Apple loses exclusive iPhone deal in France

Apple was forced to end exclusive iPhone contract deals with Orange in France. The immediate effect of the contract, which offers the latest iPhone to all of France via Apple and Telecom SA (Orange) will be cancelled by France's competition authority.

This exclusive contract could knock out all rival phones within France, making the iPhone the most popular smartphone in France. Even with O2 selling the iPhone exclusively in the UK, France competition authority had to step in after a complaint was filed in September, from the successful launch of the iPhone and iPhone 3G, by Orange.

Apple has appealed the decision with the French competition authority to once again sell the iPhone exclusively through Orange. If the decision is passed, Apple will begin selling the iPhone shortly after in France. Until the decision is final, the iPhone remains off the shelves in France to all consumers

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Funny, in the Dominican Republic, Apple allowed two separate phone companies to offer the Iphone at the same time. They just launched it a few days ago the same day. Maybe Apple realized people are not buying the Steve Job's mantra; ' I know what is best for you, so shut up and buy it as I say'

Oooooooooooo...iPhone issues in France...
Let me guess whats next... iPod issues in Cuba

Fact:
circa 1983
David Nibs (or Minz or Nims,apple fanatic apparently) at the Comdex PC Expo says (talking about apple being ahead of the times or something regarding a response to PARC and Steve Jobs shinanigans vs Bill Gates and Windows)....
"Mr Jobs knew this was dead technology to them. Outside of being there at the right time, Mr Jobs is still a pioneer in technology."
Audience member (A.M):
"so are you saying he didn't copy everything to develop his core operating system? Networking, basic email, mouse, paperless office and such?"
Nibs:
"I cant speak for him but he took us out of that to what we have today, dont you agree?"
A.M:
"So suing Microsoft for the paperbasket icon isnt absurd?"
Nibs:
"No. that is fully justified. Microsoft stole the concept"

...makes you wonder

atari800 said,
Oooooooooooo...iPhone issues in France...
Let me guess whats next... iPod issues in Cuba

Fact:
circa 1983
David Nibs (or Minz or Nims,apple fanatic apparently) at the Comdex PC Expo says (talking about apple being ahead of the times or something regarding a response to PARC and Steve Jobs shinanigans vs Bill Gates and Windows)....
"Mr Jobs knew this was dead technology to them. Outside of being there at the right time, Mr Jobs is still a pioneer in technology."
Audience member (A.M):
"so are you saying he didn't copy everything to develop his core operating system? Networking, basic email, mouse, paperless office and such?"
Nibs:
"I cant speak for him but he took us out of that to what we have today, dont you agree?"
A.M:
"So suing Microsoft for the paperbasket icon isnt absurd?"
Nibs:
"No. that is fully justified. Microsoft stole the concept"

...makes you wonder

I really don't think anyone cares about the Xerox PARC stories anymore, etc. Technological secrets, like military secrets, are among the most fleeting of all. Technological "theft" is a given. Has been for years. There are daily stories of patent/trademark lawsuits, but these have become almost a faint whisper in everyone's consciousness. We can go accusing everyone of stealing/copying, but that accusation, regardless of who it's leveled by, no longer has teeth. It's all about the implementation of that technology - who managed to hang on to it and make it the most usable, etc. Whatever is in the Windows UI and manages to stay there stands as it is, on its own. Same for OS X. Same for Linux distros.

LTD said,
We can go accusing everyone of stealing/copying, but that accusation, regardless of who it's leveled by, no longer has teeth. It's all about the implementation of that technology - who managed to hang on to it and make it the most usable, etc. Whatever is in the Windows UI and manages to stay there stands as it is, on its own. Same for OS X. Same for Linux distros.

So why do Apple zombies say that Microsoft should be sued for implementing multi-touch even though it was invented in 1982 and Microsoft created Surface long before Apple created iPhone?

RealFduch said,
So why do Apple zombies say that Microsoft should be sued for implementing multi-touch even though it was invented in 1982 and Microsoft created Surface long before Apple created iPhone?

I don't know who these "Apple zombies" are or what they're saying. I'm certainly not saying it.

Good thing. I hope they lose their exclusivity in every country so that more iPhone will be sold and the prices of the companies will be cheaper.

It's at Apple's advantage.

SweetRiverBaynes said,
It's not Neowin's fault Apple made interesting news in the world and Windows is quiet and boring. ::cough:: Windows Mobile 7

No interesting news? How come.
Did neowin post about Windows 7 6956 build? No.
Singularity 2? Hell no!
Important updated RC1 of IE8? No.
WiMax phone with Windows Mobile? No.
etc....

Am I being paranoid or is Neowin slowly turning into an Apple-orientated site? I'm sure I'll get flamed by Mac fanboys (where is LTD btw?) but I liked Neowin as a Windows site, gave me a nice refuge from the Apple hype.

Oh well.

hadouken said,
Am I being paranoid or is Neowin slowly turning into an Apple-orientated site? I'm sure I'll get flamed by Mac fanboys (where is LTD btw?) but I liked Neowin as a Windows site, gave me a nice refuge from the Apple hype.

Oh well. :(


I am not a fanboy on either side of the boat, and the articles I come across are mostly iPhone and Apple related. Those few keywords just attract my eye, and find these articles interesting enough to post.
If you ever find something interesting, Windows related, feel free to submit to news desk!

Yeah, yeah, I'm here. ;)

You really can't swing a dead cat around teh internets without hitting an Apple or Apple-related story. And this is all indicative of the changing tech landscape. Apple is no longer a small bit player, and Linux has seen wider adoption, in no small part due to distros like Ubuntu and penetration into other areas besides.

The upshot of all this is that Neowin has responded, and is becoming a truly cosmopolitan center for all things tech, where Windows, Linux, Apple and other users can all feel at home. It's a very progressive situation. And far from boring.

LTD said,
And this is all indicative of the changing tech landscape. Apple is no longer a small bit player, and Linux has seen wider adoption, in no small part due to distros like Ubuntu and penetration into other areas besides.

No. This and some other emerging trends just show that nowadays shamelessly lying pays off. Damages from lying became too small compared to profits.

I just hope that the election have shaked people a little an made them little less zombifiable.

Well the only problem is that neowin doesn't wear its name accordingly anymore.
"New Windows" by ethymology, isn't the goal of their work anymore. It's a tech-oriented website, period. No such thing as "windows only".

PsykX said,
Well the only problem is that neowin doesn't wear its name accordingly anymore.
"New Windows" by ethymology, isn't the goal of their work anymore. It's a tech-oriented website, period. No such thing as "windows only".

Lets look closely...
Does Neowin have it's own Windows/MacOS/Singularity/etc distribution? No.
Does NeoWin have it's own Linux distriburion? Yes. Even though it's not a linux-oriented website.

They should just rename NeoWin to NeoLin and join the scourge.

RealFduch said,

Lets look closely...
Does Neowin have it's own Windows/MacOS/Singularity/etc distribution? No.
Does NeoWin have it's own Linux distriburion? Yes. Even though it's not a linux-oriented website.

They should just rename NeoWin to NeoLin and join the scourge.

I hope this comment wasn't serious.

I'd like you to tell all of us how it would be even remotely possible for Neowin to come up with its own "Windows distribution" or "MacOS distribution."

The only option, by default, is Linux. And Neowin is a Linux-oriented website, an Apple-oriented website, and a Windows-oriented website. All of the above. But any way you slice it, Neowin still exhibits significant Windows overtones. Windows users naturally outnumber the rest, and accordingly, it shows.

Neowin is also very progressive and inclusive. Which can only mean good things for the community as a whole.

By the way, do you think Neowin shouldn't have a Linux distro of its own?

RealFduch said,
No. This and some other emerging trends just show that nowadays shamelessly lying pays off. Damages from lying became too small compared to profits.

I just hope that the election have shaked people a little an made them little less zombifiable.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that the Apple and Linux communities on Neowin are more robust because of . . . lies? LOL.

OK, thanks for clearing that up guys, I didn't realise Neowin had an Apple section for years, I didn't visit the site for a while and only checked back in recently and notice like a third of all stories were Apple and thought "Huh? Where's the 'win' in 'Neowin' gone? :P".

"LTD"
Neowin is also very progressive and inclusive. Which can only mean good things for the community as a whole.

I guess its good for the generic tech community LTD but that wasn't originally the point of Neowin was it? It was to cater for a specific subsection of that community, as far as I knew anyway. You may come here for general news but I came for Windows news. It's no big deal at the end of the day, I can just ignore Apple stories but I liked Neowin as Windows only. :)

PsykX seems to know what I mean.

LTD said,
What are you talking about? Are you saying that the Apple and Linux communities on Neowin are more robust because of . . . lies? LOL.

Of course I'm not talking about Neowin communities. I'm talking about more global trends.
Let me try to explain (if you have watched "Wag the Dog" you should understand easily):
Imagine some company selling EGA monitors instead of VGA saying that their monitors are the best (obvious lie).
10 years ago the company would be tarred, sued, crushed. It would lose money and reputation.
2 years ago you can do the same thing and not only get profit, but also become known as "the company that's selling best monitors".
Nowadays you can invade other country and claim the opposite. And the world would believe that bull****.

Don't you think people nowadays believe increasingly ridiculous bull****?

RealFduch said,
Of course I'm not talking about Neowin communities. I'm talking about more global trends.
Let me try to explain (if you have watched "Wag the Dog" you should understand easily):
Imagine some company selling EGA monitors instead of VGA saying that their monitors are the best (obvious lie).
10 years ago the company would be tarred, sued, crushed. It would lose money and reputation.
2 years ago you can do the same thing and not only get profit, but also become known as "the company that's selling best monitors".
Nowadays you can invade other country and claim the opposite. And the world would believe that bull****.

Don't you think people nowadays believe increasingly ridiculous bull****?

Yes, sure. I'm not going to argue your point here, I just don't understand what this has to do with Neowin. Or do you mean to say that believing lies seems to be a trend, and that Neowin's various communities growing is also a trend. Though I'm not sure what one has to do with the other.

LTD said,
Yes, sure. I'm not going to argue your point here, I just don't understand what this has to do with Neowin. Or do you mean to say that believing lies seems to be a trend, and that Neowin's various communities growing is also a trend. Though I'm not sure what one has to do with the other.

That comments were an answer to your
LTD said,
You really can't swing a dead cat around teh internets without hitting an Apple or Apple-related story. And this is all indicative of the changing tech landscape. Apple is no longer a small bit player, and Linux has seen wider adoption, in no small part due to distros like Ubuntu and penetration into other areas besides.

I explained my vision of the causes of this "changing tech landscape". Microsoft is the default. People just use it, not worship it. I never see Windows users approaching me and suddenly telling how they are very happy using some piece of Microsoft software or OS. I'd just think they are drugged.
Linux and Mac users are different. They are very vocal and are rather agressive in their often incalled evangelism.
This situation distorts the vision of the "landscape" for other people. When everyone carries their cell phone normally while iPhone owners shove it into everyone else's faces, people start to think that iPhone's usage is very high. Spreading FUD, black PR and lies tilts the "landscape" even more. Once critical mass is reached more and more people succumb to this tilted vision and begin spreading it.

dadan said,
"exclusive iPhone contact deals with Orange"
"This exclusive contact could"

Should be contract ;)

Yea, i noticed that typo before. Be a lot of typos like that recently on the main page articles. Does Neowin spell/grammer/proof check????

techbeck said,

Yea, i noticed that typo before. Be a lot of typos like that recently on the main page articles. Does Neowin spell/grammer/proof check????

If you're making a point of spelling and grammAr then it's probably a good idea to construct your sentence correctly

creamhackered said,
If you're making a point of spelling and grammAr then it's probably a good idea to construct your sentence correctly :)

You forgot the full stop at the end of your sentence.

AJCrowley Esq said,
Good on you France. This exclusivity thing they have with the iPhone is balls.

Agreed. I'm in the UK and have an iPhone 3G and O2 has to be the worst mobile provider that I've ever used. Would much prefer it on Vodafone or Orange.

TCLN Ryster said,
Agreed. I'm in the UK and have an iPhone 3G and O2 has to be the worst mobile provider that I've ever used. Would much prefer it on Vodafone or Orange.

O2 are the best provider I've ever used. No way I'm going back to Vodafone

I favour any company that doesn't rebadge phones with their logos. These days it seems all companies have jumped on this bandwagon. Its worse when they add their own custom theme and don't include the manufactures default.