Apple: The tablet will overthrow the PC, it's just a matter of time

Apple CEO Tim Cook took the stage at Goldman Sachs today and talked about supplier responsibility, iCloud's success and how tablets are going to affect the market. Tim Cook gave his personal thoughts on how he sees tablets being used.

According to The Next Web, Tim Cook was asked if he iPhone market would diminish as the product numbers sold grew, and he began talking about emerging markets, such as China and other countries where the subsidy model doesn't work. Cook said in response to this that "We want to focus on…making the world’s best product…the paramount thing is the product, it is the focus." 

He went on to say that the iPhone is creating a 'halo effect' in developing and emerging markets for their other product lines, such as the Mac, and likewise, the iPad. Cook said that pre-iPhone Mac sales in China were $1.2 billion and are now $22 billion, which is an impressive jump. "The iPad has stood on the shoulders of everything that has come before it."

Cook says that Apple tested the iPad internally before launch, and over time he found that he was completing 80-90% of his daily work tasks on the device. Apparently, this is why he feels the tablet market will eventually outgrow the PC market, saying that he believes it is "only a matter of time." Cook joked that "that’s just my opinion, you’re free not to agree with me." 

He also pointed out that he wasn't predicting the demise of the PC market, saying that both tablets and PC's would benefit from the competition, and that they wouldn't be going away anytime soon.

In response to a question about cheaper, Android tablets, Cook replied that if you take a crappy tablet home "the joy is gone" soon after. "As long as people invent their own stuff, I welcome the competition" he continued, referring to Samsung's ongoing battle with their tablet devices.

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I think this whole fascination with the tablet is being oversold. Sure they are sexy and desirable and have their uses. They are great for consuming content on the move or whilst you're away from your desk.

But, if you plan to sit there and browse web pages for hours on end, or edit/upload photos from your digital camera, or even type some reasonable length emails, then I think you would definitely want to jump on to your computer. Why? It's faster, the screen is bigger, keyboard is full sized, and most importantly it's ergonomic setup is probably correct.

Even if you attach a keyboard dock to a little 10inch tablet, I find it incredibly taxing on your posture to work on such a small keyboard and screen.

Personally, I have a SGS2, a 7.7 Galaxy Tab, and an iPad. If I'm honest, the Galaxy Tab and iPad hardly ever get used and were purchased more to satisfy my gadget craving than anything else. Everything that can be done on the tablet can be done on my SGS2, which just sits in my pocket and is accessible at any time. Then if I need to do something more substantial I jump on to the PC.

When he says PC, which one exactly is he talking about? The desktop PC? The PC composes of many different things, including the tablet.

ok Apple, you be first to show this move, discontinue the iBook's the Mac Pro's and the iMac's and see how it works out

neufuse said,
ok Apple, you be first to show this move, discontinue the iBook's the Mac Pro's and the iMac's and see how it works out

How many times are people going to misquote/misunderstand to prove a non existent point? It makes me wonder how many of you are trolling, not reading the article at all, or just that terrible at reading comprehension. He specifically says that laptops and desktops are not going away anytime soon.

"He also pointed out that he wasn't predicting the demise of the PC market, saying that both tablets and PC's would benefit from the competition, and that they wouldn't be going away anytime soon."

going to guess you don't read very well...

neufuse said,
ok Apple, you be first to show this move, discontinue the iBook's the Mac Pro's and the iMac's and see how it works out

neufuse said,
ok Apple, you be first to show this move, discontinue the iBook's the Mac Pro's and the iMac's and see how it works out

You people need to start reading before posting. Overthrow ≠ replace.

.Neo said,

You people need to start reading before posting. Overthrow ≠ replace.

Overthrowing involves removing something from power with force. In its absence, something else will naturally fill the void (example: overthrowing a government). So replacement would be an end result of the process.

But back on subject, Tim Cook never used the word overthrow. That word was thrown in by a sensationalist Neowin writer.

Yeah, right... Imagine the companies throwing their PCs out and buying iPads instead. Nothing will be able to replace the PC anytime soon; get over it Apple.

Daniel_Pooh said,
Umm can tablet run crysis stupid apple idiots?

Have you considered a thorough reading of the article..... before posting? He did not say desktops will disappear like the dinosaurs......

ummmm, ya your right... crysis is VERY important to 0.001% of computer users that that play it. Not saying its not popular, but hardly an industry wide reason to own a desktop.

Daniel_Pooh said,
Umm can tablet run crysis stupid apple idiots?

"i heard apple was coming out with a cellphone called the Iphone! what kind of name is that?! They are not even in the cell business! Sounds like the reality distortion field at full power out there at apple"
I bet those were your exact words in 2008 as well. Good luck with your predictions.

devHead said,
Wow, sounds like the Reality Distortion Field in still at full power out there at Apple.

rippleman said,

I bet those were your exact words in 2008 as well. Good luck with your predictions.

No, I would never say that just a new item from a company isn't going to do well. But to say something as stupid as their niche-market overpriced tablets are going to make regular PCs obsolete is the height of arrogance or just plain retardation. So yeah, based on that, I'd say their Reality Distortion Field is in full power. Now, if Apple said that the iPhone will replace all other cell phones eventually, that I would say is pretty dumb. Good luck with your Apple love in the coming years.

don't love apple, but do like the ipad and iphone... have competing products as well, not even defending apple, just REALLY dislike peoples HATE to apple for whatever stupid reason they have. And as for future years, I honestly think the future will belong to more and more inovation from companies that are NOT ok with the status quo. If Apple keeps coming out with SOLID products then yes, the near future will still belong to apple.

devHead said,

No, I would never say that just a new item from a company isn't going to do well. But to say something as stupid as their niche-market overpriced tablets are going to make regular PCs obsolete is the height of arrogance or just plain retardation. So yeah, based on that, I'd say their Reality Distortion Field is in full power. Now, if Apple said that the iPhone will replace all other cell phones eventually, that I would say is pretty dumb. Good luck with your Apple love in the coming years.

Mapple hope for this given their desktop share is < 10%. If tablet demand keeps increasing it will lead to more developers and more innovation. All Mapple will counter this with is more lawsuits!!

The form factor of the PC is just changing. You're still going to need to be able to plug in a keyboard and mouse for real work. Putting a document together on a tablet sucks. Tablets will replace laptops. Give me a tablet that I can dock where the dock has a more powerful graphics card and ports for monitor keyboard.

If Cook thinks the tablet will overtake the PC, then the split iOS and Mac OS with iOS having limited function is the wrong LONG term strategy. Windows 8 has gotten the strategy write.

Apple is winning now with it's better short term strategy which if they play their cards right will give them a good position long term. Microsoft is giving them plenty of time with coming to market slowly with Windows 8.

Yeah, just as consoles overthrew the PC, and YouTube overthrew movie theaters, PayPal overthrew banking, phones overthrew gaming handhelds, porn overthrew sex and doom predictions like that during every single fad overthrew common sense.


Only one of the above is right

never heard a single one of the claims you just said

Arthax said,
Yeah, just as consoles overthrew the PC, and YouTube overthrew movie theaters, PayPal overthrew banking, phones overthrew gaming handhelds, porn overthrew sex and doom predictions like that during every single fad overthrew common sense.


Only one of the above is right

Arthax said,

If you are going to compare things, at least use logic.
just as consoles overthrew the PC: there are far more console gamers than there are PC gamers.
YouTube overthrew movie theaters: there are far more views of youtube videos a day than there are ticket sales a day.
PayPal overthrew banking: one has the primary purpose of allowing you to spend money. the other is to save money. illogical statement on your part.
phones overthrew gaming handhelds: phones are gaming hand held devices so they joined that and didn't ever try to overthrow it. if anything, they altered the definition.
porn overthrew sex: now you are just being dumb on purpose

Only one of the above is right

Even if true, it won't be Apple's products. It'll be something standardized that more than one company can produce.

It's like saying socks are going to overthrow shoes. Yes they relate but they serve two different purposes independent form eachother except for one detail. You can't get the full tablet experience without syncing it to a PC. Yes iCloud is there but with limited capacity and home network capability. Certain things I want in the safety of my own home computer as opposed to somebody's server at the mercy of some hacker.

3rd impact said,
..imagining how to render autocad on arm... nope, not happening soon.

It's all a marketing stunt to pump apples stock. Like I said this is like saying socks will overthrow shoes in the near future

3rd impact said,
..imagining how to render autocad on arm... nope, not happening soon.

Yep because he clearly said that desktops and laptops are disappearing soon... wait... no he didn't. Read next time.
"He also pointed out that he wasn't predicting the demise of the PC market, saying that both tablets and PC's would benefit from the competition, and that they wouldn't be going away anytime soon."

That is such a far'fetched headline for this thread. If anything, The PC will dominate by becoming a tablet i.e. Hybrid like such ones that surfaced before and during CES 2012. Say for example the best one yet; The "Levono Ideapad Yoga". Now that is leading edge right there considering you can call it a Hybrid PC. I'd like to say it's a Hybrid Tablet by others perception, but with the purpose it serves and functionality, it displays it perfectly as a "Hybrid PC".

I'm not saying Rome will not be over thrown in the PC kingdom, leaving Tablets to reign, but it'll just split up in a smaller minority and evolve into several aspects of technology.

I like where the next 4 years are going in regards to next gen technology. Windows 8 will give Companies the idea; Windows 8 to innovate past what the standard at this time around and set for a new standard which is true touch friendly technology that Microsoft always wanted for their PC's; especially their passion for touch input like OneNote and others.

That said, It's Microsoft who will be holding the torch for "Originality" opposed to Apple always being in the spotlight for creating technology that's.....for me hard to say.....but caught my eye of interest until others started to manipulate and copy and make products better than those of Apple. Not only will others not copy Apple and invest in making like products better, they'll have the opportunity to be on the side on the curtain Apple has always been on and take the lead with creating new products that I think will be in demand and see Apple following in lines of Touch Technology. Lets just hope Microsoft and the Manufacturers will be able to know create a line for Good PC's and Hardware, but for Gadgets too like Apples products serve. Apple has always been the leader in having the best gadget devices, but as far as limitations goes; hardware wasn't their strong point or other upgrading options like 4G, or wifi/cell signal strength, etc. LOL, Hands down, their camera is a very good piece of what their products are reputable for, but you'd have to give a thanks to Sony and Samsung.

Funny to see how closed minded people are here.... Evolution scare people.... I'll say it again, forget about the iPad, think about Win8 Tablet, add a docking and a keyboard. Now, tell me what you'll NOT be able to do with it? (other than hard-core games or high-end stuff like CAD or BIG photoshop projects). For about 90% of the people, a tablet would be just fine, portable and easy to use.

TruckWEB said,
Funny to see how closed minded people are here.... Evolution scare people.... I'll say it again, forget about the iPad, think about Win8 Tablet, add a docking and a keyboard. Now, tell me what you'll NOT be able to do with it? (other than hard-core games or high-end stuff like CAD or BIG photoshop projects). For about 90% of the people, a tablet would be just fine, portable and easy to use.

Please tell me how is this different from an all-in-one PC with a wireless keyboard and mouse, albeit with inferior processing power and less capable programs?

recursive said,

Please tell me how is this different from an all-in-one PC with a wireless keyboard and mouse, albeit with inferior processing power and less capable programs?


Considering we will soon have quad core processors in our tablets and walmart still sells dual core all in ones as well as the fact that nobody is going to walk around with an all in one tucked under there arm. Imagine a corporate office where the workstation is nothing more than a monitor, keyboard, and maybe a mouse. When you go from your office to a meeting, you detach your tablet and take it with you.

Inferior Processing Power: How much processing power does it take to use the internet and word processing?
Less Capable Programs: One of the most short sighted statements in this thread. Does it not cross anybody's mind that the programs do exactly what they were programmed to do? They are not less capable. They are 100% capable for what they are programmed to do. If they need to do more, the programmers will make them do more. Not a hard or foreign concept here.

recursive said,

Please tell me how is this different from an all-in-one PC with a wireless keyboard and mouse, albeit with inferior processing power and less capable programs?


Well, my all-in-one PC is HUGE, and therefore not portable. Other than that, it's just a 25" version of an awesome tablet.

"Overthrow" is a little too dramatic. If you mean tablets will outsell laptops and desktops in volume, that could easily be a true statement. Tablets will not replace PCs. There are way too many applications that require a lot of keyboard (touch typing) type of data entry that can't be done well on a tablet. Tap, tap, slide, tap... can't replace ten fingers typing on a full-size keyboard. As for non data-entry intensive tasks, tablets could easily supplement PCs.

Apple: The tablet will overthrow the PC, it's just a matter of time

"And you will buy them all from us, because we own the world, mmuuuaaaaahahahaha"

Preposterous Statement!

A few solid reasons why:

- While you hands are near/touching the screen you can't see that part of the screen.
- Typical posture while sitting at a desktop is almost natural, with a tablet/phone you usually have it in one hand while leaning over it or are holding it up letting the blood drain back from your arms.
-Playing Battlefield 3 on a portable sized screen isn't exactly as good as playing it on a 40" screen with decent sound.
-No matter how precise touch screens get they can never substitute for a device that fits around your sausage sized fingers and gives you that satisfying clunk when a key tells you there's no need to re-read what you just typed.
-Smaller has always meant more expensive and while people are happy to pay less for something static and bulkier there will always be a market for it.
-If you have it in your hands, sooner or later you or someone/something else will make you drop it, if you don't pick up your desktop you won't have the same problem.

I have already though of three more but there really is no genuine point to make as they are clearly aiming this comment at shareholders/fund managers with only a basic understanding of computers.

If tablets are going to serve a purpose, it won't be for gaming; at least hard core gaming at that like BF3. I'm not aware of what the Razer Fiona can do in regards to GPU performance, but I will say that the Tablet will serve economical, business, and portability needs to the consumer who doesn't or might not need to game if in some common statistic that they may already have some gaming device else where they own and can always alternate between one device or another. Also look at my example below of what I think will happen in my standalone reply to this thread.

chillipig said,
Preposterous Statement!

A few solid reasons why:

- While you hands are near/touching the screen you can't see that part of the screen.
- Typical posture while sitting at a desktop is almost natural, with a tablet/phone you usually have it in one hand while leaning over it or are holding it up letting the blood drain back from your arms.
-Playing Battlefield 3 on a portable sized screen isn't exactly as good as playing it on a 40" screen with decent sound.
-No matter how precise touch screens get they can never substitute for a device that fits around your sausage sized fingers and gives you that satisfying clunk when a key tells you there's no need to re-read what you just typed.
-Smaller has always meant more expensive and while people are happy to pay less for something static and bulkier there will always be a market for it.
-If you have it in your hands, sooner or later you or someone/something else will make you drop it, if you don't pick up your desktop you won't have the same problem.

I have already though of three more but there really is no genuine point to make as they are clearly aiming this comment at shareholders/fund managers with only a basic understanding of computers.

I think a traditional pc will be a companion to a tablet. I still use my laptop for gaming. Tablets can't replace that since games require higher specs and disk space.. TF2 takes 7gb by itself not to mention all of the other games I have installed. I also can't make powershell scripts on my tablet because there is no way to test them.

No they won't. Tablets are just a kind of big phones...iPad is a big iPod. I just don't see myself doing any remote support from any tablet in our corporate environment...PCs are like rock and roll... there here to stay !!!

support to IT on a tablet is awesomely easy and convenient! get the right program...

Buzz99 said,
No they won't. Tablets are just a kind of big phones...iPad is a big iPod. I just don't see myself doing any remote support from any tablet in our corporate environment...PCs are like rock and roll... there here to stay !!!

They act like desktops and laptops will be a thing of the past. More tablets sold than pc's i guess i can see, but i strongly doubt that most people will just ditch their home computer or laptop for a tablet. Yes. my tablet is nice, and can do a lot of things, but some things you just want a full computer for.

As usual apple heads are talking out their asses. Tablets are there to complement the PC.
I'm a graphic/web designer and although Adobe have their touch apps, which are great so far,they are just too limited when it comes to real work. http://www.adobe.com/products/touchapps.html

Apple have a few months left with their tablet dominance, Enjoy it while you can because Windows 8 tablets are coming.

you're the kind of guy I bet that said "WAIT FOR LINUX 2010!" You are just jupping bandwagons... if it was 2009 you would be saying "screw windows" haters only are hate bandwagon jumpers to what ever is "cool" to hate at the time. If you were TRULY a graphic designer, you would respect Apple for their dominance in the graphics world.

wetworker said,
As usual apple heads are talking out their asses. Tablets are there to complement the PC.
I'm a graphic/web designer and although Adobe have their touch apps, which are great so far,they are just too limited when it comes to real work. http://www.adobe.com/products/touchapps.html

Apple have a few months left with their tablet dominance, Enjoy it while you can because Windows 8 tablets are coming.

Not only are they coming wetworker, but their coming with a keyboard and trackpad. For example youtube the Levono Ideapad Yoga and you'll be absolutely correct in implying that Apple only has so little time of being Rome.

wetworker said,
As usual apple heads are talking out their asses. Tablets are there to complement the PC.
I'm a graphic/web designer and although Adobe have their touch apps, which are great so far,they are just too limited when it comes to real work. http://www.adobe.com/products/touchapps.html

Apple have a few months left with their tablet dominance, Enjoy it while you can because Windows 8 tablets are coming.

rippleman said,
you're the kind of guy I bet that said "WAIT FOR LINUX 2010!" You are just jupping bandwagons... if it was 2009 you would be saying "screw windows" haters only are hate bandwagon jumpers to what ever is "cool" to hate at the time. If you were TRULY a graphic designer, you would respect Apple for their dominance in the graphics world.

Linux would never be successful on the Desktop simply because it has 0 marketing or sales incentive to create a distortion field for it or to get it out into the hands of the general public. Doesn't mean it is not awesomer though.

Im with Apple on this one.
Believe it or not, the majority of computer users out there are not like us on this forum. We are mostly power users that will need a high end laptop or desktop to do our work. The vast majority of users now need just a web browser, a word processor, and a basic video/picture editor. Look at the iPad and Droid tablets, they do all this and with a basic dock and keyboard everyone will be happy

My work brought me an iPad to develop software for. I've tried to be productive on it, but have found it largely useless for anything other than browsing the web (for which it's merely functional) and playing games, and even then the games I want to play suck using a touch screen.

The problems I have with it don't apply just to the iPad, but tablets in general.

So it shan't be replacing a traditional computer for me.

virtorio said,
My work brought me an iPad to develop software for. I've tried to be productive on it, but have found it largely useless for anything other than browsing the web (for which it's merely functional) and playing games, and even then the games I want to play suck using a touch screen.

The problems I have with it don't apply just to the iPad, but tablets in general.

So it shan't be replacing a traditional computer for me.

Wait what? How would you even do that? What sort of tools other than a text editor exist for writing code on an iPad? I'm merely curious please enlighten me..

recursive said,

Wait what? How would you even do that? What sort of tools other than a text editor exist for writing code on an iPad? I'm merely curious please enlighten me..


"My work brought me an iPad to develop software for."
He is developing for it, not on it.

ILikeTobacco said,

"My work brought me an iPad to develop software for."
He is developing for it, not on it.

Oh oh I see he said "I've tried to be productive on it" and I thought he was actually programming on the damn thing. Curious what he is developing for it thought, if he finds it "largely useless".

MDboyz said,
Maybe Apple doesn't understand real games are not like Angry Birds ... etc ...

One thing they do understand is markets which you are forgetting. The "real games" are now mostly played on consoles, not PC's. PC's can play games at much higher quality but the quality of games is now being dictated by the consoles and what they can handle. Game companies are going to continue to move away from caring about the PC world as much because its the smaller market. The money is in consoles.

Tablets MAY overthrow netbooks. But NOT PC's a tablet just doesn't have the same raw power and awesomeness as a full tower PC. Apple you gotta step off your high horse.. seriously.

hotdog963al said,
Which machine would you parents most likely go for... a high spec gaming rig or a tablet they can sit on the sofa with? Hmmmm.
It depends on what they're trying to do. And you really don't need a gaming rig desktop/laptop to do that. I've a laptop with ULV dual core that can run for about 8 hours on a single charge. It costs about the same as an iPad. I find the iPad (or any tablet) to be fatiguing for extended usage.

I agree with you there, I hate tablets, but you have to admit that lots of casual users will opt for tablets over laptops just due to the form factor.

I think The only reason PC market slowed down is because after vista that there was a hardware upgrade jump, it slowed down that Windows 7 is literally uses less resources than vista. people use their windows xp hardware and install windows 7 without any problem. ipad and infact all tablets should be considered as gaming device plus occasional e-readers because I am seeing people only play angry birds and watch TV with those things.

After having even a Motorola Xoom, I'd say your right. It was a pleasure having a gadget like a tablet and it wasn't very functional even with the programs I liked to use. I'm just hoping it'll change with Windows and and the Manufactures who are behind them to create touch friendly hardware.

S3P€hR said,
I think The only reason PC market slowed down is because after vista that there was a hardware upgrade jump, it slowed down that Windows 7 is literally uses less resources than vista. people use their windows xp hardware and install windows 7 without any problem. ipad and infact all tablets should be considered as gaming device plus occasional e-readers because I am seeing people only play angry birds and watch TV with those things.

S3P€hR said,
I think The only reason PC market slowed down is because after vista that there was a hardware upgrade jump, it slowed down that Windows 7 is literally uses less resources than vista. people use their windows xp hardware and install windows 7 without any problem. ipad and infact all tablets should be considered as gaming device plus occasional e-readers because I am seeing people only play angry birds and watch TV with those things.

Agreed - I know many people who have upgraded form Windows Vista to Windows 7m, upped the memory to 4GB and it is like having a whole new computer. The upgrade treadmill has pretty much slowed down so I wouldn't be surprised if we see some further consolidation in the computer industry by the big OEM's.

I'm on a Mac but if I owned a top of the line Windows 7 circa 2011 computer and if Windows 8 shapes up as efficient as many have said then the need to upgrade pretty much becomes moot - I'll keep pushing it for another 4 years. Ever since Sandy Bridge the real push for upgrading pretty much has slowed down especially when one takes into account the universality of 64bit CPU's these days.

just like most things "highend", only a small minority caters to that segment.

examples:
Not everyone needs a 600 hP dragster to go buy some groceries
Not everyone needs a full stocked $20,000 garage tools to change their oil
Not everyone needs a 100 foot theater to watch a couple movies with their family
Not everyone needs a bottle of 100 year old scotch to drunk with their buddies.

and on and on and on....

rippleman said,
just like most things "highend", only a small minority caters to that segment.

examples:
Not everyone needs a 600 hP dragster to go buy some groceries
Not everyone needs a full stocked $20,000 garage tools to change their oil
Not everyone needs a 100 foot theater to watch a couple movies with their family
Not everyone needs a bottle of 100 year old scotch to drunk with their buddies.

and on and on and on....

Yet on the same vein....the gamers outnumber normal users.

texasghost said,

Yet on the same vein....the gamers outnumber normal users.


Gamers and corporate users... Generally people that actually do work.

i VERY MUCH doubt gamers out number standard pc users... i have no numbers to quote, but guessing 10-1

texasghost said,

Yet on the same vein....the gamers outnumber normal users.

rippleman said,
i VERY MUCH doubt gamers out number standard pc users... i have no numbers to quote, but guessing 10-1

Name anyone you know personally or professionally that does not have either an X-box, Wii, or Playstation.

texasghost said,

Name anyone you know personally or professionally that does not have either an X-box, Wii, or Playstation.

Good job disproving your own point. If you have any of those devices, you no longer need a PC to play games so you can do everything else on a tablet.

I agree that tablet use and sales will be stronger that PC use and sales in short order. It just makes sense because most people use PCs for web and email, things that the tablet does quite well.

Glen said,
I agree that tablet use and sales will be stronger that PC use and sales in short order. It just makes sense because most people use PCs for web and email, things that the tablet does quite well.

still if those people try to do serious stuff rather than playing angry birds and surfing the web they will turn on their pcs.

S3P€hR said,

still if those people try to do serious stuff rather than playing angry birds and surfing the web they will turn on their pcs.

And by serious stuff you mean? Lets forget about the iPad and instead think of Windows 8 tablet, a docking and a keyboard. What CAN'T you do with that? Other than hard-core game or very high-end stuff? You'll be able to do everything else with a tablet like that.

TruckWEB said,

And by serious stuff you mean? Lets forget about the iPad and instead think of Windows 8 tablet, a docking and a keyboard. What CAN'T you do with that? Other than hard-core game or very high-end stuff? You'll be able to do everything else with a tablet like that.


That's true. And this will might be problematic for Apple. Dangerous time to own Apple stock. If Windows 8 is successful, it's going to hit them hard.

Consumption, creation. They won't even look like IPADS in the next iteratiion. Enjoy this now, because it will just be a hologram in the air sooner than you think.

Wait now, aside from gamer (and other HIGH end users), WHO needs more than a Windows 8 x86 tablet with a nice dock and keyboard? And I bet you that those dock will let you connect a bigger screen or let you use your big HDTV.

So, will we need a real desktop PC???

TruckWEB said,
Wait now, aside from gamer (and other HIGH end users), WHO needs more than a Windows 8 x86 tablet with a nice dock and keyboard? And I bet you that those dock will let you connect a bigger screen or let you use your big HDTV.

So, will we need a real desktop PC???


Exactly. And like the awesome Samsung Series 7 Slate, the dock does indeed let you connect it to a bigger screen.

A tablet will never have the ability to stick high end and high performance peripherals and processing.

Until they can make a processor and motherboard that is super fast and can fit into a tablet...tower PCs will always be in demand.

Cause last time I checked...You can't fit an Asus Rampage IV in any tablet yet.

texasghost said,
Cause last time I checked...You can't fit an Asus Rampage IV in any tablet yet.

I doubt that the majority of people need "high end and high performance peripherals and processing". Considering the things most people use their desktops for, I'd say that a tablet would also suffice. Last time I checked, not everyone cares about having an Asus Rampage IV.

Manish said,

I doubt that the majority of people need "high end and high performance peripherals and processing". Considering the things most people use their desktops for, I'd say that a tablet would also suffice. Last time I checked, not everyone cares about having an Asus Rampage IV.

I never said anything about everyone caring. Just the people that need that kind of performance.

texasghost said,
Just the people that need that kind of performance.

And I'm just saying that those people do not make up the majority. I reckon most average consumers could make do with a tablet, and even businesses are trialling iPads and other tablet devices. With Windows 8 on the horizon, tablets could start to overthrow traditional desktop PCs.

apple hate is strong with neowin.... Like the article says, for most people (including myself) 80-90% of what i do can be done on my Ipad.... I personally still need a desktop... but i know my dad, mom, my kids etc don't need anything BUT an Ipad... what most people here forget is this is a computer tech website. OBVIOUSLY the forums will hate devices like the Ipad since its not a techie device open for customization and tweaking. (same reason why most on this site have apple hate because they are locked out)

rippleman said,
apple hate is strong with neowin....

Ahhh yes, the "you H4T0rz" Apple fan argument. Every day we get people on NeoWin bashing Microsoft for anything and everything. But dare say anything that contradicts the official Apple party line, or does not portray Apple with the little halo of perfection, and you are full of hate, angry, a moron, etc. etc. etc.

Here is the Apple CEO telling us that we will all eventually switch to a tablet, and no doubt, in his eyes, the tablet that will be used is the iPad. People object, knowing that a tablet will not fulfill their needs, and you are proclaiming they hate. Who is Cook to say what I, or any one else for that matter, need in a computer? And to proclaim that we hate, just by saying that we disagree with him, is just childish. If we were to immediately label anyone who were to give their opinion that was anti-Microsoft, anti-Dell, anti-HP, anti-... then the h, a, t, and e letters would have worn off my keyboard long ago.

For personal use.. most likely. Although not the iPad, something more affordable. It's still cheaper to buy a decent PC than it is to buy an iPad.

For business/professional use.. no way.

Hardcore Til I Die said,
For personal use.. most likely. Although not the iPad, something more affordable. It's still cheaper to buy a decent PC than it is to buy an iPad.

You've only considered price there. I can't, for example, haul a "decent PC" (by which, I'm assuming you meant a desktop) to my couch for some quick web surfing and a check of my emails. Convenience and simplicity are also important factors to consider. I wouldn't mind recommending a £399 iPad over a similarly priced desktop to someone who wanted a PC device for casual, personal use.

Also, there aren't many successful, well-designed tablets that are much cheaper than the iPad.

if you watch bbc in the uk, most of the shows are using an ipad especially mi5, holby city, etc.... the ipad is a good investment but do not expect to do huge things with it. common sense dictates this to most educated people.

Hardcore Til I Die said,
For personal use.. most likely. Although not the iPad, something more affordable. It's still cheaper to buy a decent PC than it is to buy an iPad.

For business/professional use.. no way.

PC will remain for enthusiasts and professionals, most casual surfers will use tablets and smartphones - It's already headed this way. Apple need to go bankrupt and stay bankrupt though, I really despise their marketing and gimmicks. Yes, I use their software/hardware at work for testing and it's not great stuff.

It is part of Marketing. Tablet will never replace PC simply because Tablet can't pack enough power PC has which has its purpose in high demanding applications and games. And again some things on Tablets are not productive.

So does Apple admits that Tablet is not a PC unlike some other companies?

Tablets are great for middle-management positions and as toys. Otherwise no. If Apple thinks that Tablets are going to replace traditional PCs and Laptops and invest in them as such ... they're doomed. Plain and simple. Apple, as a company that's traditionally been loved by professionals in the design industry should realize that Tablets are almost completely worthless in said industry as well as many others. Even for just browsing the web the only time that I find myself using my tablet or smartphone over a traditional PC is when I'm on the go or I'm just being lazy, not because it's "better" (It's not.)

I was using my iPad one day on my couch. I was going to make a forum post on Neowin. So then with the tablet I had to log on. Then as I was typing I had to correct a mistake....

Moral of the story is, if I hadn't paid over $400 for it I would have thrown it against the wall. So I went down and used my desktop and had it done in about a minute or so.

Tablets have a lot of good things going for them, it's to bad productivity isn't one of them.

sounds like an anger issue

warwagon said,
I was using my iPad one day on my couch. I was going to make a forum post on Neowin. So then with the tablet I had to log on. Then as I was typing I had to correct a mistake....

Moral of the story is, if I hadn't paid over $400 for it I would have thrown it against the wall. So I went down and used my desktop and had it done in about a minute or so.

Tablets have a lot of good things going for them, it's to bad productivity isn't one of them.

warwagon said,
I was using my iPad one day on my couch. I was going to make a forum post on Neowin. So then with the tablet I had to log on. Then as I was typing I had to correct a mistake....

Moral of the story is, if I hadn't paid over $400 for it I would have thrown it against the wall. So I went down and used my desktop and had it done in about a minute or so.

Tablets have a lot of good things going for them, it's to bad productivity isn't one of them.

So you had to login ! Which you would have had to do on your desktop at some point, and then you made a typing error, shock horror.

warwagon said,
I was using my iPad one day on my couch. I was going to make a forum post on Neowin. So then with the tablet I had to log on. Then as I was typing I had to correct a mistake....

Did you use the ellipsis before actually mentioning your point? Otherwise it just sounds ridiculous for a grown man to get angry at having to log on to a site and correct a spelling mistake on a tablet, especially considering that these "issues" could've occurred just as easily on pretty much any PC form factor. Though the desktop may be king of productivity when it comes to PCs, this was an incredibly poor attempt at trying to illustrate that.

By the way, you meant "too bad", not "to bad". Try and resist the urge to destroy your several hundred dollar desktop.

Tell you what, I'm getting more out of my Lenovo X220t than I ever got out of the iPad. And with Windows 8 on the horizon, I'm sure I'm going to have even more things to do with it.

srprimeaux said,
Tell you what, I'm getting more out of my Lenovo X220t than I ever got out of the iPad. And with Windows 8 on the horizon, I'm sure I'm going to have even more things to do with it.

That laptop made me fall in love with a Lenovo.

Owen W said,

That laptop made me fall in love with a Lenovo.

know what you mean, just aquired an X201S as my work mobile workstation in IT and im converted......looks like sh** but its robust and takes knocks in its stride. Lenevo/IBM thinkpads wernt/arnt gonna win beauty awards but pretty stable, well built and rugged.

NinjaGinger said,
Can Ipads run everything a PC can? Starry Nights Pro, Avid Studio, etc etc.

But what % of the population need programs likes that on a daily basis or ever? Much easier to use a tablet on a daily basis and fall back to a PC when or if they are needed.

thealexweb said,

But what % of the population need programs likes that on a daily basis or ever? Much easier to use a tablet on a daily basis and fall back to a PC when or if they are needed.

Agreed, but most people should have a PC capable of running software, and actually learning how the device works. Apple is essentially making products for idiots.

i recently purchased my mini mac and i am more than happy with it. small footprint, quite and sort of sleek. i also just got my iphone 4s. i am getting bored with big computers because now i feel there is no need for them anymore unless you are hosting a server but even mini mac has a server version.

Breakthrough said,

Agreed, but most people should have a PC capable of running software, and actually learning how the device works. Apple is essentially making products for idiots.

thealexweb said,

But what % of the population need programs likes that on a daily basis or ever? Much easier to use a tablet on a daily basis and fall back to a PC when or if they are needed.


You say that, and say "but I'm a geek, the average joe doesn't do stuff like that" (not you specifically, but many people). the problem is, that's just false. my gf's mom, who doesn't know a thing about computers and doesn't understand why her 8 year old Thinkpad doesn't work as well as her husband's brand new mac, uses Photoshop Elements. My dad uses iMovie, but I'm pretty sure he'd hate trying to use it on the iPad. The tablet generation is better for people like your pop or grandma, but even the baby-boomers are getting into technology.

He may already be right if he's only talking about Apple products. i.e. The iPad will overthrow Macs, it's just a matter of time. He may also be right if by "overthrow" he means "outsell". However if he means that desktops and laptaps are going to go away completely as a result of tablets then that's absurd.

Asmodai said,
However if he means that desktops and laptaps are going to go away completely as a result of tablets then that's absurd.

Try reading the article next time mmmmk?
"He also pointed out that he wasn't predicting the demise of the PC market, saying that both tablets and PC's would benefit from the competition, and that they wouldn't be going away anytime soon."

Well, if he is implying that Windows 8 tablets will sell a lot - then I think he is right. I personally see it as a suplement.

When a source that doesn't benefit from such a future says the same, I'll give it more thought. Until then, it's just Apple selling it's products.

Xenosion said,
When a source that doesn't benefit from such a future says the same, I'll give it more thought. Until then, it's just Apple selling it's products.
I like that statement, very true.

belto said,
my only problem with the ipad is support for flash, it is a minor inconvenience but oh well.

Na. We won't need it at all in a few years. The Open Web Platform will soon be able to do everything Flash can do.

belto said,
my only problem with the ipad is support for flash, it is a minor inconvenience but oh well.

Since everyone else is abandoning Flash on mobile platforms as well I think that things will adapt relatively quickly.

Won't happen. A tablet is just way too limited to ever be fully productive in the business world where a physical file system is required. I could never do design work on a tablet since the precision of a mouse is absolutely necessary. Writing code isn't convenient on anything less than a dual monitor setup with a physical keyboard, so doing so on a 10" touch screen would be a nightmare. When I'm on the road, I now bring my iPad instead of my laptop, but only because most of the time I'm just checking email or doing simple tasks that can be done with a finger (giggity). Not to mention, gaming on a tablet is just shameful. A keyboard and mouse (or controller) is a must. Maybe tablets will interface with keyboards and mice down the road, but at that point, it wouldn't be much of a true tablet anymore.

It's a good thought, but you can only do so much on a 2 dimensional surface.

Astra.Xtreme said,
Won't happen. A tablet is just way too limited to ever be fully productive in the business world where a physical file system is required. I could never do design work on a tablet since the precision of a mouse is absolutely necessary. Writing code isn't convenient on anything less than a dual monitor setup with a physical keyboard, so doing so on a 10" touch screen would be a nightmare. When I'm on the road, I now bring my iPad instead of my laptop, but only because most of the time I'm just checking email or doing simple tasks that can be done with a finger (giggity). Not to mention, gaming on a tablet is just shameful. A keyboard and mouse (or controller) is a must. Maybe tablets will interface with keyboards and mice down the road, but at that point, it wouldn't be much of a true tablet anymore.

It's a good thought, but you can only do so much on a 2 dimensional surface.

Enter Windows 8 x86. Ease of use of a tablet with the Metro UI, power of the desktop one click away. Just needs Microsoft to execute.

efjay said,

Enter Windows 8 x86. Ease of use of a tablet with the Metro UI, power of the desktop one click away. Just needs Microsoft to execute.

I'm all for it if they can pull it off. But in the end, it's still a tablet, and that chassis is just physically limiting. The OS is negligible.

Astra.Xtreme said,

I'm all for it if they can pull it off. But in the end, it's still a tablet, and that chassis is just physically limiting. The OS is negligible.


Not if you can dock your tablet to use a real keyboard and house, and even secondary external monitors.

rfirth said,

Not if you can dock your tablet to use a real keyboard and house, and even secondary external monitors.

Yep, then you basically have an underpowered laptop.

Your needs are very much a niche. For 95% of PC users today, a tablet would suffice.

I'm not saying PC's are going to disappear overnight, I quite like mine too, but the reality is we, and most of the people on this site are in a niche category - we are not the majority.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Yep, then you basically have an underpowered laptop.

Maybe with todays tech, but with tomorrows prob not, quad cores are here already, and win8 designed to use arm CPUs everything except gaming should be covered

mulligan2k said,

Maybe with todays tech, but with tomorrows prob not, quad cores are here already, and win8 designed to use arm CPUs everything except gaming should be covered

Sure, but laptops and desktops will keep moving forward too and will remain 5 or 10 steps ahead.

rfirth said,

Not if you can dock your tablet to use a real keyboard and house, and even secondary external monitors.

Why is everybody talking about detachable/ BT keyboards? My old Toshiba M400 Tablet, a convertible one, has a keyboard; my previous Tablets had it too.
IMO a lot of people are confused understanding the differences between a "Real" Tablet PC and these Apple and clones "Media" Tablets devices.........

No, it won't.
It's not possibly to know if you've made a mistake on a tablet whilst typing at a fast speed, so programmers and fast touch-typists are out already.
I use an ipod whilst out for casual browsing, but would never use it for anything more than that, if tablets were to overthrow PCs I'd quit computing for good and become a cook or something.

n_K said,
No, it won't.
It's not possibly to know if you've made a mistake on a tablet whilst typing at a fast speed, so programmers and fast touch-typists are out already.
I use an ipod whilst out for casual browsing, but would never use it for anything more than that, if tablets were to overthrow PCs I'd quit computing for good and become a cook or something.

Get the bluetooth keyboard and dock then, that'll please them. You're forgetting about accessories.

Owen W said,

Get the bluetooth keyboard and dock then, that'll please them. You're forgetting about accessories.

And your forgetting about Windows 8!

n_K said,
No, it won't.
It's not possibly to know if you've made a mistake on a tablet whilst typing at a fast speed, so programmers and fast touch-typists are out already.

That's what USB keyboards/docking stations are for. Besides, software development is a niche discipline better suited to 3ghz+ multicore desktop machines, at present at least. In the future though, I'm sure tablets will be able to do that too.
n_K said,

I use an ipod whilst out for casual browsing, but would never use it for anything more than that, if tablets were to overthrow PCs I'd quit computing for good and become a cook or something.

iPOD's have tiny screens. A 10 inch tablet is like a netbook in terms of screen real estate. And even that can be hooked up to a 50 inch plasma via HDMI when you get back home. I think you're underestimating the impact the tablet market is going to have on people's computing habits. Microsoft seems to think so anyway, for if not, why would they go to the trouble of developing metro and ARM support for Windows 8?

Just another typical Apple statement, specifically designed to get reactions.

The desktop computer will never be replaced by tablets. The closest replacement would be AIO computers, bu they're still effectively desktops anyway.

Daedroth said,
Just another typical Apple statement, specifically designed to get reactions.

The desktop computer will never be replaced by tablets. The closest replacement would be AIO computers, bu they're still effectively desktops anyway.

The story does not say anything about 'replaced'

Tablets won't overthrow the PC completely it'll just relegate it a bit, in the past in a non-techy household there may have been two laptops, a desktop PC, etc. Now from what I've seen in happening families share just one PC for when they need Office, etc and each member of the family does 95% of their day to day tasks on their own tablet or phone.

thealexweb said,
Tablets won't overthrow the PC completely it'll just relegate it a bit, in the past in a non-techy household there may have been two laptops, a desktop PC, etc. Now from what I've seen in happening families share just one PC for when they need Office, etc and each member of the family does 95% of their day to day tasks on their own tablet or phone.

Yep, Steve Job's quote about cars vs. trucks comes to mind. Tradition PCs will be around for a long time, especially for people like pro designers, editors, and developers. The average household however is moving away from them.

thealexweb said,
Tablets won't overthrow the PC completely it'll just relegate it a bit, in the past in a non-techy household there may have been two laptops, a desktop PC, etc. Now from what I've seen in happening families share just one PC for when they need Office, etc and each member of the family does 95% of their day to day tasks on their own tablet or phone.

A lot of people like students and business use laptops for their keyboards. Tablets have keyboard stands I know, but I'm wondering if they expect everyone to carry around keyboard stands with them to plug them in on the go.

Also, a lot of people who are not techies use programs like Photoshop (even if just photoshop elements) and use non-console games that demand resources. So if we see the power of tablets increase, maybe..

thealexweb said,
Tablets won't overthrow the PC completely it'll just relegate it a bit, in the past in a non-techy household there may have been two laptops, a desktop PC, etc. Now from what I've seen in happening families share just one PC for when they need Office, etc and each member of the family does 95% of their day to day tasks on their own tablet or phone.

Yup. But everything will change again when ultrabooks are released