Apple Maps "potentially life threatening", says Australian police

The police force of the Australian state of Victoria have issued a warning through their news service warning motorists of the supposed dangers of using Apple's iOS 6 mapping service on iPhones. The warning comes because the police had to assist a number of motorists stranded within the  Murray-Sunset National Park in the hot north of the state, with temperatures up to 46°C (114°F) making it a "potentially life threatening issue".

Apparently Apple's iOS 6 Maps positions the regional city of Mildura in the middle of a National Park, as opposed to its actual position 70 km away, causing some motorists - obviously following the directions remarkably carefully - to head off the beaten track. According to the police some people "have been stranded for up to 24 hours without food or water" in the "dangerous terrain", most likely filled with snakes, spiders and other fantastically poisonous Australian creatures.

The Victorian police advise people to use other forms of mapping until Apple decides to correctly position the town of Mildura on the map. We strongly recommend using your eyes while driving, not only to avoid crashing but also to see the large green signs that direct you towards cities and the like.

Source: Victoria Police

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For those who just simply said the lack of use of common sense is more of the issue. I applaud you for such a comment. Jsut realize that you're 100% right and that sadly not 100% of the people on this planet were born with common sense.

LIkely their parents didn't have any either which is why the "apple not falling ot far from the tree" really fits.

I'm always a bit nervous when I'm in an unfamiliar location and having to rely on GPS to get me around, but it hasn't steered me wrong yet. I use Waze though.

Does anyone on this site really even understand how difficult mapping is?

I used to work for a seismic data company. there are a half dozen measuring systems in north america with many revisions each.

If you use the wrong revision on the wrong map, things don't add up.

While I find it funny to fault Apple and their data partners, this is no easy feat to accomplish. I really hope for the sake of the iSheep that the problem gets sorted out, sooner rather than later.

iSheep? More hatred towards those who think for themselves and don't follow the Great Google huh?


deadonthefloor said,
Does anyone on this site really even understand how difficult mapping is?

I used to work for a seismic data company. there are a half dozen measuring systems in north america with many revisions each.

If you use the wrong revision on the wrong map, things don't add up.

While I find it funny to fault Apple and their data partners, this is no easy feat to accomplish. I really hope for the sake of the iSheep that the problem gets sorted out, sooner rather than later.

I love my GPS, but the day it tries to take me off the road is the day I stop obeying it... LMAO

How stupid can people be?

Yes, Very! Just look at the Windows and Android smartphones purchases... Think smart buy Apple!

M_Lyons10 said,
How stupid can people be?

tsitouridis said,
.....Pay so much money for a phone and then get to buy other kind of maps...... really interesting......

There are plenty of free maps apps...

Astra.Xtreme said,

There are plenty of free maps apps...

But thats really not the point is it?
Here let me help you. If I go out and spend $40k for a Lexus and I use the onboard GPS, I expect it to work as it is suppose too. Yes technology somestimes has quirks. But in APple's case, it is quiky because the PRODUCT WASNT EVEN FINISHED WHEN IT WAS RUSHED TO BE RELEASED TO A FULL PRODUCTIOJN DEVICE.

That and....if I pay $800 for a phone that already has what is suppose to be a working solution, I shouldnt need to get anything else. Guess what, by Galaxy S 3 and Galkaxy Note 2, both cost the same as iPhone models on contract. After spending $700 for my Note 2 which has Google Maps, you think I want to spend $79 on a navaigation solution on top of it?

Stop with lame excuses for APple...there are none.

Google Maps cand do the same thing. And any other maps.
I've used Google Maps to trip to a city in my country - Romania. But in paralel I've used also iGo, at a certain point Google Maps has put me in the situation to go on a road wich ended in a forest. iGo told me there is nothing there. But i wanted to test Google Maps - it was the first time i've used. So don't blame only Apple. All products have erors.

Everyone should know by now that Apple's mapping service, even though using Tom Tom data and others, is a much of a failure so far! Common sense should, however, tell you that you should always have a paper map or atlas with you when travelling with such rural area!

The issue is that Apple has used county areas instead of suburbs. For example, instead of routing to the suburb Mildura, it routes to the centre of the Mildura county (council for us Aussies) area.

My advice would be to route to actual street addresses, rather than just a suburb. I've found Apple Maps to be remarkably accurate when doing this.

Lilrich said,
I love how this is reported as Apple being at fault, they use Data from Tom Tom.

Everyone knows Apple is infallible. There must be some logical reason why my Tom Tom GPS seems immune to this issue. I say it's sabotage!

Lilrich said,
I love how this is reported as Apple being at fault, they use Data from Tom Tom.

It's their product so they are responsible for guaranteeing the accuracy of the data they choose to use. Besides, it's my understanding that Apple mix data from a number of sources including Tom Tom.

Lilrich said,
I love how this is reported as Apple being at fault, they use Data from Tom Tom.

Tom Tom has been a GPS company for years now, you'd think they'd know where Mildura is by now?

Tidus4eva said,

Tom Tom has been a GPS company for years now, you'd think they'd know where Mildura is by now?


It's quite possible they do. I know from looking at the maps of my area (as well as searching for my address) that TomTom isn't providing Apple with all the data they have for whatever reason, TomTom knew the name of this road and could find my address years ago, Apple Maps have the road but with no name and can't find my address.

I put Mildura into my IOS6 device to get directions from Melbourne, and really it is like some sick joke, like a hollywood movie where the villan hacks into the president's drivers' GPS to lead him into a trap.

It is only one turnoff wrong between the real Mildura, to the middle of absolute nowhere (No phone signal even on Telstra even for an emergency call).

Ater travelling straight on the main highway for so many kilometers, you could be forgiven for thinking that this is the correct turnoff to get to Mildura and you are now on the home straight, especially if you are not familiar with the area and are just a tourist trying to find a place you have never been before.

There are big green signs everywhere, and Victoria is extremely well signed compared to other states/countries, but there are often multiple routes even from the same direction, so just because there is a big green sign saying go straight ahead, doesn't mean that taking a left and then a right (heading in the same general direction again - north) is necessarily wrong either or is an obvious mistake that anyone would realise (In fact looking at the streetview, there isn't a contradicting sign saying that this direction is NOT Mildura, it is common for the signs to cycle different place names along the same route). By the time you have made it to fake Mildura you are over an hour from anywhere else.

Edited by Simon-, Dec 10 2012, 12:35pm :

"You're navigating it wrong" lol

No seriously , you should never trust these things 100% no matter the brand. Even special forces across the globe that use things like Magellan GPS still use traditional map/ compass to move across ground. These things are to be used as aids not the "be all and end all" in a situation.

Still laugh out loud its Apple tho lol

seanseany said,
"You're navigating it wrong" lol

No seriously , you should never trust these things 100% no matter the brand. Even special forces across the globe that use things like Magellan GPS still use traditional map/ compass to move across ground. These things are to be used as aids not the "be all and end all" in a situation.

Still laugh out loud its Apple tho lol


Exactly. You're still the one driving the car, directions from a GPS or not you should still be paying attention. I had a TomTom try to make me drive on to a highway using the access-road on the wrong side of the highway, had I followed its directions and crashed in to oncoming traffic I doubt "The GPS told me to drive that way" would have been a good excuse for not paying attention to the signs.

Generally, I'd agree with both of you. Common sense above a device's suggestion. But not all situations are the same (as in "turn left into a river" or "turn right into a farm" -- at that point, I obviously understand that something has gone rather wrong). But when the directions given are *not* what you would call "WTF", but just don't get you where they should, it's a problem. I use a GPS for when I don't know how to get somewhere. Maybe there are signs and maybe there are not. If the directions tell me to turn, and there are no obvious hazards or obstacles, and there are no signs, my best guess would be to turn...

Thing is, if I'm not going to have at least *some* faith in my GPS device, then why use it at all? It's like Apple, Google, Microsoft or any other service/device saying "Hey user, go right ahead and use our navigation service/device. Oh and here are those directions to Melbourne. Or Mars. We can't really know for sure now, can we?"

Maybe, just maybe, such services/devices need to take their role a tiny bit more seriously?

seanseany said,
"You're navigating it wrong" lol

No seriously , you should never trust these things 100% no matter the brand. Even special forces across the globe that use things like Magellan GPS still use traditional map/ compass to move across ground. These things are to be used as aids not the "be all and end all" in a situation.

Still laugh out loud its Apple tho lol

Yes these devuices aren't the "be all and end all" as you stated. Here is the problem. If these same idiots were stupid enough to buy the product, then you ahve to expect it is the BE ALL END ALL fot them because they an't do otherwise.

I was a fool twice. I bought an iPhone 4 and 4S. Waste of money both times. Apple has the best apps as far as quality and choice and its sad that its is the only paltform with that for the most part (tho its changing fast). But I personally hated Google Maps on iphone because it didnt offer turn by turn with voice and because the screen is so small you can see nothing anyways. Zooming in always required so much time to make the screen get back to where u are. To much work.

And wrong directions? Theer was a lady who tried to sue Google because Google Maps told her to take a road and she did and she got hit. Problem? Well she was walking and not driving. Questiomn...wven if the maps directed you to a street, why woudl you be walking in the middle of it?

Technology isn't the problem, its the idiots who dont understand how to use it. And for those who think I made that story up...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/197752/Google_GPS.html
Woman Sues Google over Bad Directions Update: It Was Dark

No different than any other GPS software.. TomTom is always turning people into lates/rivers/oceans ( and Apple's Maps is in essence, rebranded TomTom, with Apple adding 3D stuff ).. Likewise Google Maps I've seen set destinations into bodies of water..

A little common sense is all you need.

Breakthrough said,
Hahaha, I think I now know what direction AAPL is going to go when the markets open this morning.

up up up
more iThingys make more $$

deadonthefloor said,

up up up
more iThingys make more $$

-0.50% today, -9.42% over the last 5 days, -19.88% for the last 3 months

"We strongly recommend using your eyes while driving, not only to avoid crashing but also to see the large green signs that direct you towards cities and the like."

psreloaded said,
"We strongly recommend using your eyes while driving, not only to avoid crashing but also to see the large green signs that direct you towards cities and the like."

Also use common sense.

psreloaded said,
"We strongly recommend using your eyes while driving, not only to avoid crashing but also to see the large green signs that direct you towards cities and the like."

If it was only that easy to navigate. I don't know the signs outside of my country (the Netherlands), but many times signs already point people to take a turn when a better route (not having to drive through several cities) is a few turns further.

Not to mention I needed to drive across the country to get into a city that didn't have road maintanence even when the signs said so. Only after following directions by my TomTom I went into the right direction.

The only way to drive safely is knowing the cities you have to drive through and the cities that surround it. With that, and checking your route first with Google Streetview makes driving alot safer.

krazubu said,
Stupidity in general is potentially life threatening

Here's the deal,
I live in South Australia, I have no idea where Mildura is, I have an iPhone using iOS6 and I'm making my way there. I look for the location on my phone and see it sits near a national park. I make tracks relying on my phone map to give me the correct directions and sit back and drive. The phone tells me to turn off, there are signs on the side of the road telling me that Mildura is 50kms away (that's all the signage that is likely to be around), great, I'm close. I turn off towards my destination only to find that my destination is the middle of a damn park. Keep in mind, I've never travelled here before so I don't know ****.

Lost, my destination says it's right here, but no town in sight, I have no water with me because I don't carry water in my car, it's 45C outside and I'm running low on petrol. Is it my stupidity that I followed my phone to the destination that it was pointing to, or my stupidity that I didn't scout the nearby 50km radius searching for a town that doesn't MOVE.

Apple Maps will take years to be as great as Google Maps, and in those years Google Maps is just going to keep getting better. But things as simple as town locations that have been in the same coordinates for hundreds of years should not slip through as a mistake. Those people that get lost, I hope that Apple has the decency to apologise, again, for the problem they caused for these motorists

Tidus4eva said,
....

ok bud.
by commenting on a tech blog, it's assumed you're smart enough to know in Advance that iOS6 has some serious mapping issues.

Secondly, anyone who heads into the outback without checking multiple informations sources falls under krazubu's umbrella comment.

deadonthefloor said,

by commenting on a tech blog, it's assumed you're smart enough to know in Advance that iOS6 has some serious mapping issues.

Yes, we know. Some people may not, hence the public service announcement by the Australian police.

deadonthefloor said,

ok bud.
by commenting on a tech blog, it's assumed you're smart enough to know in Advance that iOS6 has some serious mapping issues.

This comment is full of fail. Every aspect of the phone works...why not the maps? We're paying a crap-load for it anyway (however it is noticeably cheaper in Aussieland for some reason) when you're paying a lot for a "premium" phone, you expect things to work, right off the bat, especially when it has! Don't be ubber useless and implement a new solution to a problem which already had something that worked great.

Get my drift? You can't tell a user "oh yeah guys...sorry about the maps being ****... but just live with it until we fix it kk? kthnxbi".

Tidus4eva said,

Here's the deal,
I live in South Australia, I have no idea where Mildura is, I have an iPhone using iOS6 and I'm making my way there. I look for the location on my phone and see it sits near a national park. I make tracks relying on my phone map to give me the correct directions and sit back and drive. The phone tells me to turn off, there are signs on the side of the road telling me that Mildura is 50kms away (that's all the signage that is likely to be around), great, I'm close. I turn off towards my destination only to find that my destination is the middle of a damn park. Keep in mind, I've never travelled here before so I don't know ****.

Lost, my destination says it's right here, but no town in sight, I have no water with me because I don't carry water in my car, it's 45C outside and I'm running low on petrol. Is it my stupidity that I followed my phone to the destination that it was pointing to, or my stupidity that I didn't scout the nearby 50km radius searching for a town that doesn't MOVE.

Apple Maps will take years to be as great as Google Maps, and in those years Google Maps is just going to keep getting better. But things as simple as town locations that have been in the same coordinates for hundreds of years should not slip through as a mistake. Those people that get lost, I hope that Apple has the decency to apologise, again, for the problem they caused for these motorists

You hit the nail right on the frikkin head. +1Trillion points for actually getting it.,
Here is the biggets issue too. $800 phone, I expect it to work near perfect at that cost. The dropped a perfectly working solution simply not because of Android, but becaus ethere best friend Google, who actually helped iPhone become what it is today is now hated by Apple because they compete with a similar product.

Question for anyone who is sane or who is even an Apple fan. What is it with Steve Jobs and Company that you are their best friend until you compete with a similar product? Friends can't compete?

Here let me place it this way. We have to great homerun hitters that play in the same league and they are best friends off the court. But when on the court we have a job to do. So if I am going for the all-time scoring title and you are too, that means you can't be my friend anymore? STUPID.

Here is where the fans make me sick. Ypou all speak so highly of how great Apple is an how there crap just works. When it doesn't none of you fools stand up for the product you buy. Here is where the other phone makers are better. They dont hold their phone so bt any better than other options. What they do, is when we as end users complain, they work to fix it.

What is APple doing? Well let's check there track reacord:

Ever single model of iPhone and iPad has had the same connection issues with WiFi and even 3G/4G connections.

Since the iPhone 4 and ever model of iPad, items have been arriving with discolored panels that was caused by in most cases the cheap glue use to adhere the panel to the glass.

The iPhone 4 had an apparent antenna issue. Not only did Jobs say the fools were holding the phone wrong. Oh and its the way we've been holding phones since they were invented, but they tried to sell you the fix (the bumper) as a decorative item.

Then they made the 4 and 4S both have glass backs with break on contact with any hard surface when dropped and the corner hits, even from heights of less than 2 feet.

Then Apple releases the iPhone 4S with Siri which was a half working speak software that was quirky. Wasn't tested and was still in BETA. Even Microsoft doesn't release Windows with beta options inside. Windows 7 was to have many options like a new file system. It was OMITTED because it wasnt finished. Only a fool would take a HIGH PRODUCTION product and but beta software on it and have a bunch of sheep just run out an buy it just because it exist.

Then the 5 comes and there is no physical change to design, no offer of real features. They cut out the most used option the phone offers, Google Maps, and they pasted in a half-assed solution that not only doesn't work accurately...it doesn't even offer the features as what it replaced.

Question...how do you remove a timeless feature in the most expensive phone sold today, have it not work, and yet keep the phone the same price?

Yet none of this seems to bother people about Apple. But let this be Microsoft, Google or anyone else and oh here comes the fantasic crowd jumping all over it. Let Samsung have even one problem with their phone and OMG the Apple fans just seem to appear out of thin air.

This is very serious and yet no one is preventing Apple from putting their useless BS on the store shelves. And they have nerve to sue anyone? Seems Apple' priorities are in the wrong place