Apple announces iPad 2; Front/rear camera, available March 11

On Wednesday, Apple's CEO Steve Jobs took the stage to announce the next version of the iPad, the iPad 2.

Apple unveiled the original iPad back in January 2010, where many consumers and analysts believed the company had a massive failure on its hands. However, the iPad managed to be well received by consumers and eventually became hard to find, as units were flying off the shelves.

Today, Steve Jobs announced some updates including iBooks, with over 200 million registered accounts and $200 million dollars paid out to publishers. Apple announced that they have sold 15 million iPads in 2010, in only nine months since its launch.

Amongst the announcements, Steve Jobs unveiled the new iPad 2. The updated device will come with an A5 dual-core processor, with 2x faster CPU, 9x faster GPU, which offers the same low-power benefit as the A4 processor. The iPad 2 features a front and rear-facing camera, so you'll be able to FaceTime with other iPad, iPhone or iPod touch users.

The new iPad 2 is thinner than the original iPad, at just 8.8mm thick, thinner than the iPhone 4. The second generation iPad weighs in at 1.3 pounds, slightly lighter than the original. It will be available on both AT&T and Verizon, and in both black and white, with no shipping delays, unlike the iPhone 4.

Apple reports the iPad will have a 10 hour battery life, with up to a month of standby time. Pricing will be the same as the original, with the same WiFi-only and WiFi+3G models in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB. Pricing starts at $499 for the 16GB WiFi model and $629 for the 3G 16GB model.

The iPad 2 will ship on March 11 in the United States, Canada, France, Germany, Japan and UK, and March 25 in 26 more countries. There will also be an accessory cable that delivers HDMI mirrored video output (1080p). The accessory cable will allow you to charge your iPad while you use it. The new cover will also feature a magnet which can lock your iPad when you close it and wakes when you open it.

The case will be available through Apple. It will be available in 5 colours and in leather, for $69 USD.

FaceTime for the iPad will now allow you to transfer video between an iPod touch (4th generation), iPhone 4, and supported Macs. FaceTime will soon allow HD video (up to 720p) for streaming live video.

iMovie will soon come with a massive update for the iPad 2, with a precision editor, multitrack audio editor, new interface and many more exciting features.

The iPad 2 will feature:

  • 9.7-inch display
  • 1024 x 768 resolution
  • Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating
  • Rear camera that supports 720p recording
  • Front facing VGA camera
  • 3-axis gyro
  • Accelerometer
  • Ambient light sensor
  • Digital compass
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its funny how people always say "I don't need this, why the hell did they put that in there?", realize you are NOT the only person the company is catering to.

lflashl said,
pricing for New Zealand would be nice!

Nice for the retailers, us kiwis get our asses ripped off.

XT charge 1000 NZD for the Galaxy S, Bell canada 650 NZD

Somehow they take a $200 iphone and sell it for 900 here

Auzeras said,

Nice for the retailers, us kiwis get our asses ripped off.

XT charge 1000 NZD for the Galaxy S, Bell canada 650 NZD

Somehow they take a $200 iphone and sell it for 900 here


yea been looking at the mac book pro! i can save like 900$ buying it from the US!!!

1080p output? so that'd to play the 1080p movies I can't download from itunes? and can't record on any iDevice? Nor rip from my blu-ray-less mac? Nor watch in full hd on my non-hd ipad2 screen? Brilliant!

dancedar said,
1080p output? so that'd to play the 1080p movies I can't download from itunes? and can't record on any iDevice? Nor rip from my blu-ray-less mac? Nor watch in full hd on my non-hd ipad2 screen? Brilliant!


mmm im going to be interested in seeing how this works!

I was afraid that the new features might make me want to upgrade from my version 1, but there is nothing here to get excited about.

Quite a success remembering how many people bash it form the beginning it was called just an over sized iTouch that will bring down Apple. This is an enterprise that put as much effort in designing and building devices as it put it on selling them to the people.
And this is moving the market, android is just amazing on tablet devices and with all the signs of getting better every day, and MS is working in a new OS that almost certainly will have a lighter version to run in tablets.

Meconio said,
Quite a success remembering how many people bash it form the beginning it was called just an over sized iTouch that will bring down Apple. This is an enterprise that put as much effort in designing and building devices as it put it on selling them to the people.
And this is moving the market, android is just amazing on tablet devices and with all the signs of getting better every day, and MS is working in a new OS that almost certainly will have a lighter version to run in tablets.

the way i see it, the new ipad its still a bigger ipod touch or iphone....

hotdog963al said,
So it's an "iPad 2" not an "iPad 2G"? Have they offically ditched the whole 'G'eneration thing now since iPhone 4?

The 'G' in iPhone 3G and iPhone 3Gs was only there to signify that the iPhone ran on UMTS/HSPA (a 3G technology) and not just on GSM/EDGE (a 2G technology). It had nothing to do with Generation, or else the second iPhone would have been called the iPhone 2G, which it wasn't.

From now on, they'll just increment the numbers each year for all their devices. I'm sure we'll soon see the same thing on the iPods as well as the iPhone and iPad.

Any idea if the HDMI connector will work with the original iPad? Seems silly that they have a "universal connector" that they tout as being hot stuff, yet some accessories are locked to specific devices.

majortom1981 said,
Gizmodo states still only 256 megs of ram. If thats the case i will not buy it

That's just absurd. I completly agree with you.

majortom1981 said,
Gizmodo states still only 256 megs of ram. If thats the case i will not buy it

Huh? That's very weak if true... I'd imagine more ram would give a more noticeable performance bump than a faster CPU. The user interface lag is (probably) more related to memory as is the checkerboarding in Safari.

So whats happening with all the old iPads?

You can still buy them new but why would anyone buy an old generation iPad when you get the new one at no extra cost?

SK[ said,]So whats happening with all the old iPads?

You can still buy them new but why would anyone buy an old generation iPad when you get the new one at no extra cost?

they discounted old ipads by $100.. they are 399 now

SK[ said,]So whats happening with all the old iPads?

You can still buy them new but why would anyone buy an old generation iPad when you get the new one at no extra cost?

They should drop the price at least $100~150, then could be a little bit more affordable price for most people.

I'm getting an iPad 2, been wanting one since the day i tried one in the Mall Apple Store, but been held 4 this updated version, don't really care about the flash if I wanna see a video always open the youtube app. Also love the HDMI adapter, it's something I was looking forward, but i was expecting to be a conector in the ipad itself, not an cable adapter, but o'well.

mjedi7 said,

They should drop the price at least $100~150, then could be a little bit more affordable price for most people.

I'm getting an iPad 2, been wanting one since the day i tried one in the Mall Apple Store, but been held 4 this updated version, don't really care about the flash if I wanna see a video always open the youtube app. Also love the HDMI adapter, it's something I was looking forward, but i was expecting to be a conector in the ipad itself, not an cable adapter, but o'well.

Just look they have already!

SK[ said,]So whats happening with all the old iPads?

You can still buy them new but why would anyone buy an old generation iPad when you get the new one at no extra cost?

Well they are dumping the old ipads in countries that they were not "released" in! Just a month or two back the ipad was "officially" released in south africa. And quite a few people bought one. Talk about getting screwed over!

The Laughing Man said,
Same resolution? Come on!

lol .. well they only pick a few upgrades each time so they can brag about how huge the upgrade is.. maybe it'll be like this till Ipad 5 then they can say the resolution is 25x more!

Lachlan said,

lol .. well they only pick a few upgrades each time so they can brag about how huge the upgrade is.. maybe it'll be like this till Ipad 5 then they can say the resolution is 25x more!

Yeah, same with mini USB, Thunderbolt, Memorycard slot, led flash light, mini HDMI, etc., etc.

The Laughing Man said,
Same resolution? Come on!

It's too expensive for them to put a higher density resolution screen in a device that big at the moment

What are the specs of the cameras? I'm assuming the front facing camera is around 1.3mp but what is the rear one? 3mp? 5mp? 8.1mp?

Hackersoft MS MVP said,
What are the specs of the cameras? I'm assuming the front facing camera is around 1.3mp but what is the rear one? 3mp? 5mp? 8.1mp?

It's probably the same cameras on the iPhone 4, minus the LED flash, which is almost a deal breaker for me. It's not that the LED flash is a must have feature, it's just the fact that they intentionally left it out. The iPhone 4 has it, why leave it out on the iPad 2. I guess they wanna save something for the iPad 3: "Now with LED Flash, just revolutionary."

The real deal breaker will always be no Adobe Flash support. For a device that claims to deliver the best web browsing experience, it has to support flash. I don't care what all the fruit logo fan boys say, I would not have bought my Macbook Pro if it didn't support Adobe Flash.

mayamaniac said,

It's probably the same cameras on the iPhone 4, minus the LED flash, which is almost a deal breaker for me. It's not that the LED flash is a must have feature, it's just the fact that they intentionally left it out. The iPhone 4 has it, why leave it out on the iPad 2. I guess they wanna save something for the iPad 3: "Now with LED Flash, just revolutionary."

The real deal breaker will always be no Adobe Flash support. For a device that claims to deliver the best web browsing experience, it has to support flash. I don't care what all the fruit logo fan boys say, I would not have bought my Macbook Pro if it didn't support Adobe Flash.


I think its the ipod touch 4 cameras not the iphones. The ipod touch 4 have the same exact specs as the ipad 2's

Not that significant of an update to be honest. Sure it is slightly lighter and (presumably) quite a bit faster. The fact that it weights slightly less is intriguing, but it is still pretty heavy. They need to be aiming for more like 0.75 lbs. The 0.3 lbs they shaved off is a good start, but not very compelling.

The specs they are spouting probably means it will be quite a bit faster. To the average user this probably will amount to less checkerboarding in Safari and faster app launching.

The HDMI output and the dual cameras are probably a limited market (I'm not particularly interested in either).

I'll wait for the retina display iPad before I upgrade. Thats my big complaint about the first iPad followed by its weight. App selection is awesome. There is a great selection of news media apps which is perfect for this news and magazine junkie.

Seems like this is Apple's "just faster everything" year (like iPhone 3G -> 3GS), any real updates (like higher res displays) are coming next year.

LaXu said,
Seems like this is Apple's "just faster everything" year (like iPhone 3G -> 3GS), any real updates (like higher res displays) are coming next year.

My thoughts. Next on their list will be a cheesy iPhone update.
I promised myself I won't be jumping on the iPad band wagon till the next big release comes out.

/yawn.

Congrats... no USB still... they can shove it. I fell in love with the concept of the iPad when it first came out, before I started digging into the specs, and the iPad 2 is no different, great till you see what it lacks. XOOM it is for me than. Honeycomb looks better than iOS anyways.

For me, I don't like plugging all this crap into my portable devices. It makes it less portable. I'd prefer thinner over ports for the iPad2. Will be a great travel companion.

Yeah lame update to iPad.
But i think buying a XOOM is a bad idea, I bet Motorola will not be updating it with new OS revisions and you be holding a useless device in a year's time. Its a locked device and you can't do anything about it.
Atleast, Apple has a history of providing OS improvements and bug fixes for upto 3 gens of the product.

figgy said,
Yeah lame update to iPad.
But i think buying a XOOM is a bad idea, I bet Motorola will not be updating it with new OS revisions and you be holding a useless device in a year's time. Its a locked device and you can't do anything about it.
Atleast, Apple has a history of providing OS improvements and bug fixes for upto 3 gens of the product.

Are you clueless?
The bootloader has been unlocked and the tablet rooted. Motor has done an outstanding job with their updates-- the original Droid is a great example. Android also pushes new os updates out twice as fast as Apple. Please eat crow. Enjoy.

ScottDaMan said,
For me, I don't like plugging all this crap into my portable devices. It makes it less portable. I'd prefer thinner over ports for the iPad2. Will be a great travel companion.
I like the ability to use it for both, not just to be forced with one.

ScottDaMan said,
For me, I don't like plugging all this crap into my portable devices. It makes it less portable. I'd prefer thinner over ports for the iPad2. Will be a great travel companion.

I don't a slight increase in a portable devices height to offer me USB support, it's STILL portable, and other tablets prove it with their USB drive. Apple is just stubborn and refuses to give the people something more than just an overpriced piece of tech.

Xoom is overpriced too, though if you compared it to the iPad 2, it STILL has better specs and costs only a little more. Kinda sad actually on Apples end.

Liking the fact of the camera's, hating the price. Might get it on contract here in the UK
Also the original iPad in the UK has now gone down from the £439 to £329.
Makes me want the original a little bit more if I'm honest :L

The only think I really despise about this iPad 2 is the form factor. It now officially can be called a giant ipod touch because the curved edges really highlight that. It gives it a very "single-use" look to it. I like the form-factor of the iPhone 4 because of the symmetrical design.

ManOfMystery said,
The only think I really despise about this iPad 2 is the form factor. It now officially can be called a giant ipod touch because the curved edges really highlight that. It gives it a very "single-use" look to it. I like the form-factor of the iPhone 4 because of the symmetrical design.

maybe they didnt use the Iphone 4 factor because of the Antenna problems although it does look good. Seems like they used a bit of the Macbook air form.

ManOfMystery said,
The only think I really despise about this iPad 2 is the form factor. It now officially can be called a giant ipod touch because the curved edges really highlight that. It gives it a very "single-use" look to it. I like the form-factor of the iPhone 4 because of the symmetrical design.

since ipad release its known to be a bigger ipod touch or a bigger iphone without the phone part

No usb?
No Thunderbolt, what a depressing device. I'l wait for the much faster and cheaper Blackberry Playbook!

Renato456 said,
No usb?
No Thunderbolt, what a depressing device. I'l wait for the much faster and cheaper Blackberry Playbook!

Out of interest, what USB and Thunderbolt devices will you be plugging into your Playbook?

Renato456 said,
No usb?
No Thunderbolt, what a depressing device. I'l wait for the much faster and cheaper Blackberry Playbook!

the PB runs very similar CPU @ 1ghz dual core and it will be priced @ same as the iPad 2 i would assume so yea it wont be faster nore much cheaper if at all cheaper

Renato456 said,
No usb?
No Thunderbolt, what a depressing device. I'l wait for the much faster and cheaper Blackberry Playbook!

really cheaper then 499?! I hope so that would be awesome and I think it will drive Blackberry sales a bit as well.

Lachlan said,

really cheaper then 499?! I hope so that would be awesome and I think it will drive Blackberry sales a bit as well.


For all I heard Blackberry Playbook would cost $400
And I know it does not have thunderbolt, but I said that because it was the only advantages the ipad has over other tablets that was interresting for me.

I don't care about the hardware, it's the software that needs an update! Microsoft please don't give up on the Courier

Pettor said,
I don't care about the hardware, it's the software that needs an update! Microsoft please don't give up on the Courier

They gave up a long time ago.

Pettor said,
I don't care about the hardware, it's the software that needs an update! Microsoft please don't give up on the Courier

Men, if there were something in the Periodic Table which could supplement the Lithium, Courier would have been released several months ago....
Anyways, I support that statement. +1.

Pettor said,
I don't care about the hardware, it's the software that needs an update! Microsoft please don't give up on the Courier

How can they give up on something that was never a product?

I don't see the point in having a camera on a tablet, let alone two...
(this includes android tablets, too)

Kushan said,
I don't see the point in having a camera on a tablet, let alone two...
(this includes android tablets, too)

Because lots use it for business. Good for video conferencing.

Kushan said,
I don't see the point in having a camera on a tablet, let alone two...
(this includes android tablets, too)


Think about it. a Doctor bing able to do a video call to another Doctor somewhere else right while the patient is in the same room and be able to do a diagnosis to a small degree over video saves alot of time and time for the patient . and being able to flip the camera so that siad doctor can see the patient

Kushan said,
I don't see the point in having a camera on a tablet, let alone two...
(this includes android tablets, too)

This will be my grandmother's first "computer". She will be able to FaceTime with the family now. These years are important for us. I'd say that's just one great reason to have a camera or two.

Kushan said,
I don't see the point in having a camera on a tablet, let alone two...
(this includes android tablets, too)

I agree about the actual camera but the Facetime one could be more useful for apps and video conferencing.. I just dont see people taking it out with some friends and taking pictures like they would with a cell phone..

This new design is ugly as hell. Why a flat back? iPad 1 looked way better. I also don't understand why they compete for the thinnest product, as it doesn't add any value at all. The iPad was perfect size and tickness...

Jarrichvdv said,
This new design is ugly as hell. Why a flat back? iPad 1 looked way better. I also don't understand why they compete for the thinnest product, as it doesn't add any value at all. The iPad was perfect size and tickness...

I'll take thinner if it's lighter. Weight is what I really care about.

MissingBonobo said,

I'll take thinner if it's lighter. Weight is what I really care about.

its .3 lbs lighter. not really a huge change unless you have problems picking up a cell phone

I'm just waiting for the famous "There is one more thing....." and for Steve to announce that the iPad 2 also has Thunderbolt technology.

ManOfMystery said,
I'm just waiting for the famous "There is one more thing....." and for Steve to announce that the iPad 2 also has Thunderbolt technology.

Think i read in the liveblog with engadget that it did along side the HDMI

Urghhh.... What a horrible keynote.

The HDMI connector and the case are a revolution ... oh my god aplle is becoming a seller of useless widget ...

And now, we have the rubber for IPAD ...

Apple is loosing ranks !!!

erak said,
Urghhh.... What a horrible keynote.

The HDMI connector and the case are a revolution ... oh my god aplle is becoming a seller of useless widget ...

And now, we have the rubber for IPAD ...

Apple is loosing ranks !!!

I fail to understand any of the "points" you have raised here. The case thing is kind of cool, I won't buy it though. And the HMDI port thing is nice to have, though not necessarily a revolution.

From what I'm gathering here, you aren't a huge fan of Apple. That's fine. But please, try to make a coherent argument with valid points next time. Kthxbai.

MissingBonobo said,

I fail to understand any of the "points" you have raised here. The case thing is kind of cool, I won't buy it though. And the HMDI port thing is nice to have, though not necessarily a revolution.

From what I'm gathering here, you aren't a huge fan of Apple. That's fine. But please, try to make a coherent argument with valid points next time. Kthxbai.


It's quite easy to understand: If product has only 6 or so new features and 3 of them of them are rubber case, HDMI port and white paint, you have a right to question the novelity of the device.

MissingBonobo said,

I fail to understand any of the "points" you have raised here. The case thing is kind of cool, I won't buy it though. And the HMDI port thing is nice to have, though not necessarily a revolution.

From what I'm gathering here, you aren't a huge fan of Apple. That's fine. But please, try to make a coherent argument with valid points next time. Kthxbai.

LOL.. you just disagreed with him and then agreed with all of your points.. You are not going to buy the case? so it is not revolutionary.. then you quote that the HDMI port is not revolutionary as well .. then you say he has no point?

You just said exactly what he did.. these this are nice features but they are not worth International attention because of a "new case"... and hdmi output.. when many others have this

MissingBonobo said,

I fail to understand any of the "points" you have raised here. The case thing is kind of cool, I won't buy it though. And the HMDI port thing is nice to have, though not necessarily a revolution.

From what I'm gathering here, you aren't a huge fan of Apple. That's fine. But please, try to make a coherent argument with valid points next time. Kthxbai.

LOL.. you just disagreed with him and then agreed with all of your points.. You are not going to buy the case? so it is not revolutionary.. then you quote that the HDMI port is not revolutionary as well .. then you say he has no point?

You just said exactly what he did.. these this are nice features but they are not worth International attention because of a "new case"... and hdmi output.. when many others have this

NeoTrunks said,

None of them did.

K, thanks. Wasnt sure. Everyone I know that has one has the case so I assumed it came with the iPad.

techbeck said,

K, thanks. Wasnt sure. Everyone I know that has one has the case so I assumed it came with the iPad.

ya that was mostly 3rd party sales.. looks like they are trying to get a piece of that pie as well..

Brandon said,
Still can't believe that they are still only offering 16/32/64 and not 32/64/128 by now...

they will release the 128 GB as a revolutionary marvel of modern technology probably with the next Ipad.

Lachlan said,

they will release the 128 GB as a revolutionary marvel of modern technology probably with the next Ipad.


That has been the same **** which has haunted the iPod for the previous years.
BTW, missed the /s

And nothing about the amount of ram in it? Hmm the one hardware improvement that is actually needed isnt mentioned

Leonick said,
And nothing about the amount of ram in it? Hmm the one hardware improvement that is actually needed isnt mentioned

I think they never mentioned anything about the memory they put in their mobile devices. But with such a fast processor and one year later, I doubt they'd put the same amount.

PyX said,

I think they never mentioned anything about the memory they put in their mobile devices. But with such a fast processor and one year later, I doubt they'd put the same amount.

Well the did mention the memory for the iPhone 4, at least in the keynote...
But you're right, looking at the site i can't see any numbers for ram on either the iphone or ipod touch...

Leonick said,
And nothing about the amount of ram in it? Hmm the one hardware improvement that is actually needed isnt mentioned

I can't see it having less RAM than the iPhone 4, which is good enough - although I think even more than that would really help with multitasking.

Now, i know you guy will be angry when i say this but:

The design looks like a giant version of my ipod touch 4g.

satus said,
Now, i know you guy will be angry when i say this but:

The design looks like a giant version of my ipod touch 4g.


Hardly unexpected since the original iPad looked like a larger version of the third gen iPod touch.

satus said,
Now, i know you guy will be angry when i say this but:

The design looks like a giant version of my ipod touch 4g.


quoted for truth

A5 processor with same low-power benefit as the A4 processor.. I think we now know what will be in the iPhone 5.. Can't wait..

Lord Zog said,
A5 processor with same low-power benefit as the A4 processor.. I think we now know what will be in the iPhone 5.. Can't wait..

ya good point.. never thought of that

Alladaskill17 said,
HDMI output, works with all apps too.

This is a real cool addition. Would love to fire VLC on it and watch movies/TV shows on the big screen.

careless_monkey said,

This is a real cool addition. Would love to fire VLC on it and watch movies/TV shows on the big screen.

Pity that VLC has been removed since some months ago...

Jose_49 said,

Pity that VLC has been removed since some months ago...

It's fine if you downloaded it at the time though. There's other apps that do the same thing as well. cinexplayer or whatever it is called. I personally still use VLC just because I trust the codecs more

DomZ said,

It's fine if you downloaded it at the time though. There's other apps that do the same thing as well. cinexplayer or whatever it is called. I personally still use VLC just because I trust the codecs more


Lucky you .

techbeck said,
A camera, dual processors, other common features..... What was once ahead of the game is now playing catchup.

It's not called catchup if it's out before most of the products it's "catching up to"

Leonick said,

It's not called catchup if it's out before most of the products it's "catching up to"

Its playing catchup when you are known to be the first to do something and now you are lagging behind. Androids are already coming with dual cores, expandable storage, HDMI, USB, a camera...many features which Apple should of had in their first gen tab. Problem with Apple is they want to be the first to do something and as such, rush to get their product out before anyone else and leaves out key features that are common in most other devices.

Leonick said,

It's not called catchup if it's out before most of the products it's "catching up to"

This. Aside from the Xoom what other tablet has dual core? Lest we forget that not only is the xoom on a brand new os that has still to find its pace (honeycomb, not android in general) but it's also a full $300 more than the entry ipad 2. I'm no apple zealot but I think they really are pushing ahead at the moment.

empty said,

This. Aside from the Xoom what other tablet has dual core? Lest we forget that not only is the xoom on a brand new os that has still to find its pace (honeycomb, not android in general) but it's also a full $300 more than the entry ipad 2. I'm no apple zealot but I think they really are pushing ahead at the moment.

Just the XOOM for now but HTC, ACER, and several other companies have them in the works. And it doesnt matter if one device has these features or a dozen...just takes one for Apple to play catchup. And the price, what do you expect when you get more and can do more? Granted I wont pay 800 for a XOOM...and I am waiting to see what else comes out in the next few months.

And pushing a head? I guess demanding 30 percent of the profits from companies that do not go through their appstore is forging ahead...

techbeck said,

Just the XOOM for now but HTC, ACER, and several other companies have them in the works. And it doesnt matter if one device has these features or a dozen...just takes one for Apple to play catchup. And the price, what do you expect when you get more and can do more? Granted I wont pay 800 for a XOOM...and I am waiting to see what else comes out in the next few months.

And pushing a head? I guess demanding 30 percent of the profits from companies that do not go through their appstore is forging ahead...

You say that but Apple will be releasing this within the month in GLOBAL quantities. The xoom isn't even out in Europe until April - just because EVERY tech company was showing off their honeycomb tablets back at CES doesn't mean Apple is catching up, they have clearly had this in the works for a while.

I don't particularly see a use for an ipad but I am considerably closer to buying one than I was a day ago.

Also, what exactly can the xoom do over the ipad 2?

edit - I should clarify that I still feel the ipad 2 is lacking in some features I would like i.e build in hdmi-out and an sd card slot but I think only the hdmi out is a feature other manufacturers have included.

empty said,

You say that but Apple will be releasing this within the month in GLOBAL quantities. The xoom isn't even out in Europe until April - just because EVERY tech company was showing off their honeycomb tablets back at CES doesn't mean Apple is catching up, they have clearly had this in the works for a while.

Dont need to be world wide to fall behind and play catch up. But to your point, Android is world wide and they have more features than the iPhone does. Also, The Thunderbolt and Galaxy S2 both have dual cores...guess they beat Apple again in the phone market. Not to mention that Android phones can do much than what an iPhone can do.


I don't particularly see a use for an ipad but I am considerably closer to buying one than I was a day ago.
Also, what exactly can the xoom do over the ipad 2?

Its an android...you can do pretty much whatever you want. Dont have time to go in to the specifics but just run a simple google search.

The only reason I will get any TAB is to replace my Netbook and if I decide I have a use for one. Also, I dont care what people buy really as long as they research and know what they are getting. I dont like the cool factor as thats the sole reason lots by things.

techbeck said,
A camera, dual processors, other common features..... What was once ahead of the game is now playing catchup.

I think that your attitude would be different if Apple announced devices when they had the first physical prototypes ready for a five minute hands-off demo.

techbeck said,
A camera, dual processors, other common features..... What was once ahead of the game is now playing catchup.

65,000 made for iPad apps vs 100 honeycomb apps... If you wanna talk about catch up there's something for ya.

techbeck said,
A camera, dual processors, other common features..... What was once ahead of the game is now playing catchup.

65,000 made for iPad apps vs 100 honeycomb apps... If you wanna talk about catch up there's something for ya.

Shadrack said,

65,000 made for iPad apps vs 100 honeycomb apps... If you wanna talk about catch up there's something for ya.

100 because HC was just released. I am not talking about software, I am talking about the physical hardware and to justify the price. If you want to nit pick, and get really specific...then we will be going back and forth all day. Like the Android OS being the #2 OS world wide now and how apple has fallen behind there as well.

Anyway, Apple SHOULD of had a camera in their first gen iPad...There was a spot for it so why not include it? Because they wanted to be the first...first doesnt always mean better. Apple used to be untouchable but not anymore. To many alternatives and Apple isnt doing much to compete against them...IMO

techbeck said,

100 because HC was just released. I am not talking about software, I am talking about the physical hardware and to justify the price. If you want to nit pick, and get really specific...then we will be going back and forth all day. Like the Android OS being the #2 OS world wide now and how apple has fallen behind there as well.

Anyway, Apple SHOULD of had a camera in their first gen iPad...There was a spot for it so why not include it? Because they wanted to be the first...first doesnt always mean better. Apple used to be untouchable but not anymore. To many alternatives and Apple isnt doing much to compete against them...IMO


So being 2 weeks behind is catching up? I'm all for Android and am planning on getting a Xoom at some point, but this is ridiculous. At least when Apple releases a product, it is feature complete. Everything they announce is included and all versions launch at the same time. When they launched the iPad, they gave devs a solid 2 months to start developing apps.

People on the Xoom camp, including me, have to wait for Flash, SD card storage, and apps. Not to mention also a WiFi only version (arguably the most wanted version) which has yet to be announced in the US. More evidence that the Xoom and HC were rushed, Honeycomb still hasn't hit the AOSP branch so no one except for manufacturers can build their own version of Android. Apple might've been "behind," but at least they do clean launches.

techbeck said,
A camera, dual processors, other common features..... What was once ahead of the game is now playing catchup.

They are far from playing catch up in the grand scheme of things. They sell more iPads than other tablets, have good profit margins, and make a good deal of money from the App Store.. Doesn't seem like they're doing anything wrong..

techbeck said,

Dont need to be world wide to fall behind and play catch up. But to your point, Android is world wide and they have more features than the iPhone does. Also, The Thunderbolt and Galaxy S2 both have dual cores...guess they beat Apple again in the phone market. Not to mention that Android phones can do much than what an iPhone can do.

Its an android...you can do pretty much whatever you want. Dont have time to go in to the specifics but just run a simple google search.

Whilst I will concede that Apple does not have a dual-core iphone, I would also question its relevancy. Perhaps there are some android phones that have dual core processors yes (which is taking the lead obviously) but considering the relative shambolic android app store and very few apps that take advantage of such processing power, i fail to see the advantages.

Having previously owned an HTC Desire I think that perhaps you're bigging android up a bit too much. Sure you can customize every bit of it, but in the majority of cases that's not what I need from my phone. A high level of quality apps, simple interface (although it does need a wee refresh) and rock solid stability (my desires dialler app would crash!) means that in those regards Apple is taking the lead considerably.

I think that pushing out a high specc'd gadget may look good on paper, but very few companies back it up with the stable ecosystem that they require.

techbeck said,

Its playing catchup when you are known to be the first to do something and now you are lagging behind. Androids are already coming with dual cores, expandable storage, HDMI, USB, a camera...many features which Apple should of had in their first gen tab. Problem with Apple is they want to be the first to do something and as such, rush to get their product out before anyone else and leaves out key features that are common in most other devices.


Ok... really, if apple have "lagged behind" even the slightest why can't we just go all the way and just class all the tablets out now and coming soon (ipad 2, xoom, and whatever) outdated? They have 2 cores, so? We know there will be quad cores by the end of the year...

But then again, currently we are at a very nice point in the mobile world, most of the specs are just numbers on a paper that doesn't matter because the software is the bottleneck on all platforms

techbeck said,

100 because HC was just released. I am not talking about software, I am talking about the physical hardware and to justify the price. If you want to nit pick, and get really specific...then we will be going back and forth all day. Like the Android OS being the #2 OS world wide now and how apple has fallen behind there as well.

Anyway, Apple SHOULD of had a camera in their first gen iPad...There was a spot for it so why not include it? Because they wanted to be the first...first doesnt always mean better. Apple used to be untouchable but not anymore. To many alternatives and Apple isnt doing much to compete against them...IMO

well that's a joke! the only reason "Android OS being the #2 OS world wide" is every Joe and his cousin are making phones for "Android" apple have 1 phone and that's it!!!! really they are out there making people play catch up!!

hotdog963al said,
How's Steve looking? Sounds like he's well after all.

These are empty assumptions, though I hope he'll get better.

Jarrichvdv said,

These are empty assumptions, though I hope he'll get better.

Yes very sad to say he is very ill and sometimes these things just cannot be stopped.

garygarfield said,
What next?

i know.. They are really going to have to create another device that does not exist to stay at the level they are at.. As soon as this market becomes saturated (Year or 2) I believe they may be in trouble. When the Ipod was released no big companies tried to compete for the first while because they did not realize it would be such a success. Seems like now everyone is staying hot on their heels and doing exactly what they are doing and trying to one up them.

Lachlan said,

i know.. They are really going to have to create another device that does not exist to stay at the level they are at.. As soon as this market becomes saturated (Year or 2) I believe they may be in trouble. When the Ipod was released no big companies tried to compete for the first while because they did not realize it would be such a success. Seems like now everyone is staying hot on their heels and doing exactly what they are doing and trying to one up them.

What makes you think the iPad market will become saturated to the point that it would be detrimental to Apple's bottom line? iPhone has been out for four years and iPhone revenue has increased each quarter. Mac sales have been doing the same for years now. What's the difference with iPad? Like iPhone, people will upgrade. Saturation is less relevant when you add new features like FaceTime--for instance, someone who got an iPad last year might love it but buy an iPad 2 so they can see their grandkids.

garygarfield said,
What next?

Actually I think the iPad 3 will have a hard time catching up when the Blackberry Thunderbolt, Motorola Xoom and Htc Flyer are out. They all have much better looking specs...
Not to mention that some have Android...

McG said,

What makes you think the iPad market will become saturated to the point that it would be detrimental to Apple's bottom line? iPhone has been out for four years and iPhone revenue has increased each quarter. Mac sales have been doing the same for years now. What's the difference with iPad? Like iPhone, people will upgrade. Saturation is less relevant when you add new features like FaceTime--for instance, someone who got an iPad last year might love it but buy an iPad 2 so they can see their grandkids.

I do agree with you somewhat but you say that apple products are not suseptible to saturation? Ipod sales dipped 7 percent from the year before (Jan 2011 vs Jan 2010).. Its because it cant grow forever and people want to try new products. But all I am saying is that the market will become saturated eventually.. not saying in the next year but maybe 2 or 3. They are going to make a killing on Ipad sales before that point tho and hopefully for their shareholders will have some new products.

and what I was stating above is that these companies are hot on their heels with trying to get tablets out that are similar to the Ipad in a way that is way faster then people tried to get ipod like devices out.. This may increase the rate of saturation.

Beyon_Godlike said,

Not sure, but competitors are creating more powerful tablets such as the Playbook...


True, but Apple will sell more and make huge profits... so it's not like they have to change anything they've been doing.

itsthenewDC said,

True, but Apple will sell more and make huge profits... so it's not like they have to change anything they've been doing.

this is still yet to be seen though because there are a great deal of corporations out there that use Blackberry's server programs and that the playbook just seem to make more sense then the Ipad. The Ipad will sell more but dont underestimate the playbook

Renato456 said,

Actually I think the iPad 3 will have a hard time catching up when the Blackberry Thunderbolt, Motorola Xoom and Htc Flyer are out. They all have much better looking specs...
Not to mention that some have Android...

Specs mean nothing unless they have an apple logo on them to a lot of consumers.

Minimoose said,

Specs mean nothing unless they have an apple logo on them to a lot of consumers.


Unfortunatly you are right, it's all about the hype.

garygarfield said,
What next?

next
-adjective
1. immediately following in time, order, importance, etc.: the next day; the next person in line.
2. nearest or adjacent in place or position: the next room.
3. nearest in relationship or kinship.

Conjor said,
iPad 3 I would assume.
That was actually shown off as well. It's being released a mere month after the iPad 2, April 11.