Apple Updates MacBook

Apple today updated its MacBook consumer notebooks with faster Intel Core 2 Duo processors, 1GB of memory and larger hard drives in every model. Here's a quick breakdown of the new models with prices listed in US funds:

$1099: 2.0 GHz, 13-inch white MacBook, 1GB RAM, 80GB Hard Drive
$1299: 2.16 GHz, 13-inch white MacBook, 1GB RAM, 120GB Hard Drive
$1499: 2.16 GHz, 13-inch black MacBook, 1GB RAM, 160GB Hard Drive

"The MacBook is a huge hit with customers, and is one of the reasons that Mac sales are growing three times faster than PC sales," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "The new MacBook is faster, has even more memory and storage, and is an ideal notebook for customers' growing library of digital music, photos and movies."

Upgrade options available on the refreshed MacBook's include a 120GB/160GB (5400 rpm) or 200GB (4200 rpm) hard drive and up to 2GB of DDR2 RAM.

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I have a mac and I love it...but only for a few purposes. I have had customers (from my last job) who have bought a Mac, from a recommendation of someone else, and hated it because "it didn't do this or that" like their last computer.

As stated before, I like my mac but it has had some problems, granted its had quite a few less then any Windows machine, but again its because I dont use it the same way I do a Windows box. I wonder how reliable Mac would be if they opened up the way Microsoft has. Or how reliable it would be if it was a used by more people then Windows. My guess it it would be the same or worse.

I think its funny how people say things like "buy a Mac its easier to use" and "Macs are better". Well a mac will only be easier to use if someone isnt used to using a PC in the first place. Also, Macs arent universally better. They have their strong points as well as their weak points (one being the price).

Solidstinch said,
I think its funny how people say things like "buy a Mac its easier to use" and "Macs are better". Well a mac will only be easier to use if someone isnt used to using a PC in the first place. Also, Macs arent universally better. They have their strong points as well as their weak points (one being the price).

very true, your OS is all a matter of personal taste but making hardware more expensive because of the OS thats on it isnt justifiable at all, if Apple could give us a concrete reason why we should pay more for a computer with the exact same parts then maybe mroe people would buy them but so far "Macs are awesome, Windows sucks" hasn't served as a good enough reason (for most people).

black_death said,

very true, your OS is all a matter of personal taste but making hardware more expensive because of the OS thats on it isnt justifiable at all, if Apple could give us a concrete reason why we should pay more for a computer with the exact same parts then maybe mroe people would buy them but so far "Macs are awesome, Windows sucks" hasn't served as a good enough reason (for most people).

Macs are more reliable than PCs (except Lenovo's Thinkpads)...

Even if you're used to using Windows for years, it doesn't mean that you won't enjoy using a Mac more - I've had many of my customers who have switched from Windows to Mac (without me suggesting it) and they've all been very happy (and most are now ex-customers sadly!)...

Sure its not for everyone, but perhaps people should try a Mac for a while before you slag it off...

eAi said,
Macs are more reliable than PCs (except Lenovo's Thinkpads)...

Even if you're used to using Windows for years, it doesn't mean that you won't enjoy using a Mac more - I've had many of my customers who have switched from Windows to Mac (without me suggesting it) and they've all been very happy (and most are now ex-customers sadly!)...

Sure its not for everyone, but perhaps people should try a Mac for a while before you slag it off...

I wasn't arguing about which OS is better and like I said it's personal taste, I like Windows and Linux but I don't like Mac (yes I've used it), whatever, my point was even if OSX is better hardware shouldnt cost more because of the software that runs on it. And I dont see how Macs can be more reliable if most of their parts are exactly the same as PC parts.

$1099: 2.0 GHz, 13-inch white MacBook, 1GB RAM, 80GB Hard Drive
$1299: 2.16 GHz, 13-inch white MacBook, 1GB RAM, 120GB Hard Drive
$1499: 2.16 GHz, 13-inch black MacBook, 1GB RAM, 160GB Hard Drive

Any besides me outraged by these prices?

Agreed, up the ram to 2gb on this THIRTEEN inch wimptop and you basically have the same price as the SEVENTEEN inch Dell which includes Vista Home Premium, 6-8 hours of battery life, more features, same drive, better graphics, etc. etc.

It's a Mac compared to a Dell. What do you expect? (Note: I'm not saying Macs are good and Dells are bad, I'm saying Dell products are some of the cheapest on the market and Macs are some of the most expensive.)

You aren't forced to buy it. Yes it is overpriced, but Apple apparently thinks it can still get its customers at such pricing, so why should you worry for it? And also, there is more to a computer than the specs - system software, industrial design (whether you care or not), etc.

wctaiwan

Heh. Maybe it's off by a good 100 bucks, but still... even if the update isn't THAT big, it's still really worth it. I'm pretty sure they're keeping Core 2 for entry models (like Mac Mini and MacBook) and Santa Rosa for middle-range models (iMac and MacBook Pro).

excalpius said,
Agreed, up the ram to 2gb on this THIRTEEN inch wimptop and you basically have the same price as the SEVENTEEN inch Dell which includes Vista Home Premium, 6-8 hours of battery life, more features, same drive, better graphics, etc. etc.

Seriously? It comes with Vista, which is a detractor for a lot of people. It also comes with a smaller harddrive, a MUCH slower pricessor, slower bus, same ram. Granted it does have a faster video card, which is needed to power the SEVENTEEN inch screen. It does NOT have 6-8 hours of battery life. Based upon reviews, it's less than three, which is less than the Macbook. More features? Like what? That it weights almost double what the Macbook does? And yours is supposed to be a desktop replacement!

Now Macs aren't the end all, be all when it comes to computers, but I just don't see a Dell that compares. Perhaps there's a smaller model I didn't look at that is closer.

Chad said,

Seriously? It comes with Vista, which is a detractor for a lot of people. It also comes with a smaller harddrive, a MUCH slower pricessor, slower bus, same ram. Granted it does have a faster video card, which is needed to power the SEVENTEEN inch screen. It does NOT have 6-8 hours of battery life. Based upon reviews, it's less than three, which is less than the Macbook. More features? Like what? That it weights almost double what the Macbook does? And yours is supposed to be a desktop replacement!

Now Macs aren't the end all, be all when it comes to computers, but I just don't see a Dell that compares. Perhaps there's a smaller model I didn't look at that is closer.

Mac:
2.16GHz Intel Core2Duo
1GB DDR2 Exp. to 3GB
250GB 7200RPM
128mb Nvidia GeFore7300GT
4MB L2 Cache
1FW 400, 1FW 800
Sys Bus 667MHz
Ethernet Only
8X 'Superdive'..
Expansions only available via FW/USB..

HP PC:

2.13GHz Core 2 Duo 6420
2GB DDR2 Exp. to 8GB
640GB 7200RPM HDD
GeFore 7600GT 256MB w/ TV Tuner
4MB l2 Cache
Ethernet
Win Vista Ultimate
Sys Bus: 1066MHz

Then, lets be fair we need a monitor with this pc.., lets pick up a 22" Samsung 225BW,
PC Total + Monitor brings us to: $1799+$319 = $2118
Mac total brings us to: $2250

nX07 said,
Mac:
2.16GHz Intel Core2Duo
1GB DDR2 Exp. to 3GB
250GB 7200RPM
128mb Nvidia GeFore7300GT
4MB L2 Cache
1FW 400, 1FW 800
Sys Bus 667MHz
Ethernet Only
8X 'Superdive'..
Expansions only available via FW/USB..

HP PC:

2.13GHz Core 2 Duo 6420
2GB DDR2 Exp. to 8GB
640GB 7200RPM HDD
GeFore 7600GT 256MB w/ TV Tuner
4MB l2 Cache
Ethernet
Win Vista Ultimate
Sys Bus: 1066MHz

Then, lets be fair we need a monitor with this pc.., lets pick up a 22" Samsung 225BW,
PC Total + Monitor brings us to: $1799+$319 = $2118
Mac total brings us to: $2250

nX07, did you just compare pricing between a desktop and a laptop? Surely that can't be because no body could make that stupid of a comparison.

Mac:
2.16GHz Intel Core2Duo
1GB DDR2 Exp. to 3GB
250GB 7200RPM
128mb Nvidia GeFore7300GT
4MB L2 Cache
1FW 400, 1FW 800
Sys Bus 667MHz
Ethernet Only
8X 'Superdive'..
Expansions only available via FW/USB..

HP PC:

2.13GHz Core 2 Duo 6420
2GB DDR2 Exp. to 8GB
640GB 7200RPM HDD
GeFore 7600GT 256MB w/ TV Tuner
4MB l2 Cache
Ethernet
Win Vista Ultimate
Sys Bus: 1066MHz

You need a little * next to the 2GB DDR2 Exp. to 8GB... Vista, XP, 2000, etc, will not recognize more than 3gig (well, it's like 3.2), due to the limit of the 32bit OS. Vista Ultimate 64bit will, but so far, I've never seen any systems actually shipping with the 64bit version, at least not in retail.

But as the person above me said... thats compairing a notebook to a desktop.
I can toss in this Dell if you want to compare apples to watermellons.
2x 3.20 ghz Xeon
8GB Exp to 32GB
16x 250GB 7200RPM RAID%
Dual GigE Ethernet

But, thats completely different from either of the above, since thats a server system, and not a desktop or notebook...so it has no point now does it?

And yes.. I have one of those in the trunk of my car now...but I'm still getting a Black MacBook..

But, to compare real systems... I'm actually going to be using the MacBook in conjunction with my GW2K MP6954 notebook:
Core Duo T2050 (1.6)
2gig DDR2 (maybe I'll swap the ram around)
Vista Ultimate
15.4in LCD
5hr battery life (8cell)

Why? Because I grew up on Macs, and well, it weighs less, and is easier to fit in a datacenter cabinet to work on stuff.
Plus, Parallels 3 will let me run the Windows software I need to work... and, I dont need it for gaming. Notebooks will never really be as good as desktops for gaming... you can pack in a highend notebook vidcard, but a SLI NV8800 system will still beat it. Notebooks just cant dissipate enough heat to work super highend stuff.

tell me about it... im stuck at 60 GB's :(
(That is the only thing i envy to the new macbooks)

Why not go buy an external HDD? That's what I did for my Compaq. I stuck the 40 gig it came with in an external enclosure. It's not much, but it helps. :-)

I also was stuck with 60GB until I bought a 160GB 5400rpm 2,5" sata disk and an enclosure for the 60GB disk. It costs some money but the extra GBs really make a difference.

icecream said,
I also was stuck with 60GB until I bought a 160GB 5400rpm 2,5" sata disk and an enclosure for the 60GB disk. It costs some money but the extra GBs really make a difference.

I did the exact same thing.

well it is a nice upgrade, it doesn't really make me jealous that i got mine in November when they moved to the core 2's. I kinda wish i had a bigger HD though, 80 gigs kinda sucks.

Google: 1 099 U.S. dollars = 554.490414 UK£

Apple store:

2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive1
Combo drive
Ready to ship: 2 days
Free Shipping
£699.00

I want to know when the UK are going to start seeing equal pricing :\

I am looking to get one for the wife. Not sure if I should wait for the new OS though. This will be much faster than the mini that she has.

"...one of the reasons that Mac sales are growing three times faster than PC sales"
PC = Personal Computer, a MacBook is a ****ing personal computer. There, now I feel better

I think Apple users (as well as the rest of us) understood quite well as to what he was reffering to.

Though your response brought a smirk to my face in picturing you saying it as the fat 'PC' guy in one of those Mac ads.

Thanks for that. Now we both feel better.

PC came from IBM Personal Computer or IBM PC, for example IBM PC XT, IBM PC AT, IBM PCjr.

With the arise of the clones, a PC was by default a IBM machine but a PC Clone for the rest of builders.

And year later, a PC was a denomation for all IBM PC Compatible machine, IBM PC original and clones.

So a MAC can or cannot be a PC compatible, it's compatible if can runs the same applications (nativelly) that a PC original and clone. So if MAC runs windows then MAC is a PC otherwise is just a microcomputer.


I wish people would stop with this bullsh*t.

Yes, a Mac is a personal computer, but when somebody says "PC" to you, you don't think of an iMac, do you?

Matt T said,
I wish people would stop with this bullsh*t.

Yes, a Mac is a personal computer, but when somebody says "PC" to you, you don't think of an iMac, do you?


Yep, I do.