Apple asking for $3 billion from Samsung

We’ve been here before. Samsung copied Apple without their permission; when confronted with the charges they fought them, but lost, with Apple being granted $1.05 billion in damages. Well, what does Apple think of that? How about asking the original Judge, Lucy Koh, to treble the original fine to $3 billion?

Well that is exactly what Apple has done! Not content with seeing the infringing Samsung devices (including the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Galaxy SII) being banned from sale in the US, Apple are literally going for the kill in asking for the fine to be tripled.  If granted, it would be the largest damages ever awarded in a patent dispute.

Samsung tried to have the initial ban halted, so that the Tab 10.1 could be sold stateside, but Koh overturned the move just four days ago. Apple is saying that Samsung “knowingly” copied its designs and that is why they are asking for the increase in damages.

Apple lawyers are working feverishly behind the scenes, believing that Samsung should pull out of the US market altogether. This should also be a warning to all other Android phone makers, such as HTC and Motorola, both of which already have their own Apple patent issue to deal with.

Should the question be asked why Apple is asking for so much money? For a company that is doing so well in the current economic climate, have so many loyal fans and Apple themselves say they don’t care about money, just great products, why ask for more money on top of what they were already awarded? That’s a question only Apple can answer.

So, where does this leave Samsung? They have asked Koh to toss the jury findings out, stating that if she doesn’t, they will appeal any and all decisions against them.

Source: GoMo News | Image: Talk Android

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Good grief! seriously now! I never had anything against Apple but this kind of crud is ridicules!

I own a galaxy s 3 omfw its looks and feels nothing like an iphone so dont know what Apple is on about.

What goes around comes around!

Apple is just a big cry baby now because they see that there little market is not going to last forever.

I rate Samsung should just by Apple hahahahaha why not?

I mean just look at Samsung products TVs, phones, everything is just light years ahead of apple with product base.

I dunno lets see what happens.... this is just pathetic.


I'm pretty dense with respect to patents, but I seem to recall that if the infringement was committed with awareness of the existing patent, that's considered grounds for some multiple on the damages. Possibly double, triple, I forget.

Could be totally wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me if Apple, having won the case in terms of "Samsung violated our patents" is going for "Samsung knowingly and intentionally violated our patents," hence the escalation.

I'm now seriously hating apple. Its now just and apple logo ... nothing else after Steve Job.
Steve job died ... Apple has also Died with him. What is now we are just seeing is apple logo.. and F**king loser like behaviour.

I wonder what the magic figure is to Samsung before a) they flip them the bird selling components to them and b) when they pull the LTE 4G patents they are claiming Apple are infringing upon.

I have a feeling however this turns out, Apple is going to go after every Android maker and win each verdict with hundreds of million with the same Judge. Thermonuclear war with Android!

As if $1Bln. wasn't enough for this power hungry company! Apple are becoming downright pathetic. Someone really needs to give them a taste of their own medicine!

Apple themselves say they don't care about money, just great products, ... so is that truth apple get out from the court room and competed with the maker with Samsung!!!

Okay Apple you are officially in my list of most hated companies... Actually that list only has one company. YOU!

Ha, This shows just how ridiculous Apple is. Maybe they should spend less time and money on lawsuits and more money on trying to actually build a good device! This is hurting Apple's reputation much more than Samsung's!

Im never buying another iphone ever again, its pathetic. If a phone salesman tries to sell me an iphone 5 ill throw it on the floor and stamp the crap out if it,

psionicinversion said,
Im never buying another iphone ever again, its pathetic. If a phone salesman tries to sell me an iphone 5 ill throw it on the floor and stamp the crap out if it,

you break you pay, so you end up buying it anyways.

One would think Apple would have brought this point up during the first case. Part of me wants to think that Apple intentionally didn't, just so they can see how much money they got from the first decision, then tack on more and more later.

Anyways, I stopped buying Apple products a long time ago. Shattered screens are kind of a deal-breaker.

This fine increase is ridiculous, they don't like competition devaluing their goods, awww tough **** apple, grow a pair you whining babies!!!

If they want to show they are better, then take them on head on and actually produce a product BETTER, not this cutting-the-corners crap!

Looks to me like a shrewd move by Apple. Buoyed by their success through the court which, let's face it, was played out mostly tongue-in-cheek, they are now hedging their bets at eliminating Samsung from the US market or, heavily disrupting their ability to compete.

If the court was willing to side with them on so many of those counts and by jury no less, it's almost a no-brainer - there's nothing to lose now by upping the damages being sought. They might actually be awarded as much as $1b from the initial $3b claim instead of perhaps a few hundred million on the back of Samsung's appeal of $1b.

It's all popcorn and coke to me, I'm getting a Lumia 920.

CtrlShift said,

It's all popcorn and coke to me, I'm getting a Lumia 920.

Actually it isn't; just because you don't care doesn't mean you won't get affected by this (this kind of decisions struggles competition and generally increases prices).

SongHyeonDeok said,
This isn't about the money, it's about sending a message...

I feel Apple have nothing more to offer in mobile technology. Everyone can see this with there current release compared to Samsung's products (ie SGS3). There trying to get as much money as possible before everything apple related starts to hit the floor... Seems like there struggling to keep there head above the water..

Atari.2600 said,

I feel Apple have nothing more to offer in mobile technology. Everyone can see this with there current release compared to Samsung's products (ie SGS3). There trying to get as much money as possible before everything apple related starts to hit the floor... Seems like there struggling to keep there head above the water..


Apple struggling, nah, well not yet. they still have the whole hipster army that will continue to buy their stuff.

Atari.2600 said,

I feel Apple have nothing more to offer in mobile technology. Everyone can see this with there current release compared to Samsung's products (ie SGS3). There trying to get as much money as possible before everything apple related starts to hit the floor... Seems like there struggling to keep there head above the water..

I am sure in a year they will be filing for bankruptcy. All current iPhones and iPods will self combust, Apple Stores around the world will be looted and burnt to the ground. They will probably build parking lots over the ashs.

Ever since the Galaxy line came on the scene with its innovative ripple sound effects and huge screens. No contest.

Atari.2600 said,

I feel Apple have nothing more to offer in mobile technology. Everyone can see this with there current release compared to Samsung's products (ie SGS3). There trying to get as much money as possible before everything apple related starts to hit the floor... Seems like there struggling to keep there head above the water..

I don't think so, just look at the iPhone 5, is it the best phone on the market? Probably not, but it still sells spectacularly well because it's become something more than just a phone, it's a fashion statement.

Not to say the iPhone 5 isn't good or anything, it just isn't about the hardware for most people.

Minimoose said,
I hope the judge just cancels it and tells Apple and Samsung to stop wasting people's time.

Unlikely. She seems to rather like Apple... so there's a good possibility she will grant them the damages they want!

Chicane-UK said,

Unlikely. She seems to rather like Apple... so there's a good possibility she will grant them the damages they want!

Sounds like a fair trial.

Apple is going to make themselves look like a overly dangerous company to competitors. I can see the technology market avoiding business as a whole with them soon. I mean how many major companies are they suing? lol

bobbba said,
Sounds like a lot but then Samsung copied a lot so...
Hurr durr copied my round corners derpity derp.

the judge will almost certainly increase the fine. Clearly the judge is corrupt, corporations buy judge verdicts hence when corporations almost always win their cases.

I consider myself a fairly educated person, but honestly I have to say that's the first time in my entire 4.5 decades of living that I've ever seen the word "treble" used in such a manner - and yes I'm aware it means triple/tripling of something (aside from the use as an audio-related term) but but but... seems like more people would understand "triple" just as readily, oh well.

Oh, and if for some unlikely reason the Judge gives that to Apple, Samsung really SHOULD pay it in truckloads of nickels.

br0adband said,
I consider myself a fairly educated person, but honestly I have to say that's the first time in my entire 4.5 decades of living that I've ever seen the word "treble" used in such a manner - and yes I'm aware it means triple/tripling of something (aside from the use as an audio-related term) but but but... seems like more people would understand "triple" just as readily, oh well.

Oh, and if for some unlikely reason the Judge gives that to Apple, Samsung really SHOULD pay it in truckloads of nickels.

Haha, noticed that as well. But this is Neowin whose motto is, "where unprofessional journalism looks better." So that settles it then.

br0adband said,
I consider myself a fairly educated person, but honestly I have to say that's the first time in my entire 4.5 decades of living that I've ever seen the word "treble" used in such a manner - and yes I'm aware it means triple/tripling of something (aside from the use as an audio-related term) but but but... seems like more people would understand "triple" just as readily, oh well.

Oh, and if for some unlikely reason the Judge gives that to Apple, Samsung really SHOULD pay it in truckloads of nickels.


Many of us here in the US fully understand what "treble" means in the context of legal actions/awards. Likely mostly in the last several years where it seems to pop up like crazy in these stupid lawsuits everywhere.

virtorio said,
Why not make it $4 billion, one for each rounded corner?
What happened to it "not being about the money"?

Don't worry, the companies marketing department have that coming up!

virtorio said,
What happened to it "not being about the money"?

It's not about the money... it's about all the stuff you can buy with it

Not content with seeing the infringing Samsung devices (including the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Galaxy SII) being banned from sale in the US

Galaxy Tab 10.1 is currently banned because of the preliminary injunction, but it was found not infringing.

Samsung tried to have the initial ban halted, so that the Tab 10.1 could be sold stateside, but Koh overturned the move just four days ago.

Koh didn't overturn the move, she just can't do anything about it until the Federal Circuit decides on Samsung's appeal. The district court has currently no jurisdiction over the injunction.

valhalla_rk said,
That's simple.
if the lawers won't produce money they will be fired.

seems like everyone in Apple has got revenue targets.

Beyond Godlike said,
Apple HQ just needs tobe Napalmed at this point. Theyre just showcasing everything thats wrong with the patent system.

I'd throw a party if someone bombed Apple. Not even joking.

Apple have been reacting to Samsung rather foolishly. knowing that the iPhone 5 is nothing compared to what Samsung has to offer, they are trying to be the bully and think US is there school, they are at it with there dirty arrogant tricks. I sincerely hope someone gives Apple a taste of there own medicine.

PalletTown said,
It was beyond a joke before, now it's just plain idiotic. I seriously hope she just Falcon punches everyone involved.

I would rather she just let Apple & Samsung donkey punch each other and be done with this ****.

Should the question be asked why Apple is asking for so much money? For a company that is doing so well in the current economic climate, have so many loyal fans and Apple themselves say they don't care about money, just great products, why ask for more money on top of what they were already awarded? That's a question only Apple can answer.

To stifle competition, they either try to buy out or sue to bankruptcy anyone they feel threatened by, its very telling.

TheLegendOfMart said,

To stifle competition, they either try to buy out or sue to bankruptcy anyone they feel threatened by, its very telling.

Have to say, I do agree to a point.

TheLegendOfMart said,

To stifle competition, they either try to buy out or sue to bankruptcy anyone they feel threatened by, its very telling.

You'd think there are laws against such behaviour? Oh, wait...

Uplift said,
have some dignity apple.

I know. Is this a joke? I quote Steve Jobs "I don't care about the money, I just want to make good products". I don't like how either company does business but this is way too far. If that iJudge grants this then I think she should be impaled on a stick and publicly humiliated.

ingramator said,

I know. Is this a joke? I quote Steve Jobs "I don't care about the money, I just want to make good products". I don't like how either company does business but this is way too far. If that iJudge grants this then I think she should be impaled on a stick and publicly humiliated.


I don't think pornography is the answer here

dvb2000 said,
Just goes to show how much apple are afraid of the Galaxy S3!

Not really... They would just really like Samsung to stop stealing their property. It does say that in the article in clear English.

ingramator said,
I know. Is this a joke? I quote Steve Jobs "I don't care about the money, I just want to make good products". I don't like how either company does business but this is way too far. If that iJudge grants this then I think she should be impaled on a stick and publicly humiliated.

Steve Jobs was like the Lich King. With him gone, the scourge will shatter this realm! D:

/warcraft-reference