Apple has refreshed its MacBook Pros with updated specs, lowers the price

Apple has announced today that they have updated the specs on their premium line of laptops, the MacBook Pro, and have lowered the price for entry too. All of the Retina laptops now come with faster processors, double the memory in both entry-level configurations, and a new, lower starting price for the top-of-the-line 15-inch notebook. The price was also dropped on the non-Retina MacBook Pro too, by $100, which Apple claims is very popular with folks who are switching from Windows.

The new Retina machine start at $1299 for the 13in model and come with a 2.6 GHz dual-core Core i5, 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage. The 15in Retina laptops now starts with a Core i7, 16GB of RAM and is $100 cheaper than the prior iteration.

The new lower price on some of the machines will likely appease critics who say that Apple laptops are overpriced. Even though the price cut was only $100 and not all machines got the price drop, it will likely help the company sell a few more units as it closes the gap between the pricing on Apple laptops and comparable Windows machines.

The updated laptops are available today on Apple's website and at their retail outlets.

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PhilTheThrill said,

Definition pls.

Seriously?

Professional - What do you think the P stands for in "MBP"?
Design - What do you think most OS X programs are for? The hardware is optimized for what?
Workstation - A PC used for work...

Are you trolling, or have you seriously not heard those terms before? My Dell work laptop is a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. It's also a pile of junk that retailed for over $2k.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Seriously?

Professional - What do you think the P stands for in "MBP"?
Design - What do you think most OS X programs are for? The hardware is optimized for what?
Workstation - A PC used for work...

Are you trolling, or have you seriously not heard those terms before? My Dell work laptop is a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. It's also a pile of junk that retailed for over $2k.

Totally vague and ambiguous as expected. It's funny...we watch all these conferences and videos around release time. I don't recall any Apple bods talking about CAD and solid modelling. Maybe I missed those clips and you can show us them.

A MBP is what all Apple products are - stylish, trendy, but essentially overpriced. I took a quick peek at Steve Jobs announcing the original MBP back in 2006 for some hints on the thought process and targets for the device. Once he'd gone over the processor change from the old G4/G5 chips to Intel do you recall what the very first "crowd pleaser" announcement was? A built in webcam for videoconferencing on the go! EPIC. What was next? An IR sensor for your Apple remote! Enjoy your media! Was he extolling the glorious CAD and modelling abilities next perhaps? Nope...the next killer feature was a magnetic power cord. HOLY !#&@

These are all great things...but don't kid yourself that this laptop is designed for the sorts of things you are trying to pump here. It's designed for general use and is equipped and spec'ed for general use. Nothing more. Congrats on completely falling for the marketing cues though. "PRO? MUST BE EXTRAORDINARY"

PhilTheThrill said,

Totally vague and ambiguous as expected. It's funny...we watch all these conferences and videos around release time. I don't recall any Apple bods talking about CAD and solid modelling. Maybe I missed those clips and you can show us them.

A MBP is what all Apple products are - stylish, trendy, but essentially overpriced. I took a quick peek at Steve Jobs announcing the original MBP back in 2006 for some hints on the thought process and targets for the device. Once he'd gone over the processor change from the old G4/G5 chips to Intel do you recall what the very first "crowd pleaser" announcement was? A built in webcam for videoconferencing on the go! EPIC. What was next? An IR sensor for your Apple remote! Enjoy your media! Was he extolling the glorious CAD and modelling abilities next perhaps? Nope...the next killer feature was a magnetic power cord. HOLY !#&@

These are all great things...but don't kid yourself that this laptop is designed for the sorts of things you are trying to pump here. It's designed for general use and is equipped and spec'ed for general use. Nothing more.

Why do you constantly misunderstand my comments? Where did I say that MBP is made for CAD and solid modeling? Is this discussion that far over your head?

A workstation is a productivity computer that is optimized for a specific type of design. Clearly you don't understand what the Iris GPU is optimized for in these MBPs... A little bit of research would do you wonders...

Again, if these are so overpriced, find an equal alternative that's cheaper. I've asked this multiple times and everybody suddenly goes quiet. Just because something is too expensive for your needs, doesn't mean it's overpriced. The term "overpriced" by definition is in relation to another product. So prove it... Like usual, I'll expect crickets from you.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Why do you constantly misunderstand my comments? Where did I say that MBP is made for CAD and solid modeling? Is this discussion that far over your head?

A workstation is a productivity computer that is optimized for a specific type of design. Clearly you don't understand what the Iris GPU is optimized for in these MBPs... A little bit of research would do you wonders...

Again, if these are so overpriced, find an equal alternative that's cheaper. I've asked this multiple times and everybody suddenly goes quiet. Just because something is too expensive for your needs, doesn't mean it's overpriced. The term "overpriced" by definition is in relation to another product. So prove it... Like usual, I'll expect crickets from you.


I lol'd heartily. I think you're confusing yourself. You described the MBP as a "Professional Design Workstation". You then, in the very next paragraph, described your Dell PC: "...a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. Sounds like you've said both are "PDWs" (love the term by the way...very battlefield 3) and your definition specifically mentions CAD/modelling. Are their tiers of these "PDWs" in your mind...some for CAD/modelling...some not? Maybe your $2k Dell is a piece of crap like you say. That might suggest that perhaps it's not designed for the purpose you think. You might find the same thing with a MBP. Maybe the top end MBPs would perform well...but they're not $2k are they?

If you think there aren't hundreds of consumer grade laptops out there for less than MBPs cost you need to visit your nearest optometrist. Hell, Newegg will flog you Aorus laptops that have dual SSDs and larger mechanical drives (useful for storing those large "professional design" files you seem interested in) along with dual nVidia chips with dedicated memory...so you aren't dicking around if you want to do something that actually requires graphics performance. Even have backlit keyboards...I've seen some Apple fanboys using that one on this site as a prime requirement. You can even put more RAM in AFTER you buy it! Imagine Steve Jobs delivering those sorts of specifications...you'd be ejaculating in your Y-fronts before the end of the speech. Guess what? A couple hundred bucks LESS than the very best MBP on offer...and far superior. That's what Professionals need right...the best hardware?

But hey enjoy your Professional Design Workstation Mac. If you think it's the bees knees then thumbs up to you.

PhilTheThrill said,

I lol'd heartily. I think you're confusing yourself. You described the MBP as a "Professional Design Workstation". You then, in the very next paragraph, described your Dell PC: "...a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. Sounds like you've said both are "PDWs" (love the term by the way...very battlefield 3) and your definition specifically mentions CAD/modelling. Are their tiers of these "PDWs" in your mind...some for CAD/modelling...some not? Maybe your $2k Dell is a piece of crap like you say. That might suggest that perhaps it's not designed for the purpose you think. You might find the same thing with a MBP. Maybe the top end MBPs would perform well...but they're not $2k are they?

If you think there aren't hundreds of consumer grade laptops out there for less than MBPs cost you need to visit your nearest optometrist. Hell, Newegg will flog you Aorus laptops that have dual SSDs and larger mechanical drives (useful for storing those large "professional design" files you seem interested in) along with dual nVidia chips with dedicated memory...so you aren't dicking around if you want to do something that actually requires graphics performance. Even have backlit keyboards...I've seen some Apple fanboys using that one on this site as a prime requirement. You can even put more RAM in AFTER you buy it! Imagine Steve Jobs delivering those sorts of specifications...you'd be ejaculating in your Y-fronts before the end of the speech. Guess what? A couple hundred bucks LESS than the very best MBP on offer...and far superior. That's what Professionals need right...the best hardware?

But hey enjoy your Professional Design Workstation Mac. If you think it's the bees knees then thumbs up to you.

*facepalm* Wow, just wow... Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit...
You do know that a "workstation" is a general term, right? Just like how a "luxury sedan" is a general term, with many options within... It's really not that difficult of a concept, so I'm not sure why you're so lost here...

I'll give it one last try, and if you still can't grasp the concept, then I guess I'll keep the laughter to myself. So how do I know my Dell laptop is designed for CAD? Hmm... maybe because it has a Quadro GPU that is optimized for OpenGL... Clearly you were too lazy to do a simple Google search for what many of the components in the MBP are optimized for...

And like I expected, you can't provide any equivalents for a lesser price. Are you simply that ignorant or just too dim to admit you're wrong? Your choice...

Btw, I don't have a MBP and don't intend to buy one. The kind of work I do isn't best suited on one, but I do have the brain capacity to understand the market they're aimed at and the value they provide... Let me chalk up another assumption fail for you...

Edited by Astra.Xtreme, Jul 31 2014, 1:26pm :

Astra.Xtreme said,

*facepalm* Wow, just wow...
You do know that a "workstation" is a general term, right? Just like how a "luxury sedan" is a general term, with many options within... It's really not that difficult of a concept, so I'm not sure why you're so lost here...

I'll give it one last try, and if you still can't grasp the concept, then I guess I'll keep the laughter to myself. So how do I know my Dell laptop is designed for CAD? Hmm... maybe because it has a Quadro GPU that is optimized for OpenGL... Clearly you were too lazy to do a simple Google search for what many of the components in the MBP are optimized for...

And like I expected, you can't provide any equivalents for a lesser price. Are you simply that ignorant or just too dim to admit you're wrong? You're choice...

Btw, I don't have a MBP and don't intend to buy one. The kind of work I do isn't best suited on one, but I do have the brain capacity to understand the market they're aimed at and the value they provide...

Haha. Ah...a general term...ok. You do recall I asked you for your definition of the term yes? You remember giving that definition above right? Don't try to squirm now mate. You fully stated that a "Pro Design Workstation" to you was one involved in tasks like CAD and modelling. You described a Macbook Pro as a Pro Design Workstation. You now seem to be moving in the right direction by hinting you understand they're just general laptops with general hardware designed for general tasks. I'm glad you're coming round.

And I even gave you the name of a superior but cheaper alternative (Aorus X7 models). I even told you which retailer will sell them to you. Here Newegg is flogging them for $2,300. Then I look at a $2,600 MBP and I think "Well played Tim Cook...well played".

Aorus even give you a 2 yr warranty because they are actually well made. Apple...not so much faith in their kit...or perhaps they just want to sell more "extended warranties" on their overpriced kit. Perhaps I'm cynical ;)

PhilTheThrill said,

Haha. Ah...a general term...ok. You do recall I asked you for your definition of the term yes? You remember giving that definition above right? Don't try to squirm now mate. You fully stated that a "Pro Design Workstation" to you was one involved in tasks like CAD and modelling. You described a Macbook Pro as a Pro Design Workstation. You now seem to be moving in the right direction by hinting you understand they're just general laptops with general hardware designed for general tasks. I'm glad you're coming round.

And I even gave you the name of a superior but cheaper alternative (Aorus X7 models). I even told you which retailer will sell them to you. Here Newegg is flogging them for $2,300. Then I look at a $2,600 MBP and I think "Well played Tim Cook...well played".

Aorus even give you a 2 yr warranty because they are actually well made. Apple...not so much faith in their kit...or perhaps they just want to sell more "extended warranties" on their overpriced kit. Perhaps I'm cynical ;)

For the third time, where did I say that the MBP is made for CAD and modeling? Scroll up, the text is right up there in plain English... I'm appalled at how difficult this is for you... Is taking 2 minutes to Google the subject and LEARN something, that difficult for you? If you want to continue showing your ignorance, that's fine, but have some dignity for yourself...

And remember that part when I said to find a cheaper equivalent? If you've already forgotten, scroll up... So you post an equally expensive gaming laptop that has a 1080p screen, lesser SSD, etc.? Exactly what I told you NOT to post, since it's nowhere near an equivalent... Chalk up another fail...

I'll give you a hint... Dell and Asus have competing products, but guess what? They're the same price but with lesser hardware. MIND BLOWN!

Thanks for the continued amusement.

Astra.Xtreme said,

For the third time, where did I say that the MBP is made for CAD and modeling? Scroll up, the text is right up there in plain English... I'm appalled at how difficult this is for you... Is taking 2 minutes to Google the subject and LEARN something, that difficult for you? If you want to continue showing your ignorance, that's fine, but have some dignity for yourself...

And remember that part when I said to find a cheaper equivalent? If you've already forgotten, scroll up... So you post an equally expensive gaming laptop that has a 1080p screen, lesser SSD, etc.? Exactly what I told you NOT to post, since it's nowhere near an equivalent... Chalk up another fail...

I'll give you a hint... Dell and Asus have competing products, but guess what? They're the same price but with lesser hardware. MIND BLOWN!

Thanks for the continued amusement.

Yep...I'm pretty convinced you are suffering from some sort of mental deficit or dementia now. What you wrote is clear and quoted. Everyone else can read it.

The only thing lesser about the Aorus laptop is the price.

PhilTheThrill said,

Yep...I'm pretty convinced you are suffering from some sort of mental deficit or dementia now. What you wrote is clear and quoted. Everyone else can read it.

The only thing lesser about the Aorus laptop is the price.

So you're saying that the Aorus laptop has a higher resolution screen, larger SSD, and lesser price? All I have to say is: hahahahahhaah

10 < 2, right? And you think I have a mental deficit? You can't even comprehend simple numbers...

Astra.Xtreme said,

I'll give you a hint... Dell and Asus have competing products, but guess what? They're the same price but with lesser hardware. MIND BLOWN!

Thanks for the continued amusement.

Dell and Asus do have a far superior OS though =). Windows 8.1 >>> OSX XX. And, I mean, OSX doent even support touch screens... BOOM! =)

Scabrat said,

Dell and Asus do have a far superior OS though =). Windows 8.1 >>> OSX XX. And, I mean, OSX doent even support touch screens... BOOM! =)

Haha, I'll absolutely agree with you there. :)

Scabrat said,

Dell and Asus do have a far superior OS though =). Windows 8.1 >>> OSX XX. And, I mean, OSX doent even support touch screens... BOOM! =)

To me it's a gimmick. On my Surface Pro 2, I only use the touchscreen if I need to draw/write something, or if I have the type cover attached and I need to use the stylus to move/perform mouse actions (since the touchpad on the type cover sucks!). Even on my old Win. 8 laptop, I never really used the touchscreen. But, yes, you're right, Apple laptops don't have touchscreens, and it's nice to have the option of having one (since not everyone's use case is the same).

Having used Windows on all my computers, I do feel more at home with Windows than I do with OS X. That's not to say OS X is bad, I just feel far more productive/more efficient in Windows.

tsupersonic said,
To me it's a gimmick. On my Surface Pro 2, I only use the touchscreen if I need to draw/write something, or if I have the type cover attached and I need to use the stylus to move/perform mouse actions (since the touchpad on the type cover sucks!). Even on my old Win. 8 laptop, I never really used the touchscreen. But, yes, you're right, Apple laptops don't have touchscreens, and it's nice to have the option of having one (since not everyone's use case is the same).

Having used Windows on all my computers, I do feel more at home with Windows than I do with OS X. That's not to say OS X is bad, I just feel far more productive/more efficient in Windows.

I wouldnt be surprised that in the next 5 years, apple will have a touchscreen model. They are usually late to the feature party in the name of "we wanted it to work properly" (which isnt always bad. I just like being on the front lines ;)). But, I think as convertibles become more common and more powerful and battery efficient then the UIs of things will be more touch friendly. Heck, even Amazon has changed their site and it has bigger buttons for touch friendly devices =).

But I am much more at home with Windows than I am OSX as well. And I am a big fan of having as many forms of input as I can =). Be that keyboard, mouse, touch, speech, gestures, etc, etc. Why limit user preference and situations they find themselves in? =)

Holy ######. The top range one $2.499.00. My laptop has pretty much has the same spec, apart from the hard drive. My one cost me £800 with a 17" screen. Apple don't half over charge you.

What model laptop do you have? Also consider 800GBP is like $1350USD. I got a similar dell 15r, but it didn't come with a quad-core i7, which aren't cheap or easy to find in laptops. Also didn't have any SSD, much less a 512GB SSD, and it don't have 8Hr battery life (~6 depending on use), I got no Wireless AC, which was another $50 expense, and the screen while 1080p just isn't as crisp as the retina is (2660x1800 or something?) I also got a straight power plug, not a neat magnetic one.

The dell was about 1/3rd the price of a macbook however, and to me works the same/is plenty fast for my uses. If you really boil down and want all those premium laptop features, the macbook is among the cheapest in its field.

Intel is one of the reason why macbook pro be can incredibly pricy. It isn't entirely apple decision to overcharge you because there isn't any competition in CPU market.

I thought ATI was a good alternative to Intel. Mind you I'm going by the last Desktop I built. It has been quite a long time ago since I last built one. 2004 I think with an Athlon XP 3200 (had to sell that and get a laptop because me and the Ex wife ended up moving into a small flat and I've been buying laptops since). Not sure how they hold up today. Going to upgrade the hard drive in this laptop to an SSD since I've noticed them coming down in price. £350 for a 1TB. The only thing I hate about laptops is that they always package them with 5400 RPM hard drives which I always find is the bottleneck.

They've stopped updating that model. It's just there for people who want a CD drive, I'm surprised they still sell it considering it's 2 years old now.

It's not officially dead but they're considered dead because they haven't updated since they annouced the 'next generation' Macbook Pro's which is the ones with the retina display. They expect you to buy a thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet adapter.

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