Apple CFO: Vista No Threat

Apple's CFO says he doesn't view Microsoft's rival Vista operating system as a threat to the forthcoming Leopard version of the Mac OS, and said the company could receive a financial boost when Apple's next operating system ships later this year. Peter Oppenheimer, speaking to investors at the Morgan Stanley Technology Conference in San Francisco, which was webcast, also said the forthcoming Apple TV will ship by mid-month, after the Cupertino, Calif.-based company took extra time "to finish" the multimedia device. He said Apple continues to be price-competitive where it seeks to be in the PC space, and has seen strong growth in strategic segments.

During a question-and-answer session at the conference, the chief financial officer voiced a note of confidence when talking about the forthcoming version of the Macintosh OS. He drew a distinction between difficulties the market has had in rolling out Microsoft's Vista -- including driver compatibility and increased hardware requirements -- and Leopard.

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This topic is a non-entity. Vista isn't a threat to OS-X simply because the OS-X userbase is both specialised, and limited when compared to the monolithic Windows userbase. At the same time, Vista is a threat because it represents the next iteration of the largest consumer OS, whose market share is not really declining, and for all purposes could increase. This whole Windows vs. OS-X debate got old years ago, why can't people just move on.

I also get the feeling these CEOs/CFOs/whoevers are just making sweeping statements just to get them (or their company) in the press. Ridiculous.

Vista is not a threat, because i dont think any Apple OSX users will buy a PC just to run Vista, specialy now when macs run on intel cpu and you can run any windows on a mac too...
And with Leopard at the door... no way vista is a threat... i think after Leo comes out, there will be even more switchers to Apple and OSX...

CoolBits said,
i think after Leo comes out, there will be even more switchers to Apple and OSX...

Lol... why? Why would Tiger SP1 cause anyone to switch who hasn't already switched?

OSX exists for the sole purpose of selling Apple computers. Apple's money is made on the sales of hardware (iMacs, MacBooks, iPods, etc.). If Apple decided to license OSX so that it could be run on any kind of hardware, what is the incentive for people to buy a Mac anymore? They could just go out and purchase a cheaper Dell, HP, eMachines, or other brand of PC instead of spending more for a Mac. Apple might make some money from the sale of OSX, but in the long run, it would hurt them far more than it would help them. That's why I don't believe that you'll ever see this happen.

Ey look, he's pulling out the same half assed "we spent the last 5 years putting out new OS X releases, Microsoft sat on their asses working on Vista and copying left and right" argument... again. (Read the full story.)

I guess that's their retaliation to those thinking of those individual OS X releases as glorified service packs.

Not to mention the fact that MS has to support drivers actually made by 3rd-parties, where Apples has to support... Apple.

Must be tough. I'm impressed their driver issues didn't last years.

Thats not true - Apple don't make printers, scanners, cameras, plotters, external hard disks etc do they? Apple are in exactly the same boat as Microsoft in that regard, the only difference is that they don't need to support a variety of core hardware (the motherboard, graphics card, sound card etc).

eAi said,
Thats not true - Apple don't make printers, scanners, cameras, plotters, external hard disks etc do they? Apple are in exactly the same boat as Microsoft in that regard, the only difference is that they don't need to support a variety of core hardware (the motherboard, graphics card, sound card etc).

Thats usually where the serious problems are, i've found most of the BSOD's on my PC have been caused by the video driver, not the printer.
Locking down the core hardware would be an easy way to make the OS more stable.

Then again Linux video drivers dont tend to crash the PC if they fail either...

jforgeson said,

Thats usually where the serious problems are, i've found most of the BSOD's on my PC have been caused by the video driver, not the printer.
Locking down the core hardware would be an easy way to make the OS more stable.

Then again Linux video drivers dont tend to crash the PC if they fail either...

You're right, it is the core hardware that causes the issues, because these are the low level devices. Higher level devices like printers and cameras go through USB and all the associated stuff, so its much more stable even if the device malfunctions.

And don't forget that some classes of devices have a single driver for the entire device class,

for example:
USB Mass storage class devices have a single driver wether it's a maxtor external HDD, sandisk usb flash drive, or a custom µc project on an ATMEL AVR.

Not entirely tru eAO, Apple in fact make MacOSX drivers for several 3rd party HW developers.
I know for a fact several HP Drivers are in fact created by Apple themselves, especially for the AiO models.

Apples are fine, and quite cool, actually, especially the OS. But the software market for Apple at the moment just won't do it for me. It's getting better, and now you can even run Windows software on your Mac. That rocks.

I want to get one, in fact.

What I want more, however, is for Apple to open their OS to normal PCs. Come on, license it, already! Rah!

They could make a severe market share gain by doing that, I believe.

It might very well happen, I think. I just hope it happens soon...

It won't, Apple is a Hardware company that knows that good software drivers hardware sales. Look at iTunes - they make virtually no money on that just so they can sell iPods.

They aren't going to license the OS.

Nope, it will never happen. But what people fail to understand is how this is a good thing. The fact that Mac OS X is locked down to only Apple hardware means that it's far less work for Apple engineers to make sure everything works properly. Microsoft can't possibly do this with Windows because there are infinitely many possible hardware combinations. Apple is in a position where their OS and hardware can be designed to work together. Why would they want to give up that position?

Besides that, except for the motherboard, Macs run PC hardware (ATI graphics and Intel processors for example) so if you want OS X that bad just get a Mac.

Hmm... I wonder why Windows has driver issues and Mac does not?

Could it just be that Windows supports like a billion different devices while Mac probably has like 10 different ones... OMG :O!!!

No, its to do with the way drivers work on Mac (for example printer drivers use CUPS, an open source printer driver framework that supports pretty much every printer there is out of the box).

Of course Macs still need drivers, I'm not sure why you think Macs support any fewer devices than Windows. Theres a few that won't work on Mac, but they're very rare.

Wow, CUPS supports 'pretty much every printer". That's suprising considering almost everyone I know (including me) has huge issues getting their printer to work in Linux.

Is that why you named yourself after Vista? Seriously, you seem to hate Vista so why call yourself Aero Ultimate?

Its more like 4-5%, so thats 4 or 5 in 100... That has nothing to do with how much of a threat Vista is.

yeah right, if Vista is not a threat, then why on earth are they filling the internet and TV with negative advertising against PCs?

Because:
a) they want to increase market share
b) they want to take advantage of the fact that people are having to buy a new PC for Vista, to make them stop and think "what about getting one of those Mac things?"

In other words, Vista is a threat. They are trying to win over their competitor's customers. If Vista wasn't a threat there'd be no battle to win the consumer and they wouldn't have to spend a dime on advertising.

C_Guy said,
In other words, Vista is a threat. They are trying to win over their competitor's customers. If Vista wasn't a threat there'd be no battle to win the consumer and they wouldn't have to spend a dime on advertising.

It's as much as a threat as any other windows version. But right now Vista, unlike winxp, is an oportunity for apple as people buying new computer will be getting a new OS. Apple's message is something like "now that you're getting a new OS, why not getting our's?" (along with all the anti-vista stuff).

Vista isn't really a threat to them. the small percentage of people who buy Mac's for a large part also either

A: Hate windows/MS
B: Run both

The remaining people are such a small percentage that move back and forth that econom,ically they don't count. they should be more worried that their own fans start deciding that this update isn't worth paying for and rather start waiting and do every secodn update instead of buying them all.

He's right. You're not representing Apple's market very well at all.

Many people who buy Macs are families with children, or people who think Windows is too complicated or too BS, like my grandfather. In fact, almost my entire family runs Apples.

But even that isn't a good representation. There are a lot of different demographics that buy Apple.

People I know who buy Macs buy them because they find them easier and nicer to use. Sure, some hate Windows, but thats not the main reason they buy a Mac, they buy it because they know they can just do what they want on their computer.

Ok so I forgot the peopel that just don't know any better and either blieve the commercials or use them because friends/family says so.

Helba said,
He's right. You're not representing Apple's market very well at all.

Many people who buy Macs are families with children, or people who think Windows is too complicated or too BS, like my grandfather. In fact, almost my entire family runs Apples.

But even that isn't a good representation. There are a lot of different demographics that buy Apple.


did you also think that pc are extremely cheap compared to Macs?
not saying anything but it could be why Microsoft has a HUGE market share and apple has little.

HawkMan said,
Vista isn't really a threat to them. the small percentage of people who buy Mac's for a large part also either

A: Hate windows/MS
B: Run both

You forgot reason C...

The users want to get a computer for their child to do homework on and not play those "evil" video games.

=)

*Runs off to play Battlefield 2142 on PC*

Of course Apple's CFO, CEO, CIO, COO, etc. is going to say that Vista isn't a threat. What do you want him/her so say, "we're terrified of Vista and Microsoft." One company isn't going to admit that another company's product is a threat publicly.