Apple files new German lawsuit against Samsung

Apple is going after Samsung again in Germany. According to a report on Bloomberg, Apple has filed two lawsuits against Samsung, claiming that 10 of its smartphones and five of its tablet devices, including the Galaxy S II, violate Apple's design rights. A Samsung spokesperson said that company had received both lawsuits but would not comment further.

Apple won a victory against Samsung in Germany last month, after a court said that the Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet had violated Apple's design patents. Samsung created a new version of the tablet, the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, that launched last December in Germany. The new version changed some of the tablet's features including having the speakers on the front rather than the side, and changing the color of the tablet's bezel to a more silver shade.

Apple and Samsung have been battling on a number of fronts in the past several months. Samsung has won at least two victories. One was in the US where a judge allowed the sale of the Galaxy Tab over Apple's objections in December. In that same month, Samsung got a previous sales ban of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 overturned by the courts in Australia.

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If Apple was a car manufacturer every industry building a vehicle with 4 wheels, a couple of red lights and an internal combustion engine would have been ruled out of the market by lawsuits.

Killer_Z said,
If Apple was a car manufacturer every industry building a vehicle with 4 wheels, a couple of red lights and an internal combustion engine would have been ruled out of the market by lawsuits.

Clever! I see what you did there! Wait, never mind. What you said is a poor analogy because none of those things are patented. Try again.

ILikeTobacco said,

Clever! I see what you did there! Wait, never mind. What you said is a poor analogy because none of those things are patented. Try again.

Wrong--
http://www.bpmlegal.com/wselden.html

Patent No. 549,160

Inventor: George Selden, Rochester, New York

Filed: May 8, 1879
Issued: November 5, 1895

That is the first Patent for an Automobile named a Road Engine-- 4 wheels - red lantern markers and Internal combustible engine.

There were other patents before-- but his was the first to include 4 wheels and were not steam driven.

Edited by redvamp128, Jan 17 2012, 7:54pm :

ILikeTobacco said,

Clever! I see what you did there! Wait, never mind. What you said is a poor analogy because none of those things are patented. Try again.

Maybe that's why we have had always so many model/manifacturer to choose from but yeah obviously I wanted to put a "reductio ad absurdum"not an analogy.
But do you prefer the Philip K. Dick world where even the words are copyrighted and you have to pay a fine every time you speak? Because Apple sure does.

dotf said,
Talk about biting off the hand that makes your processors....

Yet Samsung is moving heaven and earth to open up the new A6 plant in Texas. They probably make as much money off iPhone components and Android phones.

Apple is getting ridiculous.
If Newton would have born in this age & discovered gravity due to a falling apple, Apple would have sued him too. Apple is just a suing addict..

yowanvista said,
Apple is getting ridiculous.
If Newton would have born in this age & discovered gravity due to a falling apple, Apple would have sued him too. Apple is just a suing addict..

If you can't beat them, sue them. Apple is clearly concerned by Android. The iPhone is where they get most of their revenue and the iPad is in second place. So if a lot of people go Android, Apple starts to sue instead of starting to innovate.

yowanvista said,
Apple is getting ridiculous.
If Newton would have born in this age & discovered gravity due to a falling apple, Apple would have sued him too. Apple is just a suing addict..

Oh please, stop it with the red herrings. Apple is zealously defending their IP, just like Microsoft. Just the other day Microsoft strong-armed LG into paying up for Android. Now Microsoft is extorting $500 million/year from Android handset makers.

KingCrimson said,

Oh please, stop it with the red herrings. Apple is zealously defending their IP, just like Microsoft. Just the other day Microsoft strong-armed LG into paying up for Android. Now Microsoft is extorting $500 million/year from Android handset makers.


If Apple are allowed to defend their IP then why shouldn't Microsoft?

At least Microsoft haven't used the "straight to court" route Apple decide to take. Instead they took the time to sit down with Android handset makers and work out a deal, granted it they were deals in Microsofts favour though.

yowanvista said,
Apple is getting ridiculous.
If Newton would have born in this age & discovered gravity due to a falling apple, Apple would have sued him too. Apple is just a suing addict..

Funny I read this same comment on another site not too long ago

KingCrimson said,

Oh please, stop it with the red herrings. Apple is zealously defending their IP, just like Microsoft. Just the other day Microsoft strong-armed LG into paying up for Android. Now Microsoft is extorting $500 million/year from Android handset makers.

First off Microsoft isn't extorting money. At least Microsoft is taking the IP in question and sitting down with device makers abd working out a cross-licensing deal.

if they didnt steal something, then why are even companies liek Sasmung doing a deal with them? This is unlike Apple who sint willing to strike a deal with anyone, but has instead chosen to sue.

Stop being an uninformed manipulated stool pigeon. Try coming out the basement and learning something.

neo158 said,

At least Microsoft haven't used the "straight to court" route Apple decide to take. Instead they took the time to sit down with Android handset makers and work out a deal, granted it they were deals in Microsofts favour though.

Microsoft wouldn't gain anything by sueing and stopping them selling products, as they aren't competitive enough. Believe me if they were competitive enough they would sue rather than make deals. For them making deals is the most lucrative.

Also Apple has no responsibility to try and make deals with people who openly decide to INFRINGE their patents. If patent holders were forced to make deals it would mean companies would immediately copy patented methods and worry about the licensing later. By suing Apple is making a point that if you decide to steal their IP then you will get sued.

Give it a rest Apple, seriously. And this is why I am glad there are plenty of alternatives to Apple that do just as good a job, or in some cases, a better job.

techbeck said,
Give it a rest Apple, seriously. And this is why I am glad there are plenty of alternatives to Apple that do just as good a job, or in some cases, a better job.

Apple shareholders would not tolerate a company that did not zealously defend their IP.

techbeck said,
Give it a rest Apple, seriously. And this is why I am glad there are plenty of alternatives to Apple that do just as good a job, or in some cases, a better job.

I'm sure they'll "give it a rest" when companies stop infringing their patents

DomZ said,

I'm sure they'll "give it a rest" when companies stop infringing their patents

Please, Samsung changes their device so it looks even more less like an iPad and Apple still has an issue and sends Samsung "tips" on how to change their device making Samsungs ugly, bulky, and thick. Apple is not worried about patents as much as they are about controlling the market.

Glad Germany didnt buy Apple's BS and allowed the 10.1n to be sold.

Fus10n said,
I'm really glad I sold all my Apple products. Sorry, I just can't support them anymore.

Why should Samsung, which rips of designs of competing devices, get away with this? All the other manufacturers usually have their own design language, while Samsung just takes the ace of spades and stamps it with Samsung and sells it. And not only the devices either, even the chargers and boxes. Considering how big Samsung are, they should actually be ashamed for not having any sort of creativity what-so-ever.

bidz said,

Why should Samsung, which rips of designs of competing devices, get away with this? All the other manufacturers usually have their own design language, while Samsung just takes the ace of spades and stamps it with Samsung and sells it. And not only the devices either, even the chargers and boxes. Considering how big Samsung are, they should actually be ashamed for not having any sort of creativity what-so-ever.

Samsung redesigned the 10.1 tablet for Germany and Apple still tried to block it. They moved the speakers to the side/front of the device and it was even obvious for the most delusional of people, that that was not an Apple device. And then Apple sent Samsung a list of ways they could change their device. Making it more bulky/thinker and pretty much unusable. Its clear Apple is not worried about the design of Samsung's products. They just want to sue out the competition and Samsung is the biggest target ATM and now the #1 phone maker.

bidz said,

Why should Samsung, which rips of designs of competing devices, get away with this? All the other manufacturers usually have their own design language, while Samsung just takes the ace of spades and stamps it with Samsung and sells it. And not only the devices either, even the chargers and boxes. Considering how big Samsung are, they should actually be ashamed for not having any sort of creativity what-so-ever.


Nothing proved that Samsung 'ripped' Apple's designs, thats just Apple's retarded way of thinking, they make as if the world solely revolved around them. Actually Apple didn't even invent anything, they just seem to give false impressions in order to make more cash.

bidz said,

Why should Samsung, which rips of designs of competing devices, get away with this? All the other manufacturers usually have their own design language, while Samsung just takes the ace of spades and stamps it with Samsung and sells it. And not only the devices either, even the chargers and boxes. Considering how big Samsung are, they should actually be ashamed for not having any sort of creativity what-so-ever.

This This This x1000.
It is Apple's responsibility to protect THEIR property. It is their RIGHT. Whether people like it or not, Samsung has been busted for stealing Apple's property, so Samsung are the bad guys here; not Apple. People need to get off their high horses and get over their Apple-hate.

If you don't like it, go write a complaint to the Patent Office. Or better yet, go pound sand... It's getting old...

yowanvista said,

Nothing proved that Samsung 'ripped' Apple's designs, thats just Apple's retarded way of thinking, they make as if the world solely revolved around them. Actually Apple didn't even invent anything, they just seem to give false impressions in order to make more cash.

Try again. Samsung was proved guilty of it in court.
Also learn how the patent system works. You don't need to "invent" anything if you own the patent. That's how the system works for everybody; not just Apple. Learn it and understand it please...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Try again. Samsung was proved guilty of it in court.
Also learn how the patent system works. You don't need to "invent" anything if you own the patent. That's how the system works for everybody; not just Apple. Learn it and understand it please...

Apple won only in Germany since Germany didnt have the right to ban Samsung in other areas in Europe. But later, that was overturned with the 10.1N model of Samsung's tab...which Apple again tried to block and then give Samsung design "tips" Samsung also won in Australia and early December were allowed to sell their products there.

Astra.Xtreme said,

This This This x1000.
It is Apple's responsibility to protect THEIR property. It is their RIGHT. Whether people like it or not, Samsung has been busted for stealing Apple's property, so Samsung are the bad guys here; not Apple. People need to get off their high horses and get over their Apple-hate.

If you don't like it, go write a complaint to the Patent Office. Or better yet, go pound sand... It's getting old...

Apple has copied many things and tried to make it look like their own innovation. Look at iOS's notification tray, android had that for years.

Im with Samsung on this one, I can tell an iPhone and Galaxy apart VERY easily, size is totally different, and the only reason Apple gets anywhere is they fake evidense(proven)

People should also review the article describing how Apple falsified and photoshopped the evidence so that the Samsung tablet looks more like the iPad.

If a picture isn't that clear, try checking them out in a store, you'll immediately see the difference between them.

Odom said,
People should also review the article describing how Apple falsified and photoshopped the evidence so that the Samsung tablet looks more like the iPad.

'Falsified' and 'photoshopped'... err, is that the Judge's opinion or yours?

Beyond Godlike said,

Apple has copied many things and tried to make it look like their own innovation. Look at iOS's notification tray, android had that for years.

Im with Samsung on this one, I can tell an iPhone and Galaxy apart VERY easily, size is totally different, and the only reason Apple gets anywhere is they fake evidense(proven)

Show me a patent to prove that they copied something... Oh wait, you can't...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Show me a patent to prove that they copied something... Oh wait, you can't...

Oh wait, you dont keep up with news. Theyve been losing legal battles to. Fanboy be gone.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Try again. Samsung was proved guilty of it in court.
Also learn how the patent system works. You don't need to "invent" anything if you own the patent. That's how the system works for everybody; not just Apple. Learn it and understand it please...

So if I don't invent squat, but I just bought the patent I'm defending my RIGHTS and PROPERTY... Uh thanks for pointing out the unethical nature of this system.

bidz said,

Why should Samsung, which rips of designs of competing devices, get away with this? All the other manufacturers usually have their own design language, while Samsung just takes the ace of spades and stamps it with Samsung and sells it. And not only the devices either, even the chargers and boxes. Considering how big Samsung are, they should actually be ashamed for not having any sort of creativity what-so-ever.

Because its ****ing stupid. Its a god damn tablet. Theres not much to it.

bidz said,

Why should Samsung, which rips of designs of competing devices, get away with this? All the other manufacturers usually have their own design language, while Samsung just takes the ace of spades and stamps it with Samsung and sells it. And not only the devices either, even the chargers and boxes. Considering how big Samsung are, they should actually be ashamed for not having any sort of creativity what-so-ever.

I think you should see this
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sGEX...2iUgGZBph8/s1600/Slide4.JPG

So really -- Spade a Spade? Oh wait Samsung has yet to sue Apple over this one.

techbeck said,

Samsung redesigned the 10.1 tablet for Germany and Apple still tried to block it. They moved the speakers to the side/front of the device and it was even obvious for the most delusional of people, that that was not an Apple device.

Doesn't matter one bit it only delusional people would think it's an Apple device. If they're infringing patents they deserve to get sued. It really is as simple as that. When Apple infringes patents I'd expect the same thing to happen (which did when Nokia sued them and Apple paid up)

DomZ said,

Doesn't matter one bit it only delusional people would think it's an Apple device. If they're infringing patents they deserve to get sued. It really is as simple as that. When Apple infringes patents I'd expect the same thing to happen (which did when Nokia sued them and Apple paid up)

And only delusional people think that this is all about patents.

redvamp128 said,

I think you should see this
---
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sGEX...2iUgGZBph8/s1600/Slide4.JPG

So really -- Spade a Spade? Oh wait Samsung has yet to sue Apple over this one.

Funny. There was a similar graphic that claimed the F700 was announced in 2006. That was proven false, so now we're claiming that images of the F700 leaked in 2006?

If you look at the images that the blogged sourced, you will see that the images were not uploaded to the sources flickr account until Feb 9, 2007.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ccsinsight/page202/

I know that the EXIF data say 8/28/2006, but I find it hard to believe that four different images of the same phone was shot with a Canon and share the same time stamp of 16:53:59.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IATd...B8c/s1600/Sam.Apple.001.jpg

I'm not claiming that they're knock offs of each other. I'm just pointing out that the graphic is false. That's probably why Samsung didn't sue Apple over it.

omgben said,

Funny. There was a similar graphic that claimed the F700 was announced in 2006. That was proven false, so now we're claiming that images of the F700 leaked in 2006?

If you look at the images that the blogged sourced, you will see that the images were not uploaded to the sources flickr account until Feb 9, 2007.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ccsinsight/page202/

I know that the EXIF data say 8/28/2006, but I find it hard to believe that four different images of the same phone was shot with a Canon and share the same time stamp of 16:53:59.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IATd...B8c/s1600/Sam.Apple.001.jpg

I'm not claiming that they're knock offs of each other. I'm just pointing out that the graphic is false. That's probably why Samsung didn't sue Apple over it.

Of course it is going to have the same -- It is a snapshot showingsnapshots of the phone saved at the same time.
Anyone who has multiple image files open and chooses save all--
and all will have the same time stamp.

I can easily do that one with Paint Shop Pro...without editing a thing ,visually to fake -- just import files from a camera and choose default date data .. import... then choose save all image files and it will auto-rename each file with an added character when I choose save all and all the files will have the same creation date.

still no one has brought that up and that graphic should have been explained just try what I said-- import from a camera-- then choose the option of save all-- all files will have the same date stamp but a change in file names.

redvamp128 said,
When a file is imported it will gain-- by a flaw in the system -- will overwrite the creation date... with the save date.

Though That only shows -- when the person uploaded it for the website to be viewed... that person is not the originator.. so the debate is still open.

Then again-- one might ask-- thirty days to copy a phone and put into production?

Astra.Xtreme said,

This This This x1000.
It is Apple's responsibility to protect THEIR property. It is their RIGHT. Whether people like it or not, Samsung has been busted for stealing Apple's property, so Samsung are the bad guys here; not Apple. People need to get off their high horses and get over their Apple-hate.

If you don't like it, go write a complaint to the Patent Office. Or better yet, go pound sand... It's getting old...

Somehow only Apple fanboys support the patenting of a monochromic rectangular shape. That must say something, huh?