Apple goes on the offensive, blasts Nokia and Android fragmentation

On the eve of the iPhone 5s and 5c launch, Apple has opened up and let Bloomberg inside its walls to interview the team that sits at the top of Apple. Tim Cook, Jony Ive and others gave insight into Apple’s strategy in a great read that you can find at the source link below.

The interview talks about Apple’s strategy and more importantly, how it sees its competitors (Google and Microsoft). Cook, to no surprise, bashes Google’s fragmentation by saying that is a “compounding problem” and that by having a significant amount of legacy software in the marketplace, the platform is far more vulnerable to exploitation than other operating systems.

The strongest criticism in the piece is clearly aimed at Nokia. Cook lambasted the company by saying that they lost their way and stopped innovating by stating “I think [Nokia] is a reminder to everyone in business that you have to keep innovating and that to not innovate is to die.”

The entire interview is typical of Apple where the company feels that the are at the peak of their game and that everyone else is still trying to replicate their success. To some degree, they are correct, as Apple has several billion dollar product lines, has a strong lead in the tablet market and even in the smartphone world, they have a commanding presence.

Apple does not seem to be unsettled by Microsoft and Google copying their business model of producing first party hardware (Google purchased Motorola Mobility and Microsoft is purchasing Nokia’s Lumia division) but Apple is aware that the external pressures will only increase over time as others attempt to replicate their success.

Source: Bloomberg

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Apple is right, they finally showed the world that you can have colored phones. Now people will finally buy those. Nokia? who is Nokia? they made colored Phones? naaah, not true. /s

Oh please, Apple hasn't come up with a truly original product..ever.

They take Tech-Turds, polish them, and then charge their Sheep through the nose for it.

This company is insufferable.

OK, This story just proves that Apple are now completely dillusional.

Tim Cook best get a lifejacket cos he's the captain of a sinking ship.

Why else would they be refusing to reveal how many orders they've had for the iPhone. In the UK orders for the iPhone5c have supposedly been "very disappointing" and it's because people are finally waking up to the fact that Apple products are ridiculously overpriced, especially in the current financial climate.

Ha. Nokia doesn't innovate? What about Pureview and OIS? The latter is pretty much a standard feature in phones these days, and the former is a very powerful camera technology.

And the part about Android fragmentation is also wrong IMO. iOS might not have that much fragmentation version-wise, but feature-wise it's a mess. Android's the other way around, since most stock apps are updated separately from the OS. So you could be running 4.0 and still have the same apps as on 4.3.

Apple needs to STFU. I just played around with iOS7 on my friend's iPhone 5. He was talking about all the cool new animations and innovations. All of it copied from Microsoft. Like the gesture to return to a previous page in the browser. and the way you switch between apps and the animations apps have when opening. Clearly Apple is the one who stopped innovating and it now copying the competition.

I'm a bit curious where all the people that have called out Microsoft for being the only ones to be bashing the competition lately...

wasn't the latest OS marketshare numbers place apple within 10% points of Microsoft windows phone? though words for somebody who used to have 90% smartphone marketshare just a few years ago.

what always amazed me with Apple... ever since they ran their commercial saying break away from conformity, that is ALL they want you to do is conform to what they want..... so much for the anti-big blue ad in the 80's

"Lumia is a great example of innovation without copying" - Samsung trial

"....to not innovate is to die" - after releasing a 620 lookalike

Apple really need to STFU, they are quickly diving into irrelevance and items only old people still think is new and innovative.

swanlee said,
Apple really need to STFU, they are quickly diving into irrelevance and items only old people still think is new and innovative.

Or the tens of millions that buy their products year after year...

stevan said,

Or the tens of millions that buy their products year after year...

Old people that still think apple innovates. I swear apple fans and sony fans are nearly identical.

swanlee said,

Old people that still think apple innovates. I swear apple fans and sony fans are nearly identical.

So you missed the research that showed iPhone is the most popular phone amongst young people?

Hey, we got a FINGERPRINT READER on our phone now. That's innovative and inventive! Never been done before!

Enron said,
Hey, we got a WORKING FINGERPRINT READER on our phone now. That's innovative and inventive! Never been done before!

There, fixed it for ya.

stevan said,
There, fixed it for ya.

No. Other solutions have worked fine over a decade ago. Most people just didn't particularly care about it. But now that Apple has it, it's supposed to matter?

Enron said,

No. Other solutions have worked fine over a decade ago. Most people just didn't particularly care about it. But now that Apple has it, it's supposed to matter?

They didn't work fine, or as easy. The method Apple implemented is easier and more secure. Read Anandtech's review...

Spicoli said,
Are you claiming that the ones we've been using for years don't work? FAIL.

According to you, we really didn't use them for years. They were just there...I've seen you put in your place so many times in the last half hour, I would really think twice before posting something without proof.

I will be the first to agree that no, apple are not the first ones to include a finger print reader. But they are the first ones that package a fingerprint reader with ALL of the following:
- a fingerprint reader that works with the finger in every orientation (AFAIK).
- you dont have to "slide", just press.
- its unobtrusively embedded in the ONE button they have. it's not a random cutout somewhere else on the phone.
- it works.
- it is there for the purpose of unlocking the phone without the hassle of a numeric lock. this "hassle" may be a 1 second ordeal, and yet it is obstrusive for enough people to leave their phones with fully unprotected lockscreens


and believe me I hate that apple got it right first.

Christopher Bruscato said,
It's still a feature no one really wanted - like Android's Face Unlock. Why do companies keep innovating things the market doesn't really want?

Or something stupid like shake the phone twice and lay it sideways to play music.

Christopher Bruscato said,
It's still a feature no one really wanted - like Android's Face Unlock. Why do companies keep innovating things the market doesn't really want?

You mean like including Kinect into the new Xbox?

Yawn. Most people do not even care about fragmentation or do no know what it is. Most even do not know what version of the OS they are using. They just know that their apps work and that is all most need. Apple has been complaining about fragmentation for a while now. Give it up.

techbeck said,
Yawn. Most people do not even care about fragmentation or do no know what it is. Most even do not know what version of the OS they are using. They just know that their apps work and that is all most need. Apple has been complaining about fragmentation for a while now. Give it up.

It matters to developers.

It doesn't matters to lower end devices as well as customers who don't use their phones much, but Apple and Cook repeatedly states that isn't their target audience. They're aiming for those who want "premium devices"; people who actually use their phones. That is where fragmentation becomes detrimental.

AWilliams87 said,

It matters to developers.

It doesn't matters to lower end devices as well as customers who don't use their phones much, but Apple and Cook repeatedly states that isn't their target audience. They're aiming for those who want "premium devices"; people who actually use their phones. That is where fragmentation becomes detrimental. It matters a hell of a lot to those people if they can't get the latest Instagram update.

JB is the most used OS an Android now. That is the latest Android OS and it used to be the 2nd to last OS released was the most popular. Next in like is GB. Which like I posted before, I still have a GB device and have zero problems installing and using the same apps as my JB device. Next in line for OS on Android is ICS, which was released after GB.

techbeck said,
I still have a GB device and have zero problems installing and using the same apps as my JB device.

There's a fair number of apps that won't work on anything pre-4.x, some of them are pretty popular. Chrome for example. (Reason #18385 I prefer Firefox, but that's a rant for another thread.) Pre-4.x devices still account for over 30% of the Android users. Extra boned if you're in the 'why didn't you throw that away yet' category.. I personally don't care about this particular device anymore (or even use), but I still have an old tablet running 1.5... good luck getting, well, anything to run with that.

Well lets see....

When the iPhone came out, Ballmer laughed about it. Now fast forward a few years later, Apple is a bigger company than Microsoft, Ballmer is being pushed out, Microsoft is buying out Nokia's mobile business and Windows Phone and Windows Based tables are STILL struggling to make an impact.

The iPhone and iPad has been around longer than Windows Phone and Surface (I'm not counting Windows Mobile which never made a real impact).

Spicoli said,
Laughed about it? Do you know him personally? Where did you hear this laugh? Strawman arguments are a fallacy.

That's the second time you're bringing up the Strawman argument. It's not helping the point you're trying to make. I think we know what "laughed about it" really means...

Spicoli said,
Laughed about it? Do you know him personally? Where did you hear this laugh? Strawman arguments are a fallacy.

What are you talking about? What argument? He stated a fact. Look it up, there is a video of Ballmer laughing about it during an interview. He thought it was funny that Apple was trying to sell a $600 phone on contract.

airedwin said,

What are you talking about? What argument? He stated a fact. Look it up, there is a video of Ballmer laughing about it during an interview. He thought it was funny that Apple was trying to sell a $600 phone on contract.

He won't look it up. Just like he won't look up how features on a new phone work. He just thinks they work the same as 10 year old tech which isn't the case.

But, on the other hand, he is doing a great job of getting his post count higher...

Youre taking that segment out of context. Apple was attempting to sell that phone for $500 on contract,and it didnt even support 3g. eventually they backpeddled and brought the price down.

stevan said,

That's the second time you're bringing up the Strawman argument. It's not helping the point you're trying to make. I think we know what "laughed about it" really means...

I'm not making an argument. I'm stating one is using the strawman argument fallacy and therefore fails.

Spicoli said,

Post one.

One was posted before his comment was made, but you've must have missed that. I understand. You're on a crusade, and you don't want to look foolish.

Spicoli said,

I'm not making an argument. I'm stating one is using the strawman argument fallacy and therefore fails.

Failing? Others and myself proved you wrong and made you look foolish several times already....How's that failing?

vcfan said,
Youre taking that segment out of context. Apple was attempting to sell that phone for $500 on contract,and it didnt even support 3g. eventually they backpeddled and brought the price down.

And it still doesn't have a hardware keyboard!

Neobond said,
The iPhone and iPad has been around longer than Windows Phone and Surface (I'm not counting Windows Mobile which never made a real impact).

WM never made an impact? Are you serious? Until the iPhone arrived WM ruled..
BTW although this is just my opinion, I see my ancient HD2 with WM 6.5 still better, in some aspects not overall, of any OS on the market today.

vcfan said,
Youre taking that segment out of context. Apple was attempting to sell that phone for $500 on contract,and it didnt even support 3g. eventually they backpeddled and brought the price down.

And when WP was launched MS arranged a, premature IMO, funeral for the iPhone....

Fritzly said,

And when WP was launched MS arranged a, premature IMO, funeral for the iPhone....

Haha yes, I remember that, guys carrying a casket that looks like an iPhone. This is from an article about it:

"No, they let the products speak for themselves. Obviously, Windows Phone 7 doesn't have all that much to say."

Easy there over achiever, the Balmer's laugh could mean, "We have that feature long before you (Steve Job) make that announcement"

Now if you reference the whole sentence in which lead Balmer to laugh, then it will / should have a different meaning.

stevan said,
Well lets see....

When the iPhone came out, Ballmer laughed about it. Now fast forward a few years later, Apple is a bigger company than Microsoft, Ballmer is being pushed out, Microsoft is buying out Nokia's mobile business and Windows Phone and Windows Based tables are STILL struggling to make an impact.

minster11 said,
Easy there over achiever, the Balmer's laugh could mean, "We have that feature long before you (Steve Job) make that announcement"

Now if you reference the whole sentence in which lead Balmer to laugh, then it will / should have a different meaning.

Watch the video.

"Don't copy to expand business"
"Innovation and reinventing technology is how we roll"
"Copying is fine at times"
"You don't need to innovate to be successful"
Meh
MS didn't solely buy Nokia to "Replicate" Apple's way of producing smartphones. It was a long way to go and both needed help of each other to expand WP and Smartphone sales at either part. And even if Google bought Motorola , Moto X was I guess only produced with Google and even then Google is still supporting other brands for their flagships. Heck , Google hasn't yet made their own "one" flagship manufacturer, they still are interested to promote Samsung or LG and hasn't really thought of Motorola to represent it as their first party flagship device.

“I think [Nokia] is a reminder to everyone in business that you have to keep innovating and that to not innovate is to die.” Irony at it's best

He is right though. Nokia went downhill when they stopped being the innovative company they were around he time the iPhone arrived. Nokia faltered and was left behind. Today however the roles are very much reversed again and it shows. I think Cook was actually reminding himself Apple needs to step up to keep going.

Nokia did innovate even then , haven't you heard of N8, N9 , PureView 808 ? It was just that the platform they were using was not suitable anymore in the App centric world.

"Cook, to no surprise, bashes Google's fragmentation by saying that is a “compounding problem” and that by having a significant amount of legacy software in the marketplace, the platform is far more vulnerable to exploitation than other operating systems."
Says the company with devices stuck on different versions of iOS unable to upgrade and now offering old 'legacy' versions of software for the older hardware.
LOL.

n_K said,
"Cook, to no surprise, bashes Google's fragmentation by saying that is a “compounding problem” and that by having a significant amount of legacy software in the marketplace, the platform is far more vulnerable to exploitation than other operating systems."
Says the company with devices stuck on different versions of iOS unable to upgrade and now offering old 'legacy' versions of software for the older hardware.
LOL.

Apple releases large OS updates to 4-year-old phones. What manufacturer of Android phones do that?

Also, Apple only offer legacy software generally to devices over 4 years old, and they make it easy and safe to get that software, which keeps such old devices useful.

I installed iOS 7 on my iPod Touch 5G, and it is slow. Even my coworker's iPhone 4 is slow. Apple can't provide the latest updates WITHOUT slowing down the device, reducing feature set, or draining battery issues or some repercussion. They can gloat about the latest software being on older devices, but if it makes the experience worse, then it's not worth it.

King Mustard said,

Apple releases large OS updates to 4-year-old phones. What manufacturer of Android phones do that?

From what I have seen, the oldest phone iOS 7 can be installed on is the iPhone 4. Which was released in 2010. That is only 3yrs. By comparison, the Nexus S, a Google phone, was updated to Jelly Bean 4.1.2 which is a 3yr old device as well. The iPhone 4 is getting iOS 7, but cannot use all the new features in iOS 7.

And Android phones are supported by the community a lot longer than any other device. My original Galaxy S device, the S1, has 4.3 installed on it.

The competition likes to trash Android about fragmentation and it really has not been that big of a deal. Jelly Bean is on the majority of Android devices followed by GB and then ICS. I still have a GB device and guess what, all the latest apps still work on it. As long as the apps work, the users are not worried about things or dont even know what is going on.

King Mustard said,

Apple releases large OS updates to 4-year-old phones. What manufacturer of Android phones do that?

Also, Apple only offer legacy software generally to devices over 4 years old, and they make it easy and safe to get that software, which keeps such old devices useful.


Think you're a bit confused, it's 2 years then EOL, my ipod touch 4g white is EOL and doesn't support iOS 7. I haven't even upgraded from the stock 5 to 6 because it introduces numerous slowdowns and problems.

1) Apple just recently had first "large" OS update. That was iOS7. Since the addition of app store and probably multi tasking , I see no notable difference in any iOS version.
So please don't call them "large" OS updates firstly.

2) Even if those were incremental updates , they were too insignificant as an update. Android 4.0 vs 4.2 has so many differences ,and even for Windows Phone 8 without any GDR and with GDR2 there are couple of differences. And even in those little changes , most of them were locked for lower end iDevices. iOS 5 was blocked for iPod 2g , iOS7 for iPod 4g , while iOS6 was not really significant. If you talk about phones , 3GS getting iOS6 gave it literally nothing better ,with majority of features locked for it. Same goes for 4 vs 4s , I still don't understand how they can't run Siri on 4! iPad 1 too was abandoned like this...

3) iOS7 itself doesn't really do much apart from the eyecandy (which in fact slows the UX with useless animations) and that "quick settings" part. Rest I admit Safari , Photos and Camera app have improved ,but they are pretty late when these things existed on Androids and WP8 since day one. (Sort Photos by date in WP, Lenses in WP,Filters in Androids and several other gallery apps with cooler animations)

Apart from that , I agree iOS is heading in good direction , however the ecosystem of iDevices is falling (both in market share and the excitement) gradually. We are fed up of same old "2x faster , 1mm slimmer" and what not.. Even now 64bit seems like something which will create a lot of fragmentation and might drive developers to stop caring about 64bit apps or iOS apps as whole. Being first doesn't really mean you are doing it right , is there even need for 64bit apps today? Or even in 2 years? Maybe 4 years? I guess not. (Although I like the dual LED with different tones and the slomo cam , that felt like some smart work)

techbeck said,
I still have a GB device and guess what, all the latest apps still work on it. As long as the apps work, the users are not worried about things or dont even know what is going on.
The fragmentation is more of problem for developers, which means that apps will take longer to write on Android and will tend to be of lower quality because it's much harder to do. Some of this is compensated for by the sheer size of the market forcing developers to support it anyway.
It's not if you can run the latest versions of the Android apps that will show the problems (because the developers will have already done the work), it's how they compare to the latest versions on iOS (they may lag behind because of the extra work required).

It's easy for a company like Apple to claim that others are copying their methods, people tend to forget that Microsoft has dabbled (unsuccessfully) in own hardware long before Apple did in some areas. As a matter of fact, I think Apple excels in areas where other companies made mistakes, and that in itself is commendable I guess. That's just my personal opinion though.

Is it just me or is it a bit silly that they are complaining about innovation when iOS7 is quite clearly getting some inspiration from other mobile OS's.

Yeah., looking at some of the comments here it's obvious that many people don't think Apple "innovates", they simply do a better job of implementing those already established technologies or ideas.

Neobond said,
Yeah., looking at some of the comments here it's obvious that many people don't think Apple "innovates", they simply do a better job of implementing those already established technologies or ideas.

They do a better job at marketing those features and getting people to think they invented them. You can always tell what Apple will "invent" next by looking at their acquisitions. We already knew about the fingerprint thing a good year ago when they bought Authentec, and we knew Siri was going to be a standard component when they bought them.

Spicoli said,

They do a better job at marketing those features and getting people to think they invented them. You can always tell what Apple will "invent" next by looking at their acquisitions. We already knew about the fingerprint thing a good year ago when they bought Authentec, and we knew Siri was going to be a standard component when they bought them.

I honestly think you're the only person Apple fooled into thinking they invented stuff.

stevan said,

I honestly think you're the only person Apple fooled into thinking they invented stuff.

Bingo.

The only time I can think of Apple claiming that they invented something was when Steve Jobs first introduced the iPhone he went over the technology in the screen and said something like, "we invented a new technology that we're calling multi-touch," and off the races it went. Like, I didn't take it as him claiming they invented multi-touch because there were plenty of examples that predated the iPhone, it was just that Apple was foolish enough to try to call their technology multi-touch. That's why their copyright was shot down. It was already a general term.

But since then, every time Apple introduces a new feature, you have people running around saying something to the affect of, "Apple makes people think they invented it," even though Apple didn't say anything about it.

Spicoli said,

They do a better job at marketing those features and getting people to think they invented them. You can always tell what Apple will "invent" next by looking at their acquisitions. We already knew about the fingerprint thing a good year ago when they bought Authentec, and we knew Siri was going to be a standard component when they bought them.

You are just making stuff up, the way fans think about Apple is how he summed it up.. "new is easy right is hard".

Whether right or wrong, fans feel when Apple plans to implement something they'll put the time and effort into making sure it's usable and works well, rather than just throwing lots of new features in a phone that wont really work or be used.

Others who think this is not enough have clearly protested with their hard earned cash, evident in the amount of people moving to Samsung. Fair enough!

Nobody says Apple invented anything, no-body even really says they innovate anymore, but they still produce products that have an edge over the competition regardless of all the futuristic features the competitors have.

stevan said,

I honestly think you're the only person Apple fooled into thinking they invented stuff.


Execution is, regrettably, more important than inventing.
Tesla docet.....

Neobond said,
Yeah., looking at some of the comments here it's obvious that many people don't think Apple "innovates", they simply do a better job of implementing those already established technologies or ideas.

Absolutely...

By "fragmentation" they mean "lots of choices to fit your needs and price range." If it wasn't for the built in hardware charge in service plans, most people wouldn't be buying these expensive devices that they don't need. With new services like AIO, you can see you're paying close to $1,000 over two years for that $400 rebate.

Spicoli said,
So, this plague and how it prevented it from being the most popular platform in the world? It's like the people that claim Windows is so horrible yet everyone uses it.

I didn't say anything about it preventing sales. All I'm saying is that the fragmentation is there and for developers it can make things harder.

Spicoli said,
So, this plague and how it prevented it from being the most popular platform in the world? It's like the people that claim Windows is so horrible yet everyone uses it.

Don't confuse a virtual lack of choice with popularity. The fact that Android is on almost every non-apple phone device now doesn't necessarily make it popular. As for Windows, "everyone" uses it because of hardware price and compatibility...that doesn't necessarily make it popular.

Edited by Steve B, Sep 19 2013, 2:32pm :

Steve B said,

Don't confuse a virtual lack of choice with popularity. The fact that Android is on almost every non-apple phone device now doesn't necessarily make it popular. As for Windows, "everyone" uses it because of hardware price and compatibility...that doesn't necessarily make it popular.

The hardware price and compatibility is a direct result of this "fragmentation" they say is bad. It's the same thing as the 90s when the Mac was pounded by Windows.

"android fragmentation" had more to do with the fact that developers had to draw the line somewhere in terms of what they were supporting. android was rapidly evolving (1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2), and at one point there were many disparities in terms of what devices were capable of, what API level they were running and what features the developers could make use of.

that's no longer the case, at least not to those extremes. I'd venture a guess that most phones in the last two years are already running 4.x. So developers don't really have to go out of their way so support all. and there are still apps being released that support 2.3 onwards. Doesnt look like developers are "suffering" anymore from "fragmentation".

Spicoli said,
So, this plague and how it prevented it from being the most popular platform in the world? It's like the people that claim Windows is so horrible yet everyone uses it.

Seriously? Remove your blinders sir. The only reason android is the *most popular platform in the world* is because most of the phones android is on are either free or extremely cheap compared to iPhones. Price is king and with all of these cheap phones and different parts and screen sizes the fragmentation for developers is a bane. Ask many android developers, they say the screen size(resolution) and internal structure are the main reason it is so hard to develop for. iPhones have had only a handful of screen resolutions to program for and therefore a much easier to program for.

Android is not the most popular because it is the best it is most used because there are so many cheap or free android phones out there. The majority of users do not care if their phone is HD or quad core they care about low price and deal with the lack of performance on those phones.

Spicoli said,
So, this plague and how it prevented it from being the most popular platform in the world? It's like the people that claim Windows is so horrible yet everyone uses it.

Just because it is popular does not mean it is safe or without problems.

Ask your high school g/f!

Spicoli said,

The hardware price and compatibility is a direct result of this "fragmentation" they say is bad. It's the same thing as the 90s when the Mac was pounded by Windows.

I don't really think you understand what they are saying about fragmentation at all...

stevan said,
No, they mean fragmentation, something that has plagued Android ecosystem from the start.
So even if the word is true, plagues are usually a bad thing. The 10 plagues of Egypt come to mind.

Android has 70% of the world smartphone market, after Apple had a full year head start and the 2 years Android made crappy phones to begin with.

APple has like what? 20%+ of the world market?

Call it what you want, Apple wished they had this as fact:

Google has over 1B activated devices in the world and they are new to this market. Apple has about 700k.

Google and Android have phones that can be sold in every single market for "poe" people to "rich" people. Apple? Not so much!

While Cook and Company continue to criticize Android and Google and even Microsoft, both are chopping Apple down like a giant Sequoia. It make take a lot of cutting, but eventually the trees will fall.

While MS and Google are growing in profits and sales, Apple has been dropping.
While Apple is talking fragmentation, here we are at 8 models and this latest model is just getting features that Android phones had 3 years ago. So much for fragmentation.

Apple is going to criticize everyone until they fall off a cliff. Yet it wont mean nothing.
I think its funny. Not everyone can afford a top tire phone APple, You also don't see Samsung or MS selling a phone withg very old hardware to top dollar trying to get free profit margins.

I rather pay $400 for a year old Galaxy S III with a bigger screen, higher resolution, and more features than an iPhone 5C with is just a iPhone 5 dressed in Halloween colors.

TechieXP said,
So even if the word is true, plagues are usually a bad thing. The 10 plagues of Egypt come to mind.

Android has 70% of the world smartphone market, after Apple had a full year head start and the 2 years Android made crappy phones to begin with.

APple has like what? 20%+ of the world market?

Call it what you want, Apple wished they had this as fact:

Google has over 1B activated devices in the world and they are new to this market. Apple has about 700k.

Google and Android have phones that can be sold in every single market for "poe" people to "rich" people. Apple? Not so much!

While Cook and Company continue to criticize Android and Google and even Microsoft, both are chopping Apple down like a giant Sequoia. It make take a lot of cutting, but eventually the trees will fall.

While MS and Google are growing in profits and sales, Apple has been dropping.
While Apple is talking fragmentation, here we are at 8 models and this latest model is just getting features that Android phones had 3 years ago. So much for fragmentation.

Apple is going to criticize everyone until they fall off a cliff. Yet it wont mean nothing.
I think its funny. Not everyone can afford a top tire phone APple, You also don't see Samsung or MS selling a phone withg very old hardware to top dollar trying to get free profit margins.

I rather pay $400 for a year old Galaxy S III with a bigger screen, higher resolution, and more features than an iPhone 5C with is just a iPhone 5 dressed in Halloween colors.

Everything you just wrote has nothing to do with fragmentation. Way to miss the point.

I think he refers to the time between Feature phones and smartphones and how they lost track of the market even though they where leading the market

-adrian- said,
I think he refers to the time between Feature phones and smartphones and how they lost track of the market even though they where leading the market

If he did, I agree with him.

People keep bashing Nokia for going with windows phone and they say Elop/MS failed Nokia. They forget that nokia slow-poisoned itself long before that.

scumdogmillionaire said,
Apple thinks Nokia has stopped innovating? Really? Apple? Hahahaha!


Agreed. This is truly laughable... LOL

Maybe I'm alone here, but I didn't get that at all from what he was saying. Nokia was starting to go downhill, and they've innovated and are starting to come back. I fail to see how this paints Nokia in a bad light at all...