Apple announces new MacBook Pros and the new US-made Mac Pro

As part of today's press event, Apple has announced two new versions of its MacBook Pro lineup of notebooks, both of which are available to purchase right now, as well as the new version of the Mac Pro desktop, which is launching in December and is being made in the US.

The new MacBook Pros will come in 13-inch and 15-inch versions, and both have Intel's fourth generation Core processors, code named Haswell, running things inside. The 13-inch version has up to nine hours of battery life with pricing that starts at $1,299. The 15-inch version has up to eight hours of battery life and will be priced starting at $1,999.

However, it was the new Mac Pro desktop that got most of the attention during the Mac part of the press event. The PC may have a starting price of $2,999 but this is a very high end rig inside its small size (9.9 inches tall and 6.6 inches in diameter) It has Intel quad-core Xeon processors inside, AMD FirePro D300 GPUs, and support for up to 64GB DRAM and up to 1 TB of SSD storage. Apple also claims that it is highly energy efficient and is as quiet as an Mac Mini. All in all, this is a pretty impressive machine for professional workstation jobs.

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Actually, I thought Apple's new plant was robotic.

Any manufacturing moving back to the US these days is because robots are now capable of doing the fine detail assembly work that only humans used to be able to do.

It's now cheaper to ship a product assembled by robot locally, so that's why manufacturing is moving back to the US now.

FTC: It will not be considered a deceptive practice for a marketer to make an unqualified U.S. origin claim if, at the time it makes the claim, the marketer possesses and relies upon competent and reliable evidence that: (1) U.S. manufacturing costs constitute 75% of the total manufacturing costs for the product; and (2) the product was last substantially transformed in the United States.

"Assembled in the USA" means the "last substantially transformed" portion of the product happened in the USA. Snapping 2 pieces together to make a product does not qualify for this, it has to be complex or many components. It must meet an "all or virtually all" standard as well.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/1997/12/epsmadeusa.htm

Not really liking this new Mac Pro, but at least now they take away the illusion that the system was upgradeable in the first place. I had a Mac Pro tower and besides adding in really basic things like memory, hard drives and Apple approved graphics cards at exorbitant prices, there wasn't really much upgrading to do.

- Sent from my GTX Titan

Really, why are people so obsessed with the new Mac Pro? Do you guys have ANY idea who the target audience is? Is their target audience individuals that buy new video cards and want to plug them in? Or is their target audience professionals that use this for business where $3,000 is nothing for them?

I wish Apple made a standard tower-based system, but they don't. This Mac Pro is not built for internal expansion. It is built for external expansion.

xWhiplash said,
Really, why are people so obsessed with the new Mac Pro? Do you guys have ANY idea who the target audience is? Is their target audience individuals that buy new video cards and want to plug them in? Or is their target audience professionals that use this for business where $3,000 is nothing for them?

I wish Apple made a standard tower-based system, but they don't. This Mac Pro is not built for internal expansion. It is built for external expansion.

You hit it on the head xWhiplash. The comments here are ridiculous. This machine is not intended for Gamer Joe who loves to upgrade his machine every 6 months. These machines are for personal or large businuesses that adequately use such hardware. The Mac Pros are reliable and built with 24/7 usage in mind.

JHBrown said,
You hit it on the head xWhiplash. The comments here are ridiculous. This machine is not intended for Gamer Joe who loves to upgrade his machine every 6 months. These machines are for personal or large businuesses that adequately use such hardware. The Mac Pros are reliable and built with 24/7 usage in mind.

They're made for professionals that like form and function. You just pay a lot more to have both.

Wait? a AMD video card inside of a MAC PRO? (which looks like a mini garbage can) I thought apple was always "Pro-NVIDIA"?

They're not going to be selling too many of these Mac Pros, so they'll probably be assembled during lunch breaks.

Ok so I can see that some ppl love to spend money on Apple overpriced stuff , so now lets get real...

Apple vs Alienware (Laptops)

Apple 13-inch now starting at $1299
Alienware 14-inch starts at Starting at $1,099

Specs:
Apple has a 2.4GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor (Turbo Boost up to 2.9GHz) with 3MB shared L3 cache, they don't provide the model so yeah… Alien has 4th Generation Intel® Core™ i5-4200M processor (3MB Cache, up to 3.1GHz).

Apple has 4gb of ram, Alien has 8
Apple has 128Gb SSD, Alien has 750Gb HDD and you can add 1 more SSD or HDD
Apple has Intel GPU, Alien has NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 750M GPU and Intel HD 4000 GPU
Apple has no optical drive, Alien has 1 Slot-Loading DVD/R/RW drive
Apple has 802.11ac is based on an IEEE draft specification a/b/g/n compatible and Bluetooth 4.0 , Alien has Killer NIC 1202 802.11n WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0

Now on the ports:

Apple has:
Native Mini DisplayPort output
HDMI video output
MagSafe 2 power port
Two Thunderbolt 2 ports (up to 20 Gbps)
Two USB 3 ports
SDXC card slot

Alien has:
(1x) RJ-45 Gigabit Ethernet IPv6 (2x) SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Ports
(1x) SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Port with PowerShare Technology
(1x) Mini-Display Port
(1x) HDMI 1.4 Output
(1x) 7-in-1 Media Card Reader
(2x) Audio Out 1/8" Ports (One compatible with inline mic headset)
(1x) Line In Microphone 1/8" Port (retaskable for 5.1 analog audio output)
(1x) Kensington Security Lock port


Now for keyboard, track pad, webcam, etc..

Apple has:
Full-size backlit keyboard, Multi-Touch trackpad and a 2MPX FFC.

Alien has:
4-Zone, multi-color RGB, keyboard with AlienFX lighting controls, Backlit button image sensor trackpad with all-points addressable (APA) and a 2MPX FFC.

OS:
Apple: Mac OS X
Alien: Windows 7 or Windows 8


Price:
Apple $1299 for a smaller screen, less storage, less memory, only 1 GPU , no Ethernet port, and Two Thunderbolt 2 ports.

Alienware 14 $1,099.00 for a bigger screen, more storage, more memory, 2 GPUS, WiFI , Ethernet and a DVD burner.


As a side note I would remind everyone that Alienware 14,17 and 18 are gaming laptops, so for 200 less you get a gaming laptop that you can expand later on, by getting more memory a second hard drive or ssd, another video card and a better processor.

Something that you could never do with Apple.

Sources:
http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-14/pd.aspx
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina/


As for the 15 inch version, well they got Alien on that one, since Alien doesn't have that screen size, instead they have the 17 inch version with a bundle 4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ processor (6MB Cache, up to 3.4GHz) and they start at $1,499

So if you have or want to pay more for less , go for the overpriced Apple one, if you want a laptop that you can play, work and upgrade (and that also has cool light effects) pick one of the Aliens.

Let the Apple fans hate flow…

As if any working person would buy that $3,000 desktop with no flexibility. That's for the executive type that needs something to read email on and wants to the most expensive thing they can find. It kind of looks like the wastebasket I got for my bathroom too.

Spicoli said,
As if any working person would buy that $3,000 desktop with no flexibility. That's for the executive type that needs something to read email on and wants to the most expensive thing they can find. It kind of looks like the wastebasket I got for my bathroom too.

Neat... can you throw this and all your future comments in it?

Hate Apple all you want, you won't get better value for such a powerfully productive environment. Especially when there are things that come with a system, unlike Windows.

Funny, compare all other products and devices outside Apple to what devices that COME with the products in Apple. Especially the ones that are free. Windows 8.1 doesn't count, and definitely not Office.

Mr.XXIV said,
Hate Apple all you want, you won't get better value for such a powerfully productive environment. Especially when there are things that come with a system, unlike Windows.

Seriously? Take any Mac OS product and find similar hardware with Windows. Guarantee Windows product is cheaper.

Ishanx said,
value and Apple don't go well together.

Good luck finding something else in a similar form factor with those specs for cheaper...

Really? Tell me.

Give me the prices of both OS's, both productive softwares and apps, Cloud. Everything. Tell me everything.

Yeah, I was actually pretty pleasantly surprised with this, the Mac Pro and the free OS X Mavericks. It does sound pretty cool but looking at Apple through the years, they haven't exactly been "value for money." Maybe they are looking to be more reasonable this year. Idunno.

Shockingly the new mac pro is a very good value. I'm just waiting for someone to hurr durr my i5 and GTX 780TI NO!!!! NO!!!! BAD!!!

Mr.XXIV said,
Hate Apple all you want, you won't get better value for such a powerfully productive environment. Especially when there are things that come with a system, unlike Windows.

Really? Still pumping out dual core based systems for $1,800+tax.

"better value" - i literally lol'd

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Really? Still pumping out dual core based systems for $1,800+tax.

"better value" - i literally lol'd

Please list cheaper alternatives...

Spicoli said,
So that must be why basically no one in the business world uses Apple. They're too productive with too much value! We can't even run the OS on our VMware cluster.

What planet do you live on?... The iPhone and iPad are used by just about every big company out there, and it's been growing for years. Their computer line is designed for professional design companies, which is a very small market, so obviously every company isn't going to be using Mac Pros...

Astra.Xtreme said,

What planet do you live on?... The iPhone and iPad are used by just about every big company out there, and it's been growing for years. Their computer line is designed for professional design companies, which is a very small market, so obviously every company isn't going to be using Mac Pros...

Planet Metro?!

Astra.Xtreme said,

Please list cheaper alternatives...

Cheaper is too easy. The real eye opener is when you can go to Dell, of all places, and find stuff for the same money that literally blows this Macbook Pro away. Around that price range you're getting a full quad core. Dedicated graphics. (the guy mentioned "power") Solid states, Windows 7 or 8 (the guy I replied to specifically mentioned being "productive"). At that pricing level you're into devices that come with touch screens and the option to use as a tablet or a laptop depending on your preference.

I think I know what I'd rather be spending close to two grand on.

I work for a design studio using 3D software and I can tell you right now I can spec up a PC with the OS that will wipe the floor spec wise compared to the new mac pro and still have some change after.

Im not hating on macs, the new mac pro is a lovely bit of kit but value for money compared to a PC, its not

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Elaborate on what you mean by this.

Design companies that work on a professional level. I don't know how much clearer one can be unless you're looking for hairs to split.

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Cheaper is too easy. The real eye opener is when you can go to Dell, of all places, and find stuff for the same money that literally blows this Macbook Pro away. Around that price range you're getting a full quad core. Dedicated graphics. (the guy mentioned "power") Solid states, Windows 7 or 8 (the guy I replied to specifically mentioned being "productive"). At that pricing level you're into devices that come with touch screens and the option to use as a tablet or a laptop depending on your preference.

I think I know what I'd rather be spending close to two grand on.

1. Not a mac book
2. Show me a speced dell with ~ 3.7GHz Quad-Core Xeon E5, 12GB DDR3 ECC @ 1866, Dual AMD FirePro @ 2GB GDDR5, and lets say 512GB SSD for sub $3,000.
3. "At that pricing level you're into devices that come with touch screens and the option to use as a tablet or a laptop depending on your preference. " LOL!

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Cheaper is too easy. The real eye opener is when you can go to Dell, of all places, and find stuff for the same money that literally blows this Macbook Pro away. Around that price range you're getting a full quad core. Dedicated graphics. (the guy mentioned "power") Solid states, Windows 7 or 8 (the guy I replied to specifically mentioned being "productive"). At that pricing level you're into devices that come with touch screens and the option to use as a tablet or a laptop depending on your preference.

I think I know what I'd rather be spending close to two grand on.

I asked for specific examples... Please match specs, similar build material, and similar chassis size, and cost of software.

benthebear said,

Design companies that work on a professional level. I don't know how much clearer one can be unless you're looking for hairs to split.

Which is strange. Where I work (professionally) we do "design" work. And we all, with the exception of one part time staff member, have a PC in front of us. Maybe Apple is cool with 1/12 of the market in our office.

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Elaborate on what you mean by this.

What I meant by professional design companies are companies that specialize in professionally designing things. Sorry about the lack of clarity.

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Which is strange. Where I work (professionally) we do "design" work. And we all, with the exception of one part time staff member, have a PC in front of us. Maybe Apple is cool with 1/12 of the market in our office.

I'll just quote your dude in the picture. U WOT M8?

Kalint said,

1. Not a mac book

Really? You're playing the "not a macbook" card as if it's an instant rebuttal?
Kalint said,

2. Show me a speced dell with ~ 3.7GHz Quad-Core Xeon E5, 12GB DDR3 ECC @ 1866, Dual AMD FirePro @ 2GB GDDR5, and lets say 512GB SSD for sub $3,000.

Show me a Macbook doing that. Seeings that's what we're talking about.
Kalint said,

3. "At that pricing level you're into devices that come with touch screens and the option to use as a tablet or a laptop depending on your preference. " LOL!

LOL translated as "Apple don't even give this option therefore disregard"?.

Try harder friend.

Astra.Xtreme said,

I asked for specific examples... Please match specs, similar build material, and similar chassis size, and cost of software.


Take your pick of the XPS12, XPS13 or just about any of their Alienware line and it'll provide a far superior performance/dollar ratio. You have the models...go see the light for yourself on Dell.com

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Really? You're playing the "not a macbook" card as if it's an instant rebuttal?

Show me a Macbook doing that. Seeings that's what we're talking about.

LOL translated as "Apple don't even give this option therefore disregard"?.

Try harder friend.

you're the first one to bring up Mac Book Pro! LOL! So going back to your previous bull, your office does design work solely on laptops?!

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Take your pick of the XPS12, XPS13 or just about any of their Alienware line and it'll provide a far superior performance/dollar ratio. You have the models...go see the light for yourself on Dell.com

Seriously? You didn't even read what I said...
The specs on those junk Dells are not even on the same planet as the Macbooks...
Better luck next time?

Kalint said,

you're the first one to bring up Mac Book Pro! LOL! So going back to your previous bull, your office does design work solely on laptops?!

The guy I replied to talked about "power" and "productivity". I could have picked any of these MacBook Pros and showed how they lack on power and productivity but carry the inflated price tag.

Astra Xtreme then, in a completely different train of thought posted "Their computer line is designed for professional design companies, which is a very small market, so obviously every company isn't going to be using Mac Pros..."

Provided you can follow more than one part of a conversation at once, you'll see it's obvious that part of the thread was about the "computer line" aka desktop machines. If you think we're all sitting here on laptops at the company I work for you need to brush up on your comprehension.

Astra.Xtreme said,

What I meant by professional design companies are companies that specialize in professionally designing things. Sorry about the lack of clarity.

Well I'm here working for a company and we "professionally design" things and 1 out of 12 staff members has a Mac based computer. 11 out of 12 of us have PCs.

If your statement "Their computer line is designed for professional design companies, which is a very small market" is true then Apple is failing in spectacular fashion. We seem to fit into this "professional design" niche you mention yet our computers (and our servers) are all PC/Windows based.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Seriously? You didn't even read what I said...
The specs on those junk Dells are not even on the same planet as the Macbooks...
Better luck next time?

Interesting...I guess a dual-core for $1800 is better than a quad-core starting at under $1000 in the Apple universe for example. I think what you mean to say is you're interested in form rather than function. Which is fine...but we're talking about power, productivity, performance and how those play into the price. Apple loses here just as it always has.

ROFLCOPTERS said,

The guy I replied to talked about "power" and "productivity". I could have picked any of these MacBook Pros and showed how they lack on power and productivity but carry the inflated price tag.

Astra Xtreme then, in a completely different train of thought posted "Their computer line is designed for professional design companies, which is a very small market, so obviously every company isn't going to be using Mac Pros..."

Provided you can follow more than one part of a conversation at once, you'll see it's obvious that part of the thread was about the "computer line" aka desktop machines. If you think we're all sitting here on laptops at the company I work for you need to brush up on your comprehension.

What are you going on about? We've asked you multiple times to prove your claim by citing specific examples of a PC with a lower pricetag and similar specs. You've yet to even attempt to justify yourself, so either you're too ignorant on the subject, or you simply can't admit when you're wrong.

Here, I'll make it very simple for you... The Zenbooks are the closest you can come to the Macbook line in terms of form-factor and specs. But guess what? For the same price, you get inferior components. SHOCKER!

ROFLCOPTERS said,

Interesting...I guess a dual-core for $1800 is better than a quad-core starting at under $1000 in the Apple universe for example. I think what you mean to say is you're interested in form rather than function. Which is fine...but we're talking about power, productivity, performance and how those play into the price. Apple loses here just as it always has.

Yeah because resolution, battery life, graphics performance, I/O ports, etc etc mean absolutely nothing and are worth nothing... Are you seriously that daft? This is starting to get sad...

ROFLCOPTERS said,

The guy I replied to talked about "power" and "productivity". I could have picked any of these MacBook Pros and showed how they lack on power and productivity but carry the inflated price tag.

Astra Xtreme then, in a completely different train of thought posted "Their computer line is designed for professional design companies, which is a very small market, so obviously every company isn't going to be using Mac Pros..."

Provided you can follow more than one part of a conversation at once, you'll see it's obvious that part of the thread was about the "computer line" aka desktop machines. If you think we're all sitting here on laptops at the company I work for you need to brush up on your comprehension.

and on that note!

Astra.Xtreme said,

Yeah because resolution, battery life, graphics performance, I/O ports, etc etc mean absolutely nothing and are worth nothing... Are you seriously that daft? This is starting to get sad...

Addressed in #2384627, You can find plenty of machines that will provide for your expectations. It just seems you don't want to look. You've been given the manufacturer and the models. All you need to do is actually run through the configurations on the site. Afraid of what you might find?

Astra.Xtreme said,

Yeah because resolution, battery life, graphics performance, I/O ports, etc etc mean absolutely nothing and are worth nothing... Are you seriously that daft? This is starting to get sad...

I'm a generous sort of guy so here's a completely different laptop from a different manufacturer (dem choices)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...t.aspx?Item=N82E16834152477
The closest MacBook Pro is $50 cheaper at $1,499 so we can expect it, as the cheaper product, to probably be slightly inferior specs wise *or* you can hope that it's actually the better device in terms of raw specifications and you're winning on that "value" proposition Mr.XXIV mentioned way up top

Lets take a look
CPU
MSI laptop: 2.4GHz QUAD core
MacBook Pro: 2.4GHz DUAL core
Literally NO comparison.

MEMORY
MSI: 12GB DDR3
MacBook: 8GB DDR3
Another clear winner here.

STORAGE
MSI: 128GB SSD + 500GB storage drive
MacBook: 256GB
More storage in the MSI machine. Arguably more convenient as you aren't totally wrecked if one drive fails.

GRAPHICS
MSI: GTX 765M 2GB dedicated
MacBook: Intel Iris (onboard)
The GTX in the MSI is vastly superior. Literally a different league superior.

Both have HDMI out. The MSI machine has mini-display out too (designed by Apple lol)...and 4x USB3 ports to the MacBooks 2x.

The Mac has a better resolution screen.
Battery life isn't listed for the MSI machine unfortunately but still being generous, we'll assume the MacBook is probably ahead here as it has the far weaker hardware.

So I guess the choice is yours.

ROFLCOPTERS said,

snip

Chalk up another fail...

The Macbook has massively better resolution, better/faster I/O, massively better battery life, better wifi, backlit keyboard, larger SSD, better form factor, higher quality build, the list goes on and on... Not to mention MSI makes some of the crappiest PCs on the market. They're on the same low level as Dell and Acer. I'll pass on that plastic junk.

You don't seem to understand the concept of how much resolution matters in a design PC. And you especially don't understand the value of components...

If you want to buy a cheap plastic Dell or MSI, go for it. Leave the quality products for the professionals...

Astra.Xtreme said

Chalk up another fail...

The Macbook has massively better resolution, better/faster I/O, massively better battery life, better wifi, backlit keyboard, larger SSD, better form factor, higher quality build, the list goes on and on... Not to mention MSI makes some of the crappiest PCs on the market. They're on the same low level as Dell and Acer. I'll pass on that plastic junk.

You don't seem to understand the concept of how much resolution matters in a design PC. And you especially don't understand the value of components...

If you want to buy a cheap plastic Dell or MSI, go for it. Leave the quality products for the professionals...

Very much on the kool aid.

You started, essentially, from the position "you can't get the same specification at the same price...go on I dare you to find one". Examples are given of where to find vastly superior value for money machines.

Because of that, you moved on to: "yea but what about the I/O Ports, gfx performance, battery, resolution". So another device is presented that offers perfectly acceptable specifications in 2 of the criteria and then betters or destroys the MacBook in the other 2. In addition it makes a mockery of the MacBook in just about every other area you could pick.

You're then reduced to such comedies as "better wifi". Wut.

You spoke of "design professionals" as the niche market Apple exploits with, in your opinion, it's superior hardware proposition. Myself, working in said industry and another guy (in said industry) basically said "you're talking nonsense" and all my posts thus far have explained why. It boils to - dollar for dollar - you always end up with a beefier and more capable machine when you go the PC route. If you're tripping over yourself as you carry suitcases of money to the bank every week then that's lucky for you but unfortunately, in the current economy, most businesses aren't as lucky. If you can't accept the reasoning then that's fine but it doesn't alter the facts.

In any event, why would a "design professional" use a MacBook? Guys designing themes for Tumblr while drinking a latte at their local coffee shop probably don't fall into this demographic if we're being serious.

Why would they even bother with a Mac Pro which is even more ludicrously priced? A design professional likely sits at a desk and probably has 2 or more full size desktop monitors for the actual design work. Apple, possibly tries to play to the Design demographic by focusing on the shape and size of the device when you go to "Tech Specs" on the Apple site. Note the first thing isn't the actual Technical Specifications but, basically, the shape and weight. It's probably just as well. The actual specifications themselves aren't worthy of the many thousands of dollars being asked for.

If the resolution of your screen trumps all the other advantages in the PC equivalent then fine but many will find that a quite ridiculous position. What I think the reason for your zealous cling to that advantage of the Mac is because its really the ONLY advantage of the Mac and you have no other option. It's rather sad to watch.

Edited by Sandor, Oct 22 2013, 9:43pm :

ROFLCOPTERS said,

ramble

Kool aid? I'm not the one that clearly has no knowledge of the matter...
I've presented you with factual comparisons, and all you've done is tip toe around the point... You really need to educate yourself before entering a discussion of such...

First of all, do you know what 802.11ac is? Clearly you don't... Look it up.
Second of all, learn the value of a high resolution screen. In dollar value and practicality.
I've listed numerous other advantages, so why you choose to ignore them is beyond me. Ignoring content to make a case is the most amateur and pathetic way to lose credibility....

"Why would a "design professional" use a MacBook"
Wow, just wow... Clearly you also don't know what the point of a display port is...

When you've done some research, come back and rework your stance...
Until then, thanks for the laugh...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Kool aid? I'm not the one that clearly has no knowledge of the matter...
I've presented you with factual comparisons, and all you've done is tip toe around the point... You really need to educate yourself before entering a discussion of such...

First of all, do you know what 802.11ac is? Clearly you don't... Look it up.
Second of all, learn the value of a high resolution screen. In dollar value and practicality.
I've listed numerous other advantages, so why you choose to ignore them is beyond me. Ignoring content to make a case is the most amateur and pathetic way to lose credibility....

"Why would a "design professional" use a MacBook"
Wow, just wow... Clearly you also don't know what the point of a display port is...

When you've done some research, come back and rework your stance...
Until then, thanks for the laugh...

Tip toe? Friend...I posted a small essay for you to enjoy and savor. It contains glorious facts and knowledge for you to consume and self-improve with

You speak of your laughter but your post makes you sound just a little bit mad. Are you mad, bro?

We can conclude your entire rationale for picking the MacBook Pro being discussed ($1,499 priced version) is the better screen (which is indeed superior) and the better wifi. There is no doubt .11ac is a great advance but where is the use case currently? Do you have an .11ac router at home? Does your workplace? Does your local mall or coffee shop? If not then there is zero advantage. Given that .11ac isn't even finalized yet I'd say the chances are slim that you have a capable router to connect to. Unless of course you have already plumped for the Airport "Extreme"...only twice the price of the N-capable "Express" router. Dat value and practicality.

If you're using your laptop "professionally" then it's instantly trolled out by that revolutionary "ethernet cable" that...heavens...does 1Gb! In that case I can almost guarantee you have a router capable of that in your workplace. I do find it interesting such gaping performance improvements such as a quad core processor over a dual core, or a powerful dedicated gfx setup over an Intel onboard attempt are seemingly "not relevant" but a non-finalized, minimally adopted wireless standard is of prime importance. Did you just self troll, friend? I think you might have.

Edited by Sandor, Oct 22 2013, 10:18pm :

Just stop. This has been discussed over and over and over and over again. EVERY LITTLE BIT adds up. EVERYTHING...... You can't pick and choose what components you wish to compare.

You guys forget Thunderbolt. You don't have a need for it? It does not matter, it is in the system. I am sure that adds to the cost of the system.

You guys are forgetting the free software (iLife). Does it cost Apple $0 to make that? No, so the price is absorbed in the cost of the system.

You guys are forgetting about the courtesy free one-time Apple One-on-One session. Do the Apple Store employees do those for free? No, they get paid for that. The cost is absorbed in the pricing of the system.

You guys are forgetting cheap plastic vs aluminum unibody. Those do not cost the same.

xWhiplash said,
Just stop. This has been discussed over and over and over and over again. EVERY LITTLE BIT adds up. EVERYTHING...... You can't pick and choose what components you wish to compare.

You guys forget Thunderbolt. You don't have a need for it? It does not matter, it is in the system. I am sure that adds to the cost of the system.

You guys are forgetting the free software (iLife). Does it cost Apple $0 to make that? No, so the price is absorbed in the cost of the system.

You guys are forgetting about the courtesy free one-time Apple One-on-One session. Do the Apple Store employees do those for free? No, they get paid for that. The cost is absorbed in the pricing of the system.

You guys are forgetting cheap plastic vs aluminum unibody. Those do not cost the same.

I just took so many calls today after the event taking orders and giving information to customers, and they were seriously excited about the new lineups.

xWhiplash said,
Just stop. This has been discussed over and over and over and over again. EVERY LITTLE BIT adds up. EVERYTHING...... You can't pick and choose what components you wish to compare.

You guys forget Thunderbolt. You don't have a need for it? It does not matter, it is in the system. I am sure that adds to the cost of the system.

You guys are forgetting the free software (iLife). Does it cost Apple $0 to make that? No, so the price is absorbed in the cost of the system.

You guys are forgetting about the courtesy free one-time Apple One-on-One session. Do the Apple Store employees do those for free? No, they get paid for that. The cost is absorbed in the pricing of the system.

You guys are forgetting cheap plastic vs aluminum unibody. Those do not cost the same.

If the cost is absorbed into the pricing, it's not free. Just sayin'

I for one would much rather skip the iLife and One-on-one and save some cash in that case...

Dude..iLife has been free on new Macs, and now iWork, which makes me care even less about Office. You don't need One-to-One unless you're a computer novice.

thepaulomalley said,
Don't suppose you have checked out Sony's Vaio Pro series perchance...

Who cares, it's a Windows PC all around, the same ecosystem, it's practically irrelevant.

It does not matter. iLife costs money to make. Therefore, they HAVE to make that money somehow. You get iLife when you get a Mac. It is included in the price.

Don't forget iWork now, and both iLife and iWork are now included in iOS 7. I sold these new Macbooks right after the announcement, people were anxious to know about them and buy them.

Don't you need an iOS device purchased after September 1st, 2013 to qualify? That just proves that they make their money from these programs by the cost of their devices.

Also, what about Thunderbolt? Something these PC comparisons seem to ignore. Isn't Thunderbolt expensive to add?

If it costs more than $0, you better bet that they will increase the price depending on how much Thunderbolt is to add to their computers.

Let's also not forget that they are a business, so yeah comparing Apple products to Newegg has always been a poor poor comparison.

And the build quality increased the cost of the product, therefore the price for the consumer increases.