annoying stacked option menu, but now it's located under your toolbar bookmark menu.

The camera app finally received a much deserved update, to include some of the new updates from Apple. First up, is a camera button shortcut on your lockscreen, making it easier to quickly take a picture of events that just can't wait. If the moment can't wait that long, you can use your volume up button to take pictures now, bypassing your lockscreen - but don't worry, your existing photos will be secure. Apple also included a photo touch-up app.

Apple is once again updating their mail app, adding new search, flag and spam and security options. There is even a built-in dictionary option, prompting the user with a popup when they click the "define" option.

If you've ever typed on the iPad, you may notice that reaching the keys in the middle can sometimes be difficult. Apple has now changed up the layout of the keyboard. There will not be two floating keyboards on either side, allowing you to just type with your thumbs while holding it firmly in your hands.

iOS 5.0 now does wireless syncing with iTunes. You'll be able to finally ditch the cable (other than charging) and sync and receive updates directly on your device, without having to connect to your PC or Mac.

The Game Center also is now more social network friendly, to make sharing and playing games with friends easier.

Last up, Apple introduced iMessage. The new instant messaging service allows any iDevice (iPhone, iPod touch and iPad) to communicate with each other. The new application is very similar to the SMS application, but is completely free. Similar to BBM (BlackBerry Messenger), the application allows you and your friends to instant message one another, from anywhere in the world, without the added roaming charges. iMessage requires WiFi or 3G to send and receive.

iOS 5.0 beta will be made available later today for the following iDevices:

  • iPhone 4 (GSM and CDMA)
  • iPhone 3GS
  • iPod touch (4th generation)
  • iPod touch (3rd generation)
  • iPad 2 (GSM, CDMA and WiFi)
  • iPad (GSM and WiFi)
  • Apple TV 2G

iOS 5.0 will ship this fall to consumers.

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I am a 3GS user, all the widgets are disabled on the home screen for me however the notifications do come up like on the iphone 4! My phone is running a bit slow too but loving the iCloud backup though


The 'notification center' will act similar to Android, where your menu swipes down, revealing alerts for all of your phone, messages, emails and more. The notification center is even on your lock screen too.

soon very soon we will hear.... duh that was introduced by apple way long ago than android..

mark my words some one will say this

radwimp said,
how about swype or something apple
Exactly! Didn't Apple buy Nuance or something a while back? Nuance bought Shapewriter, so Apple should be able to integrate that feature in iOS5 ... it's strange that they haven't done so.

The camera app finally received a much deserved update, to include some of the new updates from Apple. First up, is a camera button shortcut on your lockscreen, making it easier to quickly take a picture of events that just can't wait.

Well it appears the WP7 commericials and WP7's speed in accessing features like the Camera was something even Apple noticed and is trying to give their users. So even if people hate WP7, this is one thing they can thank WP7 for when using iOS 5.

XerXis said,
Still no turn-by-turn navigation

I have turn-by-turn navigation with the free Waze and with the free iGO lite

its quite funny how android and now apple have started to copy stuff from wp7 now, that should start to tell you something..... give it a year then lets compare what and who is the better phone.

korupt_one said,
its quite funny how android and now apple have started to copy stuff from wp7 now, that should start to tell you something..... give it a year then lets compare what and who is the better phone.

It is funny how WP7 copies from Android and iPhone. No cut&paste, no multitasking, no print screen, no front camera/video chat.... And more funnier is that no one buys WP7 (except some geeks).

I don't know if anyone has noticed but the Appstore/iCloud is operational in iOS4. Just go to Appstore on iPhone/iPad and look for updates. You will see a new bar with "Purchased". Selecting it you will get 2 tabs : All, Not On This iPhone. All downloaded apps will appear, some with a cloud+a download arrow (not on the iPhone/iPad - could be apps deleted or downloaded on another iOS device).

alexalex said,
I don't know if anyone has noticed but the Appstore/iCloud is operational in iOS4. Just go to Appstore on iPhone/iPad and look for updates. You will see a new bar with "Purchased". Selecting it you will get 2 tabs : All, Not On This iPhone. All downloaded apps will appear, some with a cloud+a download arrow (not on the iPhone/iPad - could be apps deleted or downloaded on another iOS device).

This was announced during the keynote. A beta of certain iCloud features is available for iOS 4.3.3. The iTunes features are US-only though.

.... and they completely copied andriod's notification drop down screen >.>
and how does apple tv get this update, that doesn't even make sense

I still cant believe that they did not add Photo Folders. I have over 1,600 photos and wish i could sort them into folders. apple get off your LAZY @$$ and make this a feature. all they did was took ideas that the jailbreak community. I swear ppl from the jailbreak community should sue apple for taking there ideas.

clldc said,
I still cant believe that they did not add Photo Folders. I have over 1,600 photos and wish i could sort them into folders. apple get off your LAZY @$ and make this a feature. all they did was took ideas that the jailbreak community. I swear ppl from the jailbreak community should sue apple for taking there ideas.

They are adding the ability to create photo albums on your iDevice with iOS 5. I presume this is what you meant.

I think Samsung's lawyers started jumping up and down when they heard about this. Wonder if Apple's ridiculous lawsuit will be thrown out now.

Didn't anyone else notice the fact that they showed TEN of the iOS5 New Features out of TWO HUNDRED altogether? No? Point is, there IS a lot more to be shown off and unveiled.

Give it time, the release is 3-4 months away.

Nuance bought Shapewriter. Then, Apple bought Nuance (I think). Where the heck is the swipe keyboard integration in iOS 5 then? I certainly hope to see this feature by the time iOS 5 is released.

Alot of welcome updates where iOS lacked behind. The notification system of iOS was terrible from the start and to be honest, they should of looked at this a while ago! But still, some welcome additions to iOS which is refining a fantastic mobile OS.

For hype from the iCon man.
All ideas stolen from, Android,Blackberry and Google.

The Mac cultists will open their wallets again
Fools never learn

Boojiboy said,
Wow I don't think I read one positive comment. Kinda makes me feel a little blue with all the negativity.

wierd really, the ones who feel they must comment are the ones who don't even own a iOS device, all rather sad from their point of view

evo_spook said,

wierd really, the ones who feel they must comment are the ones who don't even own a iOS device, all rather sad from their point of view


It's a defensive stance due to people perceiving Apple a threat. If they didn't feel affected by Apple, they would feel absolutely no need to write it off. They wouldn't even read the news item.

Yes Android and Windows phones probably did have a notification system but iOS didn't. Is it because others have it that it's no longer a new feature for Apple? They listened, once more, to global feedback and added the feature. It's new so therefore they can announce it. I don't understand why everyone is being so negative, I just think it's good that they add the features everyone want. It takes a while but in the end, they do come.

At least, that's my opinion. And that's said from someone who uses an iPhone but also an Android device.

The disadvantage is that a lot of 3rd party apps will disappear and maybe the "after-buying-service" will not be that good anymore.

Most people will hate on Apple because they are the ones who say things like "Redmond, Start Your Photocopiers?", and create controversial ads (I'm a Mac, I'm a PC), they block a developer's app for using the volume button as a camera trigger but they do it themselves. That's how they get all the attention, and they love it, so don't feel bad for them lol .

If you've ever typed on the iPad, you may notice that reaching the keys in the middle can sometimes be "default" (YOU MEAN "DIFFICULT"?). Apple has now changed up the layout of the keyboard. There will "not" (YOU MEAN "NOW"?) be two floating keyboards on either side, allowing you to just type with your thumbs while holding it firmly in your hands.

i;m actually surprised Apple didnt have atleast some of the features like notification system already.

"Apple has now changed up the layout of the keyboard. There will not be two floating keyboards on either side, allowing you to just type with your thumbs while holding it firmly in your hands."
Win8 keyboard will be magical!

Critical Error said,
"Apple has now changed up the layout of the keyboard. There will not be two floating keyboards on either side, allowing you to just type with your thumbs while holding it firmly in your hands."
Win8 keyboard will be magical!

Oh I can't wait for the iOS update for the thumb keyboard. Oh wait I have an Android, I can just download that off the Android Market.

Another Apple FAIL!

so verizon iPhone users will finally be in sync with a&t users meaning both will have iOS 5?

Pretty disappointing WWDC, I don't think any of those features are iOS 5 worthy. Wireless iTunes syncing - does that mean it syncs with my iTunes on my laptop, providing my laptop is on? Guess its handy if you are out and about and want to sync stuff to your laptop and don't have your cable. Usually I sync new music to my phone before I leave the house on any planned trips and in which case my cable would be on my desk beside or near my laptop. Its not really a huge feature.
Notification revamp, is ok I guess but nothing major and as for the News Stand app? why the hell is it part of iOS 5, why not let it be an app on its own. I'm never gonna use it, if iBooks can be an app on its own, why can't news stand.

What an anti climax, no new features, no innovation, just a rip off. I'm an iPhone fan, a big iPhone fan. I've had the iPhone 1,2,3 & 4. Quick camera access is good, althou I'm not sure if the quick acess takes a picture or just brings up the camera app and then I have to take a picture.

Bit disappointed here to night, iOS keynote as the big thing doesn't have much of an impact without it's side kick ie. the hardware, not to mention having to wait to September to get it. Should have stuck to its usual schedule. They have lost a lot of ground this year. Reminds me of microsoft, Apple who starting leading the touchscreen market are now playing catch up.

joemailey said,
Pretty disappointing WWDC, I don't think any of those features are iOS 5 worthy. Wireless iTunes syncing - does that mean it syncs with my iTunes on my laptop, providing my laptop is on? Guess its handy if you are out and about and want to sync stuff to your laptop and don't have your cable. Usually I sync new music to my phone before I leave the house on any planned trips and in which case my cable would be on my desk beside or near my laptop. Its not really a huge feature.
Notification revamp, is ok I guess but nothing major and as for the News Stand app? why the hell is it part of iOS 5, why not let it be an app on its own. I'm never gonna use it, if iBooks can be an app on its own, why can't news stand.

What an anti climax, no new features, no innovation, just a rip off. I'm an iPhone fan, a big iPhone fan. I've had the iPhone 1,2,3 & 4. Quick camera access is good, althou I'm not sure if the quick acess takes a picture or just brings up the camera app and then I have to take a picture.

Bit disappointed here to night, iOS keynote as the big thing doesn't have much of an impact without it's side kick ie. the hardware, not to mention having to wait to September to get it. Should have stuck to its usual schedule. They have lost a lot of ground this year. Reminds me of microsoft, Apple who starting leading the touchscreen market are now playing catch up.


no new features?

lol

Call Notifications a "rip-off" if you want, but that's still a feature.

Split keyboard....instantly reminds me the demo of Windows 8, I am sure when Windows 8 launch people will say MS copied Apple

Active-X said,
Split keyboard....instantly reminds me the demo of Windows 8, I am sure when Windows 8 launch people will say MS copied Apple

Yep definately reminded me too . Blatent Apple ripping off... (not sarcasm btw )

Gothic_Rebel said,
And iPhone 3G Compat ? Guess not. FRAK...

iPhone 3G support along with iPod Touch 2G ended at iOS 4.2.1 and 4.3.3 is out for GSM devices...

Martog said,

iPhone 3G support along with iPod Touch 2G ended at iOS 4.2.1 and 4.3.3 is out for GSM devices...


That still bloody sucks.

On a side note then. What do i upgrade to WP7, iPhone 4 / 4S ? hmm

Gothic_Rebel said,

That still bloody sucks.

On a side note then. What do i upgrade to WP7, iPhone 4 / 4S ? hmm


That should depend on the apps IMO. The base software for iOS / Android / WP7 is so similar nowadays anyway. These choices depend more on exclusive killer apps on the various platforms to me. The app store and ecosystem makes the phone.

Looks like they are pretty much ripping off even more from jailbroken apps.

Seems like every major release they rip off more and more from jailbroken apps.

It has always been like that..
That's why you gotta jailbreak your phone for all those features a non-jailbroken iPhone can't offer you
Like BiteSMS which is by far superior to the normal message app.

Xilo said,
Looks like they are pretty much ripping off even more from jailbroken apps.

Seems like every major release they rip off more and more from jailbroken apps.

Except they hired the guy who created the jail-broken app to help make this one.

satus said,
Split keyboard. OMG - The copy machine is indeed so quick

the Win8 demo was not the first time MS showed of the split thumb keyboard, they showed it quite some time ago as well as one of their touch device experimental UI components.

To everyone that feels the need to bitch and moan about the new feature....stfu. I have finally realized why Apple does this. They take the wait and see approach in terms of new UI elements and if the public likes it and uses it then they create a similar element in the next version.

I have also figured out something even better over the last few months....there is only so many things that you can control and worry about. For those that you cannot control let it go.

BlendedFrog said,
I have finally realized why Apple does this. They take the wait and see approach in terms of new UI elements and if the public likes it and uses it then they create a similar element in the next version.

What is plagiarism? Wait...wrong game.

Hollow.Droid said,

What is plagiarism? Wait...wrong game.

Let me ask you this...what if the droid notification bar was a complete flop and google removed it with 2.3. Would Apple even consider it then? Every company takes ideas from every other company. That's the way of life.

Hollow.Droid said,

What is plagiarism? Wait...wrong game.

LMAO! Indeed.

And honestly, I think that Apple rips ideas from others because they cannot innovate. They really don't have any reputation of innovating at all, it's always taking an idea someone else did and attempting to improve upon it. Nothing more.

BlendedFrog said,

Let me ask you this...what if the droid notification bar was a complete flop and google removed it with 2.3. Would Apple even consider it then? Every company takes ideas from every other company. That's the way of life.

I know that companies copy of each other, I'm all for it as they always try to one up each other and the user benefits from this. Your explanation simply sounded a little simplistic, that they sit back and copy all the good elements of other OSs. In this case however some of the improvements seem to be directly as a result of their competitors. The notifications and lock screen additions can be attributed to Android and Sense which feels a bit cheap when you think about how Apple and others attacked Android for trying to copy iOS when their own implementation of these features are strikingly similar.

BlendedFrog said,
Every company takes ideas from every other company. That's the way of life.

So tell me, why did it take Apple this long to copy such a simple feature? The notification system has been criticized for so long now and version 5 is when they get an overhaul? Steve better shut his f****ing mouth in the next quarterly report meeting when Android's numbers are even more impressive thanks to 4G.

Apple is not being criticized that they copied some companies feature. They are being criticized that they copied Google's features. You remember how Steve flipped his wig last year over Android? Well doesn't he look silly now.

UndergroundWire said,

So tell me, why did it take Apple this long to copy such a simple feature? The notification system has been criticized for so long now and version 5 is when they get an overhaul? Steve better shut his f****ing mouth in the next quarterly report meeting when Android's numbers are even more impressive thanks to 4G.

Apple is not being criticized that they copied some companies feature. They are being criticized that they copied Google's features. You remember how Steve flipped his wig last year over Android? Well doesn't he look silly now.

It took them so long for Apple to replace the notification system because they had to wait for someone else to develop something better... LOL

M_Lyons10 said,

It took them so long for Apple to replace the notification system because they had to wait for someone else to develop something better... LOL

Exactly. Wait for an open source company to develop something so Apple doesn't have to pay for R&D

The lack of Facebook integration, but major Twitter integration is very disappointing. Today has reinforced my belief that investing in Windows Phone over iOS was the right decision. I despise Twitter; Facebook does it all so much better (all Facebook needs is a feature similar to trends and possibly hashtags.) Oh well, I'm hoping this leads to more people opting for Windows Phone over iOS, rather than more people opting to use Twitter over Facebook; however, I fear more people will abandon Facebook for Twitter now

Callum said,
The lack of Facebook integration, but major Twitter integration is very disappointing. Today has reinforced my belief that investing in Windows Phone over iOS was the right decision. I despise Twitter; Facebook does it all so much better (all Facebook needs is a feature similar to trends and possibly hashtags.) Oh well, I'm hoping this leads to more people opting for Windows Phone over iOS, rather than more people opting to use Twitter over Facebook; however, I fear more people will abandon Facebook for Twitter now

Yeah, I agree. Why would you integrate with Twitter and not Facebook. WP7 did it right honestly, and is now adding Twitter and LinkedIn... I'm starting to see how WP7 could definitely overtake iOS...

Callum said,
The lack of Facebook integration, but major Twitter integration is very disappointing. Today has reinforced my belief that investing in Windows Phone over iOS was the right decision. I despise Twitter; Facebook does it all so much better (all Facebook needs is a feature similar to trends and possibly hashtags.) Oh well, I'm hoping this leads to more people opting for Windows Phone over iOS, rather than more people opting to use Twitter over Facebook; however, I fear more people will abandon Facebook for Twitter now

I'm guessing the lack of Facebook integration has to do with the fact that MS owns shares in Facebook. Pssshhh Twitter.

bogd said,

I'm guessing the lack of Facebook integration has to do with the fact that MS owns shares in Facebook. Pssshhh Twitter.

I was thinking the same thing. Plus, Apple probably expects Ping to replace Facebook anyway...

M_Lyons10 said,

I was thinking the same thing. Plus, Apple probably expects Ping to replace Facebook anyway...

HA! HAHAHA! In which reality?

M_Lyons10 said,

I was thinking the same thing. Plus, Apple probably expects Ping to replace Facebook anyway...


No, Ping is no Facebook competitor and a music network.

Callum said,
The lack of Facebook integration, but major Twitter integration is very disappointing. Today has reinforced my belief that investing in Windows Phone over iOS was the right decision. I despise Twitter; Facebook does it all so much better (all Facebook needs is a feature similar to trends and possibly hashtags.) Oh well, I'm hoping this leads to more people opting for Windows Phone over iOS, rather than more people opting to use Twitter over Facebook; however, I fear more people will abandon Facebook for Twitter now
I agree with you. The social integration in contacts and images are awesome and unique in WP7. I hope they can dd a feature to make people "favorites" so the phone only shows those newsfeeds in the cintacts hub and not from all you Facebook friends.

I think the Mango approach to messaging, including chat and MMS is the best. Instead of relying on an exclusive feature like BBM or now iMessage (Am I alone to think that this name is horrendous? After all, Apple is good at making up names for their things) in iOS 5.

Those criticizing Apple for copying features from WP7 and Android or Blackberry need to understand that this is how it works for every company, if you can't come up with something unique and useful and the competition has it, just copy it, add a few wringkles and that's it.

It's not bad at all IMHO, but advertising that as unique when more than one competitor already featuring it is wrong.

Hey Guys, I just tried 2 sign into my Apple Developer Account, and the site is down 4 Updating with the Traditional We'll Be Back Soon Message!

kevpan815 said,
Hey Guys, I just tried 2 sign into my Apple Developer Account, and the site is down 4 Updating with the Traditional We'll Be Back Soon Message!

Not sure if you're aware of this, but 2 and 4 are numbers not words.

HawkMan said,

Not sure if you're aware of this, but 2 and 4 are numbers not words.

Haha, thanks for giving me a good laugh.

I'll be honest, as an Android user/fan I was pretty impressed at last years WWDC and a little worried for Android but this years announcements (So far anyhow) seem like smaller refinements to bring it a little more in line with its competitors rather than surpassing them. I had a look at Apples take on notifications, lock screen etc and they have that nice visual flare we expect from Apple but the 'Wow' factor is lacking from this years event. Perhaps this is a testament to the growth and maturity Android has experienced, or maybe just that Apple has slowed down on the 'Wow'-ness

Hollow.Droid said,
I'll be honest, as an Android user/fan I was pretty impressed at last years WWDC and a little worried for Android but this years announcements (So far anyhow) seem like smaller refinements to bring it a little more in line with its competitors rather than surpassing them. I had a look at Apples take on notifications, lock screen etc and they have that nice visual flare we expect from Apple but the 'Wow' factor is lacking from this years event. Perhaps this is a testament to the growth and maturity Android has experienced, or maybe just that Apple has slowed down on the 'Wow'-ness

+1 and they ripped WP7 in the social integration, displaying information on the lock screen, etc...

Hollow.Droid said,
but the 'Wow' factor is lacking from this years event.

What are you talking about. The iFans were wowing the whole time. Do you even know what you are talking? Apple invented the notification bar. This is the best thing since sliced bread. You need to get your facts straight.

Sorry I was talking like a Apple Fan Boy who's head is stuck in the iCloud.

UndergroundWire said,

What are you talking about. The iFans were wowing the whole time. Do you even know what you are talking? Apple invented the notification bar. This is the best thing since sliced bread. You need to get your facts straight.

Sorry I was talking like a Apple Fan Boy who's head is stuck in the iCloud.

Actually iFans are saying, "Oh, so it's like Android's."

bogd said,

Actually iFans are saying, "Oh, so it's like Android's."

This is great Marketing for Android. Apple didn't have to pay for R&D and Google can show off there notification system on iDevices

Petvas said,
iOS 5 is a major release. It makes all other OSes vanish.
I guess you are being sacastic. Hopefully I'm right...

Jonzy said,
Who will be able to download the beta?

Apple;s Beta Testing Policy has always been that only the Mac OSX Users who Pay the $99 U.S.A. Dollar Developer Account Fee And Sign The NDA (Non-Disclosure-Agreement) can Test and Report Bugs 4 Their Beta's!

I know the new notification bar is a direct rip-off of Android, but it's a rip-off that's greatly needed. Kind of like the Windows 7 taskbar is a good rip-off of Mac OS's dock.

MS Lose32 said,
I know the new notification bar is a direct rip-off of Android, but it's a rip-off that's greatly needed. Kind of like the Windows 7 taskbar is a good rip-off of Mac OS's dock.
Windows 7 taskbar rips off the dock? Not even close. The taskbar has been the same, just got a few improvements in 7. The two are pretty different.

tsupersonic said,
Windows 7 taskbar rips off the dock? Not even close. The taskbar has been the same, just got a few improvements in 7. The two are pretty different.
The Mac OS dock is an icon-based program launcher that shows what programs are running, launches them on first click, and switches to them on subsequent clicks. I fail to see how that is very different from the Windows 7 taskbar functionality. Oh you mean it's left justified? Yeah, that's different.

MS Lose32 said,
The Mac OS dock is an icon-based program launcher that shows what programs are running, launches them on first click, and switches to them on subsequent clicks. I fail to see how that is very different from the Windows 7 taskbar functionality. Oh you mean it's left justified? Yeah, that's different.

Hmmm, what you are describing sounds like the "quick launch" area of the Windows95 taskbar, simply merged with the taskbar.

MS Lose32 said,
The Mac OS dock is an icon-based program launcher that shows what programs are running, launches them on first click, and switches to them on subsequent clicks. I fail to see how that is very different from the Windows 7 taskbar functionality. Oh you mean it's left justified? Yeah, that's different.

Of course the task bar has been in Windows since Windows 95 and had the ability to launch new instances of programs with IE 4.0. But Apple has it now so every other company must throw away their prior-art implementation.

nohone said,

Of course the task bar has been in Windows since Windows 95 and had the ability to launch new instances of programs with IE 4.0. But Apple has it now so every other company must throw away their prior-art implementation.

I'm not saying that Apple invented the dock because it didn't. But given that the Windows 7 taskbar's behavior is now much more similar to the Mac OS dock, it's seems a little suspicious, especially when combined with that fact that Mac market-share has been on the rise. I'm not saying at all that the Win7 taskbar is inferior, in fact, I think it's better than the dock because it has Aero Peek. But it's no secret that it's behavior is MUCH more similar to the dock than it was before. It's one of those good rip-offs.

MS Lose32 said,
I'm not saying that Apple invented the dock because it didn't. But given that the Windows 7 taskbar's behavior is now much more similar to the Mac OS dock, it's seems a little suspicious, especially when combined with that fact that Mac market-share has been on the rise. I'm not saying at all that the Win7 taskbar is inferior, in fact, I think it's better than the dock because it has Aero Peek. But it's no secret that it's behavior is MUCH more similar to the dock than it was before. It's one of those good rip-offs.

In which ways is it similar?
Shows running programs - Feature of Win95
Allows you to add programs to the task bar and run them from there - Feature of IE4.0

Not sure where MS copied Appple, being MS had those features before the dock. (Win95 - 1995, IE4.0 - 1997, OSx - 2001)

nohone said,

In which ways is it similar?
Shows running programs - Feature of Win95
Allows you to add programs to the task bar and run them from there - Feature of IE4.0

Not sure where MS copied Appple, being MS had those features before the dock. (Win95 - 1995, IE4.0 - 1997, OSx - 2001)

So the large, text-less, icon based buttons that are now rearrangable, that now have combined launching and switching capabilities, are in no way more similar to the Mac OS dock than they were in XP and Vista? And this time, I'd like a serious response please.

MS Lose32 said,
So the large, text-less, icon based buttons that are now rearrangable, that now have combined launching and switching capabilities, are in no way more similar to the Mac OS dock than they were in XP and Vista? And this time, I'd like a serious response please.

"Large, text-less, icon based buttons" - Quick launch could do that, small or large icons with no text.
"launching capability" - Quick launch, again.
"switching capability" - ok that's semi-new.. just merged over from the taskbar. Probably to save space rather than to copy the dock. Now if these icons bounced around or got magnified or something, then you might have a case that they're getting inspiration from Apple.

MS Lose32 said,
So the large, text-less, icon based buttons that are now rearrangable, that now have combined launching and switching capabilities, are in no way more similar to the Mac OS dock than they were in XP and Vista? And this time, I'd like a serious response please.

To me, MS just streamlined the taskbar (combining quick launch with the traditional taskbar). The only way I would say that it was like the Mac OS X dock is that the app icons are now "live" in a sense that they can display information such as a download's progress.

bogd said,

To me, MS just streamlined the taskbar (combining quick launch with the traditional taskbar). The only way I would say that it was like the Mac OS X dock is that the app icons are now "live" in a sense that they can display information such as a download's progress.

Mac OS dock icons can display info just like the Win7 taskbar. They can display progress bars AND other icons such as message counters.

Enron said,

"Large, text-less, icon based buttons" - Quick launch could do that, small or large icons with no text.
"launching capability" - Quick launch, again.
"switching capability" - ok that's semi-new.. just merged over from the taskbar. Probably to save space rather than to copy the dock. Now if these icons bounced around or got magnified or something, then you might have a case that they're getting inspiration from Apple.

One of them bounces icons while launching while the other one pulsates. One of them can show a progress bar while doing long-winded tasks while the other one can show a progress bar while doing long-winded tasks. Yep, you're right, totally unrelated.

MS Lose32 said,
Mac OS dock icons can display info just like the Win7 taskbar. They can display progress bars AND other icons such as message counters.

I know, that's why I said...

"The only way I would say that it was like the Mac OS X dock is that the app icons are now "live" in a sense that they can display information such as a download's progress."

MS Lose32 said,
I know the new notification bar is a direct rip-off of Android, but it's a rip-off that's greatly needed. Kind of like the Windows 7 taskbar is a good rip-off of Mac OS's dock.

Really? Were you alive when Win95 was released, and they introduced both the Application flipping concept that was comparable to changing channels on a TV, because there was NOTHING in the computing world to use as reference for the concept.

The Win95 taskbar was also a 'tabbed' interface, just think of each item on the Taskbar as a 'Tab', and when users had 3 copies of IE open, with 3 buttons on the 'taskbar', flipping between them was EXACTLY like using the tabs that were introduced in browsers years later.

As for Win7 ripping off the OS X dock, I think you need to really research this a bit more. Some of the major features of the Win7 taskbar is STILL impossible to do on the OS X Dock. Again, research this, there is a big difference. The Dock may have inspired things, but the Dock itself was inspired by the Windows Taskbar as Apple even admited prior to OS X's release. (Sometimes inspiration is a give and take thing, and if Apple and Microsoft don't care, we probably shouldn't either.)

MS Lose32 said,
So the large, text-less, icon based buttons that are now rearrangable, that now have combined launching and switching capabilities, are in no way more similar to the Mac OS dock than they were in XP and Vista? And this time, I'd like a serious response please.

If we have to use your definition, sure that is the same, but it is also the same as Win98, which had these features, according to your definition.

Win7's taskbar is doing a lot more than OS X's dock and in far different ways. Go to the Microsoft site on Windows 7, and watch the 'feature' video on the Win7 dock, you will find it works and is used far differently than the OS X dock.

This is just plain disappointing.

I will definitely switch to Android if 3Gs is not supported for most features..

Xyles said,
This is just plain disappointing.

I will definitely switch to Android if 3Gs is not supported for most features..


Nothing says it won't be.

Lol @ Apple copying Android and BB. But of course for Apple worshipers this is the best thing since sliced bread.

Lexcyn said,
Lol @ Apple copying Android and BB. But of course for Apple worshipers this is the best thing since sliced bread.

Somewhat true, but not there just yet.
If you look at the features, most of them were copied form WP7 first, then Android, and last BlackBerry.

Don't forget the easy to access camera button, like WP7.
Don't forget social media integrated into the OS, like WP7.
Don't forget over the air sync, just like Zune (you know, the really old one that iFans said OTA sync was stupid and unnecessary)
Don't forget IM, which has been done by, well, everyone. But this is exclusive for iOS users!
Don't forget bits of information right there on the lock screen, just like WM 1.0!

nohone said,
Don't forget the easy to access camera button, like WP7.
Don't forget social media integrated into the OS, like WP7.
Don't forget over the air sync, just like Zune (you know, the really old one that iFans said OTA sync was stupid and unnecessary)
Don't forget IM, which has been done by, well, everyone. But this is exclusive for iOS users!
Don't forget bits of information right there on the lock screen, just like WM 1.0!

Wasn't pocket-to-picture patened by MS? Maybe not but not sure.

nohone said,
Don't forget the easy to access camera button, like WP7.
Don't forget social media integrated into the OS, like WP7.
Don't forget over the air sync, just like Zune (you know, the really old one that iFans said OTA sync was stupid and unnecessary)
Don't forget IM, which has been done by, well, everyone. But this is exclusive for iOS users!
Don't forget bits of information right there on the lock screen, just like WM 1.0!

Exactly. There were quite a few WP7 rips in there (Surprised they weren't mentioned in the article)... And of course numerous Android rips, one rip from Blackberry... This keynote was a complete joke.

nohone said,
Don't forget the easy to access camera button, like WP7.
Don't forget social media integrated into the OS, like WP7.
Don't forget over the air sync, just like Zune (you know, the really old one that iFans said OTA sync was stupid and unnecessary)
Don't forget IM, which has been done by, well, everyone. But this is exclusive for iOS users!
Don't forget bits of information right there on the lock screen, just like WM 1.0!

All of these features (for the exception of the Zune) also exist in Android. Let's try to keep it real here for a minute. None of these are exclusive to WP7.

UndergroundWire said,

All of these features (for the exception of the Zune) also exist in Android. Let's try to keep it real here for a minute. None of these are exclusive to WP7.

Some are exclusive, to be fair. The social network, system notifications, and games integration in Windows Phone are one of a kind.

PlogCF said,

Some are exclusive, to be fair. The social network, system notifications, and games integration in Windows Phone are one of a kind.

Just like HTC Sense, Motorola Blur and Samsung TouchWiz social integration.

UndergroundWire said,

All of these features (for the exception of the Zune) also exist in Android. Let's try to keep it real here for a minute. None of these are exclusive to WP7.

Um, kind of, but since we are keeping it real... The fast access to the Camera is something that Android does not do. Even with a lock screen button camera (via a mod), it still takes time to launch the Camera App and is horribly slow in comparison to WP7 when you want to grab your phone and just take a picture. (Just today I about beat my Android phone into the concrete trying to get a fast picture and waiting for the freaking Camera App to load and become responsive enough to take a picture, and then having the auto-focus start lagging, and then even FC. I could have cold booted a WP7 phone and taken the picture faster, and not had to worry about it lagging or locking up, which is rather common on Android.)

thenetavenger said,
it still takes time to launch the Camera App and is horribly slow in comparison to WP7 when you want to grab your phone and just take a picture

How slow is it exactly? Is it slower than Microsoft getting a double digit market share on WP7? Beating your friend to taking a picture, hmmm. I guess it's an achievement of sorts. Congratulations? The one thing that WP7 has that I might one day need (like taking a picture of lighting strike or something).

Lol, my friend who adores Apple, constantly moans about people using Blackberry Messenger, asking why is it so great, and its pointless.

Now he's fawning over iMessage.

Benjy91 said,
Lol, my friend who adores Apple, constantly moans about people using Blackberry Messenger, asking why is it so great, and its pointless.

Now he's fawning over iMessage.

Of course. When other companies do something first it's big whoop, what's the point. When apple does it years later, it's sooo innovative.

Just a guess.
Before your friend didn't have a Blackberry so couldn't use it, and was secretly jealous.
Now he can use something similar on his iphone/ipod touch/iPad...

dotf said,

Of course. When other companies do something first it's big whoop, what's the point. When apple does it years later, it's sooo innovative.

+1

dotf said,

Of course. When other companies do something first it's big whoop, what's the point. When apple does it years later, it's sooo innovative.


Tip of the hat goes to you, sir.

Benjy91 said,
Lol, my friend who adores Apple, constantly moans about people using Blackberry Messenger, asking why is it so great, and its pointless.

Now he's fawning over iMessage.

This is not new to the Apple fan base...

In the 1980s, having color on the screen was 'stupid' and 'pointless' and 'less functional' for DTP according to Apple and all Apple fans, a few years later and they were trying to convince the world color was important and how well Macs were doing color. (Sadly to this day, even OS X lacks in its ability to display color compared to Windows. Try outputing true 36 or 40bit color depth to a high end color display, OS X can only shove out 24bit colors with 8bits for transparency, if you want to use the high end displays capable of more accurate color, the MFRs are having to explain to customers that they need to be using Windows 7.)

In the 90s, the 'one button' mouse was best, and two button mice were 'stupid' 'pointless' 'confusing' if you asked Apple or Apple fans.

Then 64bit was stupid according to Apple, and then they tried to con the world with their 'first 64bit desktop computer' commercials, even though OS X didn't use any of the 64bit functions of the 64bit CPU in the computers at the time. So then 64bit was again 'stupid' and pointless as it only offered more RAM address space, and they added in patches to OS X to allow applications to use 64bit RAM allocation, and then it was the best thing in the world, and then people noticed OS X was still 32bit and not even exposing all the 64bit functionality to applications, so it was stupid again, and then they finally got a 64bit OS X kernel with snow leopard, and it was the greatest thing in the world, until users noticed that drivers were an issue and most Macs couldn't even be forced to use the 64bit kernel, and on and on and on...

And on and on and on...

craybox said,
3gs support
yeah, that's great news.. but since it's probably not coming out before the new iphone, be it the iphone 4S or 5, it doesn't really change anything for me.. there were times, when beta-testing didn't last 'till fall.. -.-

Great, 3GS owner here, but I will wait few months before I upgrade: got to see it in action and want to see what this OS will do with my battery life ..

craybox said,
3gs support

Yep, don't you worry, it will most likely run as slow as 3G has when iOS 4.0 came out. So, you're definitely safe to upgrade.

MaSx said,

Yep, don't you worry, it will most likely run as slow as 3G has when iOS 4.0 came out. So, you're definitely safe to upgrade.

YES, it should be really safe to upgrade. Just make sure you have protection goggles when you smash your phone with a hammer, and you should be safe.

iOS 5 = copy of Android + Sense UI apps + blackberry messaging.

But to ordinary people, iOS5 is magical and it is the first to have notifications and real time messaging + all these other features other OS's have had for a while now.

hahahh so right. All the iPhone fanboys will be jumping up and down for nothing. The real keynote should have been "soon the iPhone will be able to compete with last years droid phone".

tsupersonic said,
iOS 5 = copy of Android + Sense UI apps + blackberry messaging.

But to ordinary people, iOS5 is magical and it is the first to have notifications and real time messaging + all these other features other OS's have had for a while now.

Re-branding old technology, something Apple does best...

tsupersonic said,
iOS 5 = copy of Android + Sense UI apps + blackberry messaging.

But to ordinary people, iOS5 is magical and it is the first to have notifications and real time messaging + all these other features other OS's have had for a while now.

Corrected: iOS 5 = "iOS4" + copy of Android + Sense UI apps + blackberry messaging
nothing less, nothing more!

tsupersonic said,
iOS 5 = copy of Android + Sense UI apps + blackberry messaging.

But to ordinary people, iOS5 is magical and it is the first to have notifications and real time messaging + all these other features other OS's have had for a while now.

Yeah, I wonder why you would buy an iPhone when you could just carry around... a BlackBerry, an Android phone with stock firmware - since everyone seems to prefer it - and an HTC phone with sense?

Simon said,
Yeah, I wonder why you would buy an iPhone when you could just carry around... a BlackBerry, an Android phone with stock firmware - since everyone seems to prefer it - and an HTC phone with sense?

Or just one, single Windows Phone.
From experience, I can say that WP7 is all you need.

PlogCF said,

Or just one, single Windows Phone.
From experience, I can say that WP7 is all you need.

It is just a matter of personal needs: I like my HD7 with its WP7 GUI and I miss it but my old HD2 with WM 6.3 still beat it in many functionalities therefore, for the time being, I had to revert to the latter.

PlogCF said,

Or just one, single Windows Phone.
From experience, I can say that WP7 is all you need.

WP7 is rubbish, i had it for 2 months and sold it, i should of brought a iPhone,

Looking good - defintiely some other platform influences there though. Some Windows Phone/Android stuff i definitely saw and there was always some Palm/HP stuff there. Now seems they are going for BB too - Hey can't beat em then join em!

EDIT - HA - there goes iMessage - BB Rip off right there! LOL Gotta love it though, looks sweet!

SHoTTa35 said,
Looking good - defintiely some other platform influences there though. Some Windows Phone/Android stuff i definitely saw and there was always some Palm/HP stuff there. Now seems they are going for BB too - Hey can't beat em then join em!

I wonder if other companies will sue Apple now.

UndergroundWire said,

I wonder if other companies will sue Apple now.

Considering EVERY announcement was a rip from someone, someone definitely should... lol

Gothic_Rebel said,
HAHAHAHAHAH. Can't believe it's more or less Android now. iOS5Droid.

I Bet it wont support iPhone 3G's either.

It does dude. It does!

Mohitster said,

It does dude. It does!


iOS 5.0 beta will be made available later today for the following iDevices:
• iPhone 4 (GSM and CDMA)
• iPhone 3GS
• iPod touch (4th generation)
• iPod touch (3rd generation)
• iPad 2 (GSM, CDMA and WiFi)
• iPad (GSM and WiFi)
• Apple TV 2G

Where does it say iPhone 3G ?

The iPhone 3G came out in 2008. Summer 2008. Before the first Android phone was even available.

Just to put everything in context.

Simon said,
The iPhone 3G came out in 2008. Summer 2008. Before the first Android phone was even available.

Just to put everything in context.

Yep and Android has blown past Apple in under 3years....

And Apple OSX still hasn't hit double figures market share LOL

hotdog963al said,
It's got 128MB RAM.... rofl
I've got a fresh install with 4.x and music stutters sometimes when I'm using the Twitter app.

.... and you can't downgrade :-3

I feel really underwhelmed by this keynote I was looking forward to it....Where are the widgets!?

Paul said,
I feel really underwhelmed by this keynote I was looking forward to it....Where are the widgets!?

Agreed. Nothing major anywhere. And none of it available now. It's all "due this Fall".

Apple fans should be embarrassed about cheering for an announcement of notifications. This should have been introduced so long ago. And tabbed browsing...I feel like I'm watching an Android announcement from 3 years ago.

UndergroundWire said,
Apple fans should be embarrassed about cheering for an announcement of notifications. This should have been introduced so long ago. And tabbed browsing...I feel like I'm watching an Android announcement from 3 years ago.

Or a windows phone 7 announcement from last january.

UndergroundWire said,
Apple fans should be embarrassed about cheering for an announcement of notifications.
But notifications was the only good feature there.

"Never connect to a PC/Mac! That way, if you don't use iCloud (or if you do, but use up all your for data quota), then you are hosed when your phone dies!"

UndergroundWire said,
Apple fans should be embarrassed about cheering for an announcement of notifications. This should have been introduced so long ago. And tabbed browsing...I feel like I'm watching an Android announcement from 3 years ago.

Exactly. Notifications, Twitter integration, wireless sync, etc. All of the announcements were basically playing catchup to Android and WP7...

UndergroundWire said,
Apple fans should be embarrassed about cheering for an announcement of notifications. This should have been introduced so long ago. And tabbed browsing...I feel like I'm watching an Android announcement from 3 years ago.

Hear hear! Even BlackBerry has an integrated notfication management system! I guess this is a sign of Apple losing its mojo, but hey. Every company does once in a while.

M_Lyons10 said,

Exactly. Notifications, Twitter integration, wireless sync, etc. All of the announcements were basically playing catchup to Android and WP7...


Is that a bad thing?

DigitalE said,

Is that a bad thing?

For them it is...
It's bad for Android and WP7 if Apple fix the bigger things the two of them had any advantage in.

lol starting off every announcement with some big numbers..

microsoft has to start doing this more before everytime they talk about windows saying how many PC's that have ever been sold in history.. How many programs are currently available for windows 95 and up..

Lachlan said,
lol starting off every announcement with some big numbers..

microsoft has to start doing this more before everytime they talk about windows saying how many PC's that have ever been sold in history.. How many programs are currently available for windows 95 and up..

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company.. just look at apple stock market and then look at microsoft stock market and you will see why microsoft dont show its numbers.. is something they are not proud about

jkrlox said,

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company.. just look at apple stock market and then look at microsoft stock market and you will see why microsoft dont show its numbers.. is something they are not proud about

/yawn

jkrlox said,

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company..

Starts off like that, but the following announcements shout out rather "dude, sell your Apple stock now!" before it's so far behind it's worthless.

jkrlox said,

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company.. just look at apple stock market and then look at microsoft stock market and you will see why microsoft dont show its numbers.. is something they are not proud about


+1

jkrlox said,

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company.. just look at apple stock market and then look at microsoft stock market and you will see why microsoft dont show its numbers.. is something they are not proud about

LOL but thats the thing! this is not information for investors.. Majority of investors dont really care about little announcements they look for the cashflow statements and other material actually given to investors.. this is not an earnings call , this is a software announcement..

ps.. I guess not the best announcement since their stock dipped 1.5% today..

jkrlox said,

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company.. just look at apple stock market and then look at microsoft stock market and you will see why microsoft dont show its numbers.. is something they are not proud about

ps..

Lachlan said,

LOL but thats the thing! this is not information for investors.. Majority of investors dont really care about little announcements they look for the cashflow statements and other material actually given to investors.. this is not an earnings call , this is a software announcement..

ps.. I guess not the best announcement since their stock dipped 1.5% today..


It's a marketing gimmick

jesseinsf said,

It's a marketing gimmick

Hell yes it is. If people see those numbers, they think "Wow, Apple seems to be doing great, next time I need a phone i'm going to go with Apple, or next time I buy a tablet, I'll go with the iPad". Not going to lie tho, Apple does seem to be satisfying a lot of customers more than Microsoft is. Key word is seem. Microsoft need to start making commercials that broadcast satisfied customers to try and break up the market from Apples grasp.

jkrlox said,

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company

No, it's not. It's a marketing gimmick as already mentioned. Investors get their information privately, they don't wait for a DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE to get it.

jkrlox said,

this is about being growing up like never before, this is information for investors, the results of the company.. just look at apple stock market and then look at microsoft stock market and you will see why microsoft dont show its numbers.. is something they are not proud about

apple's stock always drops after wwdc, so... yeah. you gotta edit your post bro, before increasing your embarrassment by multitudes.