Apple bashes Windows 7 at WWDC

Apple is announcing new MacBooks, new iPhones and its next generation OS, Snow Leopard today but during its Keynote at WWDC they dug hard at Microsoft.

Bertrand Serlet, Senior Vice President of Software Engineering at Apple, took the stage and began digging at Vista saying "what a big hole Microsoft has dug," and adding that "they're trying to get out of it with Windows 7." He carried on following up with an attack of Windows 7 saying it has "even more complexity" than Vista because it's just based on the "same old tech as Vista."

Apple is notorious for attacking Windows based PCs in its Get A Mac adverts.

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Snow Leopard is copying Windows 7.

WWDC 2009 Bertrand Serlet talks Snow Leopard.
-90% Refinements.
-Technologies.
-Exchange.

Copying...
-Leopard to Snow Leopard.
-WIndows Vista to Windows 7.

-Windows 7 Superbar Running Peek Preview.
-Clutter (Expose) in Snow Leopard.

-Windows 7 Build uppon Vista.
-Snow Leopard build uppon Leopard.

-Windows 7 is better than vista.
-Snow Leopard build a better Leopard.

-Fast OS installation in Windows 7.
-Fast OS installation in Snow Leopard.

-More resizeable OS space in Windows 7.
-More resizeable OS space(compressed) in Snow Leopard.

-Windows Media Player 11 & 12 full screen mode.
-Snow Leopard Quicktime X full screen mode look familiar...

-Why Snow Leopard Upgrade so cheap $29:
No many to upgrade.
No new things.
Still same as old Leopard.

all there responses here are The CLASSICAL apple bashing,
Windows trolls really does not, calm down (don't know whats driving them mad, maybe their non-satisfaction with what they are defending? maybe apple is too threatening ? maybe Microsoft inability to keep up ?
maybe because they are used to afford junk (not all pcs) and believe that they had the best quality until apple came along?! and now thats too pricy for you?! guess what, thats what quality costs!.. even if they are more expensive than the standard high quality margin would be,... its worth it..

the IDEA.. is not that narrow minded to the point that you see it just the same PC components in a shiny overpriced package!! (I won't explain it.. because if you really care to know you would research that honestly yourself than just bashing!..

Macs works, entirely different that what PCs approach is. from a hardware point (as you can easily connect your harddrive to someone else's mac and boot it without installing drivers.. even if the specifications of the two systems are different or has different Peripherals or components cards!, excluding some Mac Pro third Party Expansion cards that require driver installations).. thats of-course regardless of that every piece of software or whatever are completely supported and compatible and trouble free, as if you had a game console and buying games and peripherals for it.., you are sure that games will work and won't be slow.. and its perfect for the console, and that would be it for any upcoming game that will be released for that console.. try imaging that with macs as they are consoles and its software and peripherals are like its games.. (of course excluding the ppc, and any big transition that could come up in the future)

as from an OS point of view, I cannot really compare OSX to windows. it would be unfair for both of them
bit i can say (and i've been using both from a long time) that OSX beats windows hands down when it comes to convenience!! ( there is alot to say here,.. but you can find that out yourself if you care)
also you cannot get that good feeling and sense of joy while using OSX from windows..
as for windows its has its strong points too, as for example being..duh. WINDOWS, and its wide software availability and some other business and professional usage domain strong points..

But as a blind fact, i see OSX as an innovative OS when it comes to how OSX works!..
I can't imagine how are you guys living with yourselves that easily when you are just denying apple innovation, or being innovative!
all you see that their products are garbage, pricy, etc... Don't you ever have something new to say? because I sense that the way here is just bashing.. and no valid arguments..
it looks like the classic arguments when atheists try to deny the existence of god, although they know that GOD is there!
so calm down..

AND I INVITE EVRY Mac USER TO STOP RESPONDING OR WRITING COMMENTS ON NEOWIN... because if thats the way windows trolls's gonna be, then lets leave them talking to themselves!

I don't say that all windows users here are that way though,.. so I hope i've not offended everyone!..
thanks.

Is amazing how flamebait works well this day, not just but two news on neowin saying almost the same.
Apple put a evident flamebait as a cheap ads campaign, they are a genius!.

It's as old and immature as the SNES vs Genesis fests. But, those were usually between children. I cannot really understand why the Internet is up in arms. Move on. Stop assuming we all agree with Bertrand.

I think MS is going to be the clear winner within the next decade. Apple's had it's fun run with OS X but MS+Vendors working together building up confidence and innovating together post-Vista is going to benefit everyone.

Also, did they forget that most of the applications in Vista x64 were, in fact, 64 bit? That OS came out in 2006.

Seriously this was pretty lame considering this was a developers conf, I guess all coders, developers respect each others code and would'nt go around bashing each others. Bad Apple bad!

I just don't get where apple is coming from both snow leopard and windows 7 are minor upgrades. Honestly on the outside both look like they have had minor UI updates. What Microsoft did to overhaul Vista to make Windows7 in incredible. Underneath Windows 7 yes is Windows NT, but underneath Snow Leopard its still some of the same as the previous OSX line

If everyone in the world used mac and a few people used Windows everyone would think Mac was highly flawed, the fact is windows is so easily to infect with viruses because programmers know that all the majority of computer users use windows so they dont bother programming viruses for macs

What steve jobs and the rest of the Apple cult keep forgetting. Is that if it weren't for bill Gates and Microsoft and the partnership they formed in the late 90's, there would be no more Apple.

apples so screwed really, you never see apple OS make any news because its really nothing that spectacular..its a service pack deemed a new OS
they are doing what they usually do, seeing a competitor doing better, being jealous, and instead of boasting about what their products can do they start bashing others(and really, you cant bash W7..)

Just glancing some comments over and the fact that I tested the RC for awhile, Apple has obviously been reading up on the great publicity that Win7 is garnering. Win 7 is finally the OS that will give MAC OSX a run for it's money in EVERY way.

I'm kinda happy Vista turned out the way it did. Apple got complacent and now they see the juggernaut Bitch!!!!

So couldn't the same be said about Snow Leopard,

It looks just like Leopard and o wait its the same tech as Leopard too

It's funny that with Operating Systems and Politics it is considered a fair thing to bash your opponents.

You don't see the same kind of bare knuckle mud slinging in any other consumer product, politics being a consumer product these days :-).

Perhaps because when it comes down to it the differences between the two choices at hand are not that much.

Is it a good idea to bash Windows 7 and then pressure MS to lower their upgrade price. If your apple you would want the Windows upgrade to be expensive or stay the same price range.

by the way, how can 7 be "justa re-brand of vista" when it performs so much better.

Someone got win7 running on a pentium II, i'd like to see vista do that
(i realise its pointless to do such a thing, but the point is that windows 7 is a LOT more compatible with older PCs than vista ever was.
It gives people a lot more options!

LOL........gee, apple bashing MS.....never saw that coming.
I never had any problems with Vista, just a tad slow....Been running Win7 since beta 7000, and now RC1, not
one issue....4 year old dell E1505, 2 gig ram. Runs like a champ.

Apple is right, but so what?

All they have been doing for the past few years is make their customers pay for glorified service packs every few months.

"trying to get out of it with windows 7"

and the whole "omg its built on vista so it MUST be crap!"

these statements are plain stupid.. has anyone heard of PROGRESS??
what do they expect MS to do, go back to win2k/xp and build on that instead? I love those 2 OS' but things dont get anywhere by sticking to the same thing that works all the time..

I hated vista, but give MS some credit, they're not clinging to it anymore, they're moving on to bring us bigger and better things in 7.

Unfortunately "omg apple is way more awesome than MS" or vice versa trolling will always continue to happen on articles like this.. i find it annoying but maybe thats just me..

I find it pathetic that Apple can do nothing but bash Vista/Microsoft. EVERY Apple commercial, tells absolutely nothing about their own operating system, its always a commercial that does nothing but bash Microsoft. It wasn't until recently Microsoft started fighting back, good for them.

Apparently the Apple operating system has no features worth talking about.

If Microsoft does come out with the lower upgrade prices, it will definitely improve their sales and popularity.

based on vista tech? well no duh, vista was absolutely great. i'm not surprised they'd recycle and vamp up "good tech" it's smart and cost efficient for the company. never was anything wrong with it in the first place.

in any case, it's a bit ironic that apple is bashing for "same tech" while they just put the word "snow" in front of their new upcoming OS.

"what a big hole Microsoft has dug," and adding that "they're trying to get out of it with Windows 7."
Id say its working so far...

I can't believe this made the first page on Neowin. The guy pretty much said "still DLL hell, still the good old registry, ...". It was harsh the way he said that, but it does't deserve the front page either.

If you did that every time Apple or MS bashed each other, you'd write like 10 new article every day just for that. Ridiculous...

Wow all of you are microsoft fanboys. Mac bashes on PC, and PC bashes on Mac, its just the way it is, and how its going to stay. PC's and Mac's will NEVER along.

Pccw9 said,
Wow all of you are microsoft fanboys. Mac bashes on PC, and PC bashes on Mac, its just the way it is, and how its going to stay. PC's and Mac's will NEVER along.

How does PC bash Mac other than quoting price differences?

In the commercials, almost every time the buyer would say "Apple is all about prosthetics" or "wow thats expensive" or "It only has 2GB of ram" blah blah blah

Pccw9 said,
In the commercials, almost every time the buyer would say "Apple is all about prosthetics" or "wow thats expensive" or "It only has 2GB of ram" blah blah blah

But that is not MS bashing Apple. Just comments people make. And say that it is expensive or only has 2gb of RAM is not bashing. There is a BIG difference from what MS is doing compared to Apple.

Hum, the ads are probably tricked or something to begin with. The text must be decided way before filming the ad. Otherwise, MS chooses the best quotes of the people and put it in their ads.

Also, it does not change the fact that I could point up at WWDC, say "Windows blows" and it would be as bad as it is right now. It's not because I said it and I am not linked to Apple in any manner that it makes things better. It's what they chose to say to the public, period.

MS bashes Apple, Apple bashes MS. They are competitors, they will always do it.

PsykX said,
Hum, the ads are probably tricked or something to begin with. The text must be decided way before filming the ad. Otherwise, MS chooses the best quotes of the people and put it in their ads.

Also, it does not change the fact that I could point up at WWDC, say "Windows blows" and it would be as bad as it is right now. It's not because I said it and I am not linked to Apple in any manner that it makes things better. It's what they chose to say to the public, period.

MS bashes Apple, Apple bashes MS. They are competitors, they will always do it.

Look back and notice that MS never said anything about Apple or "bashed them" until Apple released their ads. But again, Ms is not really bashing Apple. Did MS mention apple at all during their event?...no...

Well, Windows 7 is being built on Vista, which is crappy. Snow Leopard is being built on Leopard, which was Apple's most successful OS yet, and didn't have any major problem. Apple is just trying to improve on an already good OS, Leopard.

Pccw9 said,
Well, Windows 7 is being built on Vista, which is crappy. Snow Leopard is being built on Leopard, which was Apple's most successful OS yet, and didn't have any major problem. Apple is just trying to improve on an already good OS, Leopard.

Never had a problem with Vista myself...so dont see what the problem is.

Pccw9 said,
Well, Windows 7 is being built on Vista, which is crappy. Snow Leopard is being built on Leopard, which was Apple's most successful OS yet, and didn't have any major problem. Apple is just trying to improve on an already good OS, Leopard.

This is where the fanboy logic fails. Windows 7 is being built off Vista which supposedly sucked, yet 7 itself is supposedly awesome. Some of you are just plain morons.

Wow, the exchanges here are pretty funny, and at times, downright pathetic. Good grief, you'd think some of you had serious financial stake in Microsoft or Apple the way you go at each other. Wow.

Anyway, I think the changes in Snow Leopard are good, and I'll be buying my $29 copy when it hits the shelves, and will also be buying some version of Windows 7 (probably Professional) when it debuts in October. Because, you know, both are damn fine operating systems.

And let me say this - although I've switched to Mac OS X as my primary OS in recent months, I cannot stand the way Apple goes after Microsoft. Promoting your company's products is fine, but with Apple, it crosses the line into childish, elitist behavior, and it makes them look very insecure and small. If your product is as good as you say it is, it should be able to stand on its own merits without the constant potshots at the competition.

I get accused of being a fanboy whenever I say anything remotely positive about their products. Sick of it on Neowin tbh.

But i'm with you 100% on the comment about Apple slating Microsoft. I've said it repeatedly over the last few years, normally in reference to their stupid stupid Mac vs PC adverts and of course now again in reference to them wheeling out Bertrand Serlet...

I want them to advertise / sell their products on what make them great. Every time they pick lumps out of Microsoft they're either setting themselves up for taking heat when THEY make a mistake (as Apple sometimes does!) or just getting the backs up of all the people who adore Microsoft products. Microsoft have their devoted fan-base much as Apple does..

Maybe it's a social experiment by Apple to try and measure the sheer amount of wasted energy / time people spend bickering about Mac vs PC on the internet. I bet it's a staggering amount...

so what if they are trying to dig theirself out of a hole?? yes vista failed, they made a mistake and have done an amazing job at redeeming themselves...

As I so often see Apple customers pointing out when comparing Zune vs. iPod: in the end, it's sales that matter.

Vista has sold more than Leopard. Which one is the failure?

I think this is just pathetic, what kind of self respecting company just goes and slags off another company in such a public way..

It's just low and pitiful..

Wrong, Apple provides free "service packs" (10.5.x updates are the same thing as what MS calls service packs, Apple just releases them more often)

Rudy said,
Wrong, Apple provides free "service packs" (10.5.x updates are the same thing as what MS calls service packs, Apple just releases them more often)


For Window User it's considered a "Service Pack" because of the minor enchancement.

The worm hasn't turned for Apple. It is still rotten to the core.

(Nice geek fight you have here, Tom. Thanks for letting me participate. ;-))

Let me show you why Windows 7 costs more to upgrade.

Time between Vista and 7: 3 years
Time between Leopard and SL: 2 Years
Difference: 33%
Windows 7: $50 (Upgrade)
Snow Leopard: $30 (Upgrade)
Difference in price: 40%

While Windows 7 may be priced 7% higher than the difference in time. In my opinion, more has changed from Vista to 7 than in Leopard to Snow Leopard.

Wow, what I find interesting is how everyone is scared of evolution. We saw it with Windows 2000 for business. No one used it and there was a mainstream move to Windows XP. Vista: No one used it in business and there's an expectation that companies will move to Win 7. Apple...well...no one uses it for business and now I hear that hardware BIOS' will go away for Win PCs, being managed by future Win OS's, something Apple has had for awhile now with their OS's.

C'mon Apple, stop being scared of evolution. You're not the only ones who can do it.

briangw said,
Wow, what I find interesting is how everyone is scared of evolution. We saw it with Windows 2000 for business. No one used it and there was a mainstream move to Windows XP.


This must be some other Windows 2000 that you're talking about.
Windows 2000 was wildly successful in business.

Heck, I still manage computers that use it.

Joe USer said,
This must be some other Windows 2000 that you're talking about.
Windows 2000 was wildly successful in business.

Heck, I still manage computers that use it.


Nope, we're talking evolution here. Win2k introduced new things that went into XP. More businesses adopted XP than Win2k; that's a fact. Same thing with Vista. Vista introduced new things that are getting fed over to Win 7. My whole point was about evolution, not about adoption. I can tell you that many businesses were afraid to move to 2000 while using NT 4.

Seriously Neowin, why even post a stupid article like this? All it's going to result in is the usual "APPLE IS BETTER" or "SCREW YOU - I HOPE STEVE JOBS DIES" or "MICRO$HAFT WINBLOWS" or the usual crap.

Why... why incite the fanboyism.

Sigh.

Chicane-UK said,
Seriously Neowin, why even post a stupid article like this? All it's going to result in is the usual "APPLE IS BETTER" or "SCREW YOU - I HOPE STEVE JOBS DIES" or "MICRO$HAFT WINBLOWS" or the usual crap.

Why... why incite the fanboyism.

Sigh.


Because it's news. News doesn't have to be pleasing.

wait, wasn't Apple recently saying MS is finally going the right direction with Windows 7 and its a major improvement? I sware I read someone high up at Apple said that not long ago

neufuse said,
wait, wasn't Apple recently saying MS is finally going the right direction with Windows 7 and its a major improvement? I sware I read someone high up at Apple said that not long ago

I remember this to

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

"Buy a Mac, they can finally run Windows!"
"Windows sucks... but Macs can still run it so switch anyway! Please!"

C_Guy said,
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

"Buy a Mac, they can finally run Windows!"
"Windows sucks... but Macs can still run it so switch anyway! Please!"


I love this, awesome.

Rudy said,
you guys realize the image makes no sense at all right?

You're right...I don't get it either. I mean, if you've been using OSX since Jaguar you would have bought at least 3 Macbooks by now...making the price more like $6,029 for Snow Leopard.

Getting really tired of Apple lately. It's enough they do it with the ads. Just go out and promote your ideas/things...

What ideas? They spend all their time fearing the competition they have yet to tell us what they (supposedly) do better?

what exactly can they make fun of 7 for? pretty much every site online give Windows 7 a 150% review...which it deserves

This company makes me feel sad about them.
I feel sorry for them, I hope they don't give up, good days will come, sun will shine again.

Now that they discovered 64bit, they Rock, MAN, you feel me ?

I'm no Apple fan (far from it), but the last time I checked Service Packs for Windows didn't contain major new features.

If all Snow Leopard was was security updates and bug fixes, then yeah it should be free. As it is, somebody has to pay for the development of all the new features.

Apple's Exposé feature is now built into the dock, also; this means that you can click and hold an app icon, and all of the open windows for it appear as you would expect them to.

Funny how this became a new feature in Snow Leopard. Windows 7 Aero Peek much?

Expose has had application-centric window switching since its inception. They're just exposing another way to mimic Aero Peek's implementation.

Ever watched a video with the Zune Software?
The new Quicktime player mimics it perfectly.
Just wanted to point out that Aero Peek is not the only thing Apple peeked at ;-)

Microsoft screw up everything. Expose on the dock, Windows 7 sucks, however, guys Microsoft Exchange is great software everything shall support it. Cool story bro

Oh look, Apple concentrating on bashing MS/PC/Window instead of focusing on their own capabilities, what else is new? It's the only way they know how to roll. Yawn.
Keep being stuck in stereotypes while Windows 7 is getting great reviews Apple, it will serve you right in the long run...
They are basically bashing MS for refining building on Vista while Snow Leopard is just that... an evolution of an already established OS. How is that different Apple?
You know, OSX is just not for me. But aside from that I would never switch to a Mac for the sole reason of not wanting to be associated with this type of attitude by Apple and it's fanboys.

It's funny how Apple choose words to bash Windows. "...same old tech" as if they were writing Snow Leopard from scratch.

We will see how the media embraces Windows 7, which will dictate the trend for a lot of people, just like Vista media coverage did. I still don't get why it got so bad coverage, but anyways..

Upgrades are only $29 because it's the exact same, boring OS they've been touting for the past decade. They need to work on all those damn security flaws in their products ( flash, reader, player, ect...)

huh, with all these security flaws i'm surprised i haven't had my entire macbook taken over, confidential information stolen and malware installed...

regardless, all companies do whatever they can if they think it will make them more money, even if it does divide opinion in the mean time. not long ago microsoft were the ones under the kosh for monopolising the software market through abusing their power (i.e. their ridiculous amount of money).

it's nothing new, and nothing to get heated about.

andrewbares said,
Leopard Security Flaws: 15%

Windows Vista Security Flaws: 5%


Windows is 3x more secure than Macs.


With that statement, my old dusty DOS machine is 2^n times more secure than either modern OS, simply because it can't do networking. :P

rm20010 said,
With that statement, my old dusty DOS machine is 2^n times more secure than either modern OS, simply because it can't do networking. :P


I really laugh out loud at my work place!!! Hilarious!

Listen people its called marketing and the free enterprising system, who cares what each company has said, its all about business.....

silverboy31 said,
Listen people its called marketing and the free enterprising system, who cares what each company has said, its all about business.....


Whatever. They lose integrity when doing that. Just show us why YOUR product is good.

...and by the way, my shoes are better than yours. Na na na na na naaa!

silverboy31 said,
Listen people its called marketing and the free enterprising system, who cares what each company has said, its all about business.....

Marketing is telling the consumers about their products...not bashing the competition and trying to find any way to discredit it. The PC vs Mac ads tell NOTHING about OSX and what it can or cannot do. Pathetic...and even more Pathetic that people fall for these kind of tactics and believe everything without finding out for themselves.

silverboy31 said,
Listen people its called marketing and the free enterprising system, who cares what each company has said, its all about business.....


Also, Apple is basically *proving* it's NOT a software company (which is why it charges diddly for OS 10.6, compared to 10.5). It's about not just marketing, but *image*. It wants to still look like David, competing against the Goliath that is Microsoft. Never mind that it has easily the most restrictive EULA for any operating system outside of UnixWare.

Image and marketing.

attacking you competitors products instead of focusing on your own products strength is the lowest form of marketing imo.
if you watched the apple adds on tv you'd pretty much know NOTHING about their products, just what they think is wrong with whoever they are trying to compete against.

techbeck said,
Marketing is telling the consumers about their products...not bashing the competition and trying to find any way to discredit it. The PC vs Mac ads tell NOTHING about OSX and what it can or cannot do. Pathetic...and even more Pathetic that people fall for these kind of tactics and believe everything without finding out for themselves.

Oh it's always pathetic pathetic pathetic, it's all about the end-product. Only petty tossers weigh up the pros and cons of the companies business strategies before even viewing the product they have to offer.

hotdog963al said,
Oh it's always pathetic pathetic pathetic, it's all about the end-product. Only petty tossers weigh up the pros and cons of the companies business strategies before even viewing the product they have to offer.

Again wow...you didnt read what I said BEFORE you commented.

I said its pathetic people fall for the negative adverts before finding out for themselves. In simple language, for you to understand, this means looking in to the products, evaluating them, and then making a decision on what you want.

Get it? Got it? If not...oh well...moving on.

hotdog963al said,
Oh it's always pathetic pathetic pathetic, it's all about the end-product. Only petty tossers weigh up the pros and cons of the companies business strategies before even viewing the product they have to offer.

I think this guy is a troll, his comments scream it everytime he posts, just ignore him.

Think of it this way, if there was one popular product, but the profits of it went to the Taliban, would you buy the product? If so then I think you need to sort your morals out. (Yes i'm comparing Apple to the Taliban, but I think this guy needs an extreme example to understand the simple reasoning)

hotdog963al said,
Oh it's always pathetic pathetic pathetic, it's all about the end-product. Only petty tossers weigh up the pros and cons of the companies business strategies before even viewing the product they have to offer.

hotdog963al said,
Lol, whatever dude, enjoy your inferior products. (I'm not even big Apple fan or anything, I just think it's ****ing retarded to judge the company over the product).

sooooo...how the hell DO you reckon we should weigh up the "pros and cons" of companies' business strategies nao?

andrewbares said,
And it's never successful. Can someone sue Apple for constantly lying please???

You can't sue Apple. They always speak the truth. And if they don't they make it the truth. They're like Chuck Norris.

andrewbares said,
And it's never successful. Can someone sue Apple for constantly lying please???

MS would if they could, but it's clever marketing just on the right side.

The thing is that, yes, Windows 7 *IS* still building on the same DLL and registry makeup, and that's all Apple was saying. They can't sue for this. It's true. It's silly, yes. But it's as true as the sun shining every day.

Jugalator said,
MS would if they could, but it's clever marketing just on the right side.

The thing is that, yes, Windows 7 *IS* still building on the same DLL and registry makeup, and that's all Apple was saying. They can't sue for this. It's true. It's silly, yes. But it's as true as the sun shining every day.

And Apple is building on an OS they didn't even lay the groundwork for in the first place and which is from the 70's. Go figure. In other words, who are they trying to fool.

Jugalator said,
MS would if they could, but it's clever marketing just on the right side.

The thing is that, yes, Windows 7 *IS* still building on the same DLL and registry makeup, and that's all Apple was saying. They can't sue for this. It's true. It's silly, yes. But it's as true as the sun shining every day.


What they didn't say is that their SnowLeopard is also built on-top the old Darwin.

Not sure. But if the prices hold from that leaked best buy memo, then Microsoft will still be a good threat. Apples comments is its ways to get the apple fans hyped up and talking lol. I own a mac, I'm waiting patiently for 10.6, and like the upgrade price, but they tend to go a bit over board a lot of the time and its upgrade value isn't nearly as there as 7 for me, so I'll have to save my final judgment until I finally install 10.6 to compare.

imo, Starter Edition just doesn't cut it! I hope they do offer some lappies (especially netbooks) with higher end edition of 7.

Awww, poor Apple is scared cuz Windows 7 is faster, more steam lined, and the RC copies are getting GREAT reviews.

This is one of the main reasons I am getting rid of my iPod and will never own another Apple product again. Apple cannot do business without slamming the competition and using immature marketing tactics.

And calling 7 the same tech as Vista...haha. Its improved over vista. Yea, its based off of Vista but so is the crap Snow leopard based of of leopard.

Very lame reason to give up a consumer device which is actually good, just because of the company. Then again, it's up to you if you want to "make a statement" by not owning an Apple product. How cool are you.

hotdog963al said,
Very lame reason to give up a consumer device which is actually good, just because of the company. Then again, it's up to you if you want to "make a statement" by not owning an Apple product. How cool are you.

Its not making a statement. I dont like their advertising techniques and dont like their over priced crap. I can get somethings else MUCH cheaper with a TON more features.

And I am not out to be cool so curve your sarcasm. I buy things for functionality...not because it looks pretty.

hotdog963al said,
Very lame reason to give up a consumer device which is actually good, just because of the company. Then again, it's up to you if you want to "make a statement" by not owning an Apple product. How cool are you.


if you don't like the way a company is doing business then why would you continue to support them? There are other/better products out there. techbeck FTW

Lol, whatever dude, enjoy your inferior products. (I'm not even big Apple fan or anything, I just think it's ****ing retarded to judge the company over the product).

hotdog963al said,
Lol, whatever dude, enjoy your inferior products. (I'm not even big Apple fan or anything, I just think it's ****ing retarded to judge the company over the product).

Inferior? Wow, with that statement its obvious you dont know what you are talking about so I have no more comments for you.

hotdog963al said,
I can play ignorant ******* too, but I'm not going to try and out-do you on this one.


LTD, is that you?

The iPod's are WAYYYY more inferior than other MP3 players out there. Just look at the Zune, it has FM Radio, WiFi, Marketplace, Radio Tagging, Channels, Social, etc. It destroys your inferior iPod, hands down.

andrewbares said,
The iPod's are WAYYYY more inferior than other MP3 players out there. Just look at the Zune, it has FM Radio, WiFi, Marketplace, Radio Tagging, Channels, Social, etc. It destroys your inferior iPod, hands down.

FM Radio: Radio sucks; WiFi: My iPod has that; Marketplace: I don't buy music online; Radio Tagging: Radio sucks; Channels: Wat; Social: How is that a feaure?; Also: Appstore. pwnth

hotdog963al said,
Lol, whatever dude, enjoy your inferior products. (I'm not even big Apple fan or anything, I just think it's ****ing retarded to judge the company over the product).

If you hate the company, due to them having bad business practice, why would you support them when there are alternatives which are better and cheaper?

I have a USB stick with a headphone jack. It beats every player out there. If I want to put music on it I just drag and drop the files to it. Done. None of this synching crap. No downloading crapware. I don't have to scroll through lame ass menus to do stuff. No retarded cables to plug in. Screw iPod. Screw Zune.

hotdog963al said,
FM Radio: Radio sucks; WiFi: My iPod has that; Marketplace: I don't buy music online; Radio Tagging: Radio sucks; Channels: Wat; Social: How is that a feaure?; Also: Appstore. pwnth

Yea, why Google's app store is ALL FREE AND OPEN SOURCE. Why I am getting hte G2 when it is released.

hotdog963al said,
Nah. I just like arguing.


That makes you LTD v2

hotdog963al said,
I think the new updates from this WWDC were epically boring, personally.

Nothing really new... I was hoping Apple would save something to the last for iPhone 3Gs but apparently they didn't have any more things up their sleeves. -.-

hotdog963al said,
Lol, whatever dude, enjoy your inferior products. (I'm not even big Apple fan or anything, I just think it's ****ing retarded to judge the company over the product).

how is disliking their marketing tactics judging them by their products?
(that's why I'm not a great fan of Apple or Opera, despite Opera has one of the best web rendering engines, apparently.) It's a matter of "ethics"

Comment(s) on Engadget said exactly what I was thinking, so I'll just quote one of them:

ncxcstud
They dig at Microsoft for 'refining' windows Vista...

then they tout OS X Snow Leopard is a total refinement of OS X Leopard...

Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black??? Or am I missing something here...

The people in charge of Apple seriously need to grow up, it's like being in a primary school playground.

James123 said,
Comment(s) on Engadget said exactly what I was thinking, so I'll just quote one of them:

The people in charge of Apple seriously need to grow up, it's like being in a primary school playground.


Apple is for kids, or adults who are kids at heart. Period.

"I'm cooler than you" *In na na na na na na voice*

James123 said,
Comment(s) on Engadget said exactly what I was thinking, so I'll just quote one of them:

The people in charge of Apple seriously need to grow up, it's like being in a primary school playground.

OS X Leopard had much better reception than Windows Vista did. Apple is saying that OS X Snow Leopard is a refined OS X Leopard. Apple is also saying that Windows 7 is nothing more than a re-branded Windows Vista (which did not get good reception). Its all a big PR bash. Marketers learned their primary skills on school playgrounds.

Shadrack said,
OS X Leopard had much better reception than Windows Vista did. Apple is saying that OS X Snow Leopard is a refined OS X Leopard. Apple is also saying that Windows 7 is nothing more than a re-branded Windows Vista (which did not get good reception). Its all a big PR bash. Marketers learned their primary skills on school playgrounds.

And obviously Apple is VERY uninformed because Win7 is not a re-branded copy of Vista. Lots of changes and improvements in Win7.

BeatBlaster said,
Who are you trying to fool with this statement??

Sorry, i forgot the [sarcasm] code....

Goldman from CNBC stated a month or so ago that Macs include Photoshop for free...obviously Goldman is an idiot and I was just being sarcastic...

Shadrack said,
OS X Leopard had much better reception than Windows Vista did...


By who? The three people that used it? Leopard was just as big as a fail and it wasn't compatible with old programs or pre-existing networks.

OS X Leopard had a terrible reception, that's why barely anyone is using Mac's and everyone's using Windows!

andrewbares said,
By who? The three people that used it? Leopard was just as big as a fail and it wasn't compatible with old programs or pre-existing networks.

OS X Leopard had a terrible reception, that's why barely anyone is using Mac's and everyone's using Windows!

Leopard is the reason hardly anyone uses a Mac? What planet have you been on.

The Mac user base has trebled in the last two years... whilst the number of Windows users has declined. So troll again please

ccuk said,


Leopard is the reason hardly anyone uses a Mac? What planet have you been on.

The Mac user base has trebled in the last two years... whilst the number of Windows users has declined. So troll again please :)


Are you drunk? The number of Windows users has NOT GONE DOWN.

If you are talking about the % of users, there is some change, but when you have over a billiion users of Windows and a few 10s of millions of Mac users, these %s don't even make Microsoft blink an eye...

James123 said,
Comment(s) on Engadget said exactly what I was thinking, so I'll just quote one of them:

The people in charge of Apple seriously need to grow up, it's like being in a primary school playground.


Precisely my thoughts. Both releases are pretty much adding polish to their predecessors, so I'm not getting their bashing here.

And it's the same guy doing the bashing too. First with Vista, now with 7.

BeatBlaster said,
Who are you trying to fool with this statement??

it was a joke lol. some guy like 2 months ago claimed macs come with photoshop standard.

k7of9 said,
Source?
Try again.


I am tired so maybe I should rephrase what I mean.

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/windows-...ove-up-2009062/

So roughly 10% now compared with Apples share of around 5% at the beginning of 2006. Comparatively speaking Apple have doubled their market share over 2 years and yes whilst Microsoft might not care at the moment they would be foolish not to take notice of the gaining momentum from Apple.

My point was really to show the comment about Leopard being so poor it put people off buying a Mac was a load of FUD. Apple aren't going to steal over Microsoft users in my lifetime or if ever to be frank.

k7of9 said,
Those refer to the mobile market.

Where does it say that? I just re read it and it clearly differentiates Mac and Windows as operating systems in those stats.

The latest mobile phone browsing stats puts the iPhone/Touch at around 60% in terms of mobile market share.

Lol, I had a feeling this would wind up front page news :D
Apple seem to forget that OSX doesn't support old applications. Win 7 works with legacy stuff right? Tsk tsk.

Don't worry Windows boys, it was said at an in-house Apple get-together so it's nothing to get all sweaty about.

you mean where you have to find a copy of XP to run in XP mode, and only if you have a processor that supports it ? or Compatibility mode that doesn't always work

hotdog963al said,
Lol, I had a feeling this would wind up front page news :D
Apple seem to forget that OSX doesn't support old applications. Win 7 works with legacy stuff right? Tsk tsk.

Don't worry Windows boys, it was said at an in-house Apple get-together so it's nothing to get all sweaty about.


Well I wasn't entirely sure, I haven't really looked into it! I can run MS-DOS game on my XP install... Pretty you can't do a similar jump under OSX

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
you mean where you have to find a copy of XP to run in XP mode, and only if you have a processor that supports it ? or Compatibility mode that doesn't always work


XP Mode works seamlessly, and on most systems bought in the past 3 years. It also comes with its own license for XP, so the user does not have to "find a copy".

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
you mean where you have to find a copy of XP to run in XP mode, and only if you have a processor that supports it ? or Compatibility mode that doesn't always work
If by "Find a copy" you mean download it from Microsoft, then yes.

i wasn't aware it came with its own XP key, last i read it needed its own, personally the longer they keep XP around, the worse things will be

Thunderbuck said,
XP Mode works seamlessly, and on most systems bought in the past 3 years. It also comes with its own license for XP, so the user does not have to "find a copy".

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
i wasn't aware it came with its own XP key, last i read it needed its own, personally the longer they keep XP around, the worse things will be


Well then it's time to get with the program. You can download the Virtual XP environment with a working copy of XP without any XP key. No muss, no fuss.

It just works.

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
i wasn't aware it came with its own XP key, last i read it needed its own, personally the longer they keep XP around, the worse things will be

Last I read from Microsoft Windows Virtual PC site was that Windows 7 Ultimate comes with a XP license for XP mode.

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
you mean where you have to find a copy of XP to run in XP mode

XP is included, no need to look for it.

and only if you have a processor that supports it ?

Which are most processors made in the last couple of years.

or Compatibility mode that doesn't always work

Not always. But often. Say 9 out of 10.


I'm pretty sure OSX has some sort of compatibility mode for Mac 9...

Vista ditched native support for 16bit executables in its CMD so old DOS games are a goner unless you use 3rd party DOS emulators.

XP Mode in Win7 has a catch - it doesn't support Direct3D stuffs, which makes sense since it's just putting an app in a virtual pc onto the desktop.

To me, who cares about compatibility for things that are 10+ years old. Let's move on~

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
i wasn't aware it came with its own XP key, last i read it needed its own, personally the longer they keep XP around, the worse things will be

So, wait ... do you want compatibility or not?

Or are you expecting old programs to magically work in newer OSes without any sort of emulation/virtualization?

Get your arguments straight.

leojei said,
I'm pretty sure OSX has some sort of compatibility mode for
Vista ditched native support for 16bit executables in its CMD so old DOS games are a goner unless you use 3rd party DOS emulators.

Not entirely, only Vista 64 I think. Admittedly still a pain in the backside trying to run old games until I discovered DosBox. And that thing even has a prot for my Nokia mobile

leojei said,
I'm pretty sure OSX has some sort of compatibility mode for Mac 9...

To me, who cares about compatibility for things that are 10+ years old. Let's move on~

Probably not...considering Snow Leopard won't even support PowerPC hardware anymore.

Also, Businesses care about things that can be 10+ years old, and here's a hint...they're the biggest slice of the pie ;-)

Which is why Microsoft continue to get the largest slice of the pie.
There are numerous numerous legacy business systems out there that just work, and suggesting that they should be disrupted to upgrade them leaves your manager with a shocked face as they tell you how absurd that touching something that "just works" is.

leojei said,
I'm pretty sure OSX has some sort of compatibility mode for Mac 9...

I'm completely sure that they don't.

andrewbares said,
Apple is on the roll downhill, if that's what you mean.

The Mac sales seem to survive the recession, and iPhone store / device usage is skyrocketing.

C_Guy said,
It is a shame considering Windows Service packs are free.

And Windows service packs rewrite the OS to be 64bit with plethora of extra features do they? No. I am a happy Windows / OS X / Linux user and I am tired of seeing the same snipes about these 10.X updates being service packs. Quite childish in most respects.

C_Guy said,
It is a shame considering Windows Service packs are free.

Windows 7 is pretty much the same as Snow Leopard just for Windows. It includes some UI Tweaks (as does Snow Leopard) and re-writes many parts of the operating system to make it faster and more responsive (as does Snow Leopard). So if you consider Snow Leopard a Service Pack then you need to also consider Windows 7 as such.

I personally do not see either of them as glorified service packs they are standalone operating systems.

ccuk said,
And Windows service packs rewrite the OS to be 64bit with plethora of extra features do they? No. I am a happy Windows / OS X / Linux user and I am tired of seeing the same snipes about these 10.X updates being service packs. Quite childish in most respects.


Actually, ignorance... Apple marketing has even messed with your understanding.

OS X is NOT A 64bit OS, even with the 10.x updates. this is why the 'paid' upgrades are laughed at from the OSS and Windows worlds, especially when the list 300 'features' for an upgrade that are less than the 'features' added with ANY Windows SP over the past 10 years.

OS X has not had any major or even 'moderate' kernel changes or architectural changes. Adding 'applications' and 'security' fixes to an OS
does not make a 'real' upgrade.

Even in the Vista vs Win7 debate, there are more architectural changes and updates to the core NT OS from Vista to Win7 than there is from OS X 10.0 to 10.6.

Reread that, there is more architectural (not just fixes or peformance enhancements) changes going for Vista to Win7 than there is from OS X 10.0 to 10.6.

(Yes I can list them, starting with kernel level event services, kernel message model changes, memory model changes and even architectural driver model changes in the WDDM and adding a new reduced latecy model to the sound system that rivals professional audio equipment.)


I don't care if Apple wants to call Win7, Vista revamped, as this is not a knock, as Vista added a lot of new architecture and technology and Win7 builds on that and moves forward with even more advances while taking advantage of the good things Vista brought to the computing market.

Vista isn't a bad OS, and introduced some revolutionary technologies that people are 'just now' starting to figure out how important they are. Take even the new video model the WDDM (Where drivers sucked at launch) - it has proven that it is faster than the XPDM as the drivers have matured from ATI and NVidia and it allows for lots of features and tricks that no other OS can currently do. (Like the Hybrid features, Vista can dynamically flip video drivers and hybrid modes on the fly, something OS X has to reboot the GUI to do with a user log off.)

thenetavenger said,
Actually, ignorance... Apple marketing has even messed with your understanding.

OS X is NOT A 64bit OS, even with the 10.x updates. this is why the 'paid' upgrades are laughed at from the OSS and Windows worlds, especially when the list 300 'features' for an upgrade that are less than the 'features' added with ANY Windows SP over the past 10 years.

OS X has not had any major or even 'moderate' kernel changes or architectural changes. Adding 'applications' and 'security' fixes to an OS
does not make a 'real' upgrade.

Even in the Vista vs Win7 debate, there are more architectural changes and updates to the core NT OS from Vista to Win7 than there is from OS X 10.0 to 10.6.

Reread that, there is more architectural (not just fixes or peformance enhancements) changes going for Vista to Win7 than there is from OS X 10.0 to 10.6.

(Yes I can list them, starting with kernel level event services, kernel message model changes, memory model changes and even architectural driver model changes in the WDDM and adding a new reduced latecy model to the sound system that rivals professional audio equipment.)


I don't care if Apple wants to call Win7, Vista revamped, as this is not a knock, as Vista added a lot of new architecture and technology and Win7 builds on that and moves forward with even more advances while taking advantage of the good things Vista brought to the computing market.

Vista isn't a bad OS, and introduced some revolutionary technologies that people are 'just now' starting to figure out how important they are. Take even the new video model the WDDM (Where drivers sucked at launch) - it has proven that it is faster than the XPDM as the drivers have matured from ATI and NVidia and it allows for lots of features and tricks that no other OS can currently do. (Like the Hybrid features, Vista can dynamically flip video drivers and hybrid modes on the fly, something OS X has to reboot the GUI to do with a user log off.)

Nor is Windows Vista/7 a 64bit OS. I am not going to turn this into a disection of updated components but needless to say the 10.6 update is an overhaul of 10.5 to the extent that it is more than a service pack. At the end of the day Vista and windows 7 are still based on NT kernel and we can be pedantic and say that they are just improvements on an already existing kernel adding what was / is needed to catch up or rival the competition. A lot of what was added in terms of the video driver model and security was to bring windows up to date for the future, in terms of the way in which the system uses the graphics card to spawn Windows etc, OS X was already way ahead and has needed very little to keep it inline with advancements offered by other operating systems. The age old addage of if it aint broke don't fix it springs to mind. I don't really want to turn this comments system into a debate, if you wanna PM me feel free or maybe start a thread and we can all pitch in our 2 cents worth

We each value different features and updates differently than others and there has to be a stark point about price. The updates for OS X have been at significantly less cost to the consumer than Windows upgrades.

Vista at launch was a terrible OS and that was, in my opinion, squarely down to the rushed job at the end in order to get the code finished and out of the door. I saw the bug reports being ignored and I saw the backlash. Its nice to see that's not the case with 7 which is going to be a great release.

Walkie/Talkie said,
Lame that they based 7. Surprised upgrade is only $29

Big surprise to me: Hardware cuts across the board of all MacBooks. Many by -$300!

I mean, it's NOT news that they can cut costs on their OS, since it's hardware financed. But this...

C_Guy said,
It is a shame considering Windows Service packs are free.

So are OS X service packs? 10.5.7 was free, and so was .6...

Show me the last "service pack" that cut down the Windows Vista post-install size by several GB due to more optimized code.

Jugalator said,
I mean, it's NOT news that they can cut costs on their OS, since it's hardware financed. But this...


"hardware financed", very well-said!!!

Jugalator said,
So are OS X service packs? 10.5.7 was free, and so was .6...

Show me the last "service pack" that cut down the Windows Vista post-install size by several GB due to more optimized code. ;)


Windows vista sp2 did. Search on google if you don't believe me. Many users reported upto 40gb being freed. Granted the free space was made when sp2 cleaned out the old updates/installers, but i wouldn't be surprised if snow leopard was doing the same.

"Nor is Windows Vista/7 a 64bit OS"

I hate to break it to you as I type this from Vista 64...ahem

MS offers BOTH 32 and 64 bit native of Vista and 7.

Jugalator said,
So are OS X service packs? 10.5.7 was free, and so was .6...

Show me the last "service pack" that cut down the Windows Vista post-install size by several GB due to more optimized code. ;)

Most of that space was freed up by ditching PowerPC binaries

Windows XP SP2 introduced so much new functionality, much more than any apple point release of OS X.

Enhanced Firewall
WI-FI support
Bluetooth support
IE 6 popup blocker
DEP
Windows Security Centre

ccuk said,
And Windows service packs rewrite the OS to be 64bit with plethora of extra features do they? No. I am a happy Windows / OS X / Linux user and I am tired of seeing the same snipes about these 10.X updates being service packs. Quite childish in most respects.
No, Windows OS is already 64-bit and the SP1 for Vista brought it up to Server 2008 levels. Yes, it was free.

Anyway, bit hard to compare point releases between the two since they differ quite a lot.

excalpius said,
"Nor is Windows Vista/7 a 64bit OS"

I hate to break it to you as I type this from Vista 64...ahem

MS offers BOTH 32 and 64 bit native of Vista and 7.


Hate to break it to you but it is not a true 64bit OS, I am typing this on Vista 64bit and the kernel is not a native 64bit kernel. It is 32bit with 64bit extensions.

epple said,
No, Windows OS is already 64-bit and the SP1 for Vista brought it up to Server 2008 levels. Yes, it was free.

Anyway, bit hard to compare point releases between the two since they differ quite a lot.

I fully understand that... what I don't understand is your defensive comment... the point felease of 10.5 to 10.6 overhauls the OS so nearly every native system app and panel is 64bit. My point was no Windows service pack has come along and updated everything to be 64bit, therefore this 10.6 point update is not a service pack. It is a significant update.

ccuk said,



Hate to break it to you but it is not a true 64bit OS, I am typing this on Vista 64bit and the kernel is not a native 64bit kernel. It is 32bit with 64bit extensions.


You seem to be getting confused, Windows Vista and Windows 7 have a native 64 bit version, its just that it's on separate media and not on the same disk.

OSX has a 32 bit kernel with 64 bit extensions.

Jugalator said,
So are OS X service packs? 10.5.7 was free, and so was .6...

Show me the last "service pack" that cut down the Windows Vista post-install size by several GB due to more optimized code. ;)

Let's clarify this. They're cutting down on 6GB of code because they are stopping support for a platform that is only 2.5 years old. If MS did that, imagine the uproar over it.

ccuk said,
Hate to break it to you but it is not a true 64bit OS, I am typing this on Vista 64bit and the kernel is not a native 64bit kernel. It is 32bit with 64bit extensions.

Actually quite the opposite. The kernel is spending all its time in long mode.

All code executing at that level in an NT x64 operating system MUST be 64-bit. The only IA32 code you can have must live in userland, operating under the heel of WOW64.

warwagon said,
That's how much windows 7 should cost.

my thoughts too. i have a desktop pc and a unibody macbook and a total upgrade cost of less than £100 would be ideal...

warwagon said,
That's how much windows 7 should cost.


+1 on it too! Or at least offer some family package like buy 3 get 1 free or some sort of discounts.

excalpius said,
Well, it's a POINT release. MS makes those FREE...ahem.

They do? Last time I checked windows 2000 was NT 5.0... XP... 5.1... that's a point upgrade... they charged for it.

Who cares what the version number is. Theres no standard and a 0.X update from one company can be more significant than an X.0 update from another. In the end it has very little bearing on what they should be charging, at least if your comparing between different companies.

It becomes even more ridiculous when your using the kernel version as the unit of measure since your ignoring the fact that Windows or most other OS are shipping with a hell of a lot more than just a kernel.

excalpius said,
Well, it's a POINT release. MS makes those FREE...ahem.


Hahaha... you wish... You a couple weeks ago, everyone was still scared Microsoft was going to go overboard with the W7 pricing, after they announce the price everyone here cheered.

in the other case, Apple couldn't charge so much for the update since they already said it was minor upgrades preparing for the big one after it. $29 it's the correct price and OSes shouldn't go above $99 EVER, no matter how professional or basic they are, they already get tons of money by selling it to billions of people and from pc manufacturers and Apple forces you to buy their own brand.

OSes should be never be free, but never be expensive.

giantsnyy said,
They do? Last time I checked windows 2000 was NT 5.0... XP... 5.1... that's a point upgrade... they charged for it.

All Service Packs were free. And SP2 for XP was a huge step ahead, adding a lot of new functionality from 5.2.

lylesback2 said,
Somebody is SCARED.

My thoughts exactly.. Apple is scared that their overpriced fancy looking junk might get some competition in terms of image

nocture said,
My thoughts exactly.. Apple is scared that their overpriced fancy looking junk might get some competition in terms of image


Lies! Apple always said truth, ALWAYS! They wouldn't lie. Oh, wait...

Well to be honest, Win 7 should be the real Vista and they could just add more improvements, yeah you can buy a pc for half the price of mac, but the software its not taking any advantage of the hardware or at least not in its full capacity, i've tried macs with half the hardware than PCs and they do incredibly nice, microsoft have finally learned the lesson with Vista and MAC OS should really be careful about future comments...I love Win7 so far.

Meconio said,
Well to be honest, Win 7 should be the real Vista and they could just add more improvements, yeah you can buy a pc for half the price of mac, but the software its not taking any advantage of the hardware or at least not in its full capacity, i've tried macs with half the hardware than PCs and they do incredibly nice, microsoft have finally learned the lesson with Vista and MAC OS should really be careful about future comments...I love Win7 so far.


Windows 7 is what DOS 1.0 should have been. Makes pretty much same sense.

Meconio
...yeah you can buy a pc for half the price of mac, but the software its not taking any advantage of the hardware or at least not in its full capacity...

What a BS statement. Do you have anything to backup that BS? I would like a source on that.

lylesback2 said,
Somebody is SCARED.


Couldn't have been said any better.

Funny how Apple and the fanboys always attack MS instead of doing a like-for-like comparison.

Nevertheless Win 7 is almost out and I've been using the RC for a month or two now and it rocks! SO much faster than Vista, XP, or anything Apple has out.

Apple is running scared now!

I am really sick of these bashing of the bigger brother. They know Windows 7 is going to hurt, they are releasing Snow Leopard 1 month before Windows 7 to try and drive sales away from them, but it honestly will NOT slow down the momentum.

I guess that Windows Vista 7 ad would change peoples minds to convince them to stay Mac.

Look up Simon360 on the forums, he is a Mac user and a developer for Neowin, but he wrote an excellent article on how Windows 7 is making him change mind about the operating system he uses.

I wait to see the sales numbers and the reply from Apple. Hopefully after October these stupid commercials will stop.

nocture said,
My thoughts exactly.. Apple is scared that their overpriced fancy looking junk might get some competition in terms of image

how? In terms of image, Vista and Win7 are almost exactly the same

nocture said,
My thoughts exactly.. Apple is scared that their overpriced fancy looking junk might get some competition in terms of image

+1 :)

Apple aint even on the same level as PC's in general because PC are THE STANDARD

Wait, Windows 7 sucks because it was based on Windows Vista? If they were consistent then they'd have to say their own product sucks because it evolved from the crappy version of OS X.

I think they're crapping their pants because Microsoft is not only going to release an OS that has received nothing but praise and Microsoft has made some very compelling arguments about the strengths of being "PC".

Rudy said,
how? In terms of image, Vista and Win7 are almost exactly the same

Vista, even before release was being bashed, hard. 7, even in this pre-release state has already been heralded as the best thing since sliced bread.

How are these images similar?

lylesback2 said,
Somebody is SCARED.

Well.. I'd be more convinced of that if this was somehow extraordinary for Apple to do, but the thing is that it's everyday business to bash Windows.

Yes, it's clear Apple is TERRIFIED of Windows 7...as they should be. This is Windows done right...and right at a time when Apple is most vulnerable. Should be an interesting next 12 months. 8)

Windows 7 is what DOS 1.0 should have been. Makes pretty much same sense.[/quote]

Nicely put. As a side note, I had no more problems with Vista that I wouldn't have had with any OS.

FoxieFoxie said,
Windows 7 is what DOS 1.0 should have been. Makes pretty much same sense.


Nicely put. As a side note, I had no more problems with Vista that I wouldn't have had with any OS.

RAID 0 said,
Meconio
...yeah you can buy a pc for half the price of mac, but the software its not taking any advantage of the hardware or at least not in its full capacity...

What a BS statement. Do you have anything to backup that BS? I would like a source on that.

Didn't you know that only OS X takes full advantage of your 64-bit CPU... oh wait...

lylesback2 said,
Somebody is SCARED.

They should be. Windows 7 will be awesome. Apple has only 6.6% of the PC market, you would think they would have more than that with all the press and hype every blog and news outlet gives them.

RAID 0 said,
Meconio
...yeah you can buy a pc for half the price of mac, but the software its not taking any advantage of the hardware or at least not in its full capacity...

What a BS statement. Do you have anything to backup that BS? I would like a source on that.



Agreed!

7 is Windows COMPLETELY Rewritten!
Apple, cheap digs. Somebody is very scared...
Oh well, im sure we shall she who comes out top.

FoxieFoxie said,
Lies! Apple always said truth, ALWAYS! They wouldn't lie. Oh, wait...


LIAR!!! Another insecure MAC BOY. What are you, Apple's Lawyer?

lylesback2 said,
I am really sick of these bashing of the bigger brother. They know Windows 7 is going to hurt, they are releasing Snow Leopard 1 month before Windows 7 to try and drive sales away from them, but it honestly will NOT slow down the momentum.

I guess that Windows Vista 7 ad would change peoples minds to convince them to stay Mac.

Look up Simon360 on the forums, he is a Mac user and a developer for Neowin, but he wrote an excellent article on how Windows 7 is making him change mind about the operating system he uses.

I wait to see the sales numbers and the reply from Apple. Hopefully after October these stupid commercials will stop.


+1