Editorial

Apple is killing the traditional PC faster than you think

Take a good long look at your desktop; it doesn’t matter if it’s running Windows, Linux, or OS X. Just look at it, good, now, it’s going away; sorry. At least, that’s where Apple is headed and it is happening faster than you might think.

Sure, Apple has made reference that the traditional PC is dying and we are now in the “post PC era”, no surprises there. But what you might not realize is that Apple is moving quickly in this new direction and it is happening faster than you might think.

Let’s start with the obvious; the iPad. This device is the biggest threat to the desktop as we know it. It’s sleek, has massive sex appeal, is easy to use, long battery life and can do many of the things the casual consumer needs. It is a device that is selling in the millions and many are discovering that they use their computer less and less because of it.

This is nothing new; we have seen this trend since the day the iPad was released. In general, the tablet is great for consuming content, rather than creating it.

But moving forward, where can we see Apple’s new direction? Well, it is right in front of us but you must know where to look.  For example, Apple’s new OS, Lion, has an application launcher that brings the familiar iOS layout to the OS X experience. Sure, this is obvious, but you need to look deeper.

Apple, with its App Stores is also creating a unified platform, one that can go anywhere, do anything, as long as Apple says it’s ok. In reality, this is one metric Apple is using to help thwart malicious downloads to avoid becoming susceptible in the future to viruses. Mark my words, in the not so distant future, direct download of applications on OS X will be gone and replaced with the iOS App Store only environment. Some will refute this idea, but it’s already happening so you might as well get used to it.

Image Credit: Apple.com

Two marquee products for Apple’s software side are iPhoto and iMovie. Apple is already moving away from the desktop as they both have mobile applications that can do nearly everything the desktop version can; edit movies and photos, check, import directly to the iPad, check, need a computer to utilize the applications, nope.

Yeah but when I need to print, I need to use my laptop. No you don’t, Apple has been allowing this for some time.

There are two aspects that are key to this transition that are subtle but hugely important; Siri and the newly released Air Port utility for iOS.

Wait, what? How can the Air Port utility be killing the traditional PC? One of the few tasks that could not be done, before this application became available, was to manage your home network. Yes, you could do it through a web portal, but for those who live in the Apple world, it just got a whole lot easier.

The Air Port utility now allows you to manage nearly all aspects of your home wireless connection, need to see who all is connected to your network? You can now do it from your iPad or iPhone. It’s a relatively simple tool but immensely important for network management that no longer requires the desktop.

But, if you’re still thinking the keyboard and mouse are better for input than the virtual keyboards on the iDevices, Apple has that covered too.

Image Credit: Apple.com

Siri is the future for Apple and they know it. The rollout to the iPhone 4S is only the start of their grand plans. Apple will kill the keyboard and mouse, for most tasks, and replace it with your voice. Once Apple successfully crowd-sources Siri and implements, implements and implements like hell, Siri will be your future input device, on all platforms.

Is any of this groundbreaking new information, certainly not, but it’s not until you start to put all the pieces of the puzzle together to start to understand how Apple will kill the desktop.

For now, it would look like you will always need a desktop in some form for things like Excel, Photoshop and heavy movie editing. But the amount of people that need computers for those activities versus how many general consumers only need it for the web, are two different buckets.

This process will not occur overnight, this we know. It will be a long phase that will result in one day a headline stating that tablet sales have now surpassed desktop sales. You know it’s coming, we know it’s coming, and Apple is already running in that direction.

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You love real computers, I love real computers, that much is clear. We have great computers and are always messing with them, and, despite what this article is getting at, that's never going to change.

The fact of the matter is, serious, hackable computers are always going to be available to us geeks. If necessary, we will build the computers and write the software ourselves.

But did it ever occur to you that not everyone loves computers as much as you and I?

Some people even dread using computers. But they still have email. They still need to look up information on the web. People who are not geeks should still have a right to connect to everyone else through the internet, access to all the world's information, and all the other benefits to humanity of digital technology. And if us geeks build the software well enough, there is no reason non-geeks should have to deal with file systems, obscure technical messages, command prompts, or anything of that sort just to participate in the digital age.

Letting everyone else on the web without burdening them with a full computer isn't going to change what geeks are or what geeks can do.

Nice read.
I don't think the desktop is going anywhere fast. Touch is just not adaptable to long hours working on complicated tasks and never will be. The keyboard and mouse where designed for the job they do as was touch. I love tablets but as mentioned above, they great for consuming but not for producing.

I'll happily lounge around in the front room browsing the net but the minute anything actually productive needs to take place, then it's off to the office and to the desktop for me.

I think Apple changed the conversation by splitting the use of devices into two categories: production and consumption.

You are not able to produce content (whether it be music, movies, apps, etc...) on the iPad. Maybe you can but with limited capabilities. If the iPad becomes a tool for production, then it will need to dive into a level of complexity that will rob it of its simplicity, which Apple holds sacred. The iPad, iPhone, <insert next iDevice here> will remain for consumption while Macs, PCs, keyboards, mice/trackpads are still going to be needed to produce the content that is to be consumed on mobile devices.

I can't imagine writing code or developing an application for the iPad, on the iPad. Call me too realistic, but I just can't see it.

[quote=Rolando said,]I think Apple changed the conversation by splitting the use of devices into two categories: production and consumption.

Very well said! Let Apply handle the "consumption" side and Microsoft handle the "production" side. With Microsoft stepping on Apple's toes with their Metro interface obsession, they could get burned. Why don't they stick with what they do reasonably well?

TsarNikky said,

Very well said! Let Apply handle the "consumption" side and Microsoft handle the "production" side. With Microsoft stepping on Apple's toes with their Metro interface obsession, they could get burned. Why don't they stick with what they do reasonably well?

In my opinion, Macs make better "production" tools than PCs, and iPads make better "consumption" tools than PCs... but that's just me Maybe Windows 8 has a shot at changing that

Two words, Accounting Practice. I can guarantee you, as long as there are accountants in this world, there will be PC's. One simply cannot do on a touch-screen device what accounts must in an 8 hour day, it is a physical impossibility. How do I know, I am an accounting systems admin for a large national firm.

but you are being short sighted, not too far away... the tasks of all accountants will be eliminated by voice input, the mechanics of accounting can be fully automated... Apple is working on this now, you'll see...

Ted Landry said,
but you are being short sighted, not too far away... the tasks of all accountants will be eliminated by voice input, the mechanics of accounting can be fully automated... Apple is working on this now, you'll see...

Apple may be working on it. As an Account Systems Administrator for the largest privately owned Financial firm in Australia. I can tell you Apple will not be able to replace what is required of us by our clients for a Loooooooooong time. People seem to forget, there are still a lot of farmers, working on 10 year old PCs, and we need to be able to support these people. I mean, they do provide us food to live after all...

It's short-sighted to think that one size fits all in the computer space. Expecting that everyone will buy new touch screen devices from Apple, when many primary producers are perfectly happy with that old pentium and quickbooks 7 is not going to make it happen. Old dogs...

Wow, Brad, Apple Fanboy much? First off, Microsoft was doing tablets long before Apple got into that game. Second of all, have heard of the Windows Developer Preview? Notice it shares some commonality with WP7? Notice that Microsoft also did a demo of it on a tablet with touch interface? Do you believe that's coincidence, or could it possibly be that Microsoft has already been working toward a ubiquitous OS that works across various devices (desktop, tablet and phone)?

I am so sick of people who see something on an Apple product acting like they're the first ones to do something. It's simply not true. There is nothing in this world to convince me to buy an Apple product. When the Windows 8 tablets come out, THOSE will be truly useful computing platforms while also being just as handy as a "consumption" device. Just as WP7.5 is still a much more useful platform over iOS, even the few things that are better on iOS 5.

No, Apple always doesn't things first, Microsoft only copies what Apple does years later. Apple had tablets way back in 1993, so you need to learn computing history before you make false comments.

You just have an inferiority complex that doesn't allow you to have the very best in life.

"Apple is killing Microsoft faster than you think" ... should be the title of this article...

Ted Landry said,
No, Apple always doesn't things first, Microsoft only copies what Apple does years later. Apple had tablets way back in 1993, so you need to learn computing history before you make false comments.

You just have an inferiority complex that doesn't allow you to have the very best in life.

"Apple is killing Microsoft faster than you think" ... should be the title of this article...

1989 Gridpad running ontop of Microsoft DOS... Depends really how far back you go.. as to who had the "tablet first" So who copies who?

http://www.maximumtech.com/fil...fullsize/gallery/1989ad.jpg

and if you say so primitive

Compaq Concerto, 1992
One of the early models to run Windows for Pen Computing
http://www.maximumtech.com/com...chnology-42-swipes#slide-21

That one was color and newton was not--
Plus -- Apple copied the Ipad from Star Trek anyhow...
http://www.purplecoffee.co.uk/...Star-Trek-Padd-vs-iPad1.jpg

Edited by redvamp128, Oct 26 2011, 1:59am :

I find it funny that it's the "year of the tablet" when we had Windows tablets as far back as 2002. The only reason tablets are popular is because Apple markets them better. I find it ironic that the marching drones in the 1984 Super Bowl Macintosh commercial is reminiscent to how people follow Apple today....

well, the "tablets" microsoft tried to sell were based on windows, and that os was too power hungry, never had touch input, was poorly made like all ms products, so that's why it never took off. Apple had tablets back in 1993, but they were too advanced for the processors of the time.

I don't think marketing has much to do with the massive success of the iPad, it's nearly 90% to do with it's simply an incredible product. It kinda sounds like you don't own one, so your viewpoint is invalid.

The iPad is designed for the casual consumer. If you primarily use your computer for checking your email, facebook, twitter, etc then maybe a tablet is all you need. Just due to the nature of being a tablet it will never replace a dedicated computer for actual productivity. It's neat to see what can be accomplished with tablets, but often times just because something is possible it doesn't mean it's practical, or ideal. Tablets may very well replace PCs for the crowd that go out and buy a $500 PC from Wal-Mart. For people that actually work with computers, no.

The desktop PC has been "dying" for as long as I can remember. It may no longer be THE PC experience, but it's still there, it's still relevant, and it will be for a long time to come. To think otherwise is kind of silly.

I'm not really sure what the obsession with the death of the PC is. This is probably one of the worst articles I've ever read on Neowin sadly, it's ridiculous.

Amarok said,
The iPad is designed for the casual consumer. If you primarily use your computer for checking your email, facebook, twitter, etc then maybe a tablet is all you need. Just due to the nature of being a tablet it will never replace a dedicated computer for actual productivity. It's neat to see what can be accomplished with tablets, but often times just because something is possible it doesn't mean it's practical, or ideal. Tablets may very well replace PCs for the crowd that go out and buy a $500 PC from Wal-Mart. For people that actually work with computers, no.

The desktop PC has been "dying" for as long as I can remember. It may no longer be THE PC experience, but it's still there, it's still relevant, and it will be for a long time to come. To think otherwise is kind of silly.

I'm not really sure what the obsession with the death of the PC is. This is probably one of the worst articles I've ever read on Neowin sadly, it's ridiculous.


I have to agree here, as I personally have no use for, nor any need for a tablet. Certainly they may have a use for those who are generally unwilling or unable to learn how to use a computer, but for those of us who need to use computers on a daily basis, be it financial, legal, writing or graphics, a computer is going to remain the primary way you do your work. Tablets are great for sales and marketing (show the videos of your latest products), and for some warehouse/production floor operations (inventory control and production schedule maintenance) as well as being the latest 'gee whizz!' toy for the executive suite folks. But you won't see the tablet take over the cubicle space at all.

To me, tablets are nothing more than glorified toys with aspirations to become something better. They won't replace my main computer at work, they won't replace my main computer at home, they won't even replace my netbook on travel (if I'm writing, I want a keyboard, not some touchscreen excuse for a keyboard.) Apple, Samsung, all of the other manufacturers have yet to prove to me that I *need* a tablet, much as they've failed at proving that I need a smartphone.

The key phrase is "...the casual consumer needs." On that basis, which is where the tablet/iPad is focused, Apply could be a threat to the PC. However, for serious business/consumer needs, a laptop/desktop is needed--a TOTALLY different form factor and set of needs and requirements. Microsoft's obsession with their Metro interface is where they could "lose" it to Apple. Where will Windows XP and Windows-7 users migrate??

Hah. Wake me up when web stats show 50%+ of users worldwide using a non-desktop browser... Apple is just one of many players on the mobile market, sure the most innovative perhaps, but still just one of many. I think they take their grandeur a bit too seriously.

MS shown with Windows 8 that PC is actually merging into mobile market ...
tablets and smarthphones will become PC of future
while big desktop machines become only special cases ....

Someone needs to take Steve Jobs and his coffin and shoot it off into space towards a "Black Hole. This way the evil will be confined and would never escape.

quit being an idiot, thanks... you wouldn't even be reading this message without steve... his NeXT machine created something called the "world wide web"... perhaps you've heard of it?

This is all really quite simple when you think about it. In the recent past, what people wanted to do with computers (e.g., their needs) vastly outstripped the computer's capabilities. Very recently, this has changed. Now the opposite is true - the capabilities of computers outstrip what most people want to do with them.

When that happens - there's no reason NOT to sacrifice computing power to gain other things - smaller size, better battery life, etc. So in that sense, the article is correct - many consumers no longer need the power a desktop offers, so they have moved to laptops. I don't think tablets will ever replace laptops completely, because most people need a keyboard at some point - be it for school reports or the family Christmas letter. But I think the general idea that full computers as we know them today will gradually be replaced by laptops with a more scripted experience and tablets is not that far out in left field.

That said, PCs will NOT die. By way of example - PCs have not killed mainframes. Sure, many businesses no longer need the power a mainframe offers - they get by with desktops and laptops - but some do, and therefore they still exist. Similarly, in the not too distant future, many consumers won't need the power a desktop offers - but some will, and so they'll continue to exist.

There will always be users who want / need all the power they can get, and then some. Developers, people who do rendering, and gamers come to mind. PCs will continue to exist because of those folks. But the article may not be far off in that we may, in the coming years, see fewer and fewer "Joe Six Pack" consumers using PCs for their daily needs.

I may be wrong, but I don´t see this happening in the near/middle future. I'm a multimedia designer working for a company with such clients as AXA (the LARGEST insurance compay in the planet), PepsiCo and [u]many[/u] of it's subsidiaries, Nike, Heineken and some VERY LARGE (as in international reach) NGO's. And whenever I need to go to a meeting in their corporate offices, it's impossible for me to see the kind of work they do, be it marketing, profit, operational, actuarial, IT (or whatever you may think of) projections and reports being done in a tablet of any kind. If they are launching a corporate marketing campaign that needs printed materials, a website and two or three videos, then they email me PowerPoint presentations, PDF documents, briefings, reference videos and pictures and much more information that would be a pain in the ass to put together in a tablet. And upgrading thousands of workstations with tablets in such large corporations, as of the near/middle future, would be just ludicrous.

And the same applies to me. I can't work in any kind of tablet. Having Photoshop, Illustrator, PowerPoint, Word, Firefox, Dreamweaver, Flash, an FTP app, AfterEffects, Premiere, Media Encoder and Acrobat (in any combination you might imagine) is impossible in anything else than a desktop computer or a very powerful laptop.

I'm completely aware that I'm part of a minority working force, but still, there are tens if not hundreds of millions that do what I do, as well as another equally numbered bunch of guys that code the back and front ends of what I put in pretty graphics.

Have you ever tried to imagine companies (of which there are thousands) like Pixar, Dreamworks, ILM, Sony Pictures, and the like, as well as all the companies they hire for special fx, when they are editing and post-producing a movie or a TV program, or construction/architectural/industrial bussinesses that make tons of blueprints that have to be rendered in 3D, working in tablets?

Not gonna happen. At least in many, many years. The desktop PC ain't going anywhere, it's too big of a market, and a very profitable one to die any time soon. And I didn't even mention the IT giants like Cisco, Novell, Google, IBM, etc, that rely on very powerful workstations to code what they sell, nor the independent worker that does heavy stuff impossible to do in a tablet.

If i can connect my 3screen to my ipad or android pad and have the power i have from my main desktop in to that, then i will switch but for now heck no my desktop pc beats all pads
Desktop pc's dieing? yeah right THERE MAC pc's maybe....

PC will never die. Also, i think I read that " its happening faster than you think" 3 maybe 4 times before the first picture lol

-written from my iPad

As with all technology it becomes obsolete at some point, however the PC, iMac or Mac Pro will be around for some time, simply as many applications require sizeable power, versatility etc, when will we be able to use something like Adobe Creative Suite, with Premier Pro on multiple screens from a tablet, not really practical. Tablets and Netbooks all have their place for some users, but not for IT pros, serious gamers, graphics, video production etc.

Finally the iPad is very successful to say the least but if apple wants to completely destroy, windows and the PC, imo their prices need to to be drastically reduced and we must be able to build our own devices.

Only my views for what it is worth.

Best Regards to all

Post PC era my a**. Only steve jobs believe that. The hype about tablet will eventually end. When they suddenly find out that they can't even make and print a proper document for work

This is either a paid advert, or a work of an ultimate fanboi.

I am disappointed in neowin. For some time now i found it to be the most objective and reliable source of information from the world of gadgets/computers.

Editorials should be banned. Especially this kind. The kind that is written with an agenda. Since i can see no other point in this.

I am betting that 97% of all the page hits and comments are coming from a pc. Also, the author does not, it seems to me, know what "PC" stands for. I do not know a single person who owns a tablet who also does not own a PC, be it a laptop or even a desktop PC.

When you dock a tablet to a keyboard, what makes it any different than a laptop? especially now when W8 comes? You are just going to have less powerful, but somewhat more portable netbook. It's still a PC. Craning your neck over a tablet and writing anything longer than a couple of sentences is unimaginable to me. Most people will share my opinion on this, i am sure. Maybe tablets will take over some specific uses we have of the PC right now, but they will never replace it.

Slowed growth of PC market means nothing more than maybe the saturation point has been reached, but in no way are many people going to give up a PC entirely. With the advent of ultrabooks/w8 only netbooks are a thing of history.

If anything, it's matter of storage. The most a tablet can offer now is 64GB, which is ridiculous.

Plus, even those rare people who do decide to ditch PC, when they face tennis elbow/neck/whatever, they are going to go back.

Personally, only when a tablet running mainstream OS (khm, windows), able to run yet to be unannounced "Dawn of war III" in full HD, with a wireless output to external monitor and wireless keyboard+mice comes out, will i stop using dedicated laptop. Since that it would make no sense much, because in that case tablet = full PC.

You think voice input will replace the mouse and keyboard? You are aware that apple didn't create voice input and it has been around for years..right?

Voice input has never really been advanced enough to replace anything..the trouble comes when the software struggles over a word that sounds similar to another word. We will always need some kind of manual input.

Voice input will complement the keyboard not completely replace it. Maybe physical keyboards will soon come with a voice input button just like digital keyboards do these days.

You're entitled to your opinion but I think your outlook on the future of computing is uneducated.

if it wasnt steve jobs 24/7 its now nonsense article about how apple will take over the pc ? the day a laptop/macbook or mac based system can offer the same power as a 5ghz i7 2600k running tri sli 580's running metro2033 on tri 30 inch monitors at over 60 fps then I would be interested but right now apple can GTFO. Sick fed up of Jobs and the apple cult. I didnt always feel this way about apple but reading some of the comments jobs left about google and android he was nothing but a total c*nt and now I see apple for what it is.

Looking forward to some real news neowin not this apple sh*te

"Apple, with its App Stores is also creating a unified platform, one that can go anywhere, do anything, as long as Apple says it's ok. In reality, this is one metric Apple is using to help thwart malicious downloads to avoid becoming susceptible in the future to viruses."


this bit ****es me off, "as long as Apple says it's ok", its not to thwart malicious software but to make sure no one uses anything not created by apple, but whats the point in arguing...

I have a home office and run a quad monitor system to do work with, now explain to me how I could fo this with a ipad? I have 2 desktops systems, 1 for work the other for everything else. I have a laptop and hardly ever use it. I can view my desktop pc on my 1080p 61" tv also. Please explain how an underpowered ipad is going to do this for me.

This is rubbish

The desktop PC will not go away, because it will always be the most powerful device - it's as simple as that.

People who pay £600 for a tablet when it's 1/4 of what a desktop PC is are just easily duped by marketing - if they think it can replace a desktop.

It's not "rubbish" at all. I find it amazing how many people around here a completely incapable of looking any further than their own situation. For a lot of users out there the capabilities of any desktop computer are just plain overkill. Right now I'd argue that tablets are still in their infancy but that's something likely to change real fast. It wouldn't surprise me if tablets will soon be more than enough for the majority of people out there.

In all the time Ive been on Neowin I havent seen a so pro Apple fanboy article.


This is a opinion editorial. Not news.

Apple introduce some new ways to do "computing" (if we can say) BUT only prices will tell who will lead into those new ways. I'm sure others will change those new ways or add others in a near future.

It wont ever kill off the desktop or "input devices".
As well for home use...these computers are needed for work and specific tasks that require the mouse and keyboard...I dont think ull ever get the precision with anything but a mouse, unless we turn our screen into a battleship grid... mouse to b3.

"Siri is the future for Apple and they know it. The rollout to the iPhone 4S is only the start of their grand plans. Apple will kill the keyboard and mouse, for most tasks, and replace it with your voice."

Yes, I'm REALLY looking forward to the day when I can write code by saying "if parenthesis open dollar sign variable equals equals dollar sign variable two parenthesis close curly braces open function do underscore something parenthesis semicolon curly braces close" or something.

When tablets get proper haptic feedback then I can see them killing off laptops and when the next generation of consoles arrives I can see them putting the hurt on PC gaming because right now the only things PC games do better are graphics, input (mouse) and modding.

At the moment I'm running a several years old desktop PC but when it finally dies, I might end up getting the 27" iMac. It's about as powerful in the CPU department and by the time my system is gone mobile GPUs will have taken another big speed step.

imho if anything is killing PCs it is the technology: miniaturization with greater power and higher efficiency.

If ARM didn't design those chips, iPad wouldn't work.

Intel's SouthBridge has made lots of people wonder if they still need a dedicated GPU at all in the future. IvyBridge and Haswell later will be even better.

The laptops have always been getting lighter and more powerful. And with the latest micro-architecture their power seriously challenges that of the PCs. In the end, these portable devices are just more convenient to use especially when there's no power trade off anymore.

This article is b*llsh*t. There's no way I can do my business with an iPhone and an iPad. I need a PC - not even a laptop - which I only use when travelling. People who write articles like this seem to forget that not everybody needs to watch a movie or play game when on the road, and seem to forget there's a business world out there that cannot rely on apps, games and whatnot available from Apple's app store.

as the pc killed the tv or the tv killed the radio or the radio killed printed new e.t.c

apple sales less and less of desktop hence the main goal of them is to point that the desktop is dead and the tablet is the future.

A well written article, but strongly disagree with this:

Siri is the future for Apple and they know it. The rollout to the iPhone 4S is only the start of their grand plans. [u]Apple will kill the keyboard and mouse, for most tasks, and replace it with your voice.[/u] Once Apple successfully crowd-sources Siri and implements, implements and implements like hell, Siri will be your future input device, on all platforms.Siri is the future for Apple and they know it. The rollout to the iPhone 4S is only the start of their grand plans. Apple will kill the keyboard and mouse, for most tasks, and replace it with your voice. Once Apple successfully crowd-sources Siri and implements, implements and implements like hell, Siri will be your future input device, on all platforms.

This seems like an exaggeration. There will always be a place for touch based input.

And most people would say that touch-based input would be replaced by motion-detection, and not voice-detection!
Kinect tech/ Holodesk seem like the future to me. This idea seems ridiculous to me, that most of the computer-based interaction would be done by voice in the future!

What about the ginormous and powerful gaming rigs which are desktops. can tablets replace them? and its impossible right now to play hardcore shooting games such as call of duty without a mice and a keyboard.

Mainframes technologies haven't ever been killed, and when the traditional desktop disappears, it will take a company that develops technology, not one that just re-purposes it in cute packages.

Apple only has 1.4 Billion devices to go before it replaces Windows alone, and at the rate they are selling devices, this will happen in about 2030-2040. Try math sometime if you want to see how big and complex an ecosystem is before you explain that it is dying.

In the business world, Apple has no credibility, and with the iPad and iPhone and OS X they have continued to lose credibility. If our corporations had to depend on Apple for security, interoperation, and flexibility, our entire IT infrastructure would crumble.

Sure Apple can 'buy' Siri, but it was developed on a desktop computer. Sure Apple can sell you an iPad, but it was designed on a desktop computer, sure Apple can license processors and memory and GPUs and technology, but they were also designed on desktop computers.

If you seriously think the true technology engineers at Intel or Microsoft are building the next generation hardware technologies with a tiny touch screen and low power iPad, you need to stick your head back in the sand, and repeat to yourself how awesome Apple is, as the facts don't support your claims, and you probably don't want to hear reality.

But hey what do people like me know, we have only been in computer science and shaping technology and theory for the last 25 years, I'm sure you have a lot more insight and capability to see the brilliance of Apple that were are too jaded and ignorant to comprehend. *geesh*

I wonder how people can have so much knowledge and information, yet so little understanding.

I think it's fair to say Apple is only killing it's own PC line. Windows, Linux, BSD, and many other Operating Systems are going to be doing just fine on the PC line.

Zeet said,
I think it's fair to say Apple is only killing it's own PC line. Windows, Linux, BSD, and many other Operating Systems are going to be doing just fine on the PC line.

THIS.
also, apple please stop dictating what we want. not all of us are fans of your gimmicks.

I think what he means is the "PC as we know it" is dying.... ask yourself this hardcore PC'ers... if you could talk to you computer and get it to do the exact same things but
faster, would you? If you could touch your screen and do exact things but faster would you?Ofcourse you would...

and as for PCs being replaced, yes they are... example only even just in my family... all my kids have laptops, and we have 2 computers in the house. Since the Ipad came out, all the kids now have ipads since they do ALL the things KIDS do with computers. I myself too only have 1 main computer now that i rarely go just to play wow and download the odd movie. In my parents case: they had 3 machines in their house. Now only 1 since they bought 1 pad and share it. In my sisters case, they had 2 laptops and a desktop, now the laptops AND their desktop just got replaced by Ipads. And this ONLY just in the family let alone anyone i know outside the family network.

The key i think is for MOST people, the ipad does infact do 100% of what they do. Most people don't photoshop, autocad, or devolop flash programs. Heck, i love the PC but the Ipad is so slick that I would rather just grab that and see if i can find an app to replace whatever i think i need to do on the pc.

rippleman said,
I think what he means is the "PC as we know it" is dying.... ask yourself this hardcore PC'ers... if you could talk to you computer and get it to do the exact same things but
faster, would you? If you could touch your screen and do exact things but faster would you?Ofcourse you would...

and as for PCs being replaced, yes they are... example only even just in my family... all my kids have laptops, and we have 2 computers in the house. Since the Ipad came out, all the kids now have ipads since they do ALL the things KIDS do with computers. I myself too only have 1 main computer now that i rarely go just to play wow and download the odd movie. In my parents case: they had 3 machines in their house. Now only 1 since they bought 1 pad and share it. In my sisters case, they had 2 laptops and a desktop, now the laptops AND their desktop just got replaced by Ipads. And this ONLY just in the family let alone anyone i know outside the family network.

The key i think is for MOST people, the ipad does infact do 100% of what they do. Most people don't photoshop, autocad, or devolop flash programs. Heck, i love the PC but the Ipad is so slick that I would rather just grab that and see if i can find an app to replace whatever i think i need to do on the pc.

I think most people that have ipads have either a pc or mac. For some people it works for others it really doesn't work that well. People who use excel and word for work will not be satisfied with only the ipad. The key thing about the ipad and all ios devices is having a ssd/flash drive and instant on capability is going to happen to pc in the future making a big change. Right now its not a really significant part of the market. having a PC that will turn into tablet will be big.

Edited by Melfster, Oct 22 2011, 7:08am :

rippleman said,
I think what he means is the "PC as we know it" is dying.... ask yourself this hardcore PC'ers... if you could talk to you computer and get it to do the exact same things but
faster, would you? If you could touch your screen and do exact things but faster would you?Ofcourse you would...

and as for PCs being replaced, yes they are... example only even just in my family... all my kids have laptops, and we have 2 computers in the house. Since the Ipad came out, all the kids now have ipads since they do ALL the things KIDS do with computers. I myself too only have 1 main computer now that i rarely go just to play wow and download the odd movie. In my parents case: they had 3 machines in their house. Now only 1 since they bought 1 pad and share it. In my sisters case, they had 2 laptops and a desktop, now the laptops AND their desktop just got replaced by Ipads. And this ONLY just in the family let alone anyone i know outside the family network.

The key i think is for MOST people, the ipad does infact do 100% of what they do. Most people don't photoshop, autocad, or devolop flash programs. Heck, i love the PC but the Ipad is so slick that I would rather just grab that and see if i can find an app to replace whatever i think i need to do on the pc.

Ok, take your first paragraph... We already have this. Siri is horribly dated compared to any serious voice interaction software on a PC, even the built in localized recognition system in Windows is far more functional and advanced.

Computers as we know them will disappear, but the future is not Apple's vision.

This is where idiots that get caught in the 'trendy' marketing fail to realize that there are a lot brighter people working on far more complex things that what Apple is shoving to users.

Apple isn't even a technology company anymore, they have become a hardware vendor that is repackaging technologies from other companies. They didn't design their retinal display, they didn't invent touch screens or multi-touch, they didn't create the smartphone, they haven't design CPUs or GPUs in a long long time.

Microsoft 'known as a software company' is working on technologies that haven changed the world in ways people don't even realize that wouldn't be possible without them.

If you want to 'bet' on a company or vision to move technology forward and away from traditional stand alone computer form factors, Microsoft is where people should be paying attention.

(Have you ever used Sync in a Ford automobile? It is 'old' Microsoft technology from 1998, yet makes Siri look like a toy. Why doesn't Microsoft get any attention for this? Well they designed it apparently 12 years too early

Just like everything Apple has gotten 'raved for', it comes down to them reusing old ideas at a time when hardware is capable of providing it at a reasonable price and they make it cute and call it magical and also give away 10 of 1000s of devices and computers to all the media companies that at one time were 'news' organizations, not information/entertainment companies.

Consumer visibility, Apple is good at... Inventing or creating the ideas behind the products, not so much. There are about 10 good technologies Apple has designed in the past 30 years, and most of them are tiny, like ADB, and Fireware that are no longer even used.

The whole 'Siri' is as revolutionary as the Mac articles popping up on the internet should make anyone with any sense want to scream, as VoiceXML technologies have been around since the 1990s, most were built on Microsoft Voice server technology, and Apps JUST LIKE Siri have existed on PDAs/Smartphones/Android/Windows Mobile for years, going back to Windows Smartphone/PocketPC from 2002, with some 'technology' reviews of its voice abilities and how it will change the world and comparing it back then to StarTrek. It was expensive, the hardware was limiting, and now that this is easy to do, Apple buys a company that was making a VoiceXML interaction App and they are somehow 'brilliant visionaries'... ? WTF.

This stuff is just mind boggling how easily the perception of consumers and the world itself can be manipulated. Derren Brown has nothing on Apple, and he rather impressive.

Of course any market that Apple don't succeed wildly in thanks to a certain competing OS called Windows, they are bound to eventually trash its category so the category they created (tablets) and the market they succeeded in (phones) will sell well. That's why Steve Jobs called computers=trucks. And some fanboys will buy that nonsense too that the PC is dying. Why even MS itself is desperate to turn the PC UI into a phone UI with Windows 8.

I've been an Apple user for years, but when Lion turned my $2000 computer into an iPad, I went out and bought an HP with Windows 7 so I could get work done. I predict that since Stevo is gone, Apple will begin to slide downhill. Apple is already far too focused on producing consumer devices, at the expense of their professional customers. So everyone at Apple is going to continue down this road without anyone like Steve Jobs there to look around and see what's going on around them. Sure consumers and pretentious facebook hugging bloggers will eat their toys up, but those who actually NEED a computer will be buying desktops.

After Windows 8 becomes the new Vista, Microsoft will split windows into mobile and desktop versions and we'll all return to sanity. In the meantime, Windows 7 will work just fine. And I predict the demise of the iPad, long before the end of the desktop PC.

zorpedo said,
I've been an Apple user for years, but when Lion turned my $2000 computer into an iPad, I went out and bought an HP with Windows 7 so I could get work done. I predict that since Stevo is gone, Apple will begin to slide downhill. Apple is already far too focused on producing consumer devices, at the expense of their professional customers. So everyone at Apple is going to continue down this road without anyone like Steve Jobs there to look around and see what's going on around them. Sure consumers and pretentious facebook hugging bloggers will eat their toys up, but those who actually NEED a computer will be buying desktops.

After Windows 8 becomes the new Vista, Microsoft will split windows into mobile and desktop versions and we'll all return to sanity. In the meantime, Windows 7 will work just fine. And I predict the demise of the iPad, long before the end of the desktop PC.

right............. so a control panel that you can use or leave behind made you go and buy a new computer. I think you're making it up

zorpedo said,
I've been an Apple user for years, but when Lion turned my $2000 computer into an iPad, I went out and bought an HP with Windows 7 so I could get work done. I predict that since Stevo is gone, Apple will begin to slide downhill. Apple is already far too focused on producing consumer devices, at the expense of their professional customers. So everyone at Apple is going to continue down this road without anyone like Steve Jobs there to look around and see what's going on around them. Sure consumers and pretentious facebook hugging bloggers will eat their toys up, but those who actually NEED a computer will be buying desktops.

After Windows 8 becomes the new Vista, Microsoft will split windows into mobile and desktop versions and we'll all return to sanity. In the meantime, Windows 7 will work just fine. And I predict the demise of the iPad, long before the end of the desktop PC.

right............. so a control panel that you can use or leave behind made you go and buy a new computer. I think you're making it up

evo_spook said,

right............. so a control panel that you can use or leave behind made you go and buy a new computer. I think you're making it up

.

Me thinks if he would have talked about going from Windows to OS X you would believe it.

I don't usually comment on articles I don't like, but this is too much. How in the world the author claims ONE company and ONE device are killing the desktop? Huh?

It's one thing to make an editorial about the great success the iPad and Apple are enjoying right now and how it can be pushing the development of more powerful tablet/slate devices and desktop-like content creation applications. It's totally bad to approach this topic in the very same way the author just did.

I think tablets/slates are making Notebooks and Netbooks obsolete, not the desktop PC. When these devices come out with more connectivity ports, better audio options and more powerful processors (in this, not counting the Windows ones with Intel Core CPU's right now) then we can begin to talk the dead of the notebook and netbooks, not desktops. That's my opinion of course.

carson2255 said,
This is a massive failure of an article and you sir as a author should be fired...... so much apple fanboyism...

This isn't Apple fanboism, this is an example of what information without understanding yields in an individual.

Sadly, intelligence is far more complex than aggregating information, if it can't be properly applied to the world or used in realistic reasoning, it as worthless an an unopened dictionary.

This type of Article, even Apple engineers would look over and go, "Um, no, this is insane..."

We really need the ability to downvote garbage "articles" like this one.

Someone please bring back the Neowin from about 4 years ago. Crap like this would have never made the front page.

ahhell said,
We really need the ability to downvote garbage "articles" like this one.

Someone please bring back the Neowin from about 4 years ago. Crap like this would have never made the front page.


At least, they should make dislike button for users to be able to show attitude towards an article or ability to give negative or "+1 troll" karma to article author.

Edited by jackkk1, Oct 22 2011, 5:49am :

ahhell said,
We really need the ability to downvote garbage "articles" like this one.

Someone please bring back the Neowin from about 4 years ago. Crap like this would have never made the front page.

Every once in a while Neowin derails and hits a period of crap, but so far has been able to self correct itself. If it doesn't it will die as other sites that have fallen victim to useless information and conflated opinion pieces.

oh no apple fanboys have stopped mourning and returned to internet.... Yea PC is dying, i heard that they all will day tomorrow.

jasonon said,
NOOH! I can't live without my 24" incher!! 2 nice size windows side by side, nothing better

Word. I can't see myself giving up my 24 inch monitor running at 1920 x 1200 for a under powered 10 inch tablet. They are great toys but when work needs to be done I bring out the big guns.

TCA said,
Has anyone noticed that ever since Steve Jobs died there has been an increase in Apple posts?

Apple, and their hardcore fans, need to convince people that without Jobs they can still function. For years people tried their best to convince the world that Apple was Jobs. He saved them from bankruptcy in '96. All ideas were his and his alone. Everything Apple did, Jobs was directly responsible. He was the savior of the world from the evil Gates and co.

Now without him, we need to be convinced that Cook is the spiritual twin of Jobs, that Cook will jump into his shoes and nothing will change. But if Jobs and Apple were so entwined, will they? There will be a few years before we see if Apple's fortunes will continue or decline.

Computer = Work
iPad, iPhone, PS3, Xbox, Wii = Play, Have Fun, and others

There's no way you can get rid of computers, except at home, because you're using this platform to code and design all the rest.

Can't they make their developers build OSX compatible on all PCs I mean i love the feel of OSX but ain't rich enough to buy a mac

bogas04 said,
Can't they make their developers build OSX compatible on all PCs I mean i love the feel of OSX but ain't rich enough to buy a mac

I have the MBA and a hp touch smart laptop... and the using experience on windows 7 is better... thats my opinion. mac osx is just boring for me.

A new Mac is only $599, so they are no longer expensive, you can find used ones for as little as $400! So the old idea that Macs are expensive ended back in 1998.

Macs are feature rich, so you pay a bit more up front, but you don't have to deal with upgrading them, so many people forget that.

benalvino said,
mac osx is just boring for me.

So you're just not a sophisticated user, that's all. Yes, OSX is too powerful for a lot of people, UNIX is for computing professionals, Windows is more for basic people without a lot of needs.

Apple will be long gone before the traditional PC.
Good luck designing on tablets, sure you can mock up ideas on them but getting real work done still needs a good amount of horsepower and screen re-estate.

They said the same thing about pen and pencil back in the day.
...Sketching out ideas in my paper notebook as I read this post.

wetworker said,
Apple will be long gone before the traditional PC.

Hilarious! Apple is the most valuable company on earth, they have $81 Billion in pure cash. Sales are growing 55% every 90 days... They invented the PC, the current Laptop, the current Tablet... they have set all computing trends over the last 35 years, so your comment is naive at best.

I have been using a Tablet, a real one running Office, connected to our Domain etc. etc., for almost ten years and the only thing my tablet replaced....... was my laptop.

There is no substitute for my desktop with two 20" monitors: I have plenty of screen space, row power to play and work and I also have plenty of available space for data.

On my couch? I have something called Media center that allows me to watch movies, browse news and check email on my TV.

I am sure one day there will be huge, floating virtual screens, holographic images etc. etc. but it is something my daughter will enjoy; I am 54 and I do not think I will be around when these technologies will be widely available.

It's crap stories like this, that make me wonder where Neowin gets their 'writers' from.

Desktop computers are going no where. iDevices are NOT taking over the world.

What is the #1 phone operating system? What is the #1 selling desktop operating system?
What is the #1 'build it yourself PVR'? Android. Windows. Windows.
Sure some Governments and businesses are bending to let their employees use iPads and iPhones, but they'll realize soon enough, that their users are doing more 'personal' stuff than 'work' stuff on those devices, and go back to BlackBerries and start using LCARS based tablets ... I predict by 2050 Microsoft will be the number one LCARS OS selling company.

Allan® said,
It's crap stories like this, that make me wonder where Neowin gets their 'writers' from.

+1 it's time to find a new tech news site. Neowin can be renamed "applelovefest" and write column about Jobs returning from the dead.

this article s**ks... How is apple killing the desktop? are you saying they are killing the desktop with their ipad? From my own understanding, desktop is not even meant for homes... Its for offices and cyber cafes etc. how many people you know will buy a laptop and also get a desktop for their homes? Long before the ipad came out the desktop market has been going down. Baseless article.

My beast of a desktop is here to stay, and I mean that. I love everything about my rig, from my keyboard, mouse and monitors, to my heavyweight rig. I love the iPad and my iPhone, but son of a b*tch, my rig is my management platform, using Windows products, and I don't see myself using another means for such customizations and flexibility as I currently have with Windows 7 and my PC.

Screw that idea, "master plans". Siri is cool, but I still want a damn keyboard, virtual or not.

zeke009 said,
Nice piece of FUD, there are areas where the pc will not be surpassed by a tablet. Hit counts low lately?

Nonsense, PC sales are completely collapsing because of the iPad... 99% of the world doesn't need a big, clunky, noisy, slow desktop. They need an iPad. Sure Apple will still make Macs since they are the best built PCs, and are growing six times faster than the old Windows world, but the vast majority of the 7 billion people on earth will choose iPads.

You'll see!

Sigh. I quit reading this crap after the, "massive sex appeal" comment regarding the iPad2.....

The desktop is not going away for a long time. I can one day see an iPad like device with virtual keyboard/hand gesturing mouse for many everyday task though the affordability of such items will remain way out of reach for most. Blah blah....and in typing all this on my iPhone 4s....bit of irony but NO.

marinejld said,
Sigh. I quit reading this crap after the, "massive sex appeal" comment regarding the iPad2.....

yeah, but you have to admit the iPad does have massive sex appeal, the symmetry, incredible speed, ease of use and beautiful screen are sexy for sure. Apple will have 15" 17" versions soon, then everyone here will realize why the desktop PC is basically dead... and not unlike what happened to the mainframe in the 1970's when the Apple ][ crushed them.

PC is not going anywhere. It has raw power. where else will you find a GTX 580 in SLIs? Where else will you find an i7 6-core? Thats right a PC. PC has the best of everything (e.g. graphics, HDD space, CPUs) except portability. That's its only flaw. That's the one flaw I don't mind really because that flaw is the reason I want to come back to my home sweet home. That's also the reason why I enjoy using it. If its portable, I somehow perceive it as less valuable or not worth wasting time with it (especially because of the gaming capability PC has right now)... PC was, is, and forever will be the true King of Power.

SteelToast said,
PC is not going anywhere. It has raw power. where else will you find a GTX 580 in SLIs? Where else will you find an i7 6-core? Thats right a PC. PC has the best of everything (e.g. graphics, HDD space, CPUs) except portability. That's its only flaw. That's the one flaw I don't mind really because that flaw is the reason I want to come back to my home sweet home. That's also the reason why I enjoy using it. If its portable, I somehow perceive it as less valuable or not worth wasting time with it (especially because of the gaming capability PC has right now)... PC was, is, and forever will be the true King of Power.


By PC do you mean Windows, Mac, Linux or something else? I really dislike Windows being called PC, even though it is one. It shouldn't be the only thing to fall under Personal Computer.

Zeet said,

By PC do you mean Windows, Mac, Linux or something else? I really dislike Windows being called PC, even though it is one. It shouldn't be the only thing to fall under Personal Computer.

I think he means either Windows or Linux, well with that set-up a Mac would cost around urm.. 10-15k ? No-one would even buy it, not even the fanboys.

Zeet said,

By PC do you mean Windows, Mac, Linux or something else? I really dislike Windows being called PC, even though it is one. It shouldn't be the only thing to fall under Personal Computer.

I meant Windows and Linux, since a mac is just a pathetic excuse for a PC, hence the reason I don't call it one.

Pardon my hatred for macs, (i just have a hard time using it, those imac mouses are as heavy as a stone )

If you ask me isnt it obvious? I mean apple was the first company who made the PC possible for the consumers like you and me. I am sure they'll be the people killing it with a new era as well. I am sure even though Steve Jobs has passed away he has already set the plans on how to do the assault(killing the pc) as well. It wont happen overnight yes but with time it'll happen for sure within the next decade.

thnok said,
If you ask me isnt it obvious? I mean apple was the first company who made the PC possible for the consumers like you and me.

Nope. Replace Apple with Microsoft here.

simrat said,

Nope. Replace Apple with Microsoft here.

I'm not feeling the reality distortion field, but Apple DID do it first with the Apple II long before Microsoft was a major player.

simrat said,

Nope. Replace Apple with Microsoft here.


But Microsoft's first computer came out in 1985, though it was first announced in 1983. And Apple's computers have been out since 1977. Though I can understand your statement since everyone threw away their paperweight to get something good at the time.

krasch said,

I'm not feeling the reality distortion field, but Apple DID do it first with the Apple II long before Microsoft was a major player.

Even though Apple did it first with their II line etc the PC didn't hit it's stride till IBM and the IBM clones with DOS and later Windows 3.1 made the market what it was. Besides, most of the Apple "computers" were stuff they jacked off of Xerox, let's not forget our tech history here, ok?

You said it yourself - tablets are great for consuming content. Okay fine, they let you consume content on the move, any place you like. But they are far from ergonomical - are we going to have a generation of people with chronic neck problems because they're always craning down to read their iPad?

Sorry but i prefer to consume content on a big desktop monitor any day.

And then there's the flipside of the equation. Who's going to create the content, and how? PC desktop users, that's who. Sensationalistic journalism seems to be the flavour of the month at Neowin now.

Just because tablets become the dominant form of personal computing, doesn't mean we won't have traditional PC's to create content. The simple fact is that most people at the moment consume, save for the occasional photo upload, status update, like or comment.

Simon said,
Just because tablets become the dominant form of personal computing, doesn't mean we won't have traditional PC's to create content.

True.. that's why it is not dying and that's his/her point.

Simon said,
The simple fact is that most people at the moment consume, save for the occasional photo upload, status update, like or comment.

Most people who use PC for only uploading photo will sure have an alternative. But, it won't be just iPad that they will be using.

it's true...I just tried to put OSX (purring kitteh or whatever the f*** it's called now...what lion? okay, throw eggs at me)...and the article was right! It totally destroyed my NTFS partitions...as a matter of fact, my ipod from 2 years ago woke up just last night to inform me that I would be terminated, due to the fact that I didn't buy an iPhone 4ghsaskdlsjf...< all sarcasm....and I haven't charged it (my iPod) since the second day I got it....... (okay, the first part was sarcasm, the part about the iPod was true...what a piece of...wait, there's kids around...my mistake)

Geesh, really? Sounds like ol' Jobs left a few insecurities around as well.... <not sarcasm, and he (jobs) seems a bit egotistical.....like some random high-school chick, that takes thousands of pics of herself, puts them all on facebook, then swears with her life that she's the next bigtime model...but then swears she doesn't take pics of herself with her own phone...when you can clearly see that she photoshopped it.....and then takes all of the credit when someone says, "hey, I saw that pic! awesome job!) pfft, thanks, Neowin, but this is hardly front-page-worthy. I understand that there are neowinians that adore apple products....that's understandable....but dang, my throat's getting raw from having all of this iPress shoved down my throat....geesh!

I don't think I'll give up my desktop machine any time soon, not for the iPad, not for the Samsung Galaxy Tab or any other underpowered, battery hungry, tech gadget.

Actually, the iPad is faster than 90% of desktops or laptops in the world today, so it's clearly you don't know much about computing. And battery life? The iPad's is beyond amazing, it goes for about 20 hours with normal use, 3, 4 days with casual use. So it's clear you don't own one.

Someday you will and see what the excitement is all about... check it out:

apple . com/ipad

Ted Landry said,
Actually, the iPad is faster than 90% of desktops or laptops in the world today, so it's clearly you don't know much about computing. And battery life? The iPad's is beyond amazing, it goes for about 20 hours with normal use, 3, 4 days with casual use. So it's clear you don't own one.

Someday you will and see what the excitement is all about... check it out:

apple . com/ipad

Thanks, but no thanks. What I got right now serves me well for what I use it. With my job and two 5 yo. girls I got all the excitement I can handle.

Almost every blogger i find seems to be going off about this "post-pc" stuff because Steve jobs said so (may he rest in peace). They all seems to forget or maybe some just don't even know that "PC" stands for "Personal Computer/Personal Computing". Therefore, even your phone in your hand = Personal computing. If anything, this is more like Modern PC era because the PC is not tied down at home or work anymore, its constantly moving with you.

ctrl_alt_delete said,
Almost every blogger i find seems to be going off about this "post-pc" stuff because Steve jobs said so (may he rest in peace). They all seems to forget or maybe some just don't even know that "PC" stands for "Personal Computer/Personal Computing". Therefore, even your phone in your hand = Personal computing. If anything, this is more like Modern PC era because the PC is not tied down at home or work anymore, its constantly moving with you.

Exactly. The PC is just moving to a different form.

The PC as we know it, then. The fact is, you can't possibly deny that "personal computing" is moving away from a traditional mouse, keyboard and screen. Up until now, that's been a PC - whether a desktop or a laptop.

Simon said,
you can't possibly deny that "personal computing" is moving away from a traditional mouse, keyboard and screen

Of course we can,..
Traditional PC's with a mouse, keyboard and screen are still dominating and won't be going anywhere soon. You can believe anything you want because of today's news you hear about those new fun toys but this is just the hard truth.

Simon said,
The PC as we know it, then. The fact is, you can't possibly deny that "personal computing" is moving away from a traditional mouse, keyboard and screen. Up until now, that's been a PC - whether a desktop or a laptop.

The PC is still by far the best device for the home IMO. I have a smartphone which I use if I'm watching TV or in another room, but if I'm in the living room there's no question I'll use the PC; its big, it's fast, I can type about five times faster on it and it can do a lot more.

Coi said,

those new fun toys but this is just the hard truth.

funny that the same thing was said about the Macintosh in 1984. that "mouse thing" is a toy, real computer people use "keyboard commands"... Today, everyone uses the Macintosh approach.

jump ahead 5 years and everyone will use the iPad approach... you'll see!

The thing is, it's not just Apple. Take a look at what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox 360 and Kinect. They're making sure the Xbox becomes the defacto entertainment platform by inking deals with content providers. If you've got an option between just a regular PVR and an Xbox along with your TV subscription, you'll pick the Xbox. The Kinect is introducing voice control, video chat - typical Star Trek stuff as well.

The difference is Apple isn't successful in the PC market, so they want to pretend it's irrelevant. Microsoft is doing wonderfully and they'll keep doing what they're good at with it. Given that people can type faster than they can speak - why would people give up keyboards?

If Microsoft keeps that awful new start menu and crap in the desktop version of Windows 8, it will mark the death of the traditional PC...

Xilo said,
If Microsoft keeps that awful new start menu and crap in the desktop version of Windows 8, it will mark the death of the traditional PC...

Not sure if trolling or just that stupid...

Xilo said,
If Microsoft keeps that awful new start menu and crap in the desktop version of Windows 8, it will mark the death of the traditional PC...

The amount of R&D and examination of user feedback that went into that decision is incredible..

At first I thought it was the most stupid decision they made for windows 8, but when I read the explanation it made perfect sense. The vast majority of users use the superbar for launching apps now; we have a bar that can fit like 50+ pinned apps on it, so what's the point in keeping the start menu in its' current form factor? No, they, quite rightly, decided it was a waste of space and that the start button could be much more useful.

It will take some getting used to but its a good decision

Hardcore Til I Die said,

The amount of R&D and examination of user feedback that went into that decision is incredible..

At first I thought it was the most stupid decision they made for windows 8, but when I read the explanation it made perfect sense. The vast majority of users use the superbar for launching apps now; we have a bar that can fit like 50+ pinned apps on it, so what's the point in keeping the start menu in its' current form factor? No, they, quite rightly, decided it was a waste of space and that the start button could be much more useful.

It will take some getting used to but its a good decision


No, it's not. It's one of the worst interfaces I've ever used and makes using the computer a pain in the ass.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

The amount of R&D and examination of user feedback that went into that decision is incredible..

At first I thought it was the most stupid decision they made for windows 8, but when I read the explanation it made perfect sense. The vast majority of users use the superbar for launching apps now; we have a bar that can fit like 50+ pinned apps on it, so what's the point in keeping the start menu in its' current form factor? No, they, quite rightly, decided it was a waste of space and that the start button could be much more useful.

It will take some getting used to but its a good decision


No, it's not. It's one of the worst interfaces I've ever used and makes using the computer a pain in the ass.

Xilo said,

No, it's not. It's one of the worst interfaces I've ever used and makes using the computer a pain in the ass.

So you'd rather have the old start menu back which basically duplicates functionality of the super bar?

What's the point in that... fair enough, suggest changes to the new start screen interface, but the old start menu is pointless.

Xilo said,
If Microsoft keeps that awful new start menu and crap in the desktop version of Windows 8, it will mark the death of the traditional PC...

i agree 100%

Hardcore Til I Die said,

So you'd rather have the old start menu back which basically duplicates functionality of the super bar?

So you suggest that it's possible to create a one size fits all solution…

MFH said,

So you suggest that it's possible to create a one size fits all solution…

The superbar lets you dock all of your most commonly used apps so they're right at your fingertips. The start menu really did duplicate that functionality, but made it more clicks to get to your apps. Most people don't mind having to click a few extra times to get to apps they don't use very often, but for ones they use all the time it's best to be able to reach them as simply as possible. Hence the superbar pinning feature was created.

The legacy start menu and superbar shared the most common feature; launching apps. Thus Microsoft decided to come up with a new use for the start menu, which can only be a good thing.

If you don't like the start screen, just pin all of your favourite apps and you don't have to use it!

MFH said,

So you suggest that it's possible to create a one size fits all solution…

Uhh, Isn't windows UI itself, up to this point a one size fits all solution (before people started to get touch happy)? Isn't the start menu to date a one size fits all solution?

What makes you think the Start screen can't be a one size fits all solution when it's actually done next year?

Xilo said,
If Microsoft keeps that awful new start menu and crap in the desktop version of Windows 8, it will mark the death of the traditional PC...

It will keep it in and no it won't mark the death of the PC, it'll actually boost consumer sales since average people will like it. You're also going off of, at best, and very basic version from a early M3 developer preview build which is missing a number of customization and user features.

Also, even in the dev preview, the start screen works fine with the KB and even the mouse. If you want to tout some sort of power user mojo you might have then you should be perfectly capable of using it with just the KB and getting all your work down without any issue since most of the Win7 KB shortcuts work, and the new ones they've added are listed online for you to learn.

The fact is anything you could do with the start menu you can do with the start screen + it's better for those who use it with a touch device thus it's a bonus in the end.

but it's dying in that less and less people will buy them each year. mainframes are still around too, but when Apple invented the PC industry in 1977, mainframes and minis disappeared from the computing focus. Apple is now killing off PCs since they know they no longer have value for people who like to get things done.
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Sure, you'll still have a few gamers with PCs in 10 years, but 95% of the industry will use iPads of various screen sizes is the point.

When I can upload photos to my iPad, connect my iPad to a 5.1 speaker system, use my iPad to reply to this post, and do actual work on my iPad, then maybe the iPad will be a contender. I'm sorry, but the fact that there's an app for administrating a little router doesn't make it the same as a PC. That makes it the same as a web browser.

- You can get a $15 adapter to hook a camera or an SD card straight into an iPad.
- Stream audio or video over AirPlay to a surround sound system.
- The Neowin website works just fine on an iPad.

Simon said,
- You can get a $15 adapter to hook a camera or an SD card straight into an iPad.
- Stream audio or video over AirPlay to a surround sound system.
- The Neowin website works just fine on an iPad.

You can't work on an iPad. Even the basic stuff like writing would be horrible because of the on screen keyboard and the ergonomic nightmare that tablets are. iPads and tablets are good for consuming content, as stated above. Nothing else. I use my computer for work.

The big loud box... yeah, that may be fading away. But the monitor and keyboard are here to stay. Probably the mouse, too. Yes, touchscreens may become more popular, but I think some people just aren't going to want a smudged up monitor. Besides, it takes more effort to move my hand around the screen than it does to move the mouse.

I predict our phone to become our central computing device. Just set it in a dock and it becomes your PC. Snap it to notebook shell or a tablet shell and take your computer with you. The Droid Bionic has taken some early steps towards that - but we still have a ways to improve.

I think IF anything will replace the desktop it will be virtual reality.. not really Siri and/or an iPad.

no, actually, the iPad will be the replacement for PCs, we already know that... VR is a decade off, but rest assured, Apple will be the first to bring it to the mass market around 20/20.

Hey Brad. Which news article did you get your inspiration from? Doing a google search sure finds a lot of articles based on your editorial....maybe next time someone can post an original article?

Et tu, Neowin?

However, amidst all this drooling drabble is one fundamental truth:

In general, the tablet is great for consuming content, rather than creating it.

Diagnose: chronic patalogic consumerism. Well, no cure for that has proven itself financially viable for mass production, right?

Coi said,

Nobody will notice.

You must have missed the part where the iMac is the number #1 selling desktop computer in the US. Enjoy making an idiot out of yourself much?

.Neo said,

You must have missed the part where the iMac is the number #1 selling desktop computer in the US. Enjoy making an idiot out of yourself much?

Whilst it might be number one in desktop sales (not hard when you only offer two models) it doesn't hold a candle in terms of market-share by OS. Like the iPhone, which is the number one selling smartphone (again, not hard with only one model) it does not have Android's share of the market.

Open Minded said,

Whilst it might be number one in desktop sales (not hard when you only offer two models) it doesn't hold a candle in terms of market-share by OS. Like the iPhone, which is the number one selling smartphone (again, not hard with only one model) it does not have Android's share of the market.


That doesn't change the fact that millions upon millions of people are using a Mac.

.Neo said,

That doesn't change the fact that millions upon millions of people are using a Mac.

And? Weren't you the one who said notebooks/laptops and by extension more mobile devices are eating away at the desktop? So then don't the majority of those people either already have or will just get a MacBook when the iMac is put to rest and not even care? It's not like any iMac already sold will stop working or something. If by your own opinion we're going to a more mobile world then he has a point. In the end no one will really care at all if Apple stops making iMacs.

.Neo said,

That doesn't change the fact that millions upon millions of people are using a Mac.

or the fact Apple sold 4,800,300 Macs in the last 90 days... No other company is even close to that number with that level of a machine.

PC users will point out one poorly made box that beats it slightly in specs, but only a few 1000 were sold, while the vast majority of Windows or Linux PCs are only 40% of what a Mac gives you out of the box.

That's why smart people buy Macs, dumb people buy Windows PCs, and that's been true for decades.

Please, not another 'The Desktop is dead' article.

24" Monitor, 5.1 sound system, and more power than you can shake a power hungry stick at.

My Desktop's not being relegated to the bin any time soon. If i wanted to play with girl's toys i'd buy an iPad.

Walrush said,
Please, not another 'The Desktop is dead' article.

24" Monitor, 5.1 sound system, and more power than you can shake a power hungry stick at.

My Desktop's not being relegated to the bin any time soon. If i wanted to play with girl's toys i'd buy an iPad.

Apple's thought of that.

If you've got a little Apple TV box hooked-up to your giant HDTV, you can wirelessly use that as a display for certain iOS apps.

lunarworks said,

Apple's thought of that.

If you've got a little Apple TV box hooked-up to your giant HDTV, you can wirelessly use that as a display for certain iOS apps.

Microsoft thought of that before Apple did, and in a much better way. Windows Media Center, 4 stream Cable Card, live TV DVR, Blu-Ray, 5.1 surround sound, and 1080p video, all on my giant HDTV. Don't need to pay to Apple to watch TV, I am not limited to 720p, I can stream video if I wish from an online service - for pay, free or "free" (such as with an Amazon Prime account), I can watch better video from disk, I can store videos and music on the device. If I want to stream from another computer I can, but I am not forced to power two different devices. And I can use a real, full featured remote, or with Kinect for motion control. And I can connect my Asus EP121 tablet to the TV through HDMI (wired or wireless) to display all Windows apps.

All for a few $100 more than an ATV, but I get a lot more functionality.

But you're talking about an entirely different thing. lunaworks was talking about using an Apple TV as an external display. You're talking about using a computer to play media on your TV. Entirely, completely different things.

Simon said,
But you're talking about an entirely different thing. lunaworks was talking about using an Apple TV as an external display. You're talking about using a computer to play media on your TV. Entirely, completely different things.

What do you mean as "external display?" he stated he needs to connect it to a TV, just as I need to connect a MC to a TV. A MC is a computer, an ATV is a computer with reduced capability. A MC is just as much an "external display" as an ATV.

Don't like headlines that whore for readership. Not used to this from you guys.

Also, ""This process will not occur overnight, this we know. It will be a long phase that will result in one day a headline stating that tablet sales have now surpassed desktop sales""

Yeah kind of like cell phones, and Tv's. and someday pocket hologram screens projected onto any surface. Pc's aren't going ANYWHERE for a LOOOOOOOOOOONNNNGGGGG time. The ease with which Android surpassed I-Marketshare, should tell you where Apple is headed. And yeah there next big product will be a $2,000 tv that costs $2,000 to fix when it breaks.

How is the headline whoring for readership? I can think of many more that are linkbait such as "The desktop is dead and Apple is bringing the gun" or "Apple gives the desktop the middle finger"

bdsams said,
How is the headline whoring for readership? I can think of many more that are linkbait such as "The desktop is dead and Apple is bringing the gun" or "Apple gives the desktop the middle finger"
So your defense for using a crap title is that you could have used a worse title?

jimmyfal said,
The ease with which Android surpassed I-Marketshare, should tell you where Apple is headed. And yeah there next big product will be a $2,000 tv that costs $2,000 to fix when it breaks.


Overcoming the market share with multiple companies making a device versus one company isn't too hard if both products are good. Apple still dominates in the profit aspect, which is what they aim for. If marketshare was their #1, they wouldn't have it so locked down and would do the same approach Google is doing.

bdsams said,
How is the headline whoring for readership? I can think of many more that are linkbait such as "The desktop is dead and Apple is bringing the gun" or "Apple gives the desktop the middle finger"

well the last one is about as close as you can get to the actual title ;p course the title has nothing to do with the desktop. since when is a PC just a desktop?? always PC vs Mac. not laptop vs ipad. just a generic term. so killing traditional PC is a POS title , but a good headline does grab your attention and thats what it did.

Wolfbane said,
So your defense for using a crap title is that you could have used a worse title?

It's an Op-Ed article... it has the correct sort of title IMHO. If you don't like the content, don't read the site - it's not rocket science.

Chicane-UK said,

It's an Op-Ed article... it has the correct sort of title IMHO. If you don't like the content, don't read the site - it's not rocket science.

Well, it's an opinionated reply, if you don't like his post, don't reply. It's not rocket science.

FWIW I agree that the title is a little banal and kitsch-y. Apple may be trying to converge devices across the board, but that in no way means PC is being outmoded. The PC is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future.

bdsams said,
How is the headline whoring for readership? I can think of many more that are linkbait such as "The desktop is dead and Apple is bringing the gun" or "Apple gives the desktop the middle finger"

Yes, you could have picked one of those. At least it would probably make me laugh.

It would be a long time before Android surpasses the iOS, it's currently 2 iOS devices sold for every 1nAndroid, so don't worry.

As we all know, Android is seen as the "Apple" wannabe, (remember when people still used Windows?) Again, they are over 4 years behind in technology compared to iOS, their products are poorly engineered and the mixed up organization of Google can never provide the excellent experience iPhone, AppleTV, iPad, iPod Touch users enjoy day after day.

We all agree, Android is the "poor mans" Apple device, plus Android is full of advertising and a wonky UI, so sure... you'll still find some people buying them, but everyone who does research, values their time and money will buy the Apple device every time.

willard27 said,
It must be a slow Friday night, with a spare bottle of Jack Daniels.
eh maybe some Smirnoff. haven't' had Whiskey shot since my 21st birthday int 1996. practically evaporated before it hit my stomach.. Vodka can be mixed with anything. must be slow. could get slower if I ended up fighting again with my brother that android nor ubuntu are linux Operating systems. X_X Linux never really was an Operating System like Windows was. apple kinda borrowed some from Linux as far as I knew and Anroid is based on the Kernel hence the controversy over the license. basketcase I could say but depends on what ones definition of OS is I guess.

OgamaWab said,
long live king desktop...

Exactly.

desktops are still not going to fade away anytime soon because they are still the cream of the crop overall as they are the most powerful useful for many things. only thing working against them is they are not portable but other than that they are king.

ThaCrip said,

Exactly.

desktops are still not going to fade away anytime soon because they are still the cream of the crop overall as they are the most powerful useful for many things. only thing working against them is they are not portable but other than that they are king.

How many Joe average consumers really need a powerhouse desktop? The desktop isn't going to vanish overnight for sure, but it will do over time. Becoming something that is predominately used by high end users but I suspect that cloud technologies will eventually render that unnecessary in any case too.

OgamaWab said,
long live king desktop...

True, I hate when people are stating that desktop PC's will die soon. It will still take a long time for people to realize that this is complete rubbish.

This 'prediction' has been around for many years now, and what happened? PC's always survived, and today they're still very dominating, despite all the news about the little fun gadgets coming out today.

People need to realize that PC's still are the best devices for actual business, and therefore it will NOT die.
I mean, go to hell if you think all the office workers want to type their documents on a freaking iPad.

Coi said,

True, I hate when people are stating that desktop PC's will die soon. It will still take a long time for people to realize that this is complete rubbish.

This 'prediction' has been around for many years now, and what happened? PC's always survived, and today they're still very dominating, despite all the news about the little fun gadgets coming out today.

People need to realize that PC's still are the best devices for actual business, and therefore it will NOT die.
I mean, go to hell if you think all the office workers want to type their documents on a freaking iPad.

The consumer market dictates what happens and from sales figures the desktop pc is already in decline.

Also clearly small minded. A lot of offices are converting to slim terminals to save on licenses and running costs, again cloud computing. Time to move on.

ccuk said,

The consumer market dictates what happens and from sales figures the desktop pc is already in decline.

Also clearly small minded. A lot of offices are converting to slim terminals to save on licenses and running costs, again cloud computing. Time to move on.

Insulting me won't work, mate. The sales figures might show that people too stupid to use a PC switch to those new toy gadgets, but the desktop PC will not die, no matter what (you believe).

Coi said,

Insulting me won't work, mate. The sales figures might show that people too stupid to use a PC switch to those new toy gadgets, but the desktop PC will not die, no matter what (you believe).

First of all. I am not your mate.

Second of all nothing in there was personal, I was stating my opinion.

All I see is you flapping your fingers because you are scared about the transition away from traditional PC form factors. Tech is moving faster than you or anyone else outside of the silicon valley are aware. My laptop is X times faster than my desktop PC of several years ago. Inherently tech shrinks and efficiency increases. We see the power of 5 years ago in a form factor half it's size several years later. So why would Joe average want a desktop chewing 300 Watts and taking a foot print of whatever a base station, keyboard and monitor would take when they can have a laptop which does what they need and can be tidied away? Or if all they do is web browse, a tablet?

Your sweeping statements are nonsensical at best, though if you can provide a sensible counter argument I am all ears.

Coi said,

Insulting me won't work, mate. The sales figures might show that people too stupid to use a PC switch to those new toy gadgets, but the desktop PC will not die, no matter what (you believe).

Actually sales figures indicate that Notebooks are galvanising desktop sales and have been doing so since about 2004. Notebooks have consistently increased in sales by a factor of 3 for the past 5 years while Desktop sales have decreased each year over the same time period of notebook growth.

This trend will only get worse as Tablets, Netbooks and Smart Phones eat away at Desktop sales even more.

Apart from just the statistics, personally everyone I know comes to me for an opinion when they want a new computer and they all want the same thing: laptop. 10 out of the last 10 people to ask me what computer to buy asked me specifically about Laptops and they weren't at all interested in buying a desktop. Main reasons where space in the home they didn't want to give up for one when they can take a notebook out of a bag and put it on their dining room table to use.

I love my desktop PC but even I can see that its growth is stagnating to more flexible mobile devices.

Vice said,

This trend will only get worse as Tablets, Netbooks and Smart Phones eat away at Desktop sales even more.

I love how I'm being called small minded while you guys fail to realize that those sales only drop a little bit because of home users buying more mobile devices instead of PC's, but the desktop still won't die because it's still used a LOT more in business.

Coi said,

I love how I'm being called small minded while you guys fail to realize that those sales only drop a little bit because of home users buying more mobile devices instead of PC's, but the desktop still won't die because it's still used a LOT more in business.

And you are completely ignoring what I said about a few years from now many of those businesses will be switching to slim terminals and cloud based services. Read up on Citrix and get back to me.

Even better, Windows 8 Tablet. Now you can have the desktop you have today on a small portible tablet and run all the 1,000's of applications you run today. Including full blown Office and Photo applications.

Duckie37 said,
Even better, Windows 8 Tablet. Now you can have the desktop you have today on a small portible tablet and run all the 1,000's of applications you run today. Including full blown Office and Photo applications.
You can do that today on Windows 7 on a tablet. It has been an enormous failure.

The success or failure of Windows 8 will be the Metro style apps that come (or don't come) to replace the ones already out there.

Simon said,
You can do that today on Windows 7 on a tablet. It has been an enormous failure.

The success or failure of Windows 8 will be the Metro style apps that come (or don't come) to replace the ones already out there.

Windows 7 on a tablet has been a failure not due to the OS, but rather the OS requirements being so power-intensive that battery life on the tablet becomes a serious issue.

With Windows 8 being available for ARMs, this changes everything for the Microsoft camp.

Duckie37 said,
Even better, Windows 8 Tablet. Now you can have the desktop you have today on a small portible tablet and run all the 1,000's of applications you run today. Including full blown Office and Photo applications.

except w8 tablet won't run the current desktop application

Simon said,
You can do that today on Windows 7 on a tablet. It has been an enormous failure.

The success or failure of Windows 8 will be the Metro style apps that come (or don't come) to replace the ones already out there.

Win7 on "tablets" has been held back by the hardware more than the OS itself, the case in point being it's x86 only and battery life isn't great at all. Win8 is on ARM, it'll last as long as the iPad will, i bet on it. Another thing is the newer intel tablet x86 cpu's, when a convertible ultrabook can last 8hr;s or so and can give me the best of both worlds then forget the iPad or any stand alone tablet, i'll jump on a convertible ultrabook in a heartbeat.

krasch said,
Windows 7 on a tablet has been a failure not due to the OS, but rather the OS requirements being so power-intensive that battery life on the tablet becomes a serious issue.

There are an incredible amount of interface elements in Windows 7 that just don't make it suitable to for touch input without the use of a stylus.

but Microsoft currently doesn't have touch versions of those Apps, they are just modified "mouse" or "stylus" based Apps, so they need to entirely rewrite them if they even want to stand a chance up against Apple.

There is no such thing as killing PC. Desktop computer(or if you prefer, home computer) will just become another device in a home among tons of devices. Even, i would say that more PC will be in homes, in different form factor and help with common tasks, take PC + XBOX + Kinect for example.

Enill said,
There is no such thing as killing PC. Desktop computer(or if you prefer, home computer) will just become another device in a home among tons of devices. Even, i would say that more PC will be in homes, in different form factor and help with common tasks, take PC + XBOX + Kinect for example.

i thinks hes talking about moving from mac OS to iOS in the basic design

He talks that users do not need PC to do what they want. There might be more tablet sold in the future than PCs. If tablet becomes a huge market (it's already became), that will could as killing the PC.

Lachlan said,

i thinks hes talking about moving from mac OS to iOS in the basic design

Enill said,
There is no such thing as killing PC. Desktop computer(or if you prefer, home computer) will just become another device in a home among tons of devices. Even, i would say that more PC will be in homes, in different form factor and help with common tasks, take PC + XBOX + Kinect for example.

think we just ran headfirst into an apple fanboy.. zzzz key to this was his assertion the tablet is competing directly with the desktop. It's not, and never was intended to be, at the very least maybe the notebook/laptop as in the tablets that convert to a laptop. ipad might wish it could compete with the laptop but it can't. Let alone the desktop. Not even getting close. Desktops people usually want it bigger. tablet isn't about being bigger. ipad's main target was Netbooks and those are going bye bye in a fast darn hurry and as evidenced on alot of OWS protests. basically competing with smart phones as well. But killing the desktop. nah. desktops might be built int the house someday, but will never kill those off.

Enill said,
There is no such thing as killing PC. Desktop computer(or if you prefer, home computer) will just become another device in a home among tons of devices. Even, i would say that more PC will be in homes, in different form factor and help with common tasks, take PC + XBOX + Kinect for example.

I which I could agree more but when I look at what happen with my PC I think I can relate to this post and the future of computing.

I use to build my own PC - recently my PC died and I just leave it there. I now use MacBook, iPad and my iPhone.

Now if one day my MacBook died - if by than iPad have a powerful tool that allow me to edit my photos I'll get that if not I'll just buy a ultra or MacBook Air - well if Im still happy I still can get a MacBook.

The point is I'll will not build or buy any more new PC - in fact HTPC has died many years ago.

I have not been using - really - using a mouse ever since I got my MacBook which uses multi gesture touch pad. I was thinking to buy an Apple mouse for rememberance (not use) 40 years from now it would be a cool tech of our days but not the future.

"More PC will be at home" in fact was the other way round. EOL is faster than you think.

iOS 5 updates give us so much clues that this post is right in many level.

Kudos

PatrynXX said,

think we just ran headfirst into an apple fanboy.. zzzz key to this was his assertion the tablet is competing directly with the desktop. It's not, and never was intended to be, at the very least maybe the notebook/laptop as in the tablets that convert to a laptop. ipad might wish it could compete with the laptop but it can't. Let alone the desktop. Not even getting close. Desktops people usually want it bigger. tablet isn't about being bigger. ipad's main target was Netbooks and those are going bye bye in a fast darn hurry and as evidenced on alot of OWS protests. basically competing with smart phones as well. But killing the desktop. nah. desktops might be built int the house someday, but will never kill those off.


You have no foresight at all. Several years ago you could have predicted the decline of the desktop PC from the laptop sales alone. People don't want bigger, they want convenient. With a large desktop you have to have a dedicated space for it and this is quite frankly, for most consumers, inconvenient. A tablet or slim laptop however is faster, smaller and future wise I suspect will have more support.

Whether we are looking at an Apple, Microsoft or Google dominated slim form factor computing market is yet to be seen, but it is happening whether you seem to like it or not.

"Let's start with the obvious; the iPad"

yeah try to work on a spreadsheet in one of those for 4 hours straight... like you do on a pc and tell me again how the pc is disappearing

chago12 said,
"Let's start with the obvious; the iPad"

yeah try to work on a spreadsheet in one of those for 4 hours straight... like you do on a pc and tell me again how the pc is disappearing

Yeah, because that's what most people do all day...

Xenomorph said,

Yeah, because that's what most people do all day...

Believe it or not, that's what MOST people who use PC do all day.

Nonsense, the traditional desktop PC is going the way of the mainframe, mini, you just don't see it yet since you are stil using Windows. Apple will have 15" 17" iPads within 3 years, so the days of having a "desk" to hold Apple's old 1977 design of a "PC" are quickly fading. You'll see!