Apple has refreshed its MacBook Pros with updated specs, lowers the price

Apple has announced today that they have updated the specs on their premium line of laptops, the MacBook Pro, and have lowered the price for entry too. All of the Retina laptops now come with faster processors, double the memory in both entry-level configurations, and a new, lower starting price for the top-of-the-line 15-inch notebook. The price was also dropped on the non-Retina MacBook Pro too, by $100, which Apple claims is very popular with folks who are switching from Windows.

The new Retina machine start at $1299 for the 13in model and come with a 2.6 GHz dual-core Core i5, 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage. The 15in Retina laptops now starts with a Core i7, 16GB of RAM and is $100 cheaper than the prior iteration.

The new lower price on some of the machines will likely appease critics who say that Apple laptops are overpriced. Even though the price cut was only $100 and not all machines got the price drop, it will likely help the company sell a few more units as it closes the gap between the pricing on Apple laptops and comparable Windows machines.

The updated laptops are available today on Apple's website and at their retail outlets.

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They've stopped updating that model. It's just there for people who want a CD drive, I'm surprised they still sell it considering it's 2 years old now.

It's not officially dead but they're considered dead because they haven't updated since they annouced the 'next generation' Macbook Pro's which is the ones with the retina display. They expect you to buy a thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet adapter.

Intel is one of the reason why macbook pro be can incredibly pricy. It isn't entirely apple decision to overcharge you because there isn't any competition in CPU market.

I thought ATI was a good alternative to Intel. Mind you I'm going by the last Desktop I built. It has been quite a long time ago since I last built one. 2004 I think with an Athlon XP 3200 (had to sell that and get a laptop because me and the Ex wife ended up moving into a small flat and I've been buying laptops since). Not sure how they hold up today. Going to upgrade the hard drive in this laptop to an SSD since I've noticed them coming down in price. £350 for a 1TB. The only thing I hate about laptops is that they always package them with 5400 RPM hard drives which I always find is the bottleneck.

Holy ######. The top range one $2.499.00. My laptop has pretty much has the same spec, apart from the hard drive. My one cost me £800 with a 17" screen. Apple don't half over charge you.

What model laptop do you have? Also consider 800GBP is like $1350USD. I got a similar dell 15r, but it didn't come with a quad-core i7, which aren't cheap or easy to find in laptops. Also didn't have any SSD, much less a 512GB SSD, and it don't have 8Hr battery life (~6 depending on use), I got no Wireless AC, which was another $50 expense, and the screen while 1080p just isn't as crisp as the retina is (2660x1800 or something?) I also got a straight power plug, not a neat magnetic one.

The dell was about 1/3rd the price of a macbook however, and to me works the same/is plenty fast for my uses. If you really boil down and want all those premium laptop features, the macbook is among the cheapest in its field.

I'm not convinced... I can't see any lure away from the Surface Pro 3 at these price points:

MacBook Pro / 13-inch / Haswell i5-????? (up to 3.1GHz) / 8GB RAM / 256 GB flash storage / £1199
Surface Pro 3 / 12-inch / Haswell i5-4300U (up to 2.9 GHz) / 8GB RAM / 256 GB flash storage / £1218 (inc. keyboard)

yet...
The MacBook Pro is 1570g , whereas the Surface Pro 3 is a mere 1095g even when you include the weight of the type 3 cover. The Surface also doubles up as a tablet with its touch screen and included stylus.

The MacBook might have a few extra pixels thrown into its screen and whatnot elsewhere, but not really any noticeable benefits over the Surface in my opinion.

richardsim7 said,
A few extra pixels? Have you ever used a retina MacBook?
The Surface Pro 3 has just 10 pixels per inch less. Not a notable difference. Beside, "Retina" is just a marketing term, there are a lot devices with screens that are much better.

lt8480 said,
I'm not convinced... I can't see any lure away from the Surface Pro 3 at these price points:

MacBook Pro / 13-inch / Haswell i5-????? (up to 3.1GHz) / 8GB RAM / 256 GB flash storage / £1199
Surface Pro 3 / 12-inch / Haswell i5-4300U (up to 2.9 GHz) / 8GB RAM / 256 GB flash storage / £1218 (inc. keyboard)

yet...
The MacBook Pro is 1570g , whereas the Surface Pro 3 is a mere 1095g even when you include the weight of the type 3 cover. The Surface also doubles up as a tablet with its touch screen and included stylus.

The MacBook might have a few extra pixels thrown into its screen and whatnot elsewhere, but not really any noticeable benefits over the Surface in my opinion.

MBP has a significantly better CPU i5 4288U vs. 4300U in SP3. The 4288U in the MBP ranks in at 304 on Passmark, where as SP3's CPU ranks in at 403. The integrated graphics card in MBP is also a lot better. You get more ports in MBP, a better keyboard and trackpad. The SP3 has a digitizer + touchscreen + it's lighter. Take your picks...

richardsim7 said,
A few extra pixels? Have you ever used a retina MacBook?

I have. Great screen for sure. So is the screen on a Surface Pro 3.

Difference is I can get a Surface Pro 3 with touch cover for about $250 less than a Macbook Pro. The Surface has the same sort of CPU, storage, battery life etc but is lighter, has a touchscreen, has 2x 1080p cameras (Macbook doesn't). The only thing you seem to lose out on is the RAM. I think I'd be buying a Surface Pro 3 any day of the week to be honest. It's in a different league.

tsupersonic said,
MBP has a significantly better CPU i5 4288U vs. 4300U in SP3. The 4288U in the MBP ranks in at 304 on Passmark, where as SP3's CPU ranks in at 403. The integrated graphics card in MBP is also a lot better. You get more ports in MBP, a better keyboard and trackpad. The SP3 has a digitizer + touchscreen + it's lighter. Take your picks...

With all that power that MBP do only web browsing. As a gamer i can get a decent gaming laptop with that price

tsupersonic said,
MBP has a significantly better CPU i5 4288U vs. 4300U in SP3. The 4288U in the MBP ranks in at 304 on Passmark, where as SP3's CPU ranks in at 403. The integrated graphics card in MBP is also a lot better. You get more ports in MBP, a better keyboard and trackpad. The SP3 has a digitizer + touchscreen + it's lighter. Take your picks...

"Significantly" better? LOL! The 4288U is marginally faster and only because it's running at 2.6 GHz compared to the 4300U's 1.9 GHz. However, there are plenty of drawbacks of the 4288U. It doesn't support security measures such as Intel vPro and Intel Trusted Execution Technology as well as TSX-NI, which improves efficiency in multithreaded transactional workloads (e.g. database transactions) which I highly doubt would be manifest in any benchmark that Passmark runs to get the rankings that you quoted. All of these aforementioned technologies are supported by 4300U.

I mean, look at the model numbers. Did you ever wonder why the supposedly "better" CPU has a lower model number? It's essentially an higher-clocked version of the less-advanced 4200U.

Calling the GPU in the 4288U a "lot better" is also a stretch. They're both ###### integrated graphics.

TMYW said,

"Significantly" better? LOL! The 4288U is marginally faster and only because it's running at 2.6 GHz compared to the 4300U's 1.9 GHz. However, there are plenty of drawbacks of the 4288U. It doesn't support security measures such as Intel vPro and Intel Trusted Execution Technology as well as TSX-NI, which improves efficiency in multithreaded transactional workloads (e.g. database transactions) which I highly doubt would be manifest in any benchmark that Passmark runs to get the rankings that you quoted. All of these aforementioned technologies are supported by 4300U.

I mean, look at the model numbers. Did you ever wonder why the supposedly "better" CPU has a lower model number? It's essentially an higher-clocked version of the less-advanced 4200U.

Calling the GPU in the 4288U a "lot better" is also a stretch. They're both ###### integrated graphics.

I doubt your average consumer even cares about those features offered by the 4300U. Overall, you're getting a faster CPU and a better iGPU in the MBP - you really can't argue against that. iGPU in the MBP can handle games quite well on lower details. IMO laptops don't need dedicated GPU's - it's a waste of power and money. Get a console or desktop if you really want to play the latest games...

spark7210 said,

With all that power that MBP do only web browsing. As a gamer i can get a decent gaming laptop with that price

For you. I use my MBP for development purposes + work + general web browsing + office. Stop generalizing.

spark7210 said,

With all that power that MBP do only web browsing. As a gamer i can get a decent gaming laptop with that price

You are very very misinformed... The Iris Pro can play most games at modest settings. Regardless, the MBP isn't a gaming computer...

You really should do some research before making claims on a topic you clearly aren't knowledgeable in... Just saying.

tsupersonic said,
I doubt your average consumer even cares about those features offered by the 4300U. Overall, you're getting a faster CPU and a better iGPU in the MBP - you really can't argue against that. iGPU in the MBP can handle games quite well on lower details. IMO laptops don't need dedicated GPU's - it's a waste of power and money. Get a console or desktop if you really want to play the latest games...

Individual consumers might not care, but enterprise customers do.

Also, if you're not interested in gaming, in what way will the better GPU manifest itself? The same goes for the CPU. What are you going to be doing that's so CPU-intensive that the marginally faster CPU is going to matter, especially when you're running two different OSes and programs with two completely different sets of binaries?

It's idiotic to make CPU and GPU performance and even RAM the focal point of a buying decision when there are so many variables that affect whether or not you'll even be able to leverage those differences. OTOH, weight, thinness, and portability are OS independent.

And we're not even getting into the countless additional use cases the tablet form factor, touch-capability, and pen-support affords the SP3 that the MBP can't even dream of fulfilling.

richardsim7 said,
A few extra pixels? Have you ever used a retina MacBook?

If you want to play that game, take a look at the iPhone 5s vs the year-old Galaxy S 4. 441 PPI (S4) vs 326 PPI (5s). OH HOLY ######! LOOK! MORE RETINA! That MUST mean Samsung is better and you can't compare the two because they're not the same spec. I'm not even going to mention resolution. :-)

TMYW said,

Individual consumers might not care, but enterprise customers do.

Also, if you're not interested in gaming, in what way will the better GPU manifest itself? The same goes for the CPU. What are you going to be doing that's so CPU-intensive that the marginally faster CPU is going to matter, especially when you're running two different OSes and programs with two completely different sets of binaries?

It's idiotic to make CPU and GPU performance and even RAM the focal point of a buying decision when there are so many variables that affect whether or not you'll even be able to leverage those differences. OTOH, weight, thinness, and portability are OS independent.

And we're not even getting into the countless additional use cases the tablet form factor, touch-capability, and pen-support affords the SP3 that the MBP can't even dream of fulfilling.

Enterprise...Mac? Heh, in my company not many people use Mac's. We only use them to support end users, of which there are not much that use Mac's. It's a moot point, which again leads to 90%+ of consumers won't even know what Vpro/Intel TXT are anyways.

Look at the OP in this thread. He was making comparisons of specs you get for the price. Both devices are competitive, in regards to specs and price (even though people claim Macs are expensive - some models definitely are!). There are pros/cons to both devices, and everyone has different needs. I do value portability, battery life, CPU and GPU (all equivalently) when I'm buying a laptop. Who says I don't game on a laptop? I do have Steam installed and play games from time to time on my MBP, SP2, and desktop. If I want to play modern games with highest details/resolution, my desktop has the best specs.

You don't have to tell me about the benefits of a Surface Pro. I have a Surface Pro 2. I love the device, but it has major pitfalls - including it being the buggiest computer to date that I have owned. It has many problems to which Microsoft still hasn't fixed in firmware updates (such as the infamous not waking up properly from sleep problem). The keyboard (and horrendous touchpad, if you can even call it a touchpad) is a suboptimal experience for $100+ retail. The fact that Microsoft still doesn't include a keyboard with the SP lineup is pathetic. I would even go far as saying the SP lineup is useless without a keyboard (any keyboard - not just type/touch covers). Not to mention the SP line of devices is still horrible for tablet uses imo. I default to my Nexus 7 for its portability factor.

Also, if you really want pen capabilities on a Mac or any Windows computer, just get one of the Wacom tablets/pads.

tsupersonic said,
I doubt your average consumer even cares about those features offered by the 4300U. Overall, you're getting a faster CPU and a better iGPU in the MBP - you really can't argue against that. iGPU in the MBP can handle games quite well on lower details. IMO laptops don't need dedicated GPU's - it's a waste of power and money. Get a console or desktop if you really want to play the latest games...

HA! Games, on a Mac? lol ;)

Scabrat said,

HA! Games, on a Mac? lol ;)

I would've said the same thing a few years ago. I don't use the MBP for hardcore gaming (that's for my Windows desktop/Xbox 360), but Steam's collection of Mac games is a good start ;) You also realize you can dual boot OS X/Windows, right?

tsupersonic said,
I would've said the same thing a few years ago. I don't use the MBP for hardcore gaming (that's for my Windows desktop/Xbox 360), but Steam's collection of Mac games is a good start ;) You also realize you can dual boot OS X/Windows, right?

I know it is growing and dual boot =). Was just trolling ;). Stereotypes.

I think the problem with comparing a MacBook Pro with a Surface Pro 3 is the ecosystem. The ecosystem doesn't show up in a spec sheet.

The Windows Modern UI ecosystem is terrible. So then... Enter desktop mode. And now you're sitting with a laptop with corners cut to make it a better tablet device (such as lacking an actual keyboard and having a now useless stylus and touch screen since everything touch in desktop mode is also a terrible UX), running desktop apps.

On the other hand, the MBP never tried to be anything it isn't. It doesn't try to be an iPad as well. It doesn't try to run iOS. Instead, the OS it does run is optimized for that particular device. I can bring up dozens of examples, like the OS X window management, multi desktops, etc. and touchpad swipes. There's none of that stuff in Windows 8 desktop mode, even if window management is a core concept of a desktop OS.

Edited by Northgrove, Jul 30 2014, 12:08pm :

PhilTheThrill said,

True. It's still priced like one though.

No, it's priced like a professional design workstation. Since that's what it is...

Northgrove said,
I think the problem with comparing a MacBook Pro with a Surface Pro 3 is the ecosystem. The ecosystem doesn't show up in a spec sheet.

The Windows Modern UI ecosystem is terrible. So then... Enter desktop mode. And now you're sitting with a laptop with corners cut to make it a better tablet device (such as lacking an actual keyboard and having a now useless stylus and touch screen since everything touch in desktop mode is also a terrible UX), running desktop apps.

On the other hand, the MBP never tried to be anything it isn't. It doesn't try to be an iPad as well. It doesn't try to run iOS. Instead, the OS it does run is optimized for that particular device. I can bring up dozens of examples, like the OS X window management, multi desktops, etc. and touchpad swipes. There's none of that stuff in Windows 8 desktop mode, even if window management is a core concept of a desktop OS.

Ecosystem = Every windows program made in the last 13+ years and the 99% of the mainstream tablet apps. People always bring this up but its a stereotype that is, for almost everyone, dead now. Move on =).

If you need to, you can get a docking station for this thing as well! So, if you need to work at a desk, dock it, if not, take it and go. Its brilliant really. OneNote is also optimized for both desktop and tablet for the SP3. AND, if you need to go on the run, its that form factor as well. You can even use it while you stand up and talk to someone cause the crazy keyboard doesnt get in the way. ;)

Windows 8 actually does have window management and touchpad swipes. They arent OSX ones, they are Windows ones but they have it. WinKey + up/down/left/right. If you have a 10 point input on a touch pad you can swipe around and get the same tablet feel. 2 or 3 finger swipe left goes back in chrome too. But, you are right, no multi-desktop built in. But there is 3rd party apps for it.

I know some people like OSX and like laptops. That is fine. Just say, "I prefer OS X" and move one. I hate OSX so I wont use it. To limiting like iOS. But the SP3 is a great device. It may be the first device to actually do desktop AND tablet well. And, for a bit extra, you can get accessories that make it ever better for a workstation environment. I would choose SP3 over MBP any day of the year, except backwards day... =)

PhilTheThrill said,

Definition pls.

Seriously?

Professional - What do you think the P stands for in "MBP"?
Design - What do you think most OS X programs are for? The hardware is optimized for what?
Workstation - A PC used for work...

Are you trolling, or have you seriously not heard those terms before? My Dell work laptop is a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. It's also a pile of junk that retailed for over $2k.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Seriously?

Professional - What do you think the P stands for in "MBP"?
Design - What do you think most OS X programs are for? The hardware is optimized for what?
Workstation - A PC used for work...

Are you trolling, or have you seriously not heard those terms before? My Dell work laptop is a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. It's also a pile of junk that retailed for over $2k.

Totally vague and ambiguous as expected. It's funny...we watch all these conferences and videos around release time. I don't recall any Apple bods talking about CAD and solid modelling. Maybe I missed those clips and you can show us them.

A MBP is what all Apple products are - stylish, trendy, but essentially overpriced. I took a quick peek at Steve Jobs announcing the original MBP back in 2006 for some hints on the thought process and targets for the device. Once he'd gone over the processor change from the old G4/G5 chips to Intel do you recall what the very first "crowd pleaser" announcement was? A built in webcam for videoconferencing on the go! EPIC. What was next? An IR sensor for your Apple remote! Enjoy your media! Was he extolling the glorious CAD and modelling abilities next perhaps? Nope...the next killer feature was a magnetic power cord. HOLY !#&@

These are all great things...but don't kid yourself that this laptop is designed for the sorts of things you are trying to pump here. It's designed for general use and is equipped and spec'ed for general use. Nothing more. Congrats on completely falling for the marketing cues though. "PRO? MUST BE EXTRAORDINARY"

PhilTheThrill said,

Totally vague and ambiguous as expected. It's funny...we watch all these conferences and videos around release time. I don't recall any Apple bods talking about CAD and solid modelling. Maybe I missed those clips and you can show us them.

A MBP is what all Apple products are - stylish, trendy, but essentially overpriced. I took a quick peek at Steve Jobs announcing the original MBP back in 2006 for some hints on the thought process and targets for the device. Once he'd gone over the processor change from the old G4/G5 chips to Intel do you recall what the very first "crowd pleaser" announcement was? A built in webcam for videoconferencing on the go! EPIC. What was next? An IR sensor for your Apple remote! Enjoy your media! Was he extolling the glorious CAD and modelling abilities next perhaps? Nope...the next killer feature was a magnetic power cord. HOLY !#&@

These are all great things...but don't kid yourself that this laptop is designed for the sorts of things you are trying to pump here. It's designed for general use and is equipped and spec'ed for general use. Nothing more.

Why do you constantly misunderstand my comments? Where did I say that MBP is made for CAD and solid modeling? Is this discussion that far over your head?

A workstation is a productivity computer that is optimized for a specific type of design. Clearly you don't understand what the Iris GPU is optimized for in these MBPs... A little bit of research would do you wonders...

Again, if these are so overpriced, find an equal alternative that's cheaper. I've asked this multiple times and everybody suddenly goes quiet. Just because something is too expensive for your needs, doesn't mean it's overpriced. The term "overpriced" by definition is in relation to another product. So prove it... Like usual, I'll expect crickets from you.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Why do you constantly misunderstand my comments? Where did I say that MBP is made for CAD and solid modeling? Is this discussion that far over your head?

A workstation is a productivity computer that is optimized for a specific type of design. Clearly you don't understand what the Iris GPU is optimized for in these MBPs... A little bit of research would do you wonders...

Again, if these are so overpriced, find an equal alternative that's cheaper. I've asked this multiple times and everybody suddenly goes quiet. Just because something is too expensive for your needs, doesn't mean it's overpriced. The term "overpriced" by definition is in relation to another product. So prove it... Like usual, I'll expect crickets from you.


I lol'd heartily. I think you're confusing yourself. You described the MBP as a "Professional Design Workstation". You then, in the very next paragraph, described your Dell PC: "...a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. Sounds like you've said both are "PDWs" (love the term by the way...very battlefield 3) and your definition specifically mentions CAD/modelling. Are their tiers of these "PDWs" in your mind...some for CAD/modelling...some not? Maybe your $2k Dell is a piece of crap like you say. That might suggest that perhaps it's not designed for the purpose you think. You might find the same thing with a MBP. Maybe the top end MBPs would perform well...but they're not $2k are they?

If you think there aren't hundreds of consumer grade laptops out there for less than MBPs cost you need to visit your nearest optometrist. Hell, Newegg will flog you Aorus laptops that have dual SSDs and larger mechanical drives (useful for storing those large "professional design" files you seem interested in) along with dual nVidia chips with dedicated memory...so you aren't dicking around if you want to do something that actually requires graphics performance. Even have backlit keyboards...I've seen some Apple fanboys using that one on this site as a prime requirement. You can even put more RAM in AFTER you buy it! Imagine Steve Jobs delivering those sorts of specifications...you'd be ejaculating in your Y-fronts before the end of the speech. Guess what? A couple hundred bucks LESS than the very best MBP on offer...and far superior. That's what Professionals need right...the best hardware?

But hey enjoy your Professional Design Workstation Mac. If you think it's the bees knees then thumbs up to you.

PhilTheThrill said,

I lol'd heartily. I think you're confusing yourself. You described the MBP as a "Professional Design Workstation". You then, in the very next paragraph, described your Dell PC: "...a professional design workstation since it's designed for CAD and solid modeling. Sounds like you've said both are "PDWs" (love the term by the way...very battlefield 3) and your definition specifically mentions CAD/modelling. Are their tiers of these "PDWs" in your mind...some for CAD/modelling...some not? Maybe your $2k Dell is a piece of crap like you say. That might suggest that perhaps it's not designed for the purpose you think. You might find the same thing with a MBP. Maybe the top end MBPs would perform well...but they're not $2k are they?

If you think there aren't hundreds of consumer grade laptops out there for less than MBPs cost you need to visit your nearest optometrist. Hell, Newegg will flog you Aorus laptops that have dual SSDs and larger mechanical drives (useful for storing those large "professional design" files you seem interested in) along with dual nVidia chips with dedicated memory...so you aren't dicking around if you want to do something that actually requires graphics performance. Even have backlit keyboards...I've seen some Apple fanboys using that one on this site as a prime requirement. You can even put more RAM in AFTER you buy it! Imagine Steve Jobs delivering those sorts of specifications...you'd be ejaculating in your Y-fronts before the end of the speech. Guess what? A couple hundred bucks LESS than the very best MBP on offer...and far superior. That's what Professionals need right...the best hardware?

But hey enjoy your Professional Design Workstation Mac. If you think it's the bees knees then thumbs up to you.

*facepalm* Wow, just wow... Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit...
You do know that a "workstation" is a general term, right? Just like how a "luxury sedan" is a general term, with many options within... It's really not that difficult of a concept, so I'm not sure why you're so lost here...

I'll give it one last try, and if you still can't grasp the concept, then I guess I'll keep the laughter to myself. So how do I know my Dell laptop is designed for CAD? Hmm... maybe because it has a Quadro GPU that is optimized for OpenGL... Clearly you were too lazy to do a simple Google search for what many of the components in the MBP are optimized for...

And like I expected, you can't provide any equivalents for a lesser price. Are you simply that ignorant or just too dim to admit you're wrong? Your choice...

Btw, I don't have a MBP and don't intend to buy one. The kind of work I do isn't best suited on one, but I do have the brain capacity to understand the market they're aimed at and the value they provide... Let me chalk up another assumption fail for you...

Edited by Astra.Xtreme, Jul 31 2014, 1:26pm :

Astra.Xtreme said,

*facepalm* Wow, just wow...
You do know that a "workstation" is a general term, right? Just like how a "luxury sedan" is a general term, with many options within... It's really not that difficult of a concept, so I'm not sure why you're so lost here...

I'll give it one last try, and if you still can't grasp the concept, then I guess I'll keep the laughter to myself. So how do I know my Dell laptop is designed for CAD? Hmm... maybe because it has a Quadro GPU that is optimized for OpenGL... Clearly you were too lazy to do a simple Google search for what many of the components in the MBP are optimized for...

And like I expected, you can't provide any equivalents for a lesser price. Are you simply that ignorant or just too dim to admit you're wrong? You're choice...

Btw, I don't have a MBP and don't intend to buy one. The kind of work I do isn't best suited on one, but I do have the brain capacity to understand the market they're aimed at and the value they provide...

Haha. Ah...a general term...ok. You do recall I asked you for your definition of the term yes? You remember giving that definition above right? Don't try to squirm now mate. You fully stated that a "Pro Design Workstation" to you was one involved in tasks like CAD and modelling. You described a Macbook Pro as a Pro Design Workstation. You now seem to be moving in the right direction by hinting you understand they're just general laptops with general hardware designed for general tasks. I'm glad you're coming round.

And I even gave you the name of a superior but cheaper alternative (Aorus X7 models). I even told you which retailer will sell them to you. Here Newegg is flogging them for $2,300. Then I look at a $2,600 MBP and I think "Well played Tim Cook...well played".

Aorus even give you a 2 yr warranty because they are actually well made. Apple...not so much faith in their kit...or perhaps they just want to sell more "extended warranties" on their overpriced kit. Perhaps I'm cynical ;)

PhilTheThrill said,

Haha. Ah...a general term...ok. You do recall I asked you for your definition of the term yes? You remember giving that definition above right? Don't try to squirm now mate. You fully stated that a "Pro Design Workstation" to you was one involved in tasks like CAD and modelling. You described a Macbook Pro as a Pro Design Workstation. You now seem to be moving in the right direction by hinting you understand they're just general laptops with general hardware designed for general tasks. I'm glad you're coming round.

And I even gave you the name of a superior but cheaper alternative (Aorus X7 models). I even told you which retailer will sell them to you. Here Newegg is flogging them for $2,300. Then I look at a $2,600 MBP and I think "Well played Tim Cook...well played".

Aorus even give you a 2 yr warranty because they are actually well made. Apple...not so much faith in their kit...or perhaps they just want to sell more "extended warranties" on their overpriced kit. Perhaps I'm cynical ;)

For the third time, where did I say that the MBP is made for CAD and modeling? Scroll up, the text is right up there in plain English... I'm appalled at how difficult this is for you... Is taking 2 minutes to Google the subject and LEARN something, that difficult for you? If you want to continue showing your ignorance, that's fine, but have some dignity for yourself...

And remember that part when I said to find a cheaper equivalent? If you've already forgotten, scroll up... So you post an equally expensive gaming laptop that has a 1080p screen, lesser SSD, etc.? Exactly what I told you NOT to post, since it's nowhere near an equivalent... Chalk up another fail...

I'll give you a hint... Dell and Asus have competing products, but guess what? They're the same price but with lesser hardware. MIND BLOWN!

Thanks for the continued amusement.

Astra.Xtreme said,

For the third time, where did I say that the MBP is made for CAD and modeling? Scroll up, the text is right up there in plain English... I'm appalled at how difficult this is for you... Is taking 2 minutes to Google the subject and LEARN something, that difficult for you? If you want to continue showing your ignorance, that's fine, but have some dignity for yourself...

And remember that part when I said to find a cheaper equivalent? If you've already forgotten, scroll up... So you post an equally expensive gaming laptop that has a 1080p screen, lesser SSD, etc.? Exactly what I told you NOT to post, since it's nowhere near an equivalent... Chalk up another fail...

I'll give you a hint... Dell and Asus have competing products, but guess what? They're the same price but with lesser hardware. MIND BLOWN!

Thanks for the continued amusement.

Yep...I'm pretty convinced you are suffering from some sort of mental deficit or dementia now. What you wrote is clear and quoted. Everyone else can read it.

The only thing lesser about the Aorus laptop is the price.

PhilTheThrill said,

Yep...I'm pretty convinced you are suffering from some sort of mental deficit or dementia now. What you wrote is clear and quoted. Everyone else can read it.

The only thing lesser about the Aorus laptop is the price.

So you're saying that the Aorus laptop has a higher resolution screen, larger SSD, and lesser price? All I have to say is: hahahahahhaah

10 < 2, right? And you think I have a mental deficit? You can't even comprehend simple numbers...

Astra.Xtreme said,

I'll give you a hint... Dell and Asus have competing products, but guess what? They're the same price but with lesser hardware. MIND BLOWN!

Thanks for the continued amusement.

Dell and Asus do have a far superior OS though =). Windows 8.1 >>> OSX XX. And, I mean, OSX doent even support touch screens... BOOM! =)

Scabrat said,

Dell and Asus do have a far superior OS though =). Windows 8.1 >>> OSX XX. And, I mean, OSX doent even support touch screens... BOOM! =)

Haha, I'll absolutely agree with you there. :)

Scabrat said,

Dell and Asus do have a far superior OS though =). Windows 8.1 >>> OSX XX. And, I mean, OSX doent even support touch screens... BOOM! =)

To me it's a gimmick. On my Surface Pro 2, I only use the touchscreen if I need to draw/write something, or if I have the type cover attached and I need to use the stylus to move/perform mouse actions (since the touchpad on the type cover sucks!). Even on my old Win. 8 laptop, I never really used the touchscreen. But, yes, you're right, Apple laptops don't have touchscreens, and it's nice to have the option of having one (since not everyone's use case is the same).

Having used Windows on all my computers, I do feel more at home with Windows than I do with OS X. That's not to say OS X is bad, I just feel far more productive/more efficient in Windows.

tsupersonic said,
To me it's a gimmick. On my Surface Pro 2, I only use the touchscreen if I need to draw/write something, or if I have the type cover attached and I need to use the stylus to move/perform mouse actions (since the touchpad on the type cover sucks!). Even on my old Win. 8 laptop, I never really used the touchscreen. But, yes, you're right, Apple laptops don't have touchscreens, and it's nice to have the option of having one (since not everyone's use case is the same).

Having used Windows on all my computers, I do feel more at home with Windows than I do with OS X. That's not to say OS X is bad, I just feel far more productive/more efficient in Windows.

I wouldnt be surprised that in the next 5 years, apple will have a touchscreen model. They are usually late to the feature party in the name of "we wanted it to work properly" (which isnt always bad. I just like being on the front lines ;)). But, I think as convertibles become more common and more powerful and battery efficient then the UIs of things will be more touch friendly. Heck, even Amazon has changed their site and it has bigger buttons for touch friendly devices =).

But I am much more at home with Windows than I am OSX as well. And I am a big fan of having as many forms of input as I can =). Be that keyboard, mouse, touch, speech, gestures, etc, etc. Why limit user preference and situations they find themselves in? =)

MAC PRO (13-inch: 2.6GHz with Retina display)
$1300 in US
$1660 in TR

IPHONE 5S (Sim Free)
$670 in US
$1020 in TR

f... the system!

$100 cheaper. Amazing! $2000 for a laptop without a dedicated GPU. Even better!

/facepalm

Too bad one with a 880 GTX is available for a lot less.

Astra.Xtreme said,
Not with the same specs...
There isn't an equivalent on the market for a cheaper price.
Wait, what? You can't get a better laptop for less than $2k?

Jombi said,
Wait, what? You can't get a better laptop for less than $2k?

Read what I said... Find a laptop with the same or better specs for less. And don't post some junk with a 1080p screen and a dual core. Same or better specs. Good luck.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Read what I said... Find a laptop with the same or better specs for less. And don't post some junk with a 1080p screen and a dual core. Same or better specs. Good luck.

1080p is junk now? What the hell?

Astra.Xtreme said,

Read what I said... Find a laptop with the same or better specs for less. And don't post some junk with a 1080p screen and a dual core. Same or better specs. Good luck.

880 GTX vs. an integrated GPU.

RETK!

Dashel said,
Ah, the laughable car analogy. How predicable.

Ah yes, the random bystander adding absolutely nothing to the conversation...
How typical...

'lowers the price' - not the case in Australia, even for the non-Retina version. :(

Apple US tax + Apple Australia tax = ...

It is better yes, but I can't get over the fact that you are, in this day and age, still buying a laptop with no touch nor pen. I struggled with this and ended up getting a higher end Zenbook.

BigBoy said,
I struggled with this and ended up getting a higher end Zenbook.
You prefer touch over keyboard shortcuts?

BigBoy said,
It is better yes, but I can't get over the fact that you are, in this day and age, still buying a laptop with no touch nor pen. I struggled with this and ended up getting a higher end Zenbook.

There's plenty of people who don't find touch or pen input remotely attractive. I spent a bit of time with a Lenovo Yoga running Windows 8.1 and thought it was a nice piece of kit and the touch interface was nicely done, etc - but if I wanted to just use it as a laptop, I couldn't think of any actual need for touch / pen input. I think there are certainly use cases for them but I doubt they'll be a "deal breaker" for a wide cross section of users.

sanke1 said,
The entry level model looks very enticing.

I wish I could get by with only 128GB of storage space. It's ridiculous that they make you pay $500 to bring that up to 512GB.

BigBoy said,
It is better yes, but I can't get over the fact that you are, in this day and age, still buying a laptop with no touch nor pen. I struggled with this and ended up getting a higher end Zenbook.
A very small percentage of society is interested in touch on a laptop. Touch on a laptop is like 3D on televisions.

JHBrown said,
A very small percentage of society is interested in touch on a laptop. Touch on a laptop is like 3D on televisions.

Do you mean as in a gimmick or as in its like it. Because 3D on a tv you have to enable and watch and it affects viewing of the tv. But touch screen laptops have no affect on viewing or interacting if you dont use the touch feature AND you can instantly touch the screen and it works. So, there is no extra pain or disadvantage if you dont or do use the touchscreen.

Also, when transitioning from a tablet, to a laptop, and back again, touch makes much more sense. Are you saying you have never once reached out to touch something on your laptop? =)

tsupersonic said,
/grumbles. I bought mine early June, but with big discounts on 13" MBP 8GB RAM/256 GB SSD

If you bought it from apple you can talk to them and they'll take care of you. They have returned stuff a month and half out for me because a new product has come out.

Sikh said,

If you bought it from apple you can talk to them and they'll take care of you. They have returned stuff a month and half out for me because a new product has come out.

Ah nice, didn't know they did that. I got it from Bestbuy, so I doubt I can get a price match. Oh well, typical technology...

Yeah.

Apple Stores are legit because they really don't get told when new products are coming out. Only people that know are shipping and thats like a few days out. So by that time it doesnt matter.

But because of this, any customer that feels like they have been "taken" advantage of, can be taken care of without problems cause they put it down as "customer satisfaction - new product release". One of the reasons I shop at the apple store

"The new lower price on some of the machines will likely appease critics who say that Apple laptops are overpriced"

lol no it won't. And then when you add the cost of a windows license to run bootcamp or parallels, this really won't make any difference, just as it never has for the mac. People flock to windows machine because they are cheap. there is nothing cheap about any of these models.

neonspark said,
"The new lower price on some of the machines will likely appease critics who say that Apple laptops are overpriced"

lol no it won't. And then when you add the cost of a windows license to run bootcamp or parallels, this really won't make any difference, just as it never has for the mac. People flock to windows machine because they are cheap. there is nothing cheap about any of these models.

The difference is, give it a year or two and then you can sell the Mac Book Pro for almost the same price you bought it for and then upgrade to the latest. A standard windows laptop, doesn't fair so well.

sagum said,

The difference is, give it a year or two and then you can sell the Mac Book Pro for almost the same price you bought it for and then upgrade to the latest. A standard windows laptop, doesn't fair so well.

Eh, if you are selling it for nearly the same price you bought it, you found a sucker. You can find suckers to buy windows machines for more, too.

sagum said,

The difference is, give it a year or two and then you can sell the Mac Book Pro for almost the same price you bought it for and then upgrade to the latest.

HA! This is completely false. I sold my rMBP 13" for $500 less than what I paid after only 6-7 months of owning it, and I was trying to sell it for months without anybody wanting to pay more.

Look at all the used rMBP's on eBay, they're often going for 30-40% less than what they were brand new only a year after they came out.

You might have been right years back when Apple had a tiny market share. but this has definitely changed.

scorpian007 said,

HA! This is completely false. I sold my rMBP 13" for $500 less than what I paid after only 6-7 months of owning it, and I was trying to sell it for months without anybody wanting to pay more.

Look at all the used rMBP's on eBay, they're often going for 30-40% less than what they were brand new only a year after they came out.

You might have been right years back when Apple had a tiny market share. but this has definitely changed.

Man, you seems to have a totally different eBay than me. Can't find any MBP in good condition at 30-40% less. You so lucky !

scorpian007 said,

HA! This is completely false. I sold my rMBP 13" for $500 less than what I paid after only 6-7 months of owning it, and I was trying to sell it for months without anybody wanting to pay more.

Look at all the used rMBP's on eBay, they're often going for 30-40% less than what they were brand new only a year after they came out.

You might have been right years back when Apple had a tiny market share. but this has definitely changed.

Sucks for you... I see one on there ending in an hour that's ~$300 less than retail and it's 2 years old. And it's not exactly prime time for Ebay shopping.

mr1nv1s1ble said,

Man, you seems to have a totally different eBay than me.


Dunno, I'm using eBay Australia and most 15" rMBPs are $1600-1800 (RRP $2499)

spark7210 said,
I don't understand why people buying mac book air 13 instead of surface pro 3 if they want a comfortable work time laptop.

Because you don't...